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Michael Prince & Brad Buxer - Secret Project (Confirmed MJ related - Post #155)

ChrisC said:
With regards point (a), very generous.



It's because the Estate served up the very old and luke warm offering of This Is It, as the first new MJ music release post-death, that we are in this position we are in now - which in my opinion is a general public and media that is fairly indifferent towards new/unheard Michael Jackson songs. They were led up the garden path with silly embargoes and odd promotional videos of security men 'delivering' the song to radio to be met with an average and outdated ballad. Notwithstanding what many perceived as a deceptive attempt to align the song with the movie/concerts.

And then IF there was a second chance, it was once again thwarted with a decidedly MJ-lite Hold My Hand.

What people really wanted was the album that could have been, and what we got was just a jumble sale of odds and ends spanning 30 odd years with the backdrop of several articles questioning the authenticity of those tracks. For fans it was even worse, in which 4 of the 7 new songs had already been heard before - either partially or entirely or a version thereof.

What is the way back from here? Or should I say forward? The Bad tour represented an opportunity in the form of a large scale theatrical release (or at least a quality home release) ie. not a grainy video transfer, as did the Bad 25 documentary. But as we know, circumstances did not work in our favour re: the former and the Estate did not pursue the latter. Either one of those events would have created a splash large enough to cross-promote the Bad 25 set, the films themselves and ultimately Michael Jackson and firmly re-confirm posthumous Jackson releases as commercially significant and deliver them back into the public consciousness.

I guess the only thing left to do is find some great songs. And I mean great.

And sure, I could say 'oh it doesn't matter what the public think' or 'what the critics say or what the charts are doing'. And I'd consume each and every tidbit the Estate throw my way with regards to genuine Michael Jackson work. But I still think his legacy is important and I want to see it given the attention and care it deserves.
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Right on! I will go out on a limb and say we will not hear any previous leaked song with the exception of maybe 1.
 
Renan_Antonio said:
What is the situation regarding RedOne tracks? Has he ever talked about it? He wants to release it?
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RedOne has stated that he is open to releasing the music he has if the money goes to a worthy charity, as he doesn't want to feel that he's making money off of Michael. There are said to be four songs by them, so expect only one at a time so they don't try the RedOne well up too soon.
 
AlwaysThere said:
RedOne has stated that he is open to releasing the music he has if the money goes to a worthy charity, as he doesn't want to feel that he's making money off of Michael. There are said to be four songs by them, so expect only one at a time so they don't try the RedOne well up too soon.
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Oh, thanks for the reply. By any chance do you have a link to a interview of him talking about those songs? I couldn't find anything. Thanks!
 
ChrisC said:
With regards point (a), very generous.



It's because the Estate served up the very old and luke warm offering of This Is It, as the first new MJ music release post-death, that we are in this position we are in now - which in my opinion is a general public and media that is fairly indifferent towards new/unheard Michael Jackson songs. They were led up the garden path with silly embargoes and odd promotional videos of security men 'delivering' the song to radio to be met with an average and outdated ballad. Notwithstanding what many perceived as a deceptive attempt to align the song with the movie/concerts.

And then IF there was a second chance, it was once again thwarted with a decidedly MJ-lite Hold My Hand.

What people really wanted was the album that could have been, and what we got was just a jumble sale of odds and ends spanning 30 odd years with the backdrop of several articles questioning the authenticity of those tracks. For fans it was even worse, in which 4 of the 7 new songs had already been heard before - either partially or entirely or a version thereof.

What is the way back from here? Or should I say forward? The Bad tour represented an opportunity in the form of a large scale theatrical release (or at least a quality home release) ie. not a grainy video transfer, as did the Bad 25 documentary. But as we know, circumstances did not work in our favour re: the former and the Estate did not pursue the latter. Either one of those events would have created a splash large enough to cross-promote the Bad 25 set, the films themselves and ultimately Michael Jackson and firmly re-confirm posthumous Jackson releases as commercially significant and deliver them back into the public consciousness.

I guess the only thing left to do is find some great songs. And I mean great.

