Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

I imagine that staffer would have got fired. TMZ's mission is to make up as much bullshit as they can about celebrities, especially if they are Balck or considered too successful for their liking. Most gossipers, tabloid media papers and their staff and disgruntled ex employees, will be insanely jealous of someone's talent and do everything they can to discredit it.

I sound like a broken record here, but Michael Jackson became the perfect target and it shows us all how cruel human nature is. We as a species love to belive the worst possible scenario in everything. Our world has become corrupted by scandal, sex, sin and the cruel side of human nature. We are desensitised to wanton sex, violence, blood and guts, war, selfishness, evil people in power (Putin, Trump) and greed. We have lost our morality - most of us, Michael Jackson was one of the few who had not. He was not an angel, but he was close - he used his fame to do positive things, help the vulnerable and powerless, how many other stars did that, lots - but very few to the degree he did. I mean children in African and Asian slums know who Michael is, its unlikely they know who Taylor Swift or Ye are - that was the impact of Michael Jackson.

I sound like an old man here, but why do people like the Kardashians - they are a pack of stupid women who became famous for having sex and living shallow, stupid and incredibly selfish lives. Same with Donald Trump - why did people vote for him, the man is a lunatic, Mumble and Trap rappers, skanky pop artists, anti social musicians and strongman politicians. Why do people like these guys. Why do we worship someone because they are rich or powerful like Elon Musk? Why can't we care about the humble hardworking people, or those born with no advantages or privileges in life - what is wrong with people? We are also getting more stupid as a species, we accept slang and text language in exams and tests now, we worship sports over politics and science. Why are people like Dwayne Johnson and Kim Kardashian more famous than say scientists like Neil de Grasse Tyson etc.

Yet the moment we hear he likes hanging out with kids and he has sleepovers, we instantly think he is having sex with them or exploiting them and then some assclown comes up with lies (Evan Chandler) and the gossip media, already writing crap about Michael's plastic surgeries, his animals, his bid to buy elephant man bones and his spending - see this story and jump on it. Add to that picking on the guy for being effeminate and Black, but his skin going light (Michaels Vitiligo and the fact he was soft spoken and delicate - stereotyping) - you have the recipe for a scandal and a series of shocks and trials that would basically mar his career. However it was not enough to completely derail his career.

Yes his later albums did not sell on the level of Thriller and even Bad, but they still sold millions, he had number one hits up to the late 90s and even Invincible was syill a hit overall. He still had heaps of fans and defenders. The fact all of the This is it tickets sold out before he sang a single note speaks volumes about his popularity after 40 years. Despite the ethics of This is it (Exploiting him by greedy record companies and his physical shape) - people still brought tickets, because it was Michael Jackson and it was a live show by the greatest showman of all time.

Even rotten human nature could not destroy Michael Jackson, the truth shone through, you would have to be naive to think the Chandler and Arviso cases did not impact his career at least to some degree, but they did not ruin it or end it.

But even now 14 years after he died, we still have assclowns trying to discredit and we need not give them oxygen anymore, that includes the current assclown now. My suggestion, don't engage him, don't acknowledge him and eventually he will go away. Its worked with Chandler, Arvision and now Robson is fading away.
 
I think it is important to be protective for children because they are vulnarable and people with kids can relate to the fear that something bad (or real pedophiles) happens to them or do them harm.

I understand michaels perspective on his message of spreading love and loving the innocence of children. The reason why he wanted to hang out with kids are logical considering his childhood combined with all his humanitarian work related to children in need. And obviously building Neverland, a place for (ill) children to have the time of their lives. Also he was fully open with it, which makes it less suspicious than trying to hide it.

There is only one thing that bothers me a little bit is that people here think it is 'ok' for an adult to hang out with children and act like this is normal. Even with Michael, and all the things I just mentioned, and that people are protective of children and that an adult hanging with children it simply a little odd in our current society, which makes it morally wrong to do. People think his behaviour was questionable for a reason, which indicates that we don't 'accept' it in our (western) society. (I dont know how other parts of the world though about these topics)

But most people here agree that Michael is innocent and have done their research, which is very important. But if people have an open mind and a different opinion, we shouldn't call them ''trolls'', people can have some valid points.
Explain to me why it’s not okay to hang out with kids. I am genuinely interested in hearing your reasoning for that.
 
