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Johnny Depps lawyer on the Robson & Safechuck case basically handling it like MJ is confirmed guilty:

This extremely dissappointing and also worrying, its just shows you everyone has the mentality that MJ is guilty even before reading up on the cases, to find a jury or judge who is not biased against MJ will be difficult if not impossible at this time after being exposed to the media narrative for 30 years with Leaving Neverland as the icing on the cake :-(

https://twitter.com/x/status/1676690268261629965
 
I just don't get it. Didn't they learn at all from the 2005 trial? He was 100% exonerated. JD's lawyer clearly doesn't know much about Wade. Also saying its a winnable case, just wow. What a world we're living in. It's beyond absurd if it even goes to trial, let alone them winning.

From someone who did such a great job for JD you'd expect he would have looked past LN, but I'm guessing he fell for it too. Which is honestly unbelievable, especially him being a lawyer, knowing so damn well how easily people lie. And LN contains exactly that, many provable lies.
 
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Lightbringer said:
Johnny Depps lawyer on the Robson & Safechuck case basically handling it like MJ is confirmed guilty:

This extremely dissappointing and also worrying, its just shows you everyone has the mentality that MJ is guilty even before reading up on the cases, to find a jury or judge who is not biased against MJ will be difficult if not impossible at this time after being exposed to the media narrative for 30 years with Leaving Neverland as the icing on the cake :-(

https://twitter.com/x/status/1676690268261629965
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But that's what lawyers do.. they represent one party who hired them, and try to make their clients 'win' (defending or accusing).
It would be weird if the lawyers suddenly said, 'I represent Robson & safechuck, but they are lying'. Thats not what the job of a lawyer.

I always wondered whether the lawyers who represented the accusers of Michael really believed he was guilty or innocent. Did Chandler/Arviso/Robson go to the lawyer and say that they are lying and get a big payday, or did they lie to the lawyer and say I did happen.

One thing is certain, these lawyers are having to deal with all the inconsistencies of the stories, either at the start or during the trial after Michaels defence proofs these inconsistencies.
 
Ben Chew should have a talk with Thomas Mesereau.

God it makes me beyond frustrated that this man did so much good for those in need, he helped so many, but who was there to help him? Madonna was right when she said we abandoned him. Not the fans, not the supporters, but all those so called friends.

People all over were on his side after the trial, when he died they mourned him. Two fake ass losers come out, presenting zero evidence for their case, but plenty evidence showing their true agenda. Yet chances are they might get their day in court, it's unbelievable. And we are powerless.
 
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MJImpeccable said:
But that's what lawyers do.. they represent one party who hired them, and try to make their clients 'win' (defending or accusing).
It would be weird if the lawyers suddenly said, 'I represent Robson & safechuck, but they are lying'. Thats not what the job of a lawyer.

I always wondered whether the lawyers who represented the accusers of Michael really believed he was guilty or innocent. Did Chandler/Arviso/Robson go to the lawyer and say that they are lying and get a big payday, or did they lie to the lawyer and say I did happen.

One thing is certain, these lawyers are having to deal with all the inconsistencies of the stories, either at the start or during the trial after Michaels defence proofs these inconsistencies.
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Well first of all we have DA Thomas Sneddon, wo was obsessed with getting MJ behind bars since 93. Not only did he have a personal vendetta against MJ, but he also hoped for a glorious end of his DA career by winning the case agains the biggest star in the world in 2005 . Then we have the crooked lawyer Barry Rothman, I absolutely believe he was in on it or even orchestrated the Chandler abuse story. There is a new episode on "The MJCast" with Rothmans secretary from that period which is very enlightening.
 
librariangirl:) said:
Well first of all we have DA Thomas Sneddon, wo was obsessed with getting MJ behind bars since 93. Not only did he have a personal vendetta against MJ, but he also hoped for a glorious end of his DA career by winning the case agains the biggest star in the world in 2005 . Then we have the crooked lawyer Barry Rothman, I absolutely believe he was in on it or even orchestrated the Chandler abuse story. There is a new episode on "The MJCast" with Rothmans secretary from that period which is very enlightening.
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Yeah, I have seen her quoting multiple times about the start of the chandler case, I also think Barry Rothman was in on it. He was also there when Evan Chandler demanded 20 million from Michael 'otherwise he would go public'. I think Rothman knew what he was doing.

Thomas Sneddon is burning in hell thats for sure, I despise that men.
 
MJImpeccable said:
But that's what lawyers do.. they represent one party who hired them, and try to make their clients 'win' (defending or accusing).
It would be weird if the lawyers suddenly said, 'I represent Robson & safechuck, but they are lying'. Thats not what the job of a lawyer.

