Merged: Psychics channel Michael

Welcome to the thread fan2202 :heart: :huggy:

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mjbunny - just to hark back to your response to my earlier post, yeah MJ feels far away for me too atm :(

I'll catch up with this convo later on karma and that :yes: just gotta write some more of my paper. sigh.
 
Or maybe in the end, this best explains existence: http://www.bunnychurch.com/2008/01/basics-of-bunny-religion.html :bunny: :lol:
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Mod Alert - great post there! Agree. I'd elaborate more but you said enough I think. Plus I'm kinda gettin' a brain fart after reading all this stuff
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Have a great day everyone...I'm off for awhile! :hat_wave:
 
^ LOL, Yes, I was once considering being a believer of the FSM. But then I was bunnytized by followers of the Cosmic Bunny :bunny: ... Ok, seriously, gotta go fix dinner now...
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Nah. That one with my sister is the only time I've had someone else. The rest I just used self-hypnosis tape/CD, which is basically just a guided meditation :)

:hysterical: Very true. Never thought of it that way before.

Hey, aren't you the guitarist from the MJ love letters video on youtube?! :wild: LOL. Hey, but seriously, maybe she's right. You theoretically have plenty of time to get that way. Just hope it's not for something too crazy or weird :lmao:

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I don't know if I'll be able to remember things or keep my concentration writing things down. I'll give it a go myself and if I can't do it I'll ask my poor guineapig bf to write stuff down for me :giggle:

I want to get an MJ tatoo but I'm not sure.
I want to pick out something great from dancing the dream.

I have posted in the tattoo thread just a few days ago myself...:)
Haven't thought of Dancing the Dream yet, I think that's a great idea!
"are you listening?"

I have been thinking about getting a tattoo on 25th June. I don't want anything obvious though. I want something that means a lot to me. Maybe something to signify meeting Michael in my dreams or something? I have a month to come up with something. I like to have something I know I'll never regret and something unique, that's why I designed the tattoo I already have.

Hello angels.. a newcomer here.. I have been directed to this thread by our dear and lovely MJbunny..

I am glad to be able to share those very interesting dreams and this magic Michael has been transporting us into..

Will read some of your posts so I can be up to date with you guys.

Sending you lots of love, god bless, fan

Hi and welcome to the thread :flowers:

Phew, I was getting worried here!! :bugeyed:hysterical:

See, we ALL pay with Karma. (sorry, I don't mean to harp on this karma thing all day, I'm just really focused on it for the moment..)when a child gets raped, hurt, it's body discarded as rubbish we ultimately will all pay the price. It will impact us all.

When an innocent indivual gets accused of something they did not do- and we fail to see that and how this impacted their life- than we missed the lesson. We will accuse another and fail to behind the facade. The lessons are lessons for all, as cruel as they are.

When was the last time people tried to look a look at Michael Jackson and see what lessons are to be learned? Sure, folks on the Inner Michael do that- but as society? His suffering could be a lesson for us all, so is the violent death of an innocent child, there's a reason I am putting these two in one paragraph. All things are interrelated.

I do believe that our choice to incarnate and learn these lesson in a physical form must offer some advantage over our other forms of existence, I'm assuming that nobody forced us to incarnate to learn these lessons. Nobody forced us to apply the free will that we do have. Another biggie. So there must be a reason for us chosing to come down here, manifest in a physical way and learn these lessons.

Of course nobody is thanking the Psycho for going on a killing spree, he did wrong out of his own free will but yet we all will pay the price for the lesson.
And we also have the free will to develop from these points on. Look at humanity as total and where and if we have progressed. What are we seeking? Bliss? Nirvana? The feeling of eternal being stoned over the River Styx?
We chose these lessons, we could have just stayed "up there" but apparently nothing's static, all things progress one way or another. The sun will implode, people learn.

That's interesting. I never thought about it like that. It makes sense though.

I hope everyone is ok :heart:
 
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I have been thinking about getting a tattoo on 25th June. I don't want anything obvious though. I want something that means a lot to me. Maybe something to signify meeting Michael in my dreams or something? I have a month to come up with something. I like to have something I know I'll never regret and something unique, that's why I designed the tattoo I already have.
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Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I wonder if tattoo studios will experience a spike in symbolic tattoos by nerds...:punk:
I don't want anything screaming Billie Jean either, but something similar that means something personal to me. I might go with with either a line of a song or a particular Egyptian symbol. Something small but meaningful. I'm almost worried that a month won't be enough time though.
I also HAVE to get it done by the end of June as I intended in the first place because the state we're moving to doesn't legally allow tattoo studios. THAT'S crazy...
 
