Michael Jackson Estate funding Trust 30 Million for Katherine & Kids

No surely not, but I'm afraid dear Katherine's gotta make up her mind, as to where she wants to live, she cant expect the Estate to buy her a 10 million plus house AND keep the other (which would require maintenance costs etc) for ''parties and weddings'' how many more times r her senior children going to marry and divorce? While she intends to live in a brand new more luxurious home, she wants to keep the other one so that her useless offspring and their dozens of kids can occupy it. Ain't gonna happen, she needs to make up her mind, I can definitely see why the Estate wants to sell the other house when Mrs desperately wants to live in another brand new multi million dollar mansion.

Yeah that's true, can only pick one place..Since Jermaine's tweet does say that she won't be selling Hayvenhurst (even thought that's probably not her decision) maybe the part about her wanting the other mansion isn't true?..Who knows, maybe she expects to have both?...But I guess we'll see what happens in time..
 
Jermaine tweeted that the story of selling Hayvenhurst is false. He said his mother does not know where that report came from.

And I think it is true. It is a falce information from the media. In the officiael documents the Estate says nothing about a plan to sell Hayvenhurst. And it the Estate has the intention to sell it they must mention it in the documents because they need approval from the court.

http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/JacksonDistribution.pdf
 
She may not own it, but I would think that nobody would force her to give up a home she's had for 40 years?

I don't think that's her decision to make. Either she lives back in that house or she lives at the new house. she can't have it both ways.
 
I kept out of this Katherine info as of late for a reason and I have to say this..

I sat back and read MJ fans comments on Katherine, falling pray to rumors that were started about her.. We preached year after year, attack after attack for MJ.. "Don't listen, it's not true, its not true.. We want TRUTH only.. Don't Judge until you KNOW."

Since Mike has passed away I see SOOO many attacks on MJs family and friends like its mind bogoling to me. Some fans are so fast to attack Katherine herself for every little move she makes. We have attacked MJ haters for years but what I am seeing too many MJ fans are THE REAL HATERS.. HATE on anyone that does anything the change this imaginary image of MJ we have all built..

He was a wonderful human being, and one that touched the world because of it. But we created the GOD image and if anything does not represent anything PERFECT regarding MJ or his family/friends we've ATTACKED.. WTF is that?

I understand phsycologically why we created this GOD figure, but he is NOT.. and his family does not need to be either. I am tired of seeing everything every family member does looked at by under a micro scope with judgement. Are there things I don't agree with yes. But if MICHAEL himself did not find he was in position to put blame, attack on his family and friends than we do not.. Michael called Katherine a Saint! I TRUST Michaels word and believe she does what she does with goodness in her heart.

Fans are now so fast to be so hateful and angree at the "MJ world" because he's gone. I wish Mike could read some of the stuff written about his family. Alot of fans have became worse than the tabloides he's wanted to burn for years..

Every time you say something about an associate/friend/family member picture Michael sitting right beside you and ask yourself. Would you say this if he was right THERE.. If NOT keep it to yourself.



(I'm not saying don't allow yourself to disagree with actions that you don't like. But don't judge prior to knowing the WHOLE story the same way we don't want haters to do it to Michael)

Put yourself in the courtroom of life the way you did for Michael.. THAN make your real opinion
 
Every time you say something about an associate/friend/family member picture Michael sitting right beside you and ask yourself. Would you say this if he was right THERE.. If NOT keep it to yourself.

No offense, but in my opinion, Michael would be TOO CONCERNED about his 3-children being signed to an "illegal" lifetime contract with a porn producer and also being a part of the Tribute's "Terms and Conditions" to be worried about anything any of us had to say. LOL!

We all know how much Michael cared for his fans, but those 3-children were his life!

If Michael were sitting beside me, he would most likely be saying: "I DON'T LIKE WHATS GOING ON WITH MY 3-CHILDREN."
 
I don't know if u created a God Image for Michael or not, but I certainly know that I didn't view him as God or God like. So learn to speak for yourself. When Michael was the here his family did not have the guts to pull half of the stunts they're pulling now. The family deserves to get criticized and attacked for their actions. When Michael was alive half of the MJ Online community had no problem to b**** about him yet, we r supposed to excuse his family who have done nothing but thrown him and his children under the bus since day one. IF Michael was alive he'd more upset and frustrated with the f_ing nonsense his family has been pulling for over two years now rather than be disappointed at the backlash they're receiving.
They were the ones selling stories about him and his children b4 the poor man was buried, so there is no way in hell that I'll be giving them a free pass for their behavior. NEVER EVER. I will never let them get away with this kind of bullshyte without voicing my opinion.