I always wondered whether the lawyers who represented the accusers of Michael really believed he was guilty or innocent. Did Chandler/Arviso/Robson go to the lawyer and say that they are lying and get a big payday, or did they lie to the lawyer and say I did happen.

One thing is certain, these lawyers are having to deal with all the inconsistencies of the stories, either at the start or during the trial after Michaels defence proofs these inconsistencies.
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Johnny Depp’s lawyer? He isn’t the one representing the liar, is he?
 
I think Michael Jackson is the media and Hollywood scapegoat for something much deeper and darker going on. Corey Feldman has said it. And you need only look at the Epstein Island situation and all the Hollywood guests and absolutely NO curiosity on the part of the media as to who was there, why, or pursuing any of those people. But Michael Jackson 14 years after his death, accused by two boys whose stories change depending on who is listening and who swore black and blue he never touched them? Yeah, let's give THEM all the airtime they want. Put them on Oprah as well.

Take a look at the new number 1 movie in America for instance - the sound of freedom. it is about a ex US government agent who saves children from child sex rings. They had to make the movie independently because no studio wanted a bar of it. Of course the movie brings into question the merits of open border policies that allow such travel and syndicates to even operate. But a movie about a real problem in the world, and Netflix, the streaming giants, no one wanted to touch it with 100 foot pole. Leaving Neverland? HBO breaks contracts to air it.

Mel Gibson has said it - Hollywood is run by paedophiles. Michael Jackson is a scapegoat. I am willing to concede the inappropriate nature of some of his actions but he's being painted as Hollywood's Jimmy Saville and even if we were to buy Michael had any guilt here (and I don't), the story has been beat up now. There are CLEARLY a slew of Hollywood paedophiles as proven by Epsteins illustrious friendship circles and their lives go on unencumbered by Oprah talkshows and Netflix specials.

Scapegoat. The Michael Jackson allegations have been so convenient for so many people. Ultimate diversion. The cash cow that never dies. Fuck these people.
 
Hurley509 said:
I think Michael Jackson is the media and Hollywood scapegoat for something much deeper and darker going on. Corey Feldman has said it. And you need only look at the Epstein Island situation and all the Hollywood guests and absolutely NO curiosity on the part of the media as to who was there, why, or pursuing any of those people. But Michael Jackson 14 years after his death, accused by two boys whose stories change depending on who is listening and who swore black and blue he never touched them? Yeah, let's give THEM all the airtime they want. Put them on Oprah as well.

Take a look at the new number 1 movie in America for instance - the sound of freedom. it is about a ex US government agent who saves children from child sex rings. They had to make the movie independently because no studio wanted a bar of it. Of course the movie brings into question the merits of open border policies that allow such travel and syndicates to even operate. But a movie about a real problem in the world, and Netflix, the streaming giants, no one wanted to touch it with 100 foot pole. Leaving Neverland? HBO breaks contracts to air it.

Mel Gibson has said it - Hollywood is run by paedophiles. Michael Jackson is a scapegoat. I am willing to concede the inappropriate nature of some of his actions but he's being painted as Hollywood's Jimmy Saville and even if we were to buy Michael had any guilt here (and I don't), the story has been beat up now. There are CLEARLY a slew of Hollywood paedophiles as proven by Epsteins illustrious friendship circles and their lives go on unencumbered by Oprah talkshows and Netflix specials.

Scapegoat. The Michael Jackson allegations have been so convenient for so many people. Ultimate diversion. The cash cow that never dies. Fuck these people.
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Great post!

He really indeed is a scapegoat and it doesn't seem like it will stop anytime soon. Even if the estate do win, which let's sure as shit hope so otherwise my faith in the justice system there is gone, they still won't give up. I am sure these pathetic two men will still have options, maybe more appeals? It's not gonna stop anytime soon. But it will halt promising projects like the biopic and what not. They probably keep making it, but a release will be delayed if need be.

All around a shit situation. At least this month we'll hear what's gonna happen.
 
My concern is that this isn't about proving that Michael did anything wrong. It's about showing that the companies involved purposefully worked to find children to be in Michaels life.

To get a guilty verdict, do the prosecution have to prove abuse or do they have to show that the children were put in harm's way? Or do they just have to show that the companies actively worked in a professional capacity to "find children" that might just include for purposes like short films and concerts?
 
8701girl said:
this is why tom meserau should be involved
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Why can't John tell them to bugger off. He is a lawyer too isn't he ? ..... But if we are bringing Tom back. I'm all for that.
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It's disturbing and sickening how so many people WANT Michael Jackson to be guilty. It's clear these people don't care about the well being of children because if they did they'd be supporting Michael's innocence because that would mean no kids have been hurt.

Not only do they want him to be guilty they take great pleasure in it.
 