P.S. Hi Flor! :) I used to get calls occasionally from 1111111111 on my cell too. I guess sometimes anonymous numbers don't go through right. If you ever get "777", though, definitely pick up :lol:

LOL…I think I had that happen before too…like mjbunny said, from an anonymous number. So, maybe you can’t read anything into it…BUT…there is something to be said about the timing of these things.

Yes , I think it was from an anonymous caller.What surprised me most , like you Amy said , was the timing. The number 1 has been following me from quite a while now , in fact today I received a message from my cell company telling me of a promo and the number was 11111!
Don´t worry mjbunny , I'd definitely pick up :lol:

Hey guys, I was looking at stuff to find out my soul type (it's scholar, which fits me perfectly) but the page had a link about the Michael teachings.... http://personalityspirituality.net/articles/the-michael-teachings/

Thanks for sharing that page Neeve! It has interesting information , I bookmarked it :) I did the test and I got Server as my soul type! It fits great to me...

Now, I've been in "haunted" places many times and I never got warmth from a "ghost". If anything, usually coldness and a heavy energy sensation. So maybe earthbound spirits feel cold and those who've gone on can feel warm? :scratch:Oh the things left to ponder...

Well , now I'm wondering the same! Maybe it depends on the person who's feeling it? I mean some people may experience a cold feeling and others a warm one , depending on how open they are to ghosts? IDK :scratch: Just thinking out loud.Anyway , from what I've read the cold feeling is the more common...

Also, earlier today I saw a tweet from Jim Carey that made me think of Michael. He said "I know that I will never belong to anyone because I am meant to shine within and upon every face I meet!"

That's a great quote and it fits Michael perfectly :wub:


Hello angels.. a newcomer here.. I have been directed to this thread by our dear and lovely MJbunny..

I am glad to be able to share those very interesting dreams and this magic Michael has been transporting us into..

Welcome :D Hope you enjoy lurking here :hug:

Wishing all a lovely day :flowers:
 
I had the most bizarre dream last night! James Brown and MJ were in it. I was working at a clothes shop and there was this huge queue of people waiting to pay, and I saw James and was like :bugeyed, James Brown is here?! He was wearing army clothes (?) and was with these other men who looked v similar to him. He came up to me at the till and told me to sign my name in this book, which also had loads of other signatures in it. The lights cut out, and a puppeteer entered and the puppet was MJ, but puppet size lol. He was in his bad tour outfit. I remember thinking god, that puppet looks so like MJ, right down to the curls. The song the puppet MJ was dancing to was APOM, and the guy was really making him dance like MJ lol. I left, but when I came back in, the puppet was someone else. It was so, so bizarre!! :heart: to you all.
For some reason this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asBTY34YMp4 made me think of your dream from a couple of days ago. It's not a puppet, but I guess is in some weird way.
 
i am reading through the posts and its awesome.. to be able to talk about those subjects and share them wth u.

big hug to u MJ bunny.. :) i missed ut oo and since i had no news from you for a while. here I am :))

neat the subject wth the light and the darkness.. duality has been my quest this life time until now.. it is one of the greatest mysteries. Some call it the divine Lila, or the divine play of God. They even talk about the day and the night of Brahm (god). The day is when the cosmos is manifest, the night there is NOTHING. that NOTHING from which everything evolves. It is said also that the NETI NETI (not this not this) cannot be really be known. It is thios manifest aspect of God which an be kown by the human mind.

I think duality has been given for progress. I see that in my life it is the duality which puzzled be, troubled me and pushed me to look for answers. But in truth there is no darkness, I think it is just LIGHT. Or anyway the dark is only the absence of the light..

michael reflected this light so well, soo deeply. Each day i love him more. and in deeper ways. I love him as I love no other human being before. I had a dream of him on Easter night.. I will share wth u.. it was an amazing dream..

i am looking forward to know u all better..

