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Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

SmoothGangsta said:
Really weird that we have people on here now who seem to be playing some sort of game that involves getting as close to saying MJ was attracted to children as possible without actually saying it.

It's pretty easy to say that you don't agree with certain stuff MJ did without doing that and it's getting boring and annoying to read at this point.
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you can always unfollow (or ignore), that's what I did.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I appreciate the reply, but I'm not sure why you said this to me....?

Trust me when I say I know all of this, I've been doing countless of reading on VindicateMJ website ever since the trial started and got my mind blown about everything, especially the Chandler case because before that I hadn't concerned myself with that. School and everything.

What I meant with my comment was Wade. You don't have to tell me Mike wasn't gay or a p. Perhaps you meant to quote someone else? Otherwise I'm a little puzzled here. 😉
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oh that's good! Sorry
 
8701girl said:
there no way gavin woulds hes too much of arrgoant pig
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:cry: Was hoping he would change..
So, J might be asked? If he was , then that ...well that would end all of this. All the pain. It would put it to bed once and for all.

Edit- Sorry meant to write JC ..
 
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zinniabooklover said:
Same.


The video that @Robbsaber01 posted has a good interview with a lawyer talking about this. His section of the video is the first 20 mins and it's really good, imo. He points out the obvious - WR and JS have made many inconsistent statements over the years and Michael's team absolutely will cross-examine them on this. The lawyer is very balanced, of course, and outlines the likely defence that WR and JS might use to get around that.



WR and JS argue that Michael's companies had a duty of care towards them as children. The courts disagreed and kept rejecting the cases. It was never about whether the courts did - or did not - believe WR and JS. I think this is why some fans want this to go to court, for an actual trial, so that all of these inconsistencies can be exposed properly. Right now, for the wider public, the narrative is still LN and many people still believe it. The 'changing stories' thing isn't something that is widely known, imo.


But that's just the legal system doing its thing. I remember the last time that JS had his case dismissed, the lawyer was quoted as saying they would appeal and would take their appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, if necessary.
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Yeah, that's not good, their defense trying to get around that. That would be bad, because exactly that stuff is key. It hurts their case big time because it shows how untrustworthy they are, how they aren't sticking to just one story. This is what all these accusers have in common, they can't stick to one story. Reminds me a lot of the Arvizos.

This is the part where the estate can put some real damage in their case, make the jury see that they just make shit up as they go along. The timing of Wade from begging to be part of a musical, being rejected and immediately basically stabbing a dead person in the back, surely the jury will see how crazy that is? Didn't Wade also present a notebook to the judge where he had written that it was time "I got mine."? The text that Taj received from Wade after MJ died about how he asked to come hang out with the children and Taj, surely all of that can be shown, right? And so much more.

I'm gonna stop worrying about it, life goes on, and who knows how long until we even hear if it truly goes to trial and then how long the wait will be until it starts.
SmoothGangsta said:
Really weird that we have people on here now who seem to be playing some sort of game that involves getting as close to saying MJ was attracted to children as possible without actually saying it.

It's pretty easy to say that you don't agree with certain stuff MJ did without doing that and it's getting boring and annoying to read at this point.
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Agreed. I don't trust these folks to be actual fans and supporters, those that really have done their research. It actually reminds me of some people posting here back in 2019 when that shitshow LN aired. All of a sudden believing these two criminals or trying their hardest to come off as supporters but sprinkle in some doubts here and there on this forum in the hopes to infect others with their nonsense. I'm starting to see it for what it is, and I can't and won't with these people.

We're all getting older, all of this is getting old and extremely tiresome and I will only bother with those that know what's up. Don't have the time, energy nor willpower to even start leaning towards their nonsense.

If someone wants to support two backstabbers that continue to make a mockery of a super serious thing called sexual abuse, actual victims, be my guess but I want no part of it.
 
