Michael Jackson feat. 50 cent - MONSTER - its the real deal says 50 -READ!

[Graf]

Just because you say so?


I don't know why Sony are doing this but they are doing this. If it's really Michael and he only sounds different because he was not rally trying/it was recorded with unprofessional equipment/under unprofessional circumstances etc. then THAT is the reason why these never should be released! Do you think MJ would ever release a song where he was "not really trying". (I just said it hypothetically but I don't believe it's him for most of Monster.)

I have listened to it with headphones. My verdict: it is NOT Michael!

From Gaz's thread he just made http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98908

• Six of Michael’s former producers and engineers who had worked with Michael over the past 30 years – Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, Stewart Brawley, Michael Prince, Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley – were all invited to a listening session to hear the raw vocals of the Cascio tracks in question. All confirmed that the vocal was definitely Michael.

• Michael’s musical director and piano player on many of his records over a 20-year period, Greg Phillinganes, played on a Cascio track being produced for the album, and said the voice was definitely Michael’s.

• Dorian Holley, who was Michael’s vocal director for his solo tours for 20 plus years (including the O2 Concert Tour) and is seen in the film, “Michael Jackson’s This Is It”, listened to the Cascio tracks and said the lead vocal was Michael Jackson.

• Engineers, producers and musicians who worked on tours and/or in the studio with Michael when he was recording Bad, Thriller, Off The Wall, Dangerous, Invincible, HIStory and Blood On The Dance Floor, all listened to the music and they all reconfirmed their belief that the lead vocals were Michael’s voice on the Cascio tracks.

• Two of the nation’s preeminent forensic musicologists in the United States independently evaluated the tracks using audio analysis. Both reported that the lead vocals analyzed were those of Michael.

• Two prominent persons in the music industry who played crucial roles in Michael’s career, were also played the music and both believe that the lead vocals were Michael’s.
As a result, Sony Music concluded: “We have complete confidence in the results of our extensive research as well as the accounts of those who were in the studio with Michael that the vocals on the new album are his own.”
And the album was mastered and prepared for release using a mural created by artist, Kadir Nelson, as its cover. The mural is the visual story of Michael’s life and career and acknowledges those people and events that influenced him.

If you don't want to believe it's him, fine, but the reality is, it's pretty damn hard to argue these things. Is everyone lying? People who say it's not him, basically are just saying all these people are lying and apart of a huge conspiracy, which, for me is incredibly hard to believe they would do this.

 

[kopwatcher]

If you don't want to believe it's him, fine, but the reality is, it's pretty damn hard to argue these things. Is everyone lying? People who say it's not him, basically are just saying all these people are lying and apart of a huge conspiracy, which, for me is incredibly hard to believe they would do this.

It is, indeed, a huge amount of evidence...enough to remove doubts from most people. The point is, it doesn't matter who says what, some of us are just not hearing him. It's not a "belief", or something that's been driven by all the controversy...we simply do not hear MJ on these tracks, it really is as simple as that.

Now, as to the evidence itself, I'm just as confused how all these experts are saying it's MJ. I'm just as confused why Sony would risk it. I'm just as confused how the analysis they performed (which we haven't seen) says it's MJ. All of this goes against what we're hearing, so it's very bewildering for us too.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

I mean, honestly do the comparisons your self and even look at others' opinions. JM's vibrato is very swift and extensive and is displayed in this song. Don't get me wrong though, some of the bits are MJ sampled, but the verse lead singer sounds a bit like MJ but the way he says monster and his singing style sounds nothing like MJ. Even compare it to something more recent of MJ's work, one thing I can think of is TII movie vocals.... his voice is deep as crap live at times but even with the changes, comapring TII vocals to this song.. nothing of the same.



I'm not looking to discuss BN, but KYHU and Monster I'm sure are someone different, One song similar to KYHU is Keep the faith and in that, his vocals and vibrato is not as swift and dragged out as in KYHU and even kyhu sounds reeeaaally unprofessional and after I heard it for the first time I liked it but I questioned it because it didn't sound like him 100%. Same with Monster...I say the same to you that I say to CPpounders, compare that TII heal the world track or even any other TII song track to Monster's style...

