Michael Jackson's Dad to be Deposed

[ivy]

But they cant do that because that is going against Michael request which is the point of the Will. If Michael wanted to give Joe money he would have said so in the Will. It doesnt say, "If Branca feels like it." Branca would then be going against the law and not abbiding by the Will. Only a Judge can overturn any decision in a Will.

Somethings not right here. My Spidey sense's are tingling! lol

is there anytime / anything that doesn't make your Spidey senses tingling ? :cheeky:

As Joe filed a lawsuit which the judge did not reject, they can choose to settle/come to an agreement before a judge/jury makes a decision. They can do it, it is legally acceptable. Or they can have their day in court and let the judge decide.

Most people here on MJJC are saying that Joe is only in it for the money.

so if joe does not want money why did he file the allowance lawsuit? He already has a separate one for the validity of the will and executors.

You're example is contradictory w/ Anna Nicole as the same could be said for Joe.

I think Joe as the father has a more valid legal argument for allowance than a 20 something bimbo that marries a sick 98 year old man. but hey that's just me. if you believe they are one and the same, be my guest.

I dont believe joe is going to give up his fight for justice (will)for michael and just take the money.

and he doesn't have to, as they are separate lawsuits. He can take an allowance and still pursue the will lawsuit.

There is a reason joe wanted all these documents and the most recent one was the records from the hospital that are included in this case

Hospital documents is separate request that has already been granted by the judge with some rules. that's done and over. That's not dependent on this allowance request or the will validity lawsuit.

This article states that joe is meeting with the lawyer's of the estate then on aug 1st is the court date, and according to majestic joe was looking to see the response he would get about the money and said joe did not want the money and turn it down,

If this is the case he can withdraw his allowance request. but Oxman says different stuff than Majestic. Oxman goes around saying that Joe was dependent on Michael and deserves an allowance. Majestic might want to give a call to Oxman.

ps: for Joe's wrongful death suit against Murray, you would want him to be found dependent on Michael.

side note: sometimes I cannot understand what you believe / support.

 

[marc_vivien]

This article states that joe is meeting with the lawyer's of the estate then on aug 1st is the court date, and according to majestic joe was looking to see the response he would get about the money and said joe did not want the money and turn it down, There is a reason joe wanted all these documents and the most recent one was the records from the hospital that are included in this case

Concerning the Will challenge, the judge said : NO STANDING

The 26 may hearing is about the family allowance and only the family allowance, nothing else. Joe/oxman can not use this hearing to contest the will/executors.

the hospital records are about the lawsuit against Murray. I don't see how they can these docs against the will/executors. They obtained the docs on June 25 and UP.

Like Ivy said, if it was only about the Will, why do they pursue this family allowance lawsuit?
Majestik is really clueless. Joe just wanted more money for his lifestyle and the lawsuit against Murray : he has to pay Oxman.
In a motion, Oxman said the estate refused to file a lawsuit against Murray in Joe's name.

At the same time, Joe is saying the Will is invalid and want the executors to give him a family allowance or to file a lawsuit. It's
contradictory.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

is there anytime / anything that doesn't make your Spidey senses tingling ? :cheeky:

Well when there were so many untrust worthy people around Michael in life, I highly doubt its going to be any different in death. In fact it would and is worse. No Michael isnt there to stop people from trying to get his money.

so if joe does not want money why did he file the allowance lawsuit? He already has a separate one for the validity of the will and executors.

Because he has an agenda that we dont know about. We dont know all the info the Jacksons do and we dont know what their plan of attack is.

I think Joe as the father has a more valid legal argument for allowance than a 20 something bimbo that marries a sick 98 year old man. but hey that's just me. if you believe they are one and the same, be my guest.

If thats the case then why have the Estate been such a brick wall re every decision the Jackson's have need the estates approval of? Why isnt the Estate assisting the Jacksons re death investigation instead of being a hindrance? Because they have an agenda also.

Hospital documents is separate request that has already been granted by the judge with some rules. that's done and over. That's not dependent on this allowance request or the will validity lawsuit.

Hospital documents are for the wrongful death suit.

side note: sometimes I cannot understand what you believe / support.

Thats find because we're not pleading our case to just you but to everyone who wants to not just accept what we're told a face value. Ive learnt from Michael not to believe everything the media says, especially in death. Its even more absurd.