30 years of lies and false allegations, what more proof do we need, the man is innocent?

Yeah it's insane.

We have some people saying there's nothing wrong with fans not agreeing on everything and that these are valid points. However the stuff I've read here from some are not valid points, it has nothing to do with it. It's the type of stuff I expect to see from uneducated sheep on Twitter who have no desire to learn the real facts, use their mind and use common sense.

By the way, what happened to all the "old timers" here, do they post now and then or are they gone? I've been gone for a long time too.

It sucks that some of these newer posters with crap comments could be the kind of people we really rather not have. As in media mofos acting like fans. I hope the mods take this stuff serious and react accordingly.
 
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Yeah it's insane.

We have some people saying there's nothing wrong with fans not agreeing on everything and that these are valid points. However the stuff I've read here from some are not valid points, it has nothing to do with it. It's the type of stuff I expect to see from uneducated sheep on Twitter who have no desire to learn the real facts, use their mind and use common sense.

By the way, what happened to all the "old timers" here, do they post now and then or are they gone? I've been gone for a long time too.

It sucks that some of these newer posters with crap comments could be the kind of people we really rather not have. As in media mofos acting like fans. I hope the mods take this stuff serious and react accordingly.
The stuff you've read is not valid points? Why is that? because you simply disagree with it and therefore dismiss them?

I wasn't aware I was dealing with the oracle of the MJ community. Someone who can decide what fans can say and then proceed to humiliate those who may have a different view.

Uneducated sheep? 😂 Brilliant.

Media mofos acting like fans? Stop being paranoid and so far up MJ's hoop that you can hear him say he he.

Such entitlement from a little turd who thinks they know everything.
 
Explain to me why it’s not okay to hang out with kids. I am genuinely interested in hearing your reasoning for that.
Did you even read my post? My english isn't that bad.. my points are literally in there.

Ask any person on the street and ask the question 'is it normal if a grown up adults likes the regularly hang out with unrelated kids?' Guess what people are going to say, they so no. Why? Because people are protective of kids and we dont want people to do them harm.

We know Michael and he was loving and caring, but would I let my children play with a random adult? Absolutely fk no.
Would I hypothetically let my children hang out with Michael? possibly, but even then I'd keep an eye on them.

2 Question to you bacause you apparantly think its not weird and I'd like to know your views too (different opinions are fine, we can discuss and enlighten each other):
1. Would you allow your kids to hang out with adults? (in the park, in their house, in your house, whatever)
2. What would you think when one of your adult neighbours is regularly hanging out with kids? Would you think thats normal or think its a little weird?
 
Did you even read my post? My english isn't that bad.. my points are literally in there.

Ask any person on the street and ask the question 'is it normal if a grown up adults likes the regularly hang out with unrelated kids?' Guess what people are going to say, they so no. Why? Because people are protective of kids and we dont want people to do them harm.

We know Michael and he was loving and caring, but would I let my children play with a random adult? Absolutely fk no.
Would I hypothetically let my children hang out with Michael? possibly, but even then I'd keep an eye on them.

2 Question to you bacause you apparantly think its not weird and I'd like to know your views too (different opinions are fine, we can discuss and enlighten each other):
1. Would you allow your kids to hang out with adults? (in the park, in their house, in your house, whatever)
2. What would you think when one of your adult neighbours is regularly hanging out with kids? Would you think thats normal or think its a little weird?
I hang out with kids that are not related to me - kids with problems (like refugees) to give them a good time and make them forget their hardship. So I'm a bad person now or even a pedo? Also no of my neighbors or friends have a problem with it (more the opposite actually). I think it's actually weird what you are saying...Maybe it's a cultural thing...
 
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Did you even read my post? My english isn't that bad.. my points are literally in there.

Ask any person on the street and ask the question 'is it normal if a grown up adults likes the regularly hang out with unrelated kids?' Guess what people are going to say, they so no. Why? Because people are protective of kids and we dont want people to do them harm.