If they had behaved like normal people I'd still have some kind of respect for them, but after everything they've done and said, I will never be able to respect them again. Not in a million years. How much more bs is going to be excused by family fanatics? What is it that you people cannot see? What do they have to do more for you people to finally draw the line and say 'enough is enough'?! People have been patient for the longest time with those people and with every passing day they've become worse.
 
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No offense, but in my opinion, Michael would be TOO CONCERNED about his 3-children being signed to an "illegal" lifetime contract with a porn producer and also being a part of the Tribute's "Terms and Conditions" to be worried about anything any of us had to say. LOL!

We all know how much Michael cared for his fans, but those 3-children were his life!

If Michael were sitting beside me, he would most likely be saying: "I DON'T LIKE WHATS GOING ON WITH MY 3-CHILDREN."

What parent wouldn't be more concerned about this.
 
No offense, but in my opinion, Michael would be TOO CONCERNED about his 3-children being signed to an "illegal" lifetime contract with a porn producer and also being a part of the Tribute's "Terms and Conditions" to be worried about anything any of us had to say. LOL!

We all know how much Michael cared for his fans, but those 3-children were his life!

If Michael were sitting beside me, he would most likely be saying: "I DON'T LIKE WHATS GOING ON WITH MY 3-CHILDREN."

Totally AGREE. I think saying "fans are hating on Katherine" is far too simple, and without all the context. I don't know of ANYONE who started out, right after Michael's death, with anything but the utmost respect, support, and even LOVE, for Katherine. The thing is, I think MOST fans love Michael's children even MORE. They were his LIFE, and we all know that! We also know, very well, how he was trying to raise them -- OUT of the public eye. That was incredibly important to him, as a father, that they have normal lives, as possible, being the children of the world's most famous person!

Personally, I don't hate Katherine, and I call her no names. I do GREATLY dislike the things she has done, to-date, though. I dislike those things because I'm a parent myself, and because it was no secret how Michael wanted to have his children raised! This isn't just a "difference in parenting," but it's USING them, to gain money for others. IMHO.

There was no particular criticism from fans when Katherine sent the kids to public school. That was her choice, and was not unreasonable. But then, and increasingly, there has been cause for alarm. One thing Michael would NEVER have done, would be to use his own children to promote his projects and products! That would have been unthinkable! And for many of us, it's also unthinkable that the family is actually doing that! My heart was broken when I saw Paris holding up a bottle of Joe's "perfume." Horrible. I have NO doubt what Michael would say about that.

I've read the Howard Mann contract. That ripped it, in my book. Have you all READ that? The contract actually uses the word "EXPLOIT!" Katherine would be paid for trotting out the children, for public appearances, interviews, etc. (no mention of the children being paid anything, though). Those kids were required to go on Oprah! One of the major Michael haters during the trial, and after. If Michael were sitting right beside me, I wouldn't have to GUESS what his reaction would be! And I would say exactly the same things I'm saying here!

I do think it's NEVER good to call names, and I never do. But, it's entirely appropriate to love those children, and to be concerned for their well-being, and critical of those who would treat them badly. And now? I see a tabloid report that they may be on a reality show!??? I hope to God it's not true, and if it IS true, I hope that Michael summons the power to create a "demonstration" bolt-of-lightning, just in case anyone is confused about what HE would have wanted for his children!
 
Well said.ppl who constanty critize fans for some reason dont want to discuss the contracts and deal the kids have been brought into.is that because they cannot be justifyed
 
According to the document, it seems that the Attorney General is filing on behalf of the charities (unnamed)? That might be standard procedure?

yes. as Michael didn't name a specific charity attorney general represents the interest of the charities.

Does'nt want to sell but at the same time wants to keep it for special occasions.......not financially realistic.

That actually got me to thinking. I believe the trust documents said unprofitable assets to be sold. If it becomes a cost item with no benefit it might become a candidate for sale.

Ok, so according to the doc the $90 million includes the Hayvenhurst mortgage, the AEG payment, $50 million for Mijac (reducing the debt from $75 to $25) AND also the savings from refinancing at better interest rates.
There's nothing at all that would suggest a $90 + $159 reduction. Just to clarify.

(Which again begs the question, where does the $159 figure come from, because the current doc indicates a $90 million total reduction?)

First of all at least TII costs weren't the debts that Michael died with, those were incurred because he died. Secondly there have been multiple financial documents. One in October 2010, finalized version around February 2011 ant he current audit going on with filings starting July 2011 and hearing in August 2011. Paid $159 paid for debts was from February 2011 documents. Now as we don't see all the documents it's hard to say if it is $159 + $90 or if $90 is a part of the $159. Regardless it shows that debt is being paid.