Bunny, how about we do the prayer on the 25th of June. as a silence moment.. all over the globe. wherever fans are.. whetever they do, that they stop, for 5 minutes. in silence. and we all hold hands.. its best we all group at the same time.. let me know your thoughts..
god bless..
love
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Ooo! I got the hb to work on the dishes, so dinner is delayed by a brief time :lol: Wanted to share a creepy dream I had this morning (no problem, you're welcome :lmao:)...

First, everywhere I went I had a little boy (maybe 7 yrs old?) with me. Never really got a good look at him, just like he was part of me or my family. He went everywhere with me. So I went to a doctor and all the doctors agreed that I was a mess already medically, so they weren't going to treat me anymore and just relegate me to the death wing. So I was sent not to a hospital but to a giant multi-level cave just called "the crypt". We had to sleep there and everything, basically just stay there as I was expected to die soon anyway. (Wtf?) And in that place it smelled like death, as you can imagine. :puke: It was awful. At one point I (we) left and went to a house and I used the bathroom. When I came out some guy was saying that he smelled vinegar in the bathroom (wtf? lol - this was apparently a common thing drug addicts would use) and I smelled kinda weird too (yeah, like a crypt maybe? eeeuuu) so he was convinced that I was doing drugs, probably something like crack or heroin. What?! I've never done either. He was like, "Suuuuure you haven't ;)" No, seriously! :doh: I was really annoyed at being accused of this!

Then my hb was standing behind me and I told him how much that place I was having to stay sucked, but how I'd also been to Neverland with Michael. I told him that Michael had driven/flown me through a wooded area and it was like we were going to crash into the hillside, but suddenly a magic door opened up in it and we were at Neverland! I tried to explain it like the movie Batman, how when he was driving Vicki Vale along the dark road to the back entrance of his place. Like that. At this I actually heard Michael's voice giggle, like he thought that was cute that he was being compared to Batman :lol: I looked up and smiled "at him" (the ceiling). Then I told my hubby that I got in because I was with Michael, but there's another thing you have to have as well. You need to exhibit feminine energy... the type that's nurturing, but also mysterious. Hb was like :mello:wtf? "So that's why all you girls get to go there? What about us guys?!" :( And I said it's about ENERGY, not gender. Anyone can conceivably grab that wavelength of energy and get in, but of course it comes naturally to most women in some degree. He was still bummed. Then I told him there are actually 3 keys. You can have the feminine energy, or... (and this is weird, lol) you can gain access through the smell of the forest (like that earthy, musty smell of digging in fertile soil) or through ... and hb said, "Children." Right. Through the innocence of children. Those were the three ways one might find the entrance to Neverland. (But I don't think that's a free pass. You still need to be allowed/invited/something.)

Then I (we - the little boy too) had to go back to the crypt. We were staying on the main level, but there was a large room-sized hole in the cave floor on one end through which you could see a small bit of the cave floor on the level below. Most of it was just dark, but some light fell in one little strip of the lower floor. As we came by there I could see in the light that a new body had been laid there. Ugh. It was a man, just an average guy with average clothes on, just lying there dead. And he was um, not smelling so great :puke: I was like, "OMG, I cannot stay here! I just can't! Ah, f*** this!", but I didn't have anywhere else to go really. That's when I woke up.
 
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Okay, I'm digesting...dealing with male and female energies, hm? Interesting.

You probably did wake up because you did tell yourself "eff this!" or maybe just your alarm clock went off, don't know. :D

Do you dream lucid at all? Sometimes I do and then I simply can tell myself, higherhigher, no dead corpses.
 
oh.. hi to all of you!! and thanks for the greetings. I am still adjusting to this forum and i am kinda slow in reading the posts. i will learn your names too i promise :)
sending love to all of you !!
 
Hey lovely gaaals! Hope you are all doing fine today. :heart:

Interesting, just yesterday I was thinking about karma and whether to believe in it or not, and now here's the karma talk, LOL. Karma is a tough subject for me....somehow I have had things happen where I think, 'ha, karma came back around' but on the other hand there's so often that I think....'hello, karma...anyone?'. But then again, life isn't that black and white.

There's been some amazing posts here once again....thanks for all the great insights you're giving me everyday! :huggy: Just had to say that.