Agonum said:
What nonsense is this? Why wouldn’t it be okay to hang out with kids?
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Are you actually serious? You've got to be kidding. "Why wouldnt it be okay to hang out with kids as an adult"

librariangirl:) said:
Don't even react to this "troll"?
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I am not a troll at all just because I have a different opinion than you

I am just flabbergasted how people try to justify that he hang out with kids often and you dont find that even a little weird or strange.

I have researched Michael 10 years, I believe is is 100% innocent but some fans (including you) should have just a little bit of rational thinking. Michael did so much good to the world and he doesnt get enough credit for it, but he also made some mistakes. But you are just defending anything he does, even when others her give some valid arguments.

Its ok to say, maybe that wasnt his best move or trait, so what its fine to say that!
 
Hurley509 said:
Having people and kids over his house wasn't the issue, having boys in his bedroom at night is.
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Ehh yes..? The issue for? All kids could fell asleep on his bed, but he played/worked more with boys, since he liked boys stuff himself.
And so like I said, after '93 I believe MJ wanted to show the world how loving the idea of Neverland was. Ironically exactly this led to the Gavin Arvizo case.. Gavin wanting to sleep in MJ's bedroom (with MJ on the flor like he said) was documented by Cascio, and I believe that to be the truth
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
No need to bring Elvis into the discussion.

He has never been accused of molesting little boys. MJ has on multiple occasions.
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It is enough we have gossipers, liars and non fans thinking he is guilty, but its a new one when so called "fans" could even accept any of these claims are true.

Chandler was dominated by his greedy lying father, who got what he deserved, death. The Arvisios were proven to be lying pieces of shit and Robson and Safechuck were entirely discredited. You can not make lies stick. Every attempt by TMZ, Aphrodite Jones (Who apparently changed sides), homophobes, racists and haters has failed completely. Each attempt more pathetic and baseless everytime. Each time as well these assclowns look more and more desparate and moronic and eventually the world just no longer gives a fuck. They ask for more "victims" to come forward, they don't because there ain't any. Why is this charade going on and on? Because there is a chance for some money and fame and also for racist, homophobic and lying assclowns in the gutter media to discredit basically the most talented singer, dancer and showman of all time. A man who could unite the world through his gifts and it boils their racist and bile filled blood, he was a soft spoken, quiet and unassuming Black man, with a giant heart.

Yes Michael's closeness to these children was a bit strange and naive on his part - but its all these other people who rushed to these salacious conclusions, I am sure when Michael first heard he was being accused of this crap, he probably was stunned that anyone could think such things.

Michael's reaction was not immature either, after the Trial, he made a big statement, he would care and show his love for children from more distant and financial means. He left Neverland, never to return and most of the children he hung around from 2005, were his own.

Michael Jackson was, is and still will be innocent forever, its time we ALL got used to it.

Seriously BuffaloBill87 - your ideas are not very welcome on a Michael Jackson fan forum and I don't many of us will put up with it much longer. I know I am getting close to the line.
 
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mjprince1976 said:
It is enough we have gossipers, liars and non fans thinking he is guilty, but its a new one when so called "fans" could even accept any of these claims are true.

Chandler was dominated by his greedy lying father, who got what he deserved, death. The Arvisios were proven to be lying pieces of shit and Robson and Safechuck were entirely discredited. You can not make lies stick. Every attempt by TMZ, Aphrodite Jones (Who apparently changed sides), homophobes, racists and haters has failed completely. Each attempt more pathetic and baseless everytime. Each time as well these assclowns look more and more desparate and moronic and eventually the world just no longer gives a fuck. They ask for more "victims" to come forward, they don't because there ain't any. Why is this charade going on and on? Because there is a chance for some money and fame and also for racist, homophobic and lying assclowns in the gutter media to discredit basically the most talented singer, dancer and showman of all time. A man who could unite the world through his gifts and it boils their racist and bile filled blood, he was a soft spoken, quiet and unassuming Black man, with a giant heart.

Yes Michael's closeness to these children was a bit strange and naive on his part - but its all these other people who rushed to these salacious conclusions, I am sure when Michael first heard he was being accused of this crap, he probably was stunned that anyone could think such things.