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It's disturbing and sickening how so many people WANT Michael Jackson to be guilty. It's clear these people don't care about the well being of children because if they did they'd be supporting Michael's innocence because that would mean no kids have been hurt.

Not only do they want him to be guilty they take great pleasure in it.
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OH MY GOD. I CAN CONFIRM.

One time, another guy at school came up to me saying "Michael Jackson molested kids" and LAUGHING while he said it. It was pretty damn clear he was only trying to get a reaction out of me and nothing else. (I'm pretty open about my love for Michael, even in public.) But it is still disturbing how the topic of Michael's (nonexistent) guilt is a punchline for many people.

Because yes, serious, reputation-altering allegations are TOTALLY funny! (I'm being sarcastic...)

Guess an estimate really, but I wanna bet you more than 95% of Michael's haters don't actually give a damn whether the accusers were actually abused or not, nor do they care at all about sexual abuse victims in general. and it's DISGUSTING.

real victims of sexual abuse deserve to be listened to, believed, and heard. and receive justice. not to be laughed at. and CSA as a whole is never a laughing matter.
 
DarylJoel_B said:
OH MY GOD. I CAN CONFIRM.

One time, another guy at school came up to me saying "Michael Jackson molested kids" and LAUGHING while he said it. It was pretty damn clear he was only trying to get a reaction out of me and nothing else. (I'm pretty open about my love for Michael, even in public.) But it is still disturbing how the topic of Michael's (nonexistent) guilt is a punchline for many people.

Because yes, serious, reputation-altering allegations are TOTALLY funny! (I'm being sarcastic...)

Guess an estimate really, but I wanna bet you more than 95% of Michael's haters don't actually give a damn whether the accusers were actually abused or not, nor do they care at all about sexual abuse victims in general. and it's DISGUSTING.

real victims of sexual abuse deserve to be listened to, believed, and heard. and receive justice. not to be laughed at. and CSA as a whole is never a laughing matter.
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I think a lot of people who "believe" Michael molested kids tend to be edgelords with a love for whatever can make them look like they're "in the know" or ruffle people's feathers with it. On the Blitzway Facebook (the company making the new MJ statue) 99.9 percent of comments are overwhelmingly positive but the occasional one is "what next, Jimmy Savile?" and "does it come with a little boy?" I think if you really thought someone was a child molester, and you took the concept seriously, you wouldn't joke about it.

Duckling said:
Nawet jeśli Osiedle wygra, to i tak zostanie źle odebrane przez media? I understand correctly?
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Michael's legacy has weathered a lot and I think it will weather this as well, whatever the end result may be. I think the two camps that believe in innocence and guilt are pretty well set now. I really can't see how the media could be any worse than they've already been or infer his pedophilia any more clearly. Leaving Neverland hit like a bombshell and a few months later he was back on basically every radio station on the planet. I don't expect any different here.
 
Hurley509 said:
I think Michael Jackson is the media and Hollywood scapegoat for something much deeper and darker going on. Corey Feldman has said it. And you need only look at the Epstein Island situation and all the Hollywood guests and absolutely NO curiosity on the part of the media as to who was there, why, or pursuing any of those people. But Michael Jackson 14 years after his death, accused by two boys whose stories change depending on who is listening and who swore black and blue he never touched them? Yeah, let's give THEM all the airtime they want. Put them on Oprah as well.

Take a look at the new number 1 movie in America for instance - the sound of freedom. it is about a ex US government agent who saves children from child sex rings. They had to make the movie independently because no studio wanted a bar of it. Of course the movie brings into question the merits of open border policies that allow such travel and syndicates to even operate. But a movie about a real problem in the world, and Netflix, the streaming giants, no one wanted to touch it with 100 foot pole. Leaving Neverland? HBO breaks contracts to air it.

Mel Gibson has said it - Hollywood is run by paedophiles. Michael Jackson is a scapegoat. I am willing to concede the inappropriate nature of some of his actions but he's being painted as Hollywood's Jimmy Saville and even if we were to buy Michael had any guilt here (and I don't), the story has been beat up now. There are CLEARLY a slew of Hollywood paedophiles as proven by Epsteins illustrious friendship circles and their lives go on unencumbered by Oprah talkshows and Netflix specials.

Scapegoat. The Michael Jackson allegations have been so convenient for so many people. Ultimate diversion. The cash cow that never dies. Fuck these people.
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I fully agree. The fact that Epstein and also Harvey Weinstein's allegations were initially ignored by the media while fake shit about Michael continues to get posted over and over again is so infuriating.
Hurley509 said:
Michael's legacy has weathered a lot and I think it will weather this as well, whatever the end result may be. I think the two camps that believe in innocence and guilt are pretty well set now. I really can't see how the media could be any worse than they've already been or infer his pedophilia any more clearly. Leaving Neverland hit like a bombshell and a few months later he was back on basically every radio station on the planet. I don't expect any different here.
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I really hope you're right. I can't take anymore of this shit. I just hope whoever is holding on to anything of his... be it the estate, whoever tracks Sony's vault... hold on tightly to everything and make sure it's protected.
 
