Michael - The Great Album Debate

[SoCav]

Responded to this post in the 'Bieber 'duet'' thread, but it got removed there. Hope it is fine to repost it (with some added stuff) here:

The big issue here is that people are still hung up over Michael. Yes, that album was a catastrophe, but its shortcomings have affected the fans. We can't give any project an objective look without somehow incorporating that album into the discussion.

Allow me to take you all back to 2001. Until the End of Time, the FOURTH posthumous album by Tupac, is about to be released to a storm of controversy; almost every song on the album was remixed from its original master tapes; Tupac was barely present on the album due to so many posthumous "collaborators" making appearances; and rumors suggested that a Tupac sound alike was used on several unfinished songs (although this last point remains undetermined). It remains without a doubt Tupac's worst posthumous album, and has garnered a reputation as one of the worst of all time. Just a few years later, more and more Tupac albums were being released to major success. Why?

Because his fans forgot and moved on. Sure, every once in a while you'd hear someone express worry that a new album would turn out like that, but that was rare. Mostly whenever a new project was announced, fans were happy to hear Tupac's voice, enjoy his raps. Until the End of Time slowly faded into obscurity, and his fans just didn't care about it anymore.

The EXACT same situation applies here, except Michael's fans just can't let go. Michael was the only terrible release the estate ever signed off on (let's be real, the upsides of Vision, Immortal and Bad 25 outweigh the downsides), yet people are consistently worried that history will repeat itself and refuse to give anything an objective look. Timbaland is working on new music? Fans immediately begin calling the next album Michael 2.0 and suggesting that he's working on the Cascio tracks, without thinking about the possibility that he's working on a remix, or even the fact that the song may not even make it to the final track listing.

Someone tell me, if Tupac's fans can go through virtually the same ordeal as we are and learn to forget about the situation, why can't Michael Jackson fans do the same?



If you read this entire rant, I thank you unk:

I do not think the Tupac fans went through the same ordeal, AlwaysThere. If the 'Michael' album had been full of tracks like Hollywood Tonight, remixed but with unquestionably authentic vocals, we would have moved on. People might have debated whether releasing remixes is a good idea or not, whether the remixes were done well or not, etc. just like we do from time to time now. But there is no way that this topic would still be ongoing and have over 2100 pages. The situations are just not comparable, in my opinion. I also disagree that fans have not given later projects an objective look. That they have become more sceptical does not mean that they are unwilling to enjoy a new release.

Also, I think I saw that comment you are referring to about Timbaland working on the Cascio tracks. Not sure who made it, but it came across as just a joke to me.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

So, do we have any idea how these tracks were recorded? The time frames don't really add up. Not to mention these tracks were copyrighted a day after MJ died were they not? I'm interested in discussing this but I feel like everyone else may have discussed it to death on here.

 

[StellaJackson]

So, do we have any idea how these tracks were recorded? The time frames don't really add up. Not to mention these tracks were copyrighted a day after MJ died were they not? I'm interested in discussing this but I feel like everyone else may have discussed it to death on here.

What was registered on June 27th 2009, were the James Porte demo versions. The fact that these were the only versions in existence at the time of Michael's death is, beyond the obvious, supported by the fact that a producer, Angelo Montrone, was given four songs, including to Keep Your Head Up, just weeks prior ro Michael's death that contained vocals by Porte only. He was producing them ready for Michael to record in the UK, despite the fact that Michael had supposedly recorded them 18 months earlier.

The actual versions that we hear now were copy registered in 2010. I believe they were recorded in February, during Jason's "vacation". His vacation ties in exactly with other dates we have.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

What was registered on June 27th 2009, were the James Porte demo versions. The fact that these were the only versions in existence at the time of Michael's death is, beyond the obvious, supported by the fact that a producer, Angelo Montrone, was given four songs, including to Keep Your Head Up, just weeks prior ro Michael's death that contained vocals by Porte only. He was producing them ready for Michael to record in the UK, despite the fact that Michael had supposedly recorded them 18 months earlier.