Michael's reaction was not immature either, after the Trial, he made a big statement, he would care and show his love for children from more distant and financial means. He left Neverland, never to return and most of the children he hung around from 2005, were his own.

Michael Jackson was, is and still will be innocent forever, its time we ALL got used to it.

Seriously BuffaloBill87 - your ideas are not very welcome on a Michael Jackson fan forum and I don't many of us will put up with it much longer. I know I am getting close to the line.
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I'm starting to believe this person could actually be a believer of Chandler and Arvizo too. But if not and he's solely basing it on the two clowns Wade and James.....then I give up. 😂
 
You're angry at me, a fan who is conflicted about MJ's innocence. Hang me now!

What you should be angry at is MJ himself, for allowing this madness to boil over in the first place. I'm not the bloody villain here, I'm merely expressing my views.

The MJ community has always been criticized for it's extreme loyalty and crazy fans , I completely understand why if you're willing to turn on one of your own , for keeping an open mind.

Bunch of f*cking bullies. If anyone has a problem or wants to give me abuse, message me privately.
 
Some people treat Michael Jackson like he's Jesus or a religion and they try to silence any possible debate about him. People can be fans of Michael without thinking he was beyond questioning. Debate is healthy. If you truly believe your point of view you should be able to put it to scrutiny without beating other people down for not simply going with whatever the group consensus is.

I think given the situation any reasonable person would take another look at it all. And my stance right now is that Michael had a weird obsession with kids but the claims against him just always fall apart. But I do think more justification is due for some of his behaviour than simply "lost childhood". But did he do anything to any of them? There remains no evidence to say so. These are questions you'd prefer not to have to ask about your idol and he bares blame for it.

I think Michael could have easily indulged child-friends without there being the level of closeness often exhibited. Night time, bedrooms, being totally alone in different instances, it shouldn't have happened. I am a straight guy, and I have male friends and we hang out, but once it comes to bed time, we go our separate ways. No one is waking up in the same room. It just feels like too intimate a situation and kind of just weird. And even if we take all sexual presumptions off the table, for him to have young teens with him all night, eating junk food, watching movies isn't actually healthy or productive for kids who should be keeping reasonable hours, going to school, and not pulling all nighters with a megastar with a lack of perspective.

I don't know. Michael frustrates me with this whole section of his life. I am willing to buy the child-friends thing to some extent but any reasonable adult would have known that certain barriers had to be kept. And certainly it shouldn't have taken two massive life-altering investigations for him to do the obvious thing. I really hate having to hear about the allegations and revisit them but I feel like grappling with them and acknowledging them is part of what it is to be a Michael Jackson fan. It is our burden to bear. Every time you tell someone new that you're a Michael Jackson fan, theres a cross to bare. You know the allegations are going to be mentioned, whether the other person believes them or not. The usual response I find is, "yeah, really talented... not sure about the kid stuff though!"

think fans have every right to explore the allegations with an open mind seeing as we're being implicitly asked by virtue of being a fan to have to defend him. I am willing to give the facts to anyone who wants to debate me but there are definitely things Michael did that are irrefutable and undeniable that I do not defend and that are inappropriate before any sexual misconduct could even be considered.
 
Hurley509 said:
Some people treat Michael Jackson like he's Jesus or a religion and they try to silence any possible debate about him. People can be fans of Michael without thinking he was beyond questioning.
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Yeah, nobody here is doing that.

Comparing him to a weird guy going around to their neighbour's house is not questioning anything. Neither is making threads going "If he lied about his surgery what else could he be lying about?????"

BuffaloBill87 said:
Bunch of f*cking bullies. If anyone has a problem or wants to give me abuse, message me privately.
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Although I myself believe MJ is innocent I really don't like how people who question this are being treated here, it's a forum ffs..

Also: in the end NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE knows the truth in this case except for Michael Jackson himself and the accusers themselves.

It's also amazing in itself that there are people supporting possible child abuse victims as it's equally amazing in itself that there are people supporting possible innocent people.