We know Michael and he was loving and caring, but would I let my children play with a random adult? Absolutely fk no.
Would I hypothetically let my children hang out with Michael? possibly, but even then I'd keep an eye on them.

2 Question to you bacause you apparantly think its not weird and I'd like to know your views too (different opinions are fine, we can discuss and enlighten each other):
1. Would you allow your kids to hang out with adults? (in the park, in their house, in your house, whatever)
2. What would you think when one of your adult neighbours is regularly hanging out with kids? Would you think thats normal or think its a little weird?
Yes, I wouldn’t have any problem whatsoever with an adult hanging out with kids. Not a “random” adult, though.
1. Yes.
2. “Normal” is a funny concept. It wouldn’t be too ordinary, but it wouldn’t be wrong in any way. Rather the opposite. In this day and age, we have a lot to learn from interacting between generations. Young and old. Ageism is the worst.
 
When Garvin Arviso slept in Michael's TWO STORY DUPLEX bedroom didn't Michael insist that another adult spend the night there too?
yep he said to frank '' ok i have a sloution for this the kids can stay in my room but you gotta sleep on the floor with me''
 
I hang out with kids that are not related to me - kids with problems (like refugees) to give them a good time and make them forget their hardship. So I'm a bad person now or even a pedo? Also no of my neighbors have problem with it. I think it's actually weird what you are saying...
That is different, those are people with a difficult time and in need. I also saw your post that you let them in your house, so respect to you for that!

Someone also said that context is different (couldve been you not sure) but hanging out with kids in need (what Michael also did) is not the same as random kids in the neighbourhood. Your neighbour probably appriciate the time you spend with kids with problems (like refugees).
imo, context matters in this case.

Don't put words in my mouth of calling you a bad person or a 'pedo' thats not what I said so please be respectful in discussing!

Also, when I was young, there was a footballtrainer who likes to hang out with children, all parents didnt like it and were protective of the kids. Why? Because they thought 'why is that adult guy, hanging out in his free time for some kids'. They thought it was weird. People are protective, that man, as far as I know, didnt have bad intentions, but if I look bad at it, it was very weird of that man.

Context definitely matters though.
 
I hang out with kids that are not related to me - kids with problems (like refugees) to give them a good time and make them forget their hardship. So I'm a bad person now or even a pedo? Also no of my neighbors have problem with it. I think it's actually weird what you are saying...Maybe it's a cultural thing...
Yes! Thank you.

The only way you could see it as wrong is if you think it’s sexual.
 
Yes, I wouldn’t have any problem whatsoever with an adult hanging out with kids. Not a “random” adult, though.
1. Yes.
2. “Normal” is a funny concept. It wouldn’t be too ordinary, but it wouldn’t be wrong in any way. Rather the opposite. In this day and age, we have a lot to learn from interacting between generations. Young and old. Ageism is the worst.

I think we can simply conclude that there are different opinions, but there or no right or wrong in our cases. Also context clearly matter when people are in need or ill, or handicapped, or related.

The fact that the general public, still, think Michael relationship with kids is questionable, that shows that in the west we see that it's morally not really ok, otherwise there would be no backlash. People are protective of kids.

I simply wouldnt allow one of my kids to hang out with a random adult, my kid with a random adult playing video games in my house or outside where I dont have control over what happens, I cant see that happening because I think it is a little weird.

But who knows, maybe I am 'close minded' on this subject. But its fine that we have different opinions.
 
Personally I can't understand that you can still listen to the music if you thought he could be guilty, I just can't. His music is so personal, it's so him that I could never ever listen to a Heal the World again or Earth Song.
Excatly if i thought for one second michael was guilty i would NEVER EVER listen to his music ever again and i remember back in the 2003 shit i did stop listening to michael for a while cuz i was angry at michael for getting himself in that situation again
 
I think we can simply conclude that there are different opinions, but there or no right or wrong in our cases. Also context clearly matter when people are in need or ill, or handicapped, or related.

The fact that the general public, still, think Michael relationship with kids is questionable, that shows that in the west we see that it's morally not really ok, otherwise there would be no backlash. People are protective of kids.