 

[marc_vivien]

Because he has an agenda that we dont know about. We dont know all the info the Jacksons do and we dont know what their plan of attack is.

His agenda is simple. He needs standing to file this lawsuit against Murray. To have standing, he needs to proove that he was dependent. If he prooves that, he will get his family allowance and the estate will pay his legal expenses against Murray.

 

[Moulin Rouge]

None of his kids should have to to give him money but usually when parents get older the children take care of them. Of course the jackson case is different since michael was the main source of income since he was a child so it can be argued that it's the other kids turn to take care of their father. I don't think any of us have been in the position of having a multi-millionare brother/son so it's hard to judge the current jackson predicament.

We know joe isn't in the will but we don't know the conversations about support that he and michael had. Michael could have been aware that whatever he left his mother she would give some to his father. Also allegedly joe had been offered money by the etstae but he wanted more. I think that is greedy and he wrong, he doesn't need that much money to survive but whatever.I think all the kids should equally support their father but If joe can prove michael was his main source of income then it should continue.

 

[twinklEE]

Janet JAckson has millions to her name she can go and support her father after all we don't know the conversations about support SHE might have had with them. She probably even set up accounts for them, and talk to each leeching member that she'd take care after all she could still be having conversations about support with them. She is a multimillionaire who is well capable of taking care of her old father and many relatives. She might have even talked about it. She probably even set up accounts for 5/6/7/8/9/10th generation of Jackson's who are still to be born. We don't know what she might have offered, maybe she was hit by lightening and figured its macabre for a dead man to take care of a whole tribe of Jackson she might have had conversations with them she should do something. I'm sure Janet had conversations about support we just dont know she should step up since she is able to support and healthy. I'm sure she had conversations about support with them. She\s the 7t richest woman showbiz she for sure had conversations about support with them including joseph

I really hope none of u disrespect and ignore the wills of ur own relatives the way u guys purposely chose to ignore facts, chose to see what u wanna see, if the fact that certain folks were not included in the will pain u guys so much start donating ur own money to them

 

[CherubimII]

I'm sure she had conversations about support with them. She\s the 7t richest woman showbiz she for sure had conversations about support with them including joseph

I really don't think Janet will be giving a dime of her money to Joseph or any other member of her family (with the possible exception of Katherine).
Don't you remember that Janet Janet requested that the Michael Jackson Estate
(that would be Prince, Paris, and Blanket) pay her back for evey penney she spent making sure all of her relatives had cloths to wear, and a ride to Michael's funeral?

 

[ivy]

His agenda is simple. He needs standing to file this lawsuit against Murray. To have standing, he needs to proove that he was dependent. If he prooves that, he will get his family allowance and the estate will pay his legal expenses against Murray.

couldn't say it better.

 

[ASIS]

:lol: I thought the title read " Michael Jackson dad to be disposed" and I was like WTF!!

ahem... aaanyway I don't think Joe should get the money,but it's cool if he did. He is the father after all.

 

[max000]

I have issues with joe, but i have zero problems with JOE getting an allowance from his son's estate.

Put yourselves in JOE'S shoes. He started the J5. Now he has to step aside and watch all these johnnies come lately grab a chunk of his son's massive estate. I am sure it pisses him off to no end.

I support the estate executors 100%. They are performing extraordinarily well. I shake my head at the millions in fees going to the law firms.

 

[twinklEE]

I have issues with joe, but i have zero problems with JOE getting an allowance from his son's estate.

Put yourselves in JOE'S shoes. He started the J5. Now he has to step aside and watch all these johnnies come lately grab a chunk of his son's massive estate. I am sure it pisses him off to no end.

I support the estate executors 100%. They are performing extraordinarily well. I shake my head at the millions in fees going to the law firms.

Get a life, Joseph is has a multimillinaire daughter in the house who is ALIVE who is fully able support her darling father. Joseph was not included due to reason how come Michael had no problems to take care of his mother, Joseph beat the shyte out of Michael to escape poverty knowing very well he was not able to live the life he was longing as his own talent is non existing or limited.

 

[blueocean]

Concerning the Will challenge, the judge said : NO STANDING

The 26 may hearing is about the family allowance and only the family allowance, nothing else. Joe/oxman can not use this hearing to contest the will/executors.

the hospital records are about the lawsuit against Murray. I don't see how they can these docs against the will/executors. They obtained the docs on June 25 and UP.