Heal The World from TII is the regular studio version from Dangerous, it's just slowed down. And Michael didn't sound like he did at any other point in his life during TII.

 

[Graf]

edit.

 

[HIStory]

From Gaz's thread he just made http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98908

• Six of Michael’s former producers and engineers who had worked with Michael over the past 30 years – Bruce Swedien, Matt Forger, Stewart Brawley, Michael Prince, Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley – were all invited to a listening session to hear the raw vocals of the Cascio tracks in question. All confirmed that the vocal was definitely Michael.

• Michael’s musical director and piano player on many of his records over a 20-year period, Greg Phillinganes, played on a Cascio track being produced for the album, and said the voice was definitely Michael’s.

• Dorian Holley, who was Michael’s vocal director for his solo tours for 20 plus years (including the O2 Concert Tour) and is seen in the film, “Michael Jackson’s This Is It”, listened to the Cascio tracks and said the lead vocal was Michael Jackson.

• Engineers, producers and musicians who worked on tours and/or in the studio with Michael when he was recording Bad, Thriller, Off The Wall, Dangerous, Invincible, HIStory and Blood On The Dance Floor, all listened to the music and they all reconfirmed their belief that the lead vocals were Michael’s voice on the Cascio tracks.

• Two of the nation’s preeminent forensic musicologists in the United States independently evaluated the tracks using audio analysis. Both reported that the lead vocals analyzed were those of Michael.

• Two prominent persons in the music industry who played crucial roles in Michael’s career, were also played the music and both believe that the lead vocals were Michael’s.
As a result, Sony Music concluded: “We have complete confidence in the results of our extensive research as well as the accounts of those who were in the studio with Michael that the vocals on the new album are his own.”
And the album was mastered and prepared for release using a mural created by artist, Kadir Nelson, as its cover. The mural is the visual story of Michael’s life and career and acknowledges those people and events that influenced him.

If you don't want to believe it's him, fine, but the reality is, it's pretty damn hard to argue these things. Is everyone lying? People who say it's not him, basically are just saying all these people are lying and apart of a huge conspiracy, which, for me is incredibly hard to believe they would do this.

I have seen it long ago. Doesn't change a thing for me.

It's not "evidence". It's just what the Estate CLAIMS! In fact Quincy Jones told Roger Friedman he cannot be sure if it's MJ on Breaking News because the voice on that song was tempered with so much. So the long time producer of Michael can't say it's definitely him..... Enough said.

Why is it that all the Casico tracks are problematic, but nothing else? Nobody says 12 o'clock or Blue Gangsta is not Michael. It's definitely him, no question. Only the Cascio songs are problematic, but ALL of them are! How come? Isn't that strange?

And it's not true it's because his voice has changed. So it changed for 2007, but then changed back to his original voice in 2009 for This is it?

 

[Jesta]

My theory is that, because these demos weren't really planned for a particular project, they needed the most work on them. Maybe MJ's pitch was played around with, that could explain why some people aren't hearing him. Just a theory...

 

[Graf]

I have seen it long ago. Doesn't change a thing for me.

It's not "evidence". It's just what the Estate CLAIMS! In fact Quincy Jones told Roger Friedman he cannot be sure if it's MJ on Breaking News because the voice on that song was tempered with so much. So the long time producer of Michael can't say it's definitely him..... Enough said.

Why is it that all the Casico tracks are problematic, but nothing else? Nobody says 12 o'clock or Blue Gangsta is not Michael. It's definitely him, no question. Only the Cascio songs are problematic, but ALL of them are! How come? Isn't that strange?

And it's not true it's because his voice has changed. So it changed for 2007, but then changed back to his original voice in 2009 for This is it?

It is, indeed, a huge amount of evidence...enough to remove doubts from most people. The point is, it doesn't matter who says what, some of us are just not hearing him. It's not a "belief", or something that's been driven by all the controversy...we simply do not hear MJ on these tracks, it really is as simple as that.