And sure, I could say 'oh it doesn't matter what the public think' or 'what the critics say or what the charts are doing'. And I'd consume each and every tidbit the Estate throw my way with regards to genuine Michael Jackson work. But I still think his legacy is important and I want to see it given the attention and care it deserves.
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Agree 100%.
After his death, the whole world was eagerly waiting for TII. Contempory and youth radio (both genres that had ignored MJ for years and years) gave this song premiere promotion and air time only to be let down by a song that was not fit for release as the first posthumous single. It was not the right song. If they had a hit-friendly single it COULD have set the world on fire. For once MJ had everybody on his side but the opportunity was wasted and the media would not be willing to support another MJ song after that.

Hold My Hand got hardly any play at all. Yes it sounded quite modern. Yes, it was nice, but it was mediocre.
Hollywood Tonight was received with even less enthusiasm.

The Michael album as a project with all the authenticity issues didn't help matters.


While the MJ Estate have done well with some things (e.g the TII film, computer games etc) they royally f'ed up the musical opportunity IMO. My only explanation for that is that there really isn't any material available that they can produce good songs that people want to hear and buy. If there was, it would have been on Michael.
 
This Is It was chosen for Michael's debut posthumous single mainly because of it's coincidental title. Personally I love the song; who cares if it sounds a little outdated? It's classic Michael Jackson and it's a beautiful song. All further singles received almost no airplay or television mention. At least, not in the United States. Why? Who knows. Hold My Hand should have charted higher, while the mediocre Throwback Mix of Hollywood Tonight was thrown under the bus where it belongs.

People need to keep in mind that just because there wasn't spectacular music on Michael doesn't mean there isn't any in the vaults. Case in point, Invincible. For the most part fans hate some of the songs that were officially released (Privacy, The Lost Children), but praise songs that were kept unreleased (Escape, The Way You Love Me). I'm sure the Estate rushed to put that one together.
 
AlwaysThere said:
This Is It was chosen for Michael's debut posthumous single mainly because of it's coincidental title. Personally I love the song; who cares if it sounds a little outdated? It's classic Michael Jackson and it's a beautiful song. All further singles received almost no airplay or television mention. At least, not in the United States. Why? Who knows. Hold My Hand should have charted higher, while the mediocre Throwback Mix of Hollywood Tonight was thrown under the bus where it belongs.
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Yes and that was a shocking decision. The song wasn't even called 'This Is It' originally. Didn't the MJ Estate rename the song so that it coincided with the film title? (I forget the original title) What they should have done is released a killer song as the first posthumous single. everybody was waiting and willing to give it a chance and the MJ Estate messed it up. I'm willing to bet that even though it was quite mediocre, HMH would have received much more support and would have been a bigger success if it was the first single instead of TII.


It's common sense that the first posthumous single from any artist should always be one that has the ability to sell to the masses. One that can set radio on fire. TII was not the right kind of song and unfortunately the MJ Estate showed how out of touch they are when they released it. I'm not saying they shouldn't have released TII to coincide with the film at all, but they should have released something else before they released TII.


As I said before, once they let down the radio stations those stations weren't willing to support the next MJ tunes. It will be VERY difficult to get mainstream contempory pop radio to play any new song by MJ now, just as it was before he died. Sure, urban and R&B radio are more forgiving when it comes to MJ, but their listener base is smaller. There was a small window of opportunity to get the attention of those big pop stations and their listeners. It expired minutes after they premiered TII.
 
bobmoo79 said:
There was a small window of opportunity to get the attention of those big pop stations and their listeners. It expired minutes after they premiered TII.
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That's exactly it. The thing is, they didn't even bother releasing it in the end. So they could have given it away with another track or put it on the album or indeed serviced it to radios as a bonus release type effort if they were hell-bent on getting it out there along with the movie and 'soundtrack'.
 
bobmoo79 said:
Yes and that was a shocking decision. The song wasn't even called 'This Is It' originally. Didn't the MJ Estate rename the song so that it coincided with the film title? (I forget the original title) What they should have done is released a killer song as the first posthumous single. everybody was waiting and willing to give it a chance and the MJ Estate messed it up. I'm willing to bet that even though it was quite mediocre, HMH would have received much more support and would have been a bigger success if it was the first single instead of TII.


It's common sense that the first posthumous single from any artist should always be one that has the ability to sell to the masses. One that can set radio on fire. TII was not the right kind of song and unfortunately the MJ Estate showed how out of touch they are when they released it. I'm not saying they shouldn't have released TII to coincide with the film at all, but they should have released something else before they released TII.


