Michael - The Great Album Debate

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

We all know JAB ME Music, lol. Takes down every video and audio I upload everytime.

Just so you know - youtube has a both automated and manual copyright check system in place. The automated one you have probably already seen it before - when you go to some videos it lists the song in the video. so they can identify the music.

All the copyright owner needs to do is establish their ownership with youtube and then youtube does the rest automatically.

In the manual claims again you establish yourself as the representative of the copyright owner and you email them and they take down the video. and if you have already established your ownership with them they are very fast to respond to such claims.

In short what I'm saying is if they are using the automated system and has a copyright request in place , most of the videos that has parts from their songs will be removed within 24 hours automatically without any need of manually reporting them.

^^^They published the three Cascio Tracks on Michael and are now taking down Malachi Acapella's. Very unusual...

was this "malachi acapella's" being compared to "cascio songs"? If yes then they are probably making claims based on "cascio songs" and not on malachi acapellas.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I thought only the automated one works when the title, tags or description macthes the lists. I never use any tags, description and title that can match these videos. Someone here is reporting them.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I thought only the automated one works when the title, tags or description macthes the lists. I never use any tags, description and title that can match these videos. Someone here is reporting them.

nope they have an identifier system , that has nothing to do with title,tags or descriptions. I used it before see below

YouTube works with rights holders to ensure their material is not being used without permission on our site. To do this, we use proprietary technology to identify unique audio fingerprints within videos uploaded to the site.

If your video uses any music or sound that legally belongs to another person or company, our software may have identified it as content for which you haven't been given all the necessary rights.

The Content ID tool is the latest way YouTube offers copyright holders to easily identify and manage their content on YouTube. The tool creates ID files which are then run against user uploads and, if a match occurs, the copyright holders policy preferences are then applied to that video.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Interesting, I didn't know about that. That's alien technology right there.

Edit: It still doesn't explain how I sometimes uploaded stuff, and it took 1-2 weeks before it was taken down, because I then shared it. While other times, I would upload and share right away and the day after get an infragment.

Anyway, the Mamacita a cappella taken down by JAB ME Music. Only a cappella, nothing else? I say no more.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Automated system doesn't catch everything, especially if the songs are modified to some extent- for example if you overlay 2 songs etc.

the manual copyright claim depends on someone seeing it and making a copyright claim. When you report it asks the name, address and the relationship of the person to the copyright owner - which can be fooled. What I mean is someone could fill out a copyright claim with Jab Me (Porte's) legit information and youtube will act like it's a legit request coming from Jab Me.

ps: what acapella are we talking about, the 2 second one? and can I get the link to the removed copyright notice?

 

[mjjesamor]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So it can identify a track by it's 'unique audio fingerprint' and an acapella of a track solely by Malachi was removed by Jabme music? Interesting

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So it can identify a track by it's 'unique audio fingerprint' and an acapella of a track solely by Malachi was removed by Jabme music? Interesting

if it's that 2 second acapella then it's a manual request because I think the automated program needs at least 30 seconds of audio to be able to identify it.

 

[mjjesamor]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Isn't it strange though that there is no full version of mamacita acapella to be found on youtube?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Interesting, I didn't know about that. That's alien technology right there.

Edit: It still doesn't explain how I sometimes uploaded stuff, and it took 1-2 weeks before it was taken down, because I then shared it. While other times, I would upload and share right away and the day after get an infragment.

Anyway, the Mamacita a cappella taken down by JAB ME Music. Only a cappella, nothing else? I say no more.

Yep, just that two second snippet. There's a poster on here that has the whole thing.

 

[mjjesamor]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I just came across this video of Jason's horrific version of Justin Timberlake's 'cry me a river'. At around 44 seconds in it's like deja vu and for those couple of seconds it's like listening to a cascio track..the parts of breaking news where Jason trys and fails to do MJ's agressive sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5E18MVws8&feature=related

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Some nostalgia, when music was good Ready to dance? Just click and enjoy!

[youtube]UqOkKIdvapg[/youtube]

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I just came across this video of Jason's horrific version of Justin Timberlake's 'cry me a river'. At around 44 seconds in it's like deja vu and for those couple of seconds it's like listening to a cascio track..the parts of breaking news where Jason trys and fails to do MJ's agressive sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5E18MVws8&feature=related

You could fix those parts with "melodyne" and everything will be good. I'd do it and upload the "fixed" version, but don't wanna risk my account being targeting by J.M.R.P (Jason Malachi) or JAB ME Music

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Morphios already did something like that, he made the audio fit BN instrumental. I'll try finding it.

 

[Tony R]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Some nostalgia, when music was good Ready to dance? Just click and enjoy!

[youtube]UqOkKIdvapg[/youtube]

1987-1989 Faith, Bad, Rhythm Nation 1814, Like A Prayer, Introducing The Hardline... Bliss.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Excuse n°1



P¨robably, probably not.



Excuse n°2



Probably, probably not.
Excuse n°3



Probably, probably not.



Excuse n°4



I did, I even provided one of the links. I also provided links with other instances of him and Lenny where their voices was not warmed up at all, they sounded just the way they always sound. That's been completely ignored by the non doubters.



Taryll is a singer too, and on top of that Michael's nephew, so I am pretty sure he understands how unusual his uncle's voice can be, but not that unusual. Maybe he has less skills than you.



Excuse n°5



Complete contradiction with the excuse n°5.



No, we can't.



Excuse n°6

It's so obvious that we have a controversy for over months without any substantial proofs but Eddie claiming he pushed the buttons showing pictures of his empty studio.

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Excuse n°7

From time to time? On all Cascio songs so far he sounds different. That's not what I call from time to time, but a 5/5 perfect match, which means different from all other songs he ever recorded. In other words he always sounds different on Cascio tracks, not from time to time.