Also 2: There was a period of time I sorta did believe the allegations (even before LN); this did not stop me from listening to MJ. It's possible to be a fan while thinking he was guilty, it's even possible to love him/adore him/pity him as a person while thinking he was guilty; it's all very possible. Let's just discuss it in a decent way, right? If you don't want to discuss, stay out.

Also 3: If Robson and Safechuck win the case your life will not be over, if in the future you will believe MJ was guilty your life would not be over; it would just go on and you will find your way. Will it suck? Yes fr a while perhaps, but doesn't this shit sucks big time already: 1.The idea that MJ was a child abuser is absolutely horrrible and 2. the idea that people make up child abuse allegations is just as horrible; either way: the world doesn't win
 
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Victorious said:
Although I myself believe MJ is innocent I really don't like how people who question this are being treated here, it's a forum ffs..

Also: in the end NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE knows the truth in this case except for Michael Jackson himself and the accusers themselves.
It's also fantastic (to a certain extent) that there are people supporting possible child abuse victims as it's equally fantastic that there are people supporting possible fake abuse perpetrators.

Also: There was a period of time I sorta did believe the allegations (before LN); this didn't stop me from listening to MJ. It's even possible to be a fan while thinking he was guilty, it's even possible to love him/adore him/pity him as a person while thinking he was guilty: let's just discuss in a decent way
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Everyone has their right to their own opinion. But posting the same BS (for me at least) over and over is just getting old. Nothing new, nothing interesting.
 
librariangirl:) said:
Everyone has their right to their own opinion. But posting the same BS (for me at least) over and over is just getting old. Nothing new, nothing interesting.
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Yes but that is the same as every other post here. If everyone knew everything no one would be here
 
librariangirl:) said:
Everyone has their right to their own opinion. But posting the same BS (for me at least) over and over is just getting old. Nothing new, nothing interesting.
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The same BS? As I said, it's not my fault that these ugly allegations keep coming up every so often is it?

It's a bloody thread about trials and tribulations, this type of debate should be welcome, it's clearly not though if you dare to disagree with the masses. Your love of the artist comes into question all because you're open to the possibilities that he might have done these things.

Some of these responses are ridiculous. We have fans who don't give a single fuck. It's MJ so he can do whatever he wants - that's the attitude of so many on here.

You're trying to silence me over valid points that I've raised.

I'm actually sick of this forum, so you might get your wish soon. This place is toxic.
 
Useful resources which are still active or accessible online:

themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com

The Michael Jackson Allegations

A comprehensive discussion of the child abuse allegations against pop star Michael Jackson.
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TruthIt'sAcomin' WordPress.com site
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www.michaeljacksoncaseforinnocence.com

The Michael Jackson Case for Innocence Podcast

Listen to a comprehensive podcast about the Michael Jackson Allegations, and explore the podcast website to discover all source material for each episode. The podcast synthesizes all the evidence to make the case for Michael Jackson's innocence.
www.michaeljacksoncaseforinnocence.com www.michaeljacksoncaseforinnocence.com
vindicatemj.wordpress.com

Vindicating Michael

People Defend The Truth About Michael Jackson
vindicatemj.wordpress.com vindicatemj.wordpress.com

Also useful is @andjustice4some (Twitter account)

Re vindicatemj.wordpress.com - some people are unhappy with some stuff posted on the blog in recent months. I've had a long break from all of this stuff - pushing 2.5 years since I was immersed in this part of Michael's story - so I can't comment on that. But the material regarding the allegations is solid. At least, I always found it helpful. All of these blogs are good, imo. They all have their own way of presenting the material; it's good to have a choice.

Can't comment on the caseforinnocence podcast bc I haven't listened to it. But it has had universal good reviews so I'm assuming it's safe to include.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
The same BS? As I said, it's not my fault that these ugly allegations keep coming up every so often is it?

It's a bloody thread about trials and tribulations, this type of debate should be welcome, it's clearly not though if you dare to disagree with the masses. Your love of the artist comes into question all because you're open to the possibilities that he might have done these things.