As I said before, once they let down the radio stations those stations weren't willing to support the next MJ tunes. It will be VERY difficult to get mainstream contempory pop radio to play any new song by MJ now, just as it was before he died. Sure, urban and R&B radio are more forgiving when it comes to MJ, but their listener base is smaller. There was a small window of opportunity to get the attention of those big pop stations and their listeners. It expired minutes after they premiered TII.
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The original title was I Never Heard. And no, the estate didn't rename it, Michael did. He registered the song under the new title in 1980, a copyright the estate checked in 2009, and "THIS IS IT" was written on the original demo tape John McClain discovered. Personally, I don't think they should have released a big song. The title coincidence was enough, but This Is It is a beautiful song that was released to bring a tear to the fans' eyes. And it did just that. I wouldn't change it for any other song.

This Is It wasn't even meant as the debut Michael Jackson posthumous single; it was meant as a special inclusion for the film. The debut posthumous single WAS Hold My Hand in November 2010.
 
AlwaysThere said:
The original title was I Never Heard. And no, the estate didn't rename it, Michael did. He registered the song under the new title in 1980, a copyright the estate checked in 2009, and "THIS IS IT" was written on the original demo tape John McClain discovered. Personally, I don't think they should have released a big song. The title coincidence was enough, but This Is It is a beautiful song that was released to bring a tear to the fans' eyes. And it did just that. I wouldn't change it for any other song.

This Is It wasn't even meant as the debut Michael Jackson posthumous single; it was meant as a special inclusion for the film. The debut posthumous single WAS Hold My Hand in November 2010.
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I hope we get some news soon. Something to look forward to would be nice. I hope we get some strong material. Not much out there these days except for J.T. His new album is quit refreshing from today's standard.
 
Re: Michael Prince & Brad Buxer - Secret Project (maybe MJ related)

OnirMJ said:
How can you possibly know that?
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I just don't find that sort of coincidence possible in Michael's world. He took his music seriously, how many completely different songs of his do you know with the same title? The only answer would be that either H2O or Water was an early version, and the later, more worked on title was renamed and vice versa. Say the demo was named Water, he worked on it more, then renamed it H2O or whatever. That's the only thing I can see, but since H2O is the only officially registered song from his camp and known producers he worked with, I think that's the only song he made that has to do with Water. The only Water that pops up on registrations is the one registered by Eddie Cascio, which already leaked. And I don't buy anything that comes from that guy.
 
AlwaysThere said:
The original title was I Never Heard. And no, the estate didn't rename it, Michael did. He registered the song under the new title in 1980
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Paul and Michael were working together on "Ive Never heard" in 1982-83, so I don't think it would be the same song Michael registered 2 years prior in 1980. Now the Estate could have mistaken "This is it" reg in 1980 as being the same song as "Iv'e never heard" because of the lyrics "This is it" in the song and because they didn't know what date it was created. I believe thats why in the wiki list of unreleased songs also state its not the same song either. because MJ reg "This Is it" well before MJ and Paul got together to coloborate on "Iv'e never heard"
 
If songs were touched up on a new album would it be possible to get a version of the original song and after it was touched?
 
qbee said:
Paul and Michael were working together on "Ive Never heard" in 1982-83, so I don't think it would be the same song Michael registered 2 years prior in 1980. Now the Estate could have mistaken "This is it" reg in 1980 as being the same song as "Iv'e never heard" because of the lyrics "This is it" in the song and because they didn't know what date it was created. I believe thats why in the wiki list of unreleased songs also state its not the same song either. because MJ reg "This Is it" well before MJ and Paul got together to coloborate on "Iv'e never heard"
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"It Don't Matter to Me" is an another collaboration between Paul & Michael. Paul registered it in 2010 and it is said there that this song was created in 1980.
 
I just hope we will get som official news soon!

Can't wait. :)
 
Yes, I want some damn official news here... Hate waiting for something we don't even know is coming.
 
Probably Not till after this trial and negative energy from it ..I will say a summer announcement if there is anything at all.
plus they are working on promoting Michael Jackson ONE at this time which is close to opening. Timing is important.
Between June 25th and MJ's Birthday would be the best time for peaked interest in any MJ project announcement..
 