Like Ivy said, if it was only about the Will, why do they pursue this family allowance lawsuit?
Majestik is really clueless. Joe just wanted more money for his lifestyle and the lawsuit against Murray : he has to pay Oxman.
In a motion, Oxman said the estate refused to file a lawsuit against Murray in Joe's name.

At the same time, Joe is saying the Will is invalid and want the executors to give him a family allowance or to file a lawsuit. It's
contradictory.

I see joe as someone that will give these executors the blues cause he believe they had a hand in michael death and then profiting of his son in many ways, I dont see joe as someone that will be ok with taking the money and just go away. joe will fight these executors just like majestic said he will leave no stone unturned. for justice for michael, joe is michael father. even if the court did rule no standing (will) joe is fighting in other ways!

 

[dianadebraga]

Katherine has NO problems with Will, executors:

Lawyer for MJ's Mom: I Knocked Oxman Out!
Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Adam Streisand, has really come out swinging today. He's scoffing at Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, who filed legal papers last week attempting to get back into court to challenge Michael Jackson's will. Streisand says, "It was a first round knockout and there's no getting up from it."

Oxman claimed the will was a forgery and the executors were unfit. The judge in the estate case begged to differ so Oxman is going to the Court of Appeal. To that, Streisand says, "Oxman is going to need more than smelling salts and a new panel of judges to resuscitate his client's surprise attack."

Here's his best line: "As far as I've been told, '2012' is just a fantasy."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/17/kathe...chael-jackson-will-joe-jackson/#ixzz0nRxbjt8k

 

[marc_vivien]

I see joe as someone that will give these executors the blues cause he believe they had a hand in michael death and then profiting of his son in many ways, I dont see joe as someone that will be ok with taking the money and just go away. joe will fight these executors just like majestic said he will leave no stone unturned. for justice for michael, joe is michael father. even if the court did rule no standing (will) joe is fighting in other ways!

majestik is saying thngs opposite to Oxman/Joe's actions

 

[trueiopian]

yep, like his millionaire daughter Janet...what the hell does she do with her money??

and who told you that she would give Joe or any of her siblings any of her money? :lol: Janet is smart with her money.

Reason why you will NEVER read in some magazine that she's going broke

I really don't think Janet will be giving a dime of her money to Joseph or any other member of her family (with the possible exception of Katherine).
Don't you remember that Janet Janet requested that the Michael Jackson Estate
(that would be Prince, Paris, and Blanket) pay her back for evey penney she spent making sure all of her relatives had cloths to wear, and a ride to Michael's funeral?

Lies!

Source!?

 

[Memefan]

A monthly 'check'? Isnt it supposed to be 'cheque'?

They cant even spell correctly.......

**Death***

It is spelled correctly. In North America, it is spelled "check"

 

[twinklEE]

**Death***

It is spelled correctly. In North America, it is spelled "check"

:lol: Makes ya question some folks IQ's on this board lol

 

[dianadebraga]

and who told you that she would give Joe or any of her siblings any of her money? :lol: Janet is smart with her money.

Reason why you will NEVER read in some magazine that she's going broke



Lies!

Source!?

you should do a search on TMZ

and

I think Janet was so smart she would not let a guy like Oxman speak on her behalf...

 

[xthunderx2]

I really don't think Janet will be giving a dime of her money to Joseph or any other member of her family (with the possible exception of Katherine).
Don't you remember that Janet Janet requested that the Michael Jackson Estate
(that would be Prince, Paris, and Blanket) pay her back for evey penney she spent making sure all of her relatives had cloths to wear, and a ride to Michael's funeral?

yes Janets actions surprised me.. I did not expect that from her of all people. My sister passed away and my brother paid for the WHOLE thing...casket..cometary...everything...and he is not rich...he NEVER asked for anything in return....sad the way some people are ..they have to get every dime back.

 

[trueiopian]

you should do a search on TMZ

and

I think Janet was so smart she would not let a guy like Oxman speak on her behalf...

:hysterical:

TMZ!?! Last time I checked they said that Janet paid out of her pocket for the funeral but never asked for her money back so you #FAIL with that and second when did Janet let Oxman speak on her behalf!? :mello: Let me guess you got this from tabloid site, huh?

 

[twinklEE]

:hysterical:

TMZ!?! Last time I checked they said that Janet paid out of her pocket for the funeral but never asked for her money back so you #FAIL with that and second when did Janet let Oxman speak on her behalf!? :mello: Let me guess you got this from tabloid site, huh?