The more I think about it the more I see that yes, pain is really a necessary part of our growth here on Earth. Because without pain we cannot learn compassion. I don't think this means that we shouldn't even try to eliminate pain and suffering, because I think it's important still to give out love and caring when we can to others. That's the whole point, learning compassion and then putting it into action...choosing to love and care, instead of hate. I just think that, everyone is at different levels in their growth...and so as long as there are people who have yet to learn the lessons that maybe some of us have already learned through pain, they must experience that too...just as we did.
Some nice points girl! :yes: I think that's a good way to look at 'highs and lows' or pain and so on. Pain really is an important part that makes you who you are, I think if there wouldn't be any pain or suffering in the world, no one would ever be able to grow. You have to see the negativity to be able to want the positivity. Basically...all we do is to get 'better'....everything starts low, until you make your way to the high. It's not really that we realize we do, but actually we do!

Reflection is very important for me, as well as understanding why things happen....I really believe everything happens for a reason and I'm definitely one of those who look back all the time. Therefore I really love that last sentence you wrote, that everyone will get to learn these lessons. Sometimes I feel so out of place that I 'know' so much (okay that sounds arrogant) and struggle with the baggage, and others get to live such a 'simple' life and whistle their way through without any realizations. :smilerolleyes: But in the end, we all get to feel what's going down, I suppose. If not in this life, than in another? That's a nice thought.

Or maybe in the end, this best explains existence: http://www.bunnychurch.com/2008/01/basics-of-bunny-religion.html :bunny: :lol:
LMAOOOO. What the hell....:hysterical: Thanks for the laugh!

*goesandhidesinthecorner* :tease:
Wheh, just had a major deja-vu reading this...haha. Don't know why! They're coming at me like crazy the past days, I swear I've had like 10 of them in 3 days or something. Weird. :scratch:

See, we ALL pay with Karma. (sorry, I don't mean to harp on this karma thing all day, I'm just really focused on it for the moment..)when a child gets raped, hurt, it's body discarded as rubbish we ultimately will all pay the price. It will impact us all.

When an innocent indivual gets accused of something they did not do- and we fail to see that and how this impacted their life- than we missed the lesson. We will accuse another and fail to behind the facade. The lessons are lessons for all, as cruel as they are.
That's the karma I do believe in. We all pay the price for what happens....makes sense to feel 'ashamed' of other people when they do something horrifying, because you're one of them and in the end connected. That's what Michael tried to make clear as well, that we're one and the same and you should know your actions, even if small and whether good or bad, always have an effect. I always feel like 'somebody's watching me (and I have no privacy:dancin:), to make sure that I know what I do has somehow effect on humanity. It's a great drive to heal that world, though, that little voice in your head that gives you 'guilt'.....also considering reincarnation and all that like you said. Shame that some people don't listen to that voice, or even don't have one. I guess that's where it starts....having no sense of feeling guilt?

But then I come back to my answer to Amy, in the end that sort of negativity is also needed to realize and grow.
Aaaaaaaah, I just cracked my brain I think. :doh: LOL.

Wanted to share a creepy dream I had this morning (no problem, you're welcome :lmao:)...
Whoa, crazy dream! Sounds pretty disgusting that smell in there. Way cool about those 3 types of energies you could get into Neverland....sounds like some sort of interesting mystery I would like to try out. :wild: If only it would've been true, hehe.
 
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souldreamer - Thanks for sharing those "mental program" papers by Michael...never seen them before. Looks like Michael was doing some mind mapping...like MJJLaugh mentioned. I wonder WHEN he did these too. Where did you find them?

Hello amygrace :waving:

Hello. lol you know - I can't get the 'multi-quote' option to work for me. :doh:
There's so many of you I would like to reply to. I do it old school & copy and paste everything on word doc. :lol:

Anyways about the notes Michael had written..I agree that it is mindmapping. That is the first thing I thought of when I saw it. I just thought that it was very interesting & relevant to this thread. I mean I always knew Michael was very spiritual & motivated so this just gives a look into how serious that he was about that and how much that he really believed. As I mentioned I am not sure when Michael wrote them. I found them about 6 months ago from a friend online whose a MJ fan as well. I would love to know when they are from though,just out of curiousity.