The actual versions that we hear now were copy registered in 2010. I believe they were recorded in February, during Jason's "vacation". His vacation ties in exactly with other dates we have.

So these songs were actually meant for Michael at one point? Have the Porte demos ever leaked? You believe they were recorded in February 2010? A lot of questions

 

[AlwaysThere]

I do not think the Tupac fans went through the same ordeal, AlwaysThere. If the 'Michael' album had been full of tracks like Hollywood Tonight, remixed but with unquestionably authentic vocals, we would have moved on. People might have debated whether releasing remixes is a good idea or not, whether the remixes were done well or not, etc. just like we do from time to time now. But there is no way that this topic would still be ongoing and have over 2100 pages. The situations are just not comparable, in my opinion. I also disagree that fans have not given later projects an objective look. That they have become more sceptical does not mean that they are unwilling to enjoy a new release.

In my perspective, they did. In both cases: a) tracks on the album were presented in remixed versions that did not reflect the original recordings; b) outside producers and singers, some of which had never even met the artist, were brought in to add additional elements to the recordings, whether it be vocals or production work; and c) it was alleged that a sound alike was used for certain songs. If you add the name Tupac into the above points, then switch it with Michael, they're both true.

But whenever a new project is released, fans can never get through one page without bringing up the Michael controversy. The new album hasn't even been announced yet and already people are saying that it's going to be another Michael. This is NOT an objective look; it's an immediate attack on the estate that suggests that they can't put together a good album. Yes, they screwed up majorly before, but look at it this way: Invincible kinda sucked. Did fans say, "Oh, there's no way Michael will ever do another good album"? No. They said, "I can't wait for Michael's next album!"

 

[ADKIc3mAnX]

In my perspective, they did. In both cases: a) tracks on the album were presented in remixed versions that did not reflect the original recordings; b) outside producers and singers, some of which had never even met the artist, were brought in to add additional elements to the recordings, whether it be vocals or production work; and c) it was alleged that a sound alike was used for certain songs. If you add the name Tupac into the above points, then switch it with Michael, they're both true.

But whenever a new project is released, fans can never get through one page without bringing up the Michael controversy. The new album hasn't even been announced yet and already people are saying that it's going to be another Michael. This is NOT an objective look; it's an immediate attack on the estate that suggests that they can't put together a good album. Yes, they screwed up majorly before, but look at it this way: Invincible kinda sucked. Did fans say, "Oh, there's no way Michael will ever do another good album"? No. They said, "I can't wait for Michael's next album!"

Invincible "kinda sucked"?

 

[AlwaysThere]

Invincible "kinda sucked"?

To many, it did. It's a very underwhelming project overall, especially considering the music on there is supposed to be for the King of Pop. It's not that bad IMO, but you don't generally see that one getting a lot of praise.

 

[SoCav]

In my perspective, they did. In both cases: a) tracks on the album were presented in remixed versions that did not reflect the original recordings; b) outside producers and singers, some of which had never even met the artist, were brought in to add additional elements to the recordings, whether it be vocals or production work; and c) it was alleged that a sound alike was used for certain songs. If you add the name Tupac into the above points, then switch it with Michael, they're both true.

I totally agree that a and b are comparable. You did not mention c in your original post, though, which I think is the crucial issue. Was a sound alike used for Tupac's album and passed off as him? If that's true, then the situations might be comparable. I have never heard of that though. I tried to Google it just now but cannot find any website where that is alleged. Do you, perhaps, have a link to a site or forum where this is discussed?

edit: I now see that it was part of your original post. I did not see that at first, my apologies. I still would like to read some information about it though, if possible!

But whenever a new project is released, fans can never get through one page without bringing up the Michael controversy. The new album hasn't even been announced yet and already people are saying that it's going to be another Michael. This is NOT an objective look; it's an immediate attack on the estate that suggests that they can't put together a good album. Yes, they screwed up majorly before, but look at it this way: Invincible kinda sucked. Did fans say, "Oh, there's no way Michael will ever do another good album"? No. They said, "I can't wait for Michael's next album!"

