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Michael Jackson's Marriage Heartbreak: Lisa Marie Didn't Want Children

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BruceWayne said:
There's always two sides to every story, and most often the truth is somewhere in between.
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totally agree with you

The whole story can be like that [pure imagination
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Michael's side:F*ck her,she betrayed the promise and now she want to get back? I'm not a nut

Lisa's side: Don't want to get back? Fine then.I will trash you in every single interview I'm in

And the truth:Ask god for more details ~
 
To me Michael loved her, he married her, and expected to have children, then all of the sudden she says she doesnt want to, Michael as the sensitive man he was and summ up his whole king status, cause he was like a king, u know kings do what they want to, and if you dont they feel "betrayed" which he WAS, cause she broke the promise, she asked for divorce(dont know why) then she wanted him back so they did it for some time, but he no longer TRUSTED HER to remarry, cause he disbelieved adults , all i know is someone should put in prison to that fake rabbi
 
people people people...
there were so many discussions on that already...

and every situation like that has 2 sides, and they were both emotional about it, which only leads me to conclude that yes, they both loved each other

I see a level of immaturity in both of them... running away from problems, making quick decisions, trying to get attention... but who hasn't been there, if you had been in a relationship? (I certainly was there, immature, many times - every time I learned something new and first in my life)

relationships aren't a miracle

mike was probably expecting something different than he got, but he had difficult relationships patterns all his life, didn't really have a place to learn much I think... plus the position he was in, he probably viewed the world in much different way than most of us...

lisa, as far as I understood, was much in love with him, but then started noticing problems, more and more and this is when she decided she doesn't want a child at that specific stage, cause she was afraid of the battle in the court - NOT before...
I didn't get an impression she was getting into this marriage with her mind set on not having kids, quite the opposite, that she was trying to be very close to him and support what he was doing

anyway the truth is only between them, and to be honest I do believe they ended up seeing the situation completely differently, this happens to people after they break up, so ... there's 2 truths in their minds... we will never know
 
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LMP simply lied to Michael. When MJ realized that she doesn’t want children he could not trust her anymore as a wife, as a partner. He was feeling betrayed and was not confident with this relationship. This is what kind of person MJ was. He never came back to a person he couldn’t trust. I am kind of the same, I understand why MJ did it. However I feel sorry for LMP. I think she loved Michael and she realized finally what a bad thing she have done but it was too late.. Michael wasn’t the one who could change his mind at this point.
 
Limonali said:
people people people...
there were so many discussions on that already...

1)and every situation like that has 2 sides, and they were both emotional about it, which only leads me to conclude that yes, they both loved each other

2)I see a level of immaturity in both of them... running away from problems, making quick decisions, trying to get attention... but who hasn't been there, if you had been in a relationship? (I certainly was there, immature, many times - every time I learned something new and first in my life)

3)relationships aren't a miracle
mike was probably expecting something different than he got, but he had difficult relationships patters all his life, didn't really have a place to learn much I think... plus the position he was on, he probably viewed the world in much different way than most of us...
lisa, as far as I understood, was much in love with him, but then started noticing problems, more and more and this is when she decided she doesn't want a child at that specific stage, cause she was afraid of the battle... I didn't get an impression she was getting into this marriage with her mind set on not having kids

anyway the truth is only between them, and to be honest I do believe they ended up seeing the situation completely differently, this happens to people after they break up, so ... there's 2 truths in their mind... we will never know.
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1)I never doubted they were in love

2) The 2 were inmature, like really really inmature

3) Michael always expected perfection
 
asedora said:
lmp simply lied to michael. When mj realized that she doesn’t want children he could not trust her anymore as a wife, as a partner. He was feeling betrayed and was not confident with this relationship. This is what kind of person mj was. He never came back to a person he couldn’t trust. I am kind of the same, i understand why mj did it. However i feel sorry for lmp. I think she loved michael and she realized finally what a bad thing she have done but it was too late.. Michael wasn’t the one who could change his mind at this point.
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totally agree
 
I wish we could all calm down a little.

All I can say is that sometimes, when you love someone and they betray you in a way that hurts you very deeply, something shifts and the love changes. And sometimes it doesn't matter how much that person apologizes, how regretful they feel, or how badly they want to change things - that shift has already happened, and something inside has already been broken. There is a scar there that prevents you from being able to feel the same way towards that person again.

I can understand why some may see Michael as cold, but I also completely understand why he would have a hard heart after such a betrayal.