Some of these responses are ridiculous. We have fans who don't give a single fuck. It's MJ so he can do whatever he wants - that's the attitude of so many on here.

You're trying to silence me over valid points that I've raised.

I'm actually sick of this forum, so you might get your wish soon. This place is toxic.
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And that's actually what isn't happening at all. Nobody says "it's MJ, he can do whatever he wants" and you certainly won't see me saying it. Hell, I've been saying before it wasn't exactly ideal of Michael to put himself in that position, to be so trustworthy of others that he really shouldn't have trusted. If that man committed only one crime...it's that he was too damn kind, too naive, trusted people too easily.

People here are getting sick and tired of hearing how he shouldn't have done this and that, but I think everyone is WELL AWARE of that by now. But to start spreading doubt about his innocence based on Wade and James, that's where you lose me. If you have done thorough research on these two and can still be "hmm, well they might be telling the truth." you just lose me, I don't understand that kind of thinking. I expect that from sheep who refuse to look up facts, who refuse to think logically, use common sense.

The same damn thing happened after LN aired and it's starting to get suspicious. LN didn't present a shred of evidence, it did present us with several provable lies, anyone could make what Dan Reed made with money, careful coaching of the two "victims" and camera shots, anyone. So you got these two opportunists, these actual criminals with tons and tons of credibility issues, history of lying, perjury and their case might now go to trial and people all of a sudden start to believe they might be telling the truth? How Sway, how does that work? Not a damn thing has changed.

People getting tired of this shit is very understandable. I've seen plenty of fans here and on Twitter acknowledge that it wasn't ideal, wasn't very wise to say it on television the things MJ said during Living with MJ. He clearly didn't think that through, he wasn't perfect. But I genuinely believe the man had no bad bone in his body, was genuine when he said he'd slit his wrist first before hurting a child. But it's utter nonsense to say that because it's MJ anything goes for fans, that isn't true at all.

If you doubters had not done any research I could understand this way of thinking, because the media does a damn good job of spreading lies and misinformation, but if you have done the much needed research on everything....i can never understand this way of thinking. Because I say again for the millionth time....

A real victim of ANY crime doesn't lie about what happened, there is no reason for that at all. They don't have hidden agendas, they don't make shit up in the hopes to get money. Yet here we are, it IS about money.

Vultures, nothing but vultures.

Listen to what that friend of Wade said. If the estate had not rejected Wade he would still be singing his praises about MJ. Exactly as he did in the opus, exactly as he did to his friend. James wouldn't even have been in the picture to begin with. It's often being made into such a complex thing, when it really isn't once you think about it.
 
Victorious said:
Although I myself believe MJ is innocent I really don't like how people who question this are being treated here, it's a forum ffs..

Also: in the end NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE knows the truth in this case except for Michael Jackson himself and the accusers themselves.

It's also amazing in itself that there are people supporting possible child abuse victims as it's equally amazing in itself that there are people supporting possible innocent people.

Also 2: There was a period of time I sorta did believe the allegations (even before LN); this did not stop me from listening to MJ. It's possible to be a fan while thinking he was guilty, it's even possible to love him/adore him/pity him as a person while thinking he was guilty; it's all very possible. Let's just discuss it in a decent way, right? If you don't want to discuss, stay out.

Also 3: If Robson and Safechuck win the case your life will not be over, if in the future you will believe MJ was guilty your life would not be over; it would just go on and you will find your way. Will it suck? Yes fr a while perhaps, but doesn't this shit sucks big time already: 1.The idea that MJ was a child abuser is absolutely horrrible and 2. the idea that people make up child abuse allegations is just as horrible; either way: the world doesn't win
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Personally I can't understand that you can still listen to the music if you thought he could be guilty, I just can't. His music is so personal, it's so him that I could never ever listen to a Heal the World again or Earth Song. Because in that case I would know he was doing the exact opposite of healing the world. Ruining a child's life is not healing the world. It's ruining the life of a innocent young person, that has yet to truly experience life, that has to grow and make something of themselves. Abusing a child would halt or completely ruin any chances of that happening. And we all know how important it was to Michael to take care of our children, because they ARE the future.