Well, I do not think this is really a valid comparison either. Firstly, I think there is a critical difference between albums that are released when the artist is alive vs posthumously. In the former instance, you know the artist has given it his blessing. You can debate over whether you like the music, but that's it. As we unfortunately have seen, lots of other issues can come into play with posthumous releases. Secondly, I know there are several fans who think Invincible was MJ's weakest solo album (I would agree), but I do not think most fans thought it "kinda sucked." Most people still enjoyed it tremendously, so of course they are going to be excited for his next album. And finally, Michael had a proven track record. Even if a fan thought Invincible was a terrible release, they could look to all the brilliant albums he created prior to it (which they presumably liked). The only album of unreleased songs the Estate has released prior to the upcoming one is the 'Michael' album. What else can fans base their expectations on?

 

[WhoIsIt89]

You can't say "in your perspective" and then proceed to speak your mind as a fact. You don't think we should be questionable of the Estate after this, thats fine and dandy. However, all of us don't have to share that viewpoint.

I look at it like this, some people can't "let it go", and they have every right to be that way, because the corporates who took over their favorite person's estate tried, yet failed miserably to dupe the same fans that our favorite person cared so much about. And they never went about and offered us any sort of an apology, instead they continued the scam by saying "our tests proved its Michael 100%", yet never released any results, for us, the fans, to see. And when crap was still against the fan, they simply half assed it and said "well we wont put any more of these songs on future albums". Great, they shouldn't have been on an Michael Jackson album in the first place. People have a right to still talk about this due to the level of wrong this whole scenario was including the album itself, ranging from the songs, the credits, all the way down to the album art, all screwups by none other than the big wigs of the estate.

Point is, we have a right to still be skeptical of the Estate, until they show us they can consistently do better, simple as that. And I think it is extremely disrespectful to tell those of us who are still skeptical of the Estate, that we simply need to "get over it and move on."

Good for the Tupac fanbase that they were able to do that. Yet, I know for sure they did it on their own will and not by someone badgering them, telling them they needed to move on.

 

[SoCav]

I look at it like this, some people can't "let it go", and they have every right to be that way, because the corporates who took over their favorite person's estate tried, yet failed miserably to dupe the same fans that our favorite person cared so much about. And they never went about and offered us any sort of an apology, instead they continued the scam by saying "our tests proved its Michael 100%", yet never released any results, for us, the fans, to see. And when crap was still against the fan, they simply half assed it and said "well we wont put any more of these songs on future albums". Great, they shouldn't have been on an Michael Jackson album in the first place. People have a right to still talk about this due to the level of wrong this whole scenario was including the album itself, ranging from the songs, the credits, all the way down to the album art, all screwups by none other than the big wigs of the estate.

This!

 

[Neverland_Valley]

But whenever a new project is released, fans can never get through one page without bringing up the Michael controversy. The new album hasn't even been announced yet and already people are saying that it's going to be another Michael. This is NOT an objective look; it's an immediate attack on the estate that suggests that they can't put together a good album. Yes, they screwed up majorly before, but look at it this way: Invincible kinda sucked. Did fans say, "Oh, there's no way Michael will ever do another good album"? No. They said, "I can't wait for Michael's next album!"

As SoCav pointed out, this comparation is not valid at all. Invincible had Michael's blessing. With "Michael", some people were betraying Michael Jackson instead. "Michael" changed it all. Completely. So it's obvious that people won't simply forget about that and move on. We are not just simply speaking about a bad album here. The Estate isn't trustworthy anymore. Of course fans will always be happy about a good release, but you can't expect them not to be critic about releases, especially if they come from the Estate. In my opinion, the Estate has two possibilities to try to change things:

1) To apologize and to try to repair the damage (for example by removing the album from stores).