Would u ask for ur money back ir u were to pay for a part of ur siblings funeral expenses? That's the least thing people with dignity and self respect can do. Janet didn't ask for her money back but according to court papers the estate did reimburse her she got back her 49k she had to spent. It was dead Michael who paid for those relatives clothing, they couldn't even buy their own goddman clothes to wear for his funeral. (Not Janet the rest). All this was made public in court

 

[trueiopian]

Would u ask for ur money back ir u were to pay for a part of ur siblings funeral expenses? That's the least thing people with dignity and self respect can do. Janet didn't ask for her money back but according to court papers the estate did reimburse her she got back her 49k she had to spent. It was dead Michael who paid for those relatives clothing, they couldn't even buy their own goddman clothes to wear for his funeral. (Not Janet the rest). All this was made public in court

Because the estate said they were going to pay for it!! Hello!?! Janet paid 49K right out of her pocket on the spot because no one else was going to pay for MJ's funeral!

Y'all are always reading too much into things. Janet never asked for 49K back. :lol: Ch.. that is pocket change for Janet. But the estate gave it to her because they paid for the funeral instead. So yea

 

[xthunderx2]

I just have one question...and I am being sincere in this question....Isn't the estate Michael? ....So when people say that estate paid her back and bought the clothes for everyone..doesn't that mean that Michael because HE is the estate..he made all teh money so there could be an estate...doesn't that mean that Michael paid her back?....because after all it IS ALL Michael's money..which now belongs to his children. Am I correct on this?

 

[twinklEE]

I just have one question...and I am being sincere in this question....Isn't the estate Michael? ....So when people say that estate paid her back and bought the clothes for everyone..doesn't that mean that Michael because HE is the estate..he made all teh money so there could be an estate...doesn't that mean that Michael paid her back?....because after all it IS ALL Michael's money..which now belongs to his children. Am I correct on this?

Yes a DEAD MICHAEL JACKSON bought the clothes for his relatives (except for Janet) so that they'd have something fancy to wear while attending his funeral

 

[xthunderx2]

Yes a DEAD MICHAEL JACKSON bought the clothes for his relatives (except for Janet) so that they'd have something fancy to wear while attending his funeral

Thank You Twinkee for your reply.. I dont know about estates but I do when people are grubbing off of other...and I dont mean Janet.

 

[ivy]

thread cleaned - please no arguing between the members and remember this thread is about Joe being deposed (not about Janet).

and please use smaller fonts. It's not nice to "shout" in messages and we have eyes , we can see and read normal fonts.

 

[dupsy]

I just dont understand why michael should also be responsible for joe's allowance,he had 9 other kids including vonnie for christsake.cant the others offer some help?why does it always have to be MJ.

 

[dianadebraga]

:hysterical:

TMZ!?! Last time I checked they said that Janet paid out of her pocket for the funeral but never asked for her money back so you #FAIL with that and second when did Janet let Oxman speak on her behalf!? :mello: Let me guess you got this from tabloid site, huh?

In a interview of Oxman in Fox after contract Cirque de Soleil and Julien's auction by his relatives.

Oxman says the Michael Jackson Estate is working for them (executors) is not for the family (ALL the Jacksons), Oxman used A LOT the word "WE" as if he were one member of Jackson Family e he had to be in control the Michael Jackson Estate. He said he was speaking on "behalf of La Toya and Janet" Jackson.

This video is posted in a topic in this section 2300 Jackson Street

I do not know if you've seen him speak, but Oxman, proudly, loves talking that took care of Jacksons siblings's divorces, which I believe includes Janet, no?

 

[dianadebraga]

I just dont understand why michael should also be responsible for joe's allowance,he had 9 other kids including vonnie for christsake.cant the others offer some help?why does it always have to be MJ.

Because Michael is official cashcow of the Jacksons!!

At least he is considered so, but Joe, Oxman, Randy, L. Rowe etc like it or not Michael left a Will.

 

[Moulin Rouge]

I just dont understand why michael should also be responsible for joe's allowance,he had 9 other kids including vonnie for christsake.cant the others offer some help?why does it always have to be MJ.

They should all help their father but michael's estate has hundreds of millions of dollars so I don't see a big deal of them giving him an allowance if he had been dependent on michael before his passing.