Excuse n°8

That was actually all logical reasoning as to why the songs sound the way they do...But alright.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

[...] He could have made so much with his voice but of course through the years it was sounding the same because that was the goal. There was no real goals with these recordings. [...]

That was actually all logical reasoning as to why the songs sound the way they do...But alright.

No comment.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Actually, I assume Topflux meant that MJ's goal in general music was to keep his voice the same instead of experimenting with his voice, whereas there was no goal to the songs in the Cascio tracks at that stage.

... At least that's what I get from that.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Actually, I assume Topflux meant that MJ's goal in general music was to keep his voice the same instead of experimenting with his voice, whereas there was no goal to the songs in the Cascio tracks at that stage.

... At least that's what I get from that.

And how Topflux knows what was/were MJ's goal(s)? To sing songs without warming up? Or in other words if there were no goals the Cascios sold them anyway.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well there probably was no goal in those sessions apart from to get something recorded for future reference. After all, it's believed that MJ would've done some recording in London and it is said that Eddie would've accompanied him, presumably to work and tweak those tracks, using what we have as a guideline.

This is off-topic, but does anyone know if MJ was planning to give out a new album towards the end of "This Is It", like Prince did?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

This is off-topic, but does anyone know if MJ was planning to give out a new album towards the end of "This Is It", like Prince did?

There were rumours, yes.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The excuse about MJ didn't warm up his voice is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. He would do 12 songs with lots of screams (WHY YOU STALKING ME, WHY YOU HUMPING ME, WHY YOU, WHY YOU + + + +) without ever warming up?

Please. And even if he didn't warm up at once, he would sound exaclty the same (I know this has been brought of several times).

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Same old excuses being brought up.

Same old excuses being slapped down.

Round and round we go.

All in the name of Cascio.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well that would've been a good strategy to say the least. If you look on the topic I created in this forum, I said that this album should've been a recreation of what he was planning for a final album, rather than material that they thought should've been on an album. I think we can all agree that "Best of Joy" would've been the only track that had a legitimate chance to be on an album like that, possibly "Hold My Hand" if what the Estate said was true.

Teddy admitted himself that the tracks didn't sound good until he was done with them. I'd say the Cascio tracks are only on "Michael" because of Teddy's work. Although he did hash and slash the vocals, especially the ad-libs at the end of "Breaking News"

 

[Mikaeel101]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Kinda funny how 80% of this thread is made up of people who believe it's Jason.

I've only seen about 3 believers in this entire thread, replying with excuses only to have it get ripped to shreds by other people lol.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well that would've been a good strategy to say the least. If you look on the topic I created in this forum, I said that this album should've been a recreation of what he was planning for a final album, rather than material that they thought should've been on an album. I think we can all agree that "Best of Joy" would've been the only track that had a legitimate chance to be on an album like that, possibly "Hold My Hand" if what the Estate said was true.

Teddy admitted himself that the tracks didn't sound good until he was done with them. I'd say the Cascio tracks are only on "Michael" because of Teddy's work. Although he did hash and slash the vocals, especially the ad-libs at the end of "Breaking News"

Jason Malachi stated himself that if he wanted to sing the way MJ sings, no one could tell the difference. This isn't a detail to neglect. If he believes he would be able to fool waveform analysis softwares, he could indeed fool some people. Yet there'll always be these little somewhat different tiny details that you can't explain what, except actually try to find excuses such as lack of warming up or other PVC pipe excuses.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Eh, I've become too disheartened by this whole mess. I like the Cascio tracks, but I'm not going to make any more "excuses", as many call them. I believe that MJ is singing on them, but I really wouldn't be torn up if there is indisputable evidence that it is an impersonator. For the record, with Malachi songs that I find on YouTube, it's easy to tell it's him, he sounds too boyish when imitating a mature voice (obviously).

Of course, it indisputable evidence did appear, I'm sure someone would take SONY and the Estate to court. I'm surprised the family or some other fans haven't yet.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I believe that MJ is singing on them, but I really wouldn't be torn up if there is indisputable evidence that it is an impersonator.

As a Michael Jackson fan, you wouldn't be 'torn up' if these songs were sung by an impersonator? Wow...

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Eh, I've become too disheartened by this whole mess. I like the Cascio tracks, but I'm not going to make any more "excuses", as many call them. I believe that MJ is singing on them, but I really wouldn't be torn up if there is indisputable evidence that it is an impersonator. For the record, with Malachi songs that I find on YouTube, it's easy to tell it's him, he sounds too boyish when imitating a mature voice (obviously).

Of course, it indisputable evidence did appear, I'm sure someone would take SONY and the Estate to court. I'm surprised the family or some other fans haven't yet.

See the bold part. For those songs, Jason says that he isn't forcing himself at all. He doesn't actually try to sound like Michael, despite the fact that he likes Michael. What he said is that IF he had to imitate it would be even closer to what we all are used to hear on youtube for example.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I mean that I've seen so much over the past few months that I've really grown very "meh-ish" to the whole thing. What I mean is, it wouldn't surprise me.

@Bumper, well in that case, a video of him deeply trying to imitate him will be the evidence needed to take SONy and the Estate to court. I'd imagine that would be very helpful for your side.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I mean that I've seen so much over the past few months that I've really grown very "meh-ish" to the whole thing. What I mean is, it wouldn't surprise me.

@Bumper, well in that case, a video of him deeply trying to imitate him will be the evidence needed to take SONy and the Estate to court. I'd imagine that would be very helpful for your side.

That is the whole point. What if, after all, he did sing the songs on those Cascio tracks? There is no evidence. No video evidence nor any trace from the studio sessions, as if the songs were done in one shot, which I highly doubt.