2) To prove that the songs are not fake (but in my opinion, they can't prove it)

Only if one if these things happen, a new beginning will be possible.

 

[maviefly]

The Estate isn't trustworthy anymore. Of course fans will always be happy about a good release, but you can't expect them not to be critic about releases, especially if they come from the Estate. In my opinion, the Estate has two possibilities to try to change things:

1) To apologize and to try to repair the damage (for example by removing the album from stores).

2) To prove that the songs are not fake (but in my opinion, they can't prove it)

Only if one if these things happen, a new beginning will be possible.

Exactly! Very well said!

 

[SmoothGangsta]

I agree, but the likelyhood,of this happening is very, very slim.

 

[AlwaysThere]

I'll look up some of the Tupac controversy posts and link them here ASAP!

And finally, Michael had a proven track record. Even if a fan thought Invincible was a terrible release, they could look to all the brilliant albums he created prior to it (which they presumably liked). The only album of unreleased songs the Estate has released prior to the upcoming one is the 'Michael' album. What else can fans base their expectations on?

This is true, and the same tactic can be given to the estate. This Is It: a phenomenal film. Vision: a greatly-packaged, comprehensive box set (albeit with less-than-stellar quality). Immortal: a neat remix album with interesting little easter eggs. Bad 25: a great re-release supplemented by a phenomenal concert performance and a beautiful documentary. The only project released by the estate that has been absolutely terrible has been Michael, whereas the others have ranged from good to pretty great. Fans shouldn't forget completely about the album, but they shouldn't let that one terrible project ruin their trust in the estate.

I look at it like this, some people can't "let it go", and they have every right to be that way, because the corporates who took over their favorite person's estate tried, yet failed miserably to dupe the same fans that our favorite person cared so much about. And they never went about and offered us any sort of an apology, instead they continued the scam by saying "our tests proved its Michael 100%", yet never released any results, for us, the fans, to see. And when crap was still against the fan, they simply half assed it and said "well we wont put any more of these songs on future albums". Great, they shouldn't have been on an Michael Jackson album in the first place. People have a right to still talk about this due to the level of wrong this whole scenario was including the album itself, ranging from the songs, the credits, all the way down to the album art, all screwups by none other than the big wigs of the estate.

I will admit, the estate was stupid for not addressing the issue further. But just look at your post. You're confirming my main point: the only reason some people hate the estate is because of Michael. Yes, the estate screwed that one up big time. But when they come back and release two more quality products in Immortal and Bad 25 (maybe not so much the former, but regardless, it's well put together at least), some people don't want to give these project due credit, they just want to trash Michael and keep reminding us of the estate's one screw up. Of course you have the right to talk about it, but why can't some just give it a rest once in a while and be excited for a new project?

Point is, we have a right to still be skeptical of the Estate, until they show us they can consistently do better, simple as that. And I think it is extremely disrespectful to tell those of us who are still skeptical of the Estate, that we simply need to "get over it and move on."

For some fans, it's not even skepticism. It's a blatant hatred. For example, look at the Justin Bieber leak. Before we knew anything, before statements were made from either party, some fans immediately jumped the shark and said, "The estate did this! Boycott! How could they let this happen?! I hate them even more now!!" Again, this was all before we knew anything about the situation. It's not being skeptical if you won't give anyone the benefit of the doubt when they deserve it. Of course I don't mean you specifically, I mean anyone who does this. And there are people here that do, let's not pretend.

Besides, have you not seen that the estate is doing better, or is at least trying to? Look at the quality of Michael compared to Bad 25. That is a vast change in quality, because we all know that B25 could easily have been as bad as Thriller 25. Also, look at how the estate is allowing people at MJJC to submit product ideas to them. They're at least trying to hear from us, they're at least trying to find out what we want. And if that isn't showing that they're doing better, than I don't know what is.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

In my opinion this is it was a lie, most of the songs were dubbed, it was carefully edited together to make michael look like he was performing well. All to make money from his death, but that's just my opinion.