I simply wouldnt allow one of my kids to hang out with a random adult, my kid with a random adult playing video games in my house or outside where I dont have control over what happens, I cant see that happening because I think it is a little weird.

But who knows, maybe I am 'close minded' on this subject. But its fine that we have different opinions.
Although I agree, if it’s in regards to a random adult. But that never was the question here, was it? Michael wasn’t “random” to these kids and their parents.
 
Yes let's all laugh at me, a fan who's just worried that his music idol is potentially a paedophile (and for good reason)
If you truly think that what are u doing here?!
 
Although I agree, if it’s in regards to a random adult. But that never was the question here, was it? Michael wasn’t “random” to these kids and their parents.

Yes, my questions and opinion is towards random adults. If it is people that I know, then I wouldnt mind because I know those people. But if my kid was playing outside, came home was a random adult and asks if they can play a video game. Im gonna say what the f* is that guy doing here, go find someone of your own age.

Yes you're right, Michael was close with the families, which is also what he was looking for, see that is also different. However, most people think way simpler. They see on TV 'Michael is hanging out with children' then they simply conclude > thats weird (it still is imo buy even when innocent). But we understand Michael and all the background information see we think different than people who only base their opinion on the news, they dont know what we know about Michael.
 
OMG I've seen some shit posted but this takes this biscuit.

How the hell can you say that his reputation was not tarnished by these allegations, 93 and then 05?

Michael was never looked at the same way again. These allegations have stuck with him for 3 decades.
Excatly! his record sales werent in the thiller bad era time once the 93 allegations hit and that hurt mj so badly he was never the same since 93
 
That is different, those are people with a difficult time and in need. I also saw your post that you let them in your house, so respect to you for that!

Someone also said that context is different (couldve been you not sure) but hanging out with kids in need (what Michael also did) is not the same as random kids in the neighbourhood. Your neighbour probably appriciate the time you spend with kids with problems (like refugees).
imo, context matters in this case.

Don't put words in my mouth of calling you a bad person or a 'pedo' thats not what I said so please be respectful in discussing!

Also, when I was young, there was a footballtrainer who likes to hang out with children, all parents didnt like it and were protective of the kids. Why? Because they thought 'why is that adult guy, hanging out in his free time for some kids'. They thought it was weird. People are protective, that man, as far as I know, didnt have bad intentions, but if I look bad at it, it was very weird of that man.

Context definitely matters though.
Exactly, it's all about the context! The way you write makes it sound very general; like no adult should hang around kids. Maybe this is not your intention. Also, Michael didn't hang around with just random kids. Most of the times it was families (with kids) or kids in need. We all know that the public perceived it in an other way (especially after 1993) and that MJ should have been more cautious. So there is no need to say this over and over again and stating that this and that is so weird. Especially because it's actually not weird to have a good heart and help others and we fans know that this is what MJ was about.
 
He had a fixation with children, especially boys there's no denying that. Throw in the allegations it's really not difficult to see how how the world would look at him and question what is going on.

Am I right or wrong?
 
Exactly, it's all about the context! The way you write makes it sound very general; like no adult should hang around kids. Maybe this is not your intention. Also, Michael didn't hang around with just random kids. Most of the times it was families (with kids) or kids in need. We all know that the public perceived it in an other way (especially after 1993) and that MJ should have been more cautious. So there is no need to say this over and over again and stating that this and that is so weird. Especially because it's actually not weird to have a good heart and help others and we fans know that this is what MJ was about.

I way mainly talking about it was general or random people and how the public perceives it, sorry if I was not really clear about that. I still think Michael 'obsession' with kids and the mannequins was a little odd, and I understand why the public thinks so to, but michaels love was pure and innocent so after studying him for years I understand him. I think his rich persona is why I am so intruiged by him. He should have been more cautious indeed.

Lets settle it here cause I think we found common ground haha (took way longer than necessary). Thank you for sharing your insights, I appriciate it, thats why I joined the forum in the first place, to talk with other fans about Michael and life in general 🙌 .

One thing I want to acknowledge, lets listen to each other when discussing and when it gets heated, dont start swearing, it's fine if people have different opinions if we have all done our research, that what makes as interesting as human.
 