I am not about to choose a side and fight over this issue, because
a) I don't think it's respectful to gossip about relationships in such a hostile way
b) We do not know all the facts. We weren't there. It's just not productive.
c) Love is such a complex thing. Everyone experiences it differently, and I think it's unfair to crucify people for their actions without trying to understand where they are coming from.

I know we all want to understand what happened, because it makes us feel closer to Michael when we are able to understand his life better, but there's no need to argue or start fights. Besides, he wouldn't want that.



Anyway, that's just my two cents.


EDIT: I also want to say that it upsets me when I see people starting fights with others who point out a flaw they believe Michael may have had. Don't get me wrong, I loved him, he changed my life - but the man was not a god. He was a human being, and all human beings have flaws. Don't put him on a pedestal and pretend he was perfect. That's just crazy.
 
You know that, after divorce Debbie was pregnant, and Lisa didnt know that.
Even he loved her, and desperately wanted to be with her again, then his situaition exludet it
 
littlesparrow said:
I wish we could all calm down a little.

All I can say is that sometimes, when you love someone and they betray you in a way that hurts you very deeply, something shifts and the love changes. And sometimes it doesn't matter how much that person apologizes, how regretful they feel, or how badly they want to change things - that shift has already happened, and something inside has already been broken. There is a scar there that prevents you from being able to feel the same way towards that person again.

I can understand why some may see Michael as cold, but I also completely understand why he would have a hard heart after such a betrayal.

I am not about to choose a side and fight over this issue, because
a) I don't think it's respectful to gossip about relationships in such a hostile way
b) We do not know all the facts. We weren't there. It's just not productive.
c) Love is such a complex thing. Everyone experiences it differently, and I think it's unfair to crucify people for their actions without trying to understand where they are coming from.

I know we all want to understand what happened, because it makes us feel closer to Michael when we are able to understand his life better, but there's no need to argue or start fights. Besides, he wouldn't want that.



Anyway, that's just my two cents.


EDIT: I also want to say that it upsets me when I see people starting fights with others who point out a flaw they believe Michael may have had. Don't get me wrong, I loved him, he changed my life - but the man was not a god. He was a human being, and all human beings have flaws. Don't put him on a pedestal and pretend he was perfect. That's just crazy.
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I agree
but about the edit part I don't think that I was trying to make him out to be a flawless god but I don't like it when ppl are judgmental about something or someone that they don't even know anything about
we should know better than to believe everything we read esp from that rabbi
 
Lisa could have made Michael happy. She could have had children for him. If she really loved, would have done. She must have repented long after, but it was too late to turn back. After the divorce she did not say very nice things and set out Michael in the media. That was terrible. So, I do not like it.
 
xXMJJXx said:
I agree
but about the edit part I don't think that I was trying to make him out to be a flawless god but I don't like it when ppl are judgmental about something or someone that they don't even know anything about
we should know better than to believe everything we read esp from that rabbi
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Yeah, definitely.
I wasn't talking about you in particular, by the way, just something I keep noticing in all threads pertaining to these tapes.
 
ashtanga said:
Lisa could have made Michael happy. She could have had children for him. If she really loved, would have done. She must have repented long after, but it was too late to turn back. After the divorce she did not say very nice things and set out Michael in the media. That was terrible. So, I do not like it.
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We must try to understand her why she spend "some angry years at the whole situation"....
 
hey are any of these so called journalists gonna call this rabbi out on his money scam?!?!?!?

fuck journalists.

(sorry)
 
littlesparrow said:
Yeah, definitely.
I wasn't talking about you in particular, by the way, just something I keep noticing in all threads pertaining to these tapes.
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yea I know it wasn't me in particular but I just wanted to make that clear
and I don't see anything wrong with what MJ was saying in those tapes it just shows a more human side to him
I think what the rabbi is doing with them is what is getting ppl all worked up about the whole thing
 
Really makes you wonder what would have/could have been had they stayed together :(. I always liked them together when they were married.
 
The Rabbi wants just to make money of MJ. He isn´t a friend!

But to hear MJ saying these things breaks my heart. If one human being was deserving a happy life it was MJ. He gave love to all of us but his close friends like Lisa etc. they didn´t not gave him much love back.
 
My 2 cents:

Love has its many stages, the first being passionate love.

There is no doubt that Michael and Lisa Marie loved each other, passionately and fervently.

The problem with this stage of love is that it can get volatile. Michael with his passive aggressive ways, Lisa with her volcanic impetuousness is a disaster in the making.

The only way love can survive the passionate stage is by both sides COMPROMISING, which they both did not do.