Now, as to the evidence itself, I'm just as confused how all these experts are saying it's MJ. I'm just as confused why Sony would risk it. I'm just as confused how the analysis they performed (which we haven't seen) says it's MJ. All of this goes against what we're hearing, so it's very bewildering for us too.

It's all very bewildering for sure. These tracks fully don't sound like Michael (to me), yet you have all these people saying it is...Yeah, another point is why would Sony risk their reputation for this, it would hurt them greatly. I've gone back and forth about it all, it's been very conflicting.. I don't judge why people feel its not him, because it doesn't sound like him (to me), but unless people really believe there is a huge conspiracy going on, then it is Michael? Maybe they added some effects to his voice or whatever, I really don't know, but it's really hard to go against the evidence they have, but I understand the perspective of both sides for sure. It's an incredibly conflicting thing...I do know that..

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

I have seen it long ago. Doesn't change a thing for me.

It's not "evidence". It's just what the Estate CLAIMS! In fact Quincy Jones told Roger Friedman he cannot be sure if it's MJ on Breaking News because the voice on that song was tempered with so much. So the long time producer of Michael can't say it's definitely him..... Enough said.

Why is it that all the Casico tracks are problematic, but nothing else? Nobody says 12 o'clock or Blue Gangsta is not Michael. It's definitely him, no question. Only the Cascio songs are problematic, but ALL of them are! How come? Isn't that strange?

And it's not true it's because his voice has changed. So it changed for 2007, but then changed back to his original voice in 2009 for This is it?

He also said in another interview shortly after, that it sounds like Michael but the layering of vocals makes it difficult to tell.

 

[MJE4ever]

Without any doubt, it's Michael singing Monster.

 

[HIStory]

He also said in another interview shortly after, that it sounds like Michael but the layering of vocals makes it difficult to tell.

It went something like this: "hmmm.... hard to tell.... it was tempered with so much.... don't know.... maybe.... could be him.... maybe...." Hardly a definite supportive opinion.

Also we just don't know what these experts cited in the Estate's statement said exactly. You can take something out of context and make it sound like it was an opinion supporting the Cascio tracks. For example, it could have been that, let's say, Bruce Swedien said something similar to what Q said: "Hm, I'm not sure.... hard to tell.... maybe.... well, could be him". And then the Estate takes the "could be him" part and runs with it and cites it as a "supportive opinion".

I'm not saying this is what happened, but until we don't see how it happened exactly (or if it really happened - for that matter), we can only take the Estate's word for it - and they have their own agenda in this.

 

[Jesta]

Yes, the Estate wish to preserve and continue MJ's legacy. I'd say they're doing a good job, what with everything coming out i.e. Vision, IMMORTAL World Tour, The Experience and, of course, the new album.

All in all, the next year should be a good one, and I'll be celebrating Christmas with Vision, The Experience and the 10 tracks on "Michael".

 

[kottur13]

Look on MJJC, YouTube, Facebook and all these social media sites when it comes to the Cascio tracks. The majority (over 60%) are at the very least "doubtful" of the tracks. Is that not enough to make Sony realise that they should take off these tracks regardless of their authenticity?

 

[doitandyourdead]

i dont see whats so confusing anymore...the estate admits another singer is there so do the casios...in another thread in this forum '50 Cent Interview About Michael Jackson' 50 himself says he was never there actually with mike...pff

 

[loka]

you know why it's not Malachi ? because it doesn't sound like MJ...lol

just because it doesnt sound like MJ...makes me think that it is Michael...

 

[Milka]

i dont see whats so confusing anymore...the estate admits another singer is there so do the casios...

So another singer in the backing vocals makes the songs "fake" now?

you know why it's not Malachi ? because it doesn't sound like MJ...lol

just because it doesnt sound like MJ...makes me think that it is Michael...