And I think it is true. It is a falce information from the media. In the officiael documents the Estate says nothing about a plan to sell Hayvenhurst. And it the Estate has the intention to sell it they must mention it in the documents because they need approval from the court.

http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/JacksonDistribution.pdf

There are a lot of documents being filed in the probate court and we aren't even seeing a small portion to it because a) probate documents aren't online (so it requires not media to get it directly but post it online for us to see them) and b) some of them are sealed or redacted
 
There is no way Michael would like how his children been used to promote things. I think the way Paris spoke at the memorial and when they accepted the grammy for Michael I think Michael would have been proud of them. It's these other things like being in contract with Mann, perfume bottles, belts etc. They have to appear at the concert. Them on twitter. He kept them away from his business. Even people in the media who don't like Michael have said he wouldn't like certain things either. When his children are adults then it's a different story but for now they should have privacy and kept out of deals.
 
I cannot believe that we are back here again. We are going in circles with this issue!

I take KOPV's point about not rushing to judgement and finding out the facts first. And it must be frustrating to come to the board and it seems to a constant barrage of criticism of the Jackson family. We have had to close and clean various threads because of this.

If a post goes overboard, please report it. Everyone is free to express their opinion but there are guidelines in place, so that MJJC remains a place of tolerance for all.

And some self-examination is called for. Members need to police themselves and be willing to acknowledge those instances when they have gone too far.

But the members who are vociferous in their criticism of the family (myself included), criticise on the basis of what they have seen and heard directly. Sometimes things get out of hand and the mods rein people in.

What would further discussion is for posters who are concerned about "tone" and "respect" to ALSO share their perspective on the issues being raised. Offer thoughts as to why things may not be as they seem. Suggest reasons for why certain actions and activites have been undertaken. Address the matter at hand and not just the way things are being addressed.

At this rate, the cycle will continue and we will keep talking AT each other and NOT to each other.
 
The problem for us is that as fans we have found out the facts.we read the contract with mann we saw the t&c of the concert we read the facts of the fake htw charity etc etc. no one is critizing for the fun of it.most on here loved k pre june 09. personally i think its those who support the family over mj who dont seem to be aware of the facts or like to act like they dont excist
 
The problem for us is that as fans we have found out the facts.we read the contract with mann we saw the t&c of the concert we read the facts of the fake htw charity etc etc. no one is critizing for the fun of it.most on here loved k pre june 09. personally i think its those who support the family over mj who dont seem to be aware of the facts or like to act like they dont excist
thank you
 
The problem for us is that as fans we have found out the facts.we read the contract with mann we saw the t&c of the concert we read the facts of the fake htw charity etc etc. no one is critizing for the fun of it.most on here loved k pre june 09. personally i think its those who support the family over mj who dont seem to be aware of the facts or like to act like they dont excist
And this is the difference between the 2 sides. One side comes at you with facts, while the other side picks and chooses what they want to see. This is one of those times where I wish the fans were wrong and those that support the family could actually come at fans with facts that show that there isn't any exploitation and shadiness going on.
 
[h=2]Estate confirms again: Encino compound Hayvenhurst up for sale[/h] Yesterday LMJ posted the news item Confirmed: MJ Estate to pay $ 30 million to his children, mother and charities. Part of the news was about the Jackson family compound in Encino, Hayvenhurst:
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Executors also disclosed Tuesday that Michael’s mother, Katherine, is putting the family’s fabled Encino compound up for sale and wants the executors to negotiate the purchase of a new residence for her and the children, Paris, Prince and Michael Joseph Jr., known as Blanket.
The Encino property, where Michael grew up and where several of his siblings lived in a cottage near their parents’ home was appraised at $4.15 million in 2010 but has since undergone extensive renovation. Katherine and the children moved out and have been living at a leased Calabasas home that is for sale for about $10 million. The executors said Katherine Jackson has identified a number of homes in that price range that would suit her needs and that of the children.
After this news there have been reports and rumours that this is not the case. Because the information was questioned we decided to ask the estate to confirm this part of the news again. It was clearly stated that those who say that Katherine Jackson does not want to sell is “incorrect
http://www.legendarymichaeljackson.nl/?p=6046
 
I think it's sad that they're selling it cuz Michael basically grew up there, I won't blame the Estate for this decision though
 
^Okay...sad either way! And since when was Blanket "MJ Jr?" Blanket name is actaully Prince. While the real Jr. is the eldest Son known to all as "Prince" o_O

Thanks for that Mike! lol :D
 
Jermaine is still tweeting about Hayvenhurst. What in the world is really going on?