 

[AlwaysThere]

^^ But in retrospect, a very worthwhile "lie". I adore that film because it allowed the world to experience the magic of Michael Jackson one last time. Most of the songs were dubbed because at times, Michael didn't sing, he just danced. Not to mention that at times he rehearsed with the dubbed vocals. It was edited to make everything seem fine, and I am totally okay with that. How would we have felt if they included footage of Michael acting like he was under the influence of drugs? I wouldn't have even seen the film if I knew that was going to be included.

 

[SoCav]

[long post alert]

I'll look up some of the Tupac controversy posts and link them here ASAP!

Appreciate it, thanks!

This is true, and the same tactic can be given to the estate. This Is It: a phenomenal film. Vision: a greatly-packaged, comprehensive box set (albeit with less-than-stellar quality). Immortal: a neat remix album with interesting little easter eggs. Bad 25: a great re-release supplemented by a phenomenal concert performance and a beautiful documentary. The only project released by the estate that has been absolutely terrible has been Michael, whereas the others have ranged from good to pretty great. Fans shouldn't forget completely about the album, but they shouldn't let that one terrible project ruin their trust in the estate.

I think the main point is what WhoIsIt and Neverland_Valley are saying: trust will never be fully restored until they clear up the 'Michael' album issue. Imagine you have very strong suspicions that a colleague screwed you over or is going along with someone who screwed them over. There are all kinds of red flags, but your colleague denies it, claiming to have proof but never showing it to you. All they do is tell you "hey, it won't happen again in the future." Would you ever fully trust this person again until it was made clear to you what transpired? (I know this analogy is in no way perfect, but I do think it is the same mechanism).

I think the above is the crucial issue. Nevertheless, I do think that the scepticism could have been lower if the Estate had consistently put out excellent products after 'Michael'. But that, in my opinion, has not been the case. Firstly, when it comes to how people form expectations of the upcoming album, I think those other projects are not really valid bases for comparison, because they are not albums of unreleased music. 'Michael' has been the only 'studio album' release thus far, so of course fans would base their expectations for the upcoming album on that. When Invincible came out, people were also basing their expectations of the cd around earlier albums, not, say, the fact that Michael made great videos.

I also disagree with you that the other releases have ranged from good to pretty great. As we mentioned before, the Estate really did not have anything to do with This Is It, they just gave permission for it. They did dig up 'This Is It' (the song), which triggered John McClain to tell Paul Anka (according to Anka), when they found out it was co-written by him: "Now we know why the song was so good." As for Vision: the packaging might look nice, but I buy a dvd for the video on it. Yeah, it was nice that we got One More Chance, but when the majority of the videos are of lesser quality than the versions on dvd's released years earlier, I do not see how it can be considered a good release at all. Immortal is a release many fans do not have a strong opinion about, as it's just a remix album. Me personally, I did not like most of the remixes on it, but I did not have a problem with it either. At least with this album it was made clear that it's a bunch of remixes you're listening to...

Finally, although I enjoyed Bad 25 a lot, I do not think it is an incredible release by any stretch of the imagination. Unnecessary remixes, a more or less worthless live cd (same audio as on the dvd only truncated and mixed even worse), a VHS-quality concert. They did an excellent job on the 6 tracks (thanks to Matt Forger), but there is so much more interesting material they could have given to us. I am not just talking about unreleased songs, even though I think 6 is a rather low amount, but also about things like alternate vocal takes, demos of the songs that made it onto the album (would love to have the early mix of APOM that is featured in Captain EO, for instance), or different mixes (like the original album mixes or extended mixes). This is stuff that would have been very easy to include, and the type of stuff that is regularly included on posthumous releases for other artists. A missed opportunity.

The Bad 25 docu is certainly good (not incredible though) imo, but this was Spike Lee's project. And remember that we were led to believe that we would get an hour of bonus footage on the Blu-Ray, not something particularly special by today's standards, but ended up with no bonus footage at all.