Haha, yep. That makes sense in a weird way - and I really mean that.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

It went something like this: "hmmm.... hard to tell.... it was tempered with so much.... don't know.... maybe.... could be him.... maybe...." Hardly a definite supportive opinion.

Also we just don't know what these experts cited in the Estate's statement said exactly. You can take something out of context and make it sound like it was an opinion supporting the Cascio tracks. For example, it could have been that, let's say, Bruce Swedien said something similar to what Q said: "Hm, I'm not sure.... hard to tell.... maybe.... well, could be him". And then the Estate takes the "could be him" part and runs with it and cites it as a "supportive opinion".

I'm not saying this is what happened, but until we don't see how it happened exactly (or if it really happened - for that matter), we can only take the Estate's word for it - and they have their own agenda in this.

You're talking about the Friedman interview, I'm referring to the interview he did after with US Today, this one...

http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvm...t-at-kanye-new-michael-jackson-album-20101911

Us: "Thriller" was done by T-Pain and Robin Thicke -- in a different way, obviously.

QJ: Auto-tune! Well, we had to with T-Pain. I go back to 1963 when nobody knew what it was!

Us: Speaking of Michael Jackson, some of his old stuff is being released now as a new album. Thoughts?

QJ: I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. Somebody called me up and asked me if it was Michael, and I said it sounds like Michael. But it's backed up by so many voices where I can't really dig down deep enough or I haven't really had time to dig deep enough to identify it. But no way it should be coming out. It should have all stayed in the vault.

Again, his statements aren't enough to simply say, "well it's not Michael". Because he never said that, in fact he did a complete 180 and went from telling Friedman, "I don't know, it's hard to tell", to finally saying "It sounds like Michael, but it's backed by so many voices, that I haven't been able to dig deep enough to identify it."


Quincy's words are not the gospel.

 

[MJE4ever]

I trust my own ears. After repeatedly listening to this song with headphones I'm convinced it's Michael. Not Malachi or someone else. Malachi sounds different .

 

[Milka]

From Gaz's thread he just made http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98908

Oops, where did that thread go? I opened it and then accidentally closed it and now the link sends me into nirvana.

P.S. Ok, found it.

 

[doitandyourdead]

So another singer in the backing vocals makes the songs "fake" now?

but its mj if anyone in the background lol n clearly not him on lead...r u sayin u think its mj on lead n someone else in background n the old clips from mjs previous works??

i just dnt kno why there is such confusion anymore i dnt think wel ever get much admittance from sony of wrong doing after the album comes out...whos on oprah teddy n the cascios NOT darkchild or the family hmm

 

[cppounders]

but its mj if anyone in the background lol n clearly not him on lead...r u sayin u think its mj on lead n someone else in background n the old clips from mjs previous works??

i just dnt kno why there is such confusion anymore i dnt think wel ever get much admittance from sony of wrong doing after the album comes out...whos on oprah teddy n the cascios NOT darkchild or the family hmm

It's MJ on lead vocals, and MJ AND Porte on backgrounds.

Teddy and the Cascios are on Oprah because they're the ones that actually worked on the album. Wouldn't make much sense to have Darkchild or the family on the show, since they didn't contribute anything.

 

[Dorian]

Okey guys,finally got some time to make my posts around here.
This was the song that I waited for the most from the album.Since the first leak of the song I had a feeling this song will be amazing.
The rhythm is great and also the instrumental.The vocals are GREAT!The way Michael plays with the vocals,with no doubt I think it's him.This is a very radio friendly song and a very catchy one.I hope that it will be the next single.

Also I hope that 50 will do a good job rapping on the song.It deserves it.I can see this clip with a video like Ghosts or Thriller.It makes me think about Threatened when I listen to it.Maybe I'll make a video montage for it.It really deserves it.

Unlike Hold My Hand which I think it is an incredible song,I can easily see Monster in top 10.

About the vocals.Stop arguing.It's a total nonsense.If you continue this way MJJC will go down faster than Jay Sean and Lil Wayne.Let's just wait till the Oprah interview and see what happens after.