A czy Wy, drodzy fani Michaela, też uważacie, że jak wygra Osiedle, to dalej będzie źle? Bo muszę przyznać, że ta informacja mnie załamała. I'm worried about Michael
 
Hurley509 said:
Michael's legacy has weathered a lot and I think it will weather this as well, whatever the end result may be. I think the two camps that believe in innocence and guilt are pretty well set now. I really can't see how the media could be any worse than they've already been or infer his pedophilia any more clearly. Leaving Neverland hit like a bombshell and a few months later he was back on basically every radio station on the planet.
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Not exactly. Took quite a bit longer here in the UK, IIRC.

Hurley509 said:
I don't expect any different here.
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You have more confidence than I do. It could go very differently, imo. But hopefully not.

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"Finaldi's strategy in depos was focusing on things like the employee handbook not containing sections dedicated to CSA prevention. He will fixate on the "warning signs" derived from tabloid headlines to claim they had a duty to protect (whether or not abuse genuinely occurred)."
@MJJRepository

There will be lots of detailed legal wrangling going on in this case, that's for sure. No way to predict how that might play out. Child protection legislation was certainly in place in the UK, for example, at the end of the 80's. But specific csa prevention guidelines didn't really come in until the early 2000's, mostly bc of the Catholic church sex abuse scandals. It goes without saying that csa is always wrong and humans do know right from wrong. But the safeguarding principles we have now only really became quite developed and clear in the early to mid - 2000's, afaik. And it took a little bit longer for companies and organisations to include safeguarding policies as standard. Maybe it was different in the US.


"But you're right. Any outcome favorable toward the men will be reported as "guilt proven." Media will then take W&J claims as established fact, not like they haven't already.But if they lose then it's just "the companies aren't liable for MJ's abuse" so it's a lose-lose for MJ."
@MJJRepository

This worries me a lot. :(
 
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Why can't John tell them to bugger off. He is a lawyer too isn't he ? ..... But if we are bringing Tom back. I'm all for that.
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im still wondering if the little bugger will find Alan poor little guy
 
It's pathetic to begin with that Michael was even temporarily banned. For what? The extremely one sided hit piece that presented exactly zero proof of anything? Anyone could make such a thing with enough money and coaching. It's certainly shows that we live in a ridiculous world.

How quick people forgot about his exoneration and people lying for money. I really hate people sometimes, for being so gullible. But those that actually are guilty of crimes such as Roman Polanski are still celebrated during award shows, his movies still being watched, same goes for Weinstein. And truly how much have we really heard about Ghislaine Maxwell?

And as someone earlier here pointed out, why do we barely hear anything about the movie Sound of Freedom? Why isn't Netflix or any other service interested in buying it? But boy oh boy they were so quick to buy LN. Weinstein also helped spread BS stories about MJ in the media when Michael was still alive.
 
8701girl said:
Guys i just had a thought: what if jordy is being pressured by santa Barbra police to keep quiet?
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oh my god ...oh my gosh.
Mmm well i can very well believe it. I know it's just a thought @8701girl but its a thought provoking & i think it is very plausible.
oh , I just had to open a window ! that thought was jarring.:eek:
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
And as someone earlier here pointed out, why do we barely hear anything about the movie Sound of Freedom? Why isn't Netflix or any other service interested in buying it? But boy oh boy they were so quick to buy LN. Weinstein also helped spread BS stories about MJ in the media when Michael was still alive.
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More proof of how MJ was a scapegoat. I think the child porn story in 2016 was also started by him. There was also a documentary about the allegations against Weinstein at Sundance 2019... very same Sundance LN was premiered at. Almost no coverage of it.
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Guys i just had a thought: what if jordy is being pressured by santa Barbra police to keep quiet?
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That's an interesting thought... funny how the media loves to paint Michael as the one who "bought his silence" (which if you read the settlement, he didn't), but I never considered that the police could be encouraging him to keep quiet. His reluctance to testify in 2005 and his silence even now is... quite interesting.
 
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Guys i just had a thought: what if jordy is being pressured by santa Barbra police to keep quiet?
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In the settlement it states both porties are not allowed to talk about the case. Dont know how that works for the 2005 trial if he was allowed to if he wanted, which he didnt because he got older and knows nothing happened.

Still hope either Jordan or gavin will eventually come out but as long as their parents are still alive I doubt it due to the consequences.
 
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