jermjackson5Jermaine Jackson

I'm starting to suspect Estate, or those around Mother, are trying to exert pressure. They need to shut up. Hayvenhurst's not for sale

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jermjackson5Jermaine Jackson

I've read report that Estate has '"again" confirmed Mother wishes to sell Hayvenhurst. This is untrue. Estate needs to stop talking for her

9 minutes ago
 
Jermaine is still tweeting about Hayvenhurst. What in the world is really going on?





jermjackson5Jermaine Jackson

I'm starting to suspect Estate, or those around Mother, are trying to exert pressure. They need to shut up. Hayvenhurst's not for sale

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jermjackson5Jermaine Jackson

I've read report that Estate has '"again" confirmed Mother wishes to sell Hayvenhurst. This is untrue. Estate needs to stop talking for her

9 minutes ago


LMFA Jermaine stop talking to her?! Is someone concerned about loosing the 'baby dump'? If Jermaine is so against it, then maybe he needs to buy the house and pay for all the maintanence related costs himself, I'm sure he's made a little fortune for himself by selling books and interviews.
 
twinklEE when I said view MJ as a God I was not talking about me so I cannot state that I am like you wanted me to. If its not you specifically than don't take offence.. Im talking about the fan base at large..
 
Does Jermaine know exactly what is going on? The estate does not have to pressure Katherine about selling anything, since the property does not belong to her. Jermaine is acting as though his mom is homeless. It seems more like he does not want to lose the home. He wants it to so he can say we have a "family home" and be able to bring reporters there for press releases. Selling it means the "family" does not have a "family home."

The decisions have nothing to do with Jermaine.

KOPV I beg you please do not start again the "you can't say that about Katherine" issue again. After Twinkle's last statement other people came in and wrote about different things, so lets keep it going in that direction. What do you think?
 
The ONLY "fact" Elusive is what an individual thinks of the Jackson family or MJ is OPINION.. And I really don't think anyone here supports the family over Mike himself.

It's just hard for some fans to sit and watch other fans talk crap about people that Michael himself never said 1 bad thing about (only spoke highly towards).... Like Michael does not know how his mother opporates and what she would do in specific situations. ESPECIALLY michael, he's known for his observation of people and its his Mother.

If I am looked in a bad light because I don't think Katherine should be talked down about than that's fine and someones choice. And does not make me or other fans support the "family" more than MJ. Infact in (my opinion) it shows TRUE support for Michael to not turn against his mother when he respected her so much.

Do I like everything she does? No! But I don't like everything my mother does either.. It does not make her any less of a mother!

Side note: If Michael himself would not talk badly about Joseph after all the bad he's done to Michael, why should I say anything bad about Katherine because I don't like how she promotes, the times of it, and other things along those lines? I shouldn't.. She loveS him with all her heart and I would never doubt that, and that's more so than I can say of ANY of the people that surrounded him on a regular bases.

GOD BLESS KATHERINE JACKSON!
 
twinklEE when I said view MJ as a God I was not talking about me so I cannot state that I am like you wanted me to. If its not you specifically than don't take offence.. Im talking about the fan base at large..
Which u can't do because u don't know that's the reason why I told you to speak for yourself before throwing around wild accusations
 
KOPV I beg you again to lets leave this issue. There is no inspiring, good, wholesome benefit in this issue. You are right about God Bless Katherine Jackson, of course. God bless her, you and all of us.
 
Twinkle I just asked KOPV to not start that issue again. You know that side says the same thing over and over, so why do you allow yourself to respond? Now you know I love you and I value you your comments and will support you, so be strong and do not respond. You are not going to accomplish anything when you engage in this back and forth, because you are both not coming from the same starting point, there is no inclination on either side to be swayed by the other's views, and each has different levels of facts/nonfacts.

I feel if we ignore these statements that tend to burst into the middle of a thread, and does not relate to the issues of the topic, the person who started it cannot continue. Who will they respond to, if no one is answering back? I want you to be the bigger person.
 
is jermaine NOT aware the the estate doesnt have to consult Katherine or ANY of them for that matter if it is going to sell Hayenhurst?? Jermaine needs to stop acting as if HE owns it.HE has No say in the matter, He talks as though it is HIS business,
 
Jermaine is still tweeting about Hayvenhurst. What in the world is really going on?

jermjackson5Jermaine Jackson

I'm starting to suspect Estate, or those around Mother, are trying to exert pressure. They need to shut up. Hayvenhurst's not for sale

5 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply

jermjackson5Jermaine Jackson

I've read report that Estate has '"again" confirmed Mother wishes to sell Hayvenhurst. This is untrue. Estate needs to stop talking for her

9 minutes ago

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