My opinion that the song contains Michael vocals and has a `Michaelish` feeling.People should stop imposing their opinions to the others.Everyone has the right to his own opinion,and that's it.Get used to it on both of the sides.I really don't care much about other's opinion as long as I enjoy the songs.

 

[The One.]

Whoa whoa whoa. You can remember exactly what I said and WHEN I said it? What are you doing? Keeping a log of all my posts? :S

Lol, actually I remember that too. Apparently we have a good memory

Oh please stop the hate already.
I love how everyone keeps arguing everywhere and in the end it doesn't make both sides better/happier.

If you don't believe then don't believe.
If you believe keep believing.
In the end we are the ones that have to judge the album, and everyone can give his own opinion about it.

Buy it or don't buy it but don't start a discussion every time because a lot of people are getting sick of it.

And yes, I do know I'm new here but I've seen too much of this already.

Yes! I wish we could just leave the Cascio tracks in history because obviously we will never agree on whether it's really Michael singing or not. Just accept the fact that people believe in different things! What is it off of yourself that you let others believe what they want? And talking about both sides now. Just asking..

It is, indeed, a huge amount of evidence...enough to remove doubts from most people. The point is, it doesn't matter who says what, some of us are just not hearing him. It's not a "belief", or something that's been driven by all the controversy...we simply do not hear MJ on these tracks, it really is as simple as that.

Now, as to the evidence itself, I'm just as confused how all these experts are saying it's MJ. I'm just as confused why Sony would risk it. I'm just as confused how the analysis they performed (which we haven't seen) says it's MJ. All of this goes against what we're hearing, so it's very bewildering for us too.

Good post!

 

[peacefulmind]

I am absolutely convinced that it is Michael Jackson singing the chorus of Monster, or the whole song for that matter (after I heard about that pipe he used on some parts - yes I believe it for this song).

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

I don't know if some of you actually know how music works, first of all, the "woo's" "oooh's" and any other Michaelish things you hear in these songs aren't called background vocals, they're ad-libs. The backing vocals are what you hear on the chorus, "Too baddd, Hollywood has got you jumpin like you should" those are backing vocals. Michael may have laid down the guiding vocal, but then it's doubled and layered with the vocals of another singer, whoever that may be, to give it a background effect. People are saying, "well, when he says Monster, it's soo not Michael", well of course, that's because for the most part it isn't. It's still a possibility that Michael did that himself, as then whoever is producing the song will tell the artist to use a different voice to repeat over himself, but since an additional singer is already credited on this song, I'm inclined to believe the backing vocals are done by someone else.

 

[cppounders]

I cannot stop listening to this song... it just makes me want to dance and I LOVE the lyrics. Best of the Cascio tracks, IMO.

 

[kottur13]

Michael may have laid down the guiding vocal, but then it's doubled and layered with the vocals of another singer, whoever that may be, to give it a background effect. People are saying, "well, when he says Monster, it's soo not Michael", well of course, that's because for the most part it isn't.

So why is it on the album?

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

So why is it on the album?

Because that's one of the things that complete a musical recording in 2010. Who woulda' thunk it?

 

[kottur13]

Because that's one of the things that complete a musical recording in 2010. Who woulda' thunk it?

I don't know of any artists in 2010 who get some dodgy goat-esque impersonator to sing over their rough demos, which leads to over half of their fanbase doubting the legitimacy of the song in question.

 

[Milka]

Lol, actually I remember that too. Apparently we have a good memory

We do, don't we?

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

I don't know of any artists in 2010 who get some dodgy goat-esque impersonator to sing over their rough demos, which leads to over half of their fanbase doubting the legitimacy of the song in question.

That's because fortunately for them, they're alive. Most acts using the background singers that they tour and are familiar with to do the backing vocals on some studio recordings, if they choose not to do it themselves. It's not unheard of, and is the equivalent of hiring a choir to do the chorus of some R&B songs. Michael isn't here, so now they definitely need someone else to fill that in for him, you'd have to work in a studio in order to understand more, and these things happen more often than what you seem to believe.