Overall, I think Bad 25 was definitely a step forward, but you can only consider it great if you compare it to the 'Michael' album. And this is an aspect I think you overlook at the moment: you say that fans are not objective because their negative perception of the Michael album immediately causes them to evaluate any new release that comes out unfairly negatively. I am sure there is truth to this to some extent, but as I said, I think there are plenty of other reasons to not think those projects are amazing. The final point I want to make though, is that the opposite happens just as much. I have seen many people say "at least it is better than the 'Michael' album" about new projects or ideas. That is in no way objective either.

 

[SmoothGangsta]

^^ But in retrospect, a very worthwhile "lie". I adore that film because it allowed the world to experience the magic of Michael Jackson one last time. Most of the songs were dubbed because at times, Michael didn't sing, he just danced. Not to mention that at times he rehearsed with the dubbed vocals. It was edited to make everything seem fine, and I am totally okay with that. How would we have felt if they included footage of Michael acting like he was under the influence of drugs? I wouldn't have even seen the film if I knew that was going to be included.

There are many times were he is singing though, and it is dubbed. I agree with you though, I'll just never watch it with that same "feeling" again, you know?

 

[ADKIc3mAnX]

I'm was just wondering how you guys feel about the new Michael Jackson album produced entirely by Timbaland?

 

[Superstition]

Might sell two or three million copies, enough to be deemed a success by the estate, but might be seen as desperate in a few years time. If all they want to do is ship two million albums with every release and have the original versions to release years from now, then they will probably keep doing what they are doing. If they want MJ to be taken as seriously as a songwriter/artist like some other artists of past and present are, then I don't think the remix albums do much good.

I'm not saying they should never remix or update a song, just that I don't see any point in doing it to songs that are mostly complete beyond financial gains. True, the estate needs to make money, but they need to find a way of doing it while enhancing the musical legacy of the artist they represent.

As for Timbaland, I do like a good chunk of his music. Some of it sounds similar, but there's nothing wrong with a producer who has a distinct sound. How his sound will mesh with MJ is anyone's guess, but he has produced music for others I could imagine MJ singing to.

However, the complete absence of any Cascio tracks will, by proxy, make any future release a better album than "Michael".

 

[WildStyle]

Maybe if Michael has one more number one people will finally get over the obsession with it and we can finally get some real exciting releases for the die hards? Not saying this will even be successful or not sales or chart wise. You never know what the teenyboppers will latch on to. And will the props go to MJ or Timbaland? Right now all the focus seems to be on Timbaland. How is that good for Michael's legacy? Anyway, I'm hoping that this is the last of this kind of release for a couple of decades and hoping that when I listen to it, it doesn't piss me off too much.

 

[Arklove]

I'm actually curious to hear it. Hopefully, Timbaland will stay true to MJ's melodies, because I'd like to hear the combination of Timbaland's signature beats with Michael's melodies.

Again, respect MJ's sound while blending his own, and I think I'd be happy

 

[analogue]

In my opinion this is it was a lie, most of the songs were dubbed, it was carefully edited together to make michael look like he was performing well. All to make money from his death, but that's just my opinion.

Some of the songs were dubbed because Michael never sings out and gives it his all during rehearsals. Twice in the movie he says that he's trying to save his voice and if you look back at the Bad and Dangerous Tour rehearsals you'll see that a lot of times he doesn't sing that much. He just sort of mumbles the lyrics.

Also the songs are edited to make Michael look like he's performing well because he always holds back during rehearsals so they had to take the best parts of each rehearsal and edited them together to make it seem more exiting. If there was a theatrical release of the Bad, Dangerous and HIStory tour rehearsals they'd do the same thing with those

Just look at this Smooth Criminal rehearsal from the Bad Tour

 

[SoCav]

Pentum just alerted me to these. Teddy Riley is speaking out about the tracks on Twitter again:

Tweet 1:

@lmSoBlue Dude if you don't leave me the funk alone about this bullish. Funk off ninja...I didn't do the funking song I just mixed it. My work speak for itself. Now go to the funking Cascios. I'm sure they got a twitter. That goes for all of you. I was giving a problem that involved my bestfriend and sign a contract to remix what I had. It was too late for me to turn back so I finished out the project. Now if you want me to apologize for that, yes I'm funkin sorry I did it. Now leave me the hell alone. Ok!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>@lmSoBlue Dude if you don't leave me the funk alone about this bullish. Funk off ninja...I didn't (cont) <a href="http://t.co/9cHC58lnOv">http://t.co/9cHC58lnOv</a></p>&mdash; EDWARD TEDDY RILEY (@TeddyRiley1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1/statuses/373624156375764992">August 31, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Tweet 2:

@popnwill See if everyone would check my timeline when I burst out about the whole Cascio situation then they would leave me alone. I was set up and it will all come out when I book comes. Thats all I can say right now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/popnwill">@popnwill</a> See if everyone would check my timeline when I burst out about the whole Cascio situation then they ... <a href="http://t.co/6S83HcuBCb">http://t.co/6S83HcuBCb</a></p>&mdash; EDWARD TEDDY RILEY (@TeddyRiley1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1/statuses/374416308471083008">September 2, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Tweet 3:

@Trishanth Bro its all good...its the estate thats going against his wishes. Its a political thing right now and true Michael will not bless it. What doesn't go as MJ planned will fail...trust!!! You will see his true fans will not by it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/Trishanth">@Trishanth</a> Bro its all good...its the estate thats going against his wishes. Its a political thing (cont) <a href="http://t.co/uHutnFlEHg">http://t.co/uHutnFlEHg</a></p>&mdash; EDWARD TEDDY RILEY (@TeddyRiley1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1/statuses/374506817029959680">September 2, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[dam2040]

Oh crap.. "set up" pretty sure he knew full well he was working on songs that were not Michael Jackson. This basically confirms it to not be MJ? "Going against his wishes" - mixing fake songs is going against his wishes too mate!

 

[StellaJackson]

Teddy Riley always knew the songs were fake. He was one of the first to speak out behind the scenes but he continued working on them because he needed the job. He can't try to make out he was set up now. Granted, he didn't create the songs, but he still played a part knowing full well that they were not genuine.

It was also not too late for him to turn back. He had every opportunity to stop right from the first day when he received the first track (Burn 2Nite). Shame on him.

 

[Pentum]

Oh crap.. "set up" pretty sure he knew full well he was working on songs that were not Michael Jackson. This basically confirms it to not be MJ? "Going against his wishes" - mixing fake songs is going against his wishes too mate!

Don't know if it confirms it's not MJ. It just makes our side even stronger. I am happy to see Teddy is kind of "switching sides" here.

He has a book coming out which he will talk about the whole Cascio situation. I expect some confessions and some proper explanations.

As I said earlier, this is far from over and the Fiasco boys are not getting away with this. Neither is the sheriff.

 

[Arklove]

When is this book supposed to come out?

 

[SoCav]

When is this book supposed to come out?

Not sure but he has alluded to it before:

(thanks again Pentum!)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/MJeb">@MJeb</a> I will release my book and you will get the truth.</p>&mdash; EDWARD TEDDY RILEY (@TeddyRiley1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1/statuses/332768433454333952">May 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/RichardHope1">@RichardHope1</a> Read my book when it come out. If you really wanna know.</p>&mdash; EDWARD TEDDY RILEY (@TeddyRiley1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1/statuses/332461171624013825">May 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/StellarSoul2001">@StellarSoul2001</a> I can&#39;t wait for y&#39;all to read my book, blog on my website thats in construction, and the great ... <a href="http://t.co/od3KQAGesr">http://t.co/od3KQAGesr</a></p>&mdash; EDWARD TEDDY RILEY (@TeddyRiley1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1/statuses/312718728347402240">March 16, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[SmoothGangsta]

Whoa. Do you guys think he'll reveal all in his book? I hope so.