Many misunderstandings & missed cues here.

Lisa Marie decided to divorce Michael, in spite of the love she still felt for him.

Michael obtained what he wanted, in spite of Lisa Marie's decision to wait and the love he felt for her.

And I do feel badly for Debbie Rowe, because she got caught up in all this. But she also made the decision to bear MJs kids KNOWING MJ still loved Lisa Marie - and vice versa.

So in essence, the culprit of Michael & Lisa Marie's issue is not one or the other, but BOTH of them.

And that's my 2 cents.
 
littlesparrow said:
I am not about to choose a side and fight over this issue, because
a) I don't think it's respectful to gossip about relationships in such a hostile way
b) We do not know all the facts. We weren't there. It's just not productive.
c) Love is such a complex thing. Everyone experiences it differently, and I think it's unfair to crucify people for their actions without trying to understand where they are coming from.

I know we all want to understand what happened, because it makes us feel closer to Michael when we are able to understand his life better, but there's no need to argue or start fights. Besides, he wouldn't want that.
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totally agree with you.
 
There is no doubt that Michael and Lisa Marie loved each other, passionately and fervently-------- Oh please, no they did not, if so, LMP would have children with him, they would have lived together and it would have lasted longer than a year along with other things. Anyway, I think everyone has their own views of this relationships and what is the big now. Michael is gone, LMP has been married Twice since this and has twins with her new husband. What is the point of dwelling on this now? None. Michael is now with God and he is getting the love he deserves.
 
we all should remember that nobody's perfect. people make mistakes in their lives and Michael and Lisa were no exception. I am sure they loved each other, but for some reasons they couldn't keep their marriage. What's done is done and it's all in the past. And we are left to wonder what if. There are so many "what if's"...
 
terrell said:
There is no doubt that Michael and Lisa Marie loved each other, passionately and fervently-------- Oh please, no they did not, if so, LMP would have children with him, they would have lived together and it would have lasted longer than a year along with other things. Anyway, I think everyone has their own views of this relationships and what is the big now. Michael is gone, LMP has been married Twice since this and has twins with her new husband. What is the point of dwelling on this now? None. Michael is now with God and he is getting the love he deserves.
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You clearly did not read what I wrote.

When passions rule someone, they are as stable as a lava flow. It's hot, but has a tendency to be destructive because it's gonna go where it wants to go, regardless of what anybody else thinks.

I say this as a person who's loved, lost, lived to tell about it and learned.
 
kathiejmie said:
we all should remember that nobody's perfect. people make mistakes in their lives and Michael and Lisa were no exception. I am sure they loved each other, but for some reasons they couldn't keep their marriage. What's done is done and it's all in the past. And we are left to wonder what if. There are so many "what if's"...
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You have right. I agree with you with 100%.
 
Draliongirl said:
Dont be all bad at Lisa, that means she really loved him
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yeah, blame it on Michael instead like always, Michael the immature child who turned out to be the best father among all of those so called mature people. Geez
 
..wow.
Lisa was a fool if you ask me...So Michael divorced Lisa or Lisa broke up with him?I cant understand..

Lisa is very strong and powerful,I never though she would do that kind of thing..to hang out with his mom just to be close to him and to beg him to come back in her life by giving him NINE children...Lisa actually said that she spent years obsessed about him..wow.It means that she really loved him.
 
terrell said:
Oh please, LMP had her own agenda. Yes, she might have cared for Michael but I do not believe they were in love like a husband and wife should be. As for the children thing,that prove it to me even more. LMP had children, Michael did not. WHy marry a man whom you KNOW loved children, wanted children if you did not intend to have any (funny now that she was 40 and had TWINS for her new husband and Priscilla knew about him when she married him but NOT about Michael and the same with Michael whom Jacksons did not know about and Michael LOVED his mother and told her everything when it come to women but not LMP)
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I always thought he was infatuated with her like a little kid without knowing who she really was, and he took SO much crap from her. I never had any respect for Lisa, from the moment I saw her talking on the Prime time interview, the interview was cringeworthy, it was so embarrassing to watch she's the least articulate person I've ever seen
by the way if anyone wants to see what Lisa and her mom had to say about Michael while he was on trial you can see it here :trish:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8TZGPCWR
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NTZL0FRR
 
I think they loved each other very much.
1. but from his side ,he wanted children .it was about time ,he was in his late 30es.
2.she wanted to wait
3.they had their own reasons.
At least they were happy for sometime ,that's what matters.
LIFE IS NOT PERFECT.
 
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