When he was a kid he said he wouldn't sing it if he didn't mean it, there it is! But just because I sure as hell would never ever listen to the music again, doesn't mean that has to be your way of thinking, but I absolutely don't understand it. The man was his music, as can be read in the book Man in the Music. While it is true that nobody can ever truly know because we weren't there, we do all know what kind of people Wade and James are, that has been made crystal clear.

We do know what the Arvizos were like, we know very well about Chandler. We know very well about all the backstabbers that got demolished in court such as Adrian McAnus who admitted she made it all up but to this day keeps claiming the same shit on tv(unbelievable that this isn't illegal to do) we know about all these families with a clear agenda, oh boy is that clear.

We know about the interviews Michael gave, we read his book Moonwalk, we have seen the footage of him at Neverland goofing around with Mac and others, we've seen him visiting hospitals to be there for sick children giving them gifts, we have read and sung to his lyrics so many times, we know what his goal was for this rotten ass world and the people he helped will always be grateful for it. We know countless of children visited Neverland with their families, and only these few came out with disgusting stories. Each and every one of them with a clear agenda, with a history of lying and being grifters, greedy, the exact opposites of upstanding people.

And they all have that in common, unreliable, anything but credible, untrustworthy, money seeking vultures.

Everything, really everything is pointing to Michael being innocent. And of course the little thing called his completely vindication in 2005.

Some of the stuff I'm reading here is bat shit crazy and has nothing to do with questioning things. It's more like trying to lure people into that way of thinking. And I don't think it has any place here.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Personally I can't understand that you can still listen to the music if you thought he could be guilty, I just can't. His music is so personal, it's so him that I could never ever listen to a Heal the World again or Earth Song. Because in that case I would know he was doing the exact opposite of healing the world. Ruining a child's life is not healing the world.
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Yes but that was what I thought too. And I admit that at first I couldn't stand anything about him but not that much later I just started listening again I guess. Because it's still good music and the message stays the same. I mean I like Picasso's work too, he was a proven asshole.

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
While it is true that nobody can ever truly know because we weren't there, we do all know what kind of people Wade and James are, that has been made crystal clear.
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Well it has been made crystal clear to you (and also to me) but that doesn't make it so per se. Like 99% we read about MJ is false, why wouldn't that be the case about them, maybe a lot of stuff we know about the we know through fans, not the most objective. I have my reasons to not believe those guys but I know it's not a fact that they are lying

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
We do know what the Arvizos were like, we know very well about Chandler. We know very well about all the backstabbers that got demolished in court such as Adrian McAnus who admitted she made it all up but to this day keeps claiming the same shit on tv(unbelievable that this isn't illegal to do) we know about all these families with a clear agenda, oh boy is that clear.
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Again, clear to us. And unfortunately everything bad about these people still doesn't mean they are lying in this case. It probably does, but not necessarily.


Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
We know about the interviews Michael gave, we read his book Moonwalk, we have seen the footage of him at Neverland goofing around with Mac and others, we have read and sung to his lyrics so many times, we know what his goal was for this rotten ass world and the people he helped will always be grateful for it. We know countless of children visited Neverland with their families, and only these few came out with disgusting stories. Each and every one of them with a clear agenda, with a history of lying and being grifters, greedy, the exact opposites of upstanding people.

And they all have that in common, unreliable, anything but credible, untrustworthy, money seeking vultures.

Everything, really everything is pointing to Michael being innocent. And of course the little thing called his completely vindication in 2005.
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I mostly agree though lol
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
I said potentially, not actual fact.

Is anyone though familiar with the books, the boy and boys will be boys?

This is obviously pretty dark topic and I don't want banned , but are fans aware of these?
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And here you show you've not done any research whatsoever. Read up on it at Vindicate MJ for the facts, or not, I really don't care anymore. Acting like as if we don't know what that is, please.
 
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