^ yeah I agree. Since the trial, the ONE show is starting and CDS about to end there is a lot going on. I mean Michael himself would release an album every year or 3 which in my opinion gets you even MORE excited, MJ fan or not cause you wanna see what he's been doing for the past year. Bad25 just happened and Im glad if they wont be releasing anything until maybe begin 2014. Although I have a very strong feeling they'll be releasing something at the end of this year as there is not much time left for the contract. I want it to be BIG, as I said, so it'd be exciting for MJ's fans or not. Im sorry my enter doenst work on the website for some weird reason so everthing is clumped(?) together:lol:
 
MJ*PP said:
^ yeah I agree. Since the trial, the ONE show is starting and CDS about to end there is a lot going on. I mean Michael himself would release an album every year or 3 which in my opinion gets you even MORE excited, MJ fan or not cause you wanna see what he's been doing for the past year. Bad25 just happened and Im glad if they wont be releasing anything until maybe begin 2014. Although I have a very strong feeling they'll be releasing something at the end of this year as there is not much time left for the contract. I want it to be BIG, as I said, so it'd be exciting for MJ's fans or not. Im sorry my enter doenst work on the website for some weird reason so everthing is clumped(?) together:lol:
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Well if they wait until after the trail or in the fall they will miss the boat again. The shows the estate is putting on is one thing the music is another. The music could be a deterrent from the negativity of the trail. Remember this is his selfish families actions Michael would be disgusted I would think. Songs from Michael with meaning is our only hope. The releases they have came out have each declined in sales from the previous realease. At some point the public stops paying attention to them. Kind of like the Tupac albums. The time is now to regain focus and attention of the world on Michael and his gift that is music. Release the ****ing songs Michael intended to. If the music is good it will sell! You know there are some great songs out there. Only Michael can do this people michaels music it always has a purpose a message send it now estate!
 
Smooth72 said:
Well if they wait until after the trail or in the fall they will miss the boat again. The shows the estate is putting on is one thing the music is another. The music could be a deterrent from the negativity of the trail. Remember this is his selfish families actions Michael would be disgusted I would think. Songs from Michael with meaning is our only hope. The releases they have came out have each declined in sales from the previous realease. At some point the public stops paying attention to them. Kind of like the Tupac albums. The time is now to regain focus and attention of the world on Michael and his gift that is music. Release the ****ing songs Michael intended to. If the music is good it will sell! You know there are some great songs out there. Only Michael can do this people michaels music it always has a purpose a message send it now estate!
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You say the shows are one and the music is another. how? Its all under Michael's name. Maybe the trial is too and that why I wouldnt think it would have a positive outcome other then for us fans who'd buy an album full of unreleased material cause we're the fans here. I even think many fans have given up on him and wont be buying things because of the whole Cascio. Anyway thats not the point. In my opinion to release stuff in the chaos of the trials and everything is one of the biggest mistakes they could ever make. Like I said, no one is going to give it as much attention as it DESERVES other then fans. The Estate just has to stop re re re releasing stuff, even if its an anniversary. Dont make a hundered and one versions of one release, its too much confusion. Simply have to do what they did with the MICHAEL album, except this time, they should spare us none-MJ songs. Btw, I dont think the public will ever stop paying attention to the trials if thats what you were reffering to. So at some point, it just have to be calm, so IF we will ever get an album with unreleased material, it will be a BLOW, that'd blow even all haters away so they wont be even giving a chance to bring up all the other things as it wont have anything to do with at that time.
 
Look. 5 projects until 2017. Estate wont release 2 projects in one year. It 2013 must be new album with unreleased songs.
Keep calm and waiting for it.
Trial? Trust me, public don't care about it.
 
AMG said:
Look. 5 projects until 2017. Estate wont release 2 projects in one year. It 2013 must be new album with unreleased songs.
Keep calm and waiting for it.
Trial? Trust me, public don't care about it.
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Exactly. The only time they did that was back in 2010 with Vision and Michael. They both faired successfully but Michael got much more coverage.
 
MD Prince has just updated his twitter/instagram once again.
In one he posted: 'Another great day in the studio'
In the other: 'Blessed to work with the greatest' & attached a pic of himself with BRUCE SWEDIEN in the studio.
 
This year we'll have an album related to MJ ONE.
We'll also have Bad25 Doc by Spike on BluRay.
I don't think there will be a third release this year.
How should they tie all these things together?
Even ONE & Bad25 is a long shot.. I don't understand why they wait so long to release the doc.

Maybe late (very late) 2013 or early/mid 2014 we'll see some other project emerge to follow up ONE & Bad25.
 
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