He had a fixation with children, especially boys there's no denying that. Throw in the allegations it's really not difficult to see how how the world would look at him and question what is going on.

Am I right or wrong?
He just wanted to experience what a childhood was like it may not have been the normal thing to do but in his innocent mind he thought it was ok
 
I way mainly talking about it was general or random people and how the public perceives it, sorry if I was not really clear about that. I still think Michael 'obsession' with kids and the mannequins was a little odd, and I understand why the public thinks so to, but michaels love was pure and innocent so after studying him for years I understand him. I think his rich persona is why I am so intruiged by him. He should have been more cautious indeed.

Lets settle it here cause I think we found common ground haha (took way longer than necessary). Thank you for sharing your insights, I appriciate it, thats why I joined the forum in the first place, to talk with other fans about Michael and life in general 🙌 .

One thing I want to acknowledge, lets listen to each other when discussing and when it gets heated, dont start swearing, it's fine if people have different opinions if we have all done our research, that what makes as interesting as human.
Thank you! the swearing has to STOP
 
He just wanted to experience what a childhood was like oit may not have been the normal thing tpo do but in his innocent mind he thought it was ok
He had Neverland , he had the money to do whatever he wanted and create a fantasy land that would make him happy.

The constant longing for childhood I understand but to want to continue doing so, after the first set of allegations that almost crippled him I don't get.

He could have easily shared his fantasy with adults without the fear of any prosecution or judgement.
 
He had Neverland , he had the money to do whatever he wanted and create a fantasy land that would make him happy.

The constant longing for childhood I understand but to want to continue doing so, after the first set of allegations that almost crippled him I don't get.

He could have easily shared his fantasy with adults without the fear of any prosecution or judgement.
he had too much of child like mind he didnt comprehend that it would look so guilty and sinister in the public eye
 
I way mainly talking about it was general or random people and how the public perceives it, sorry if I was not really clear about that. I still think Michael 'obsession' with kids and the mannequins was a little odd, and I understand why the public thinks so to, but michaels love was pure and innocent so after studying him for years I understand him. I think his rich persona is why I am so intruiged by him. He should have been more cautious indeed.

Lets settle it here cause I think we found common ground haha (took way longer than necessary). Thank you for sharing your insights, I appriciate it, thats why I joined the forum in the first place, to talk with other fans about Michael and life in general 🙌 .

One thing I want to acknowledge, lets listen to each other when discussing and when it gets heated, dont start swearing, it's fine if people have different opinions if we have all done our research, that what makes as interesting as human.
I agree with everything you say here. I also think some things were unhealthy (but not criminal). MJ tried to heal himself by healing others (especially children). He was hurting and should have gotten professional help though, maybe this would have saved him from all the jeopardy. I don't know...thats just my take on it.
 
I agree with everything you say here. I also think some things were unhealthy (but not criminal). MJ tried to heal himself by healing others (especially children). He was hurting and should have gotten professional help though, maybe this would have saved him from all the jeopardy. I don't know...thats just my take on it.
michael liked his privacy too much that was the problem
 
he had too much of child like mind he didnt comprehend that it would look so guilty and sinister in the public eye
That sounds like he was incapable of making mature decisions which is not true.

Michael was a musical genius and a very smart man. He didn't get to where he is being dumb. He knew exactly what he was doing and was also aware of the difference between wrong or right.

I'm sorry but that excuse I'm not having. Anyway I'm tired of this topic. I can no longer be arsed discussing something that potentially happened over 30 years ago.

I'll stick to the main threads about the music.
 
That sounds like he was incapable of making mature decisions which is not true.

Michael was a musical genius and a very smart man. He didn't get to where he is being dumb. He knew exactly what he was doing and was also aware of the difference between wrong or right.

I'm sorry but that excuse I'm not having. Anyway I'm tired of this topic. I can no longer be arsed discussing something that potentially happened over 30 years ago.

I'll stick to the main threads about the music.
michael kept his childhood experince in secert i guess cuz he was embrassed remember yes he was a musical genuis but he was a very shy man
 
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