Wow! There's even more pages now that I want to read through. :cheeky:

I am glad that you all enjoyed the notes. :wub:
 
[/SIZE][/FONT]You know what's funny is that I've had hypnosis tapes/CDs by others and now it's like I can only follow Dick Sutphen :lol: I did that past life regression one so many times and a couple of others that it's like now I hear his voice and I already start to go under :lmao: I wish I had a guided meditation/hypnosis by Michael. Now that's a voice I could follow anywhere .... omg, Michael, take me away to meditation land, lol ~ ` `

One could probably go crazy trying to consider all of the questions that come up from that line of thinking. I guess in the end none of us know, so it's all speculation anyway. I just hope that there are ways to learn lessons that don't require genocide, war, torture, pain and heartache. Are there? Because if there aren't, nothing will ever get better and it's meant to suck. And that just plain sucks. Somewhere inside, though, I don't believe that. If you're really comitted to learning you can learn to become great at the piano by practicing a lot and caring. You don't have to have a mean teacher who belittles you, threatens you and smacks your fingers with a ruler for every mistake. There must be another way. :mello:


Michael on a hypnosis tape...that'd be PERFECT!

That's an interesting point, that things are meant to suck so we can learn... it's kind of depressing. But I remember reading that the world is not perfect becasue then we would have nothing to strive for, nothing to change...

Well, here you are talking about reincarnation AFTER one has lived a life like Jesus's or Michael's. I was talking about their lives BEFORE they got to that point. The way I see it, we all start somewhere...as young/new souls...ready to learn. So we go through many lives living the bad, the good, the ugly, poor, rich..you name it...to gather all lessons required for our growth. Once someone has learned all the lessons that Earth has to offer, I think we see them come in as figures like Jesus, so that the teaching isn't for them but for OTHERS; for the world. After that, I would
assume they ascend higher and never have to return to Earth. This is all how I look at it anyway. :)

Yeah that's what I feel....someone that highly advanced comes back to teach and then stops reincarnating on earth..
On that website (the same one that says Michael is Mozart......although they do have great info on levels and soul types) they say Michael was mature but not old, meaning he would probably still return... but I feel Michael is gone past that now...I dont know.

I also like what you said Modulation Alert - that it's not about punishment, but equality. mjbunny you brought up a good question...in that do we need pain and heartache to learn. I've thought about this a lot over the past months actually...when thinking about really "healing the world" and all that. The more I think about it the more I see that yes, pain is really a necessary part of our growth here on Earth. Because without pain we cannot learn compassion. I don't think this means that we shouldn't even try to eliminate pain and suffering, because I think it's important still to give out love and caring when we can to others. That's the whole point, learning compassion and then putting it into action...choosing to love and care, instead of hate. I just think that, everyone is at different levels in their growth...and so as long as there are people who have yet to learn the lessons that maybe some of us have already learned through pain, they must experience that too...just as we did.
Yes, well said....I think pain is for learning, like 1) we go through pain ourselves and we get stronger, but it also 2) teaches us to help others who are in pain, to try and make their lives better.

heeeyyyy!!! its been quite an adventure tro get here but here i ammmmmmmmm!!!!!!
bug hugs to you and all of the angels!!!!!!!

welcome!!! Did you really read all of the thread??? That's impressive!

Reflection is very important for me, as well as understanding why things happen....I really believe everything happens for a reason and I'm definitely one of those who look back all the time. Therefore I really love that last sentence you wrote, that everyone will get to learn these lessons. Sometimes I feel so out of place that I 'know' so much (okay that sounds arrogant) and struggle with the baggage, and others get to live such a 'simple' life and whistle their way through without any realizations. :smilerolleyes: But in the end, we all get to feel what's going down, I suppose. If not in this life, than in another? That's a nice thought.

I guess we all have lives at different stages...not that one is any better than the other, but different lives teach us different things. I always wonder about people who don't believe in anything, or people who hate their jobs and just try to save money to go on a holiday and forget about reality, and then go back to real life....it makes me sad, because I know what would kill me. But maybe that's their path...they're here to learn responsibility or commitment or something....or maybe it's their challenge to make their own lives what they want them to be...I really don't know.

That's the karma I do believe in. We all pay the price for what happens....makes sense to feel 'ashamed' of other people when they do something horrifying, because you're one of them and in the end connected. That's what Michael tried to make clear as well, that we're one and the same and you should know your actions, even if small and whether good or bad, always have an effect. I always feel like 'somebody's watching me (and I have no privacy:dancin:), to make sure that I know what I do has somehow effect on humanity. It's a great drive to heal that world, though, that little voice in your head that gives you 'guilt'.....also considering reincarnation and all that like you said. Shame that some people don't listen to that voice, or even don't have one. I guess that's where it starts....having no sense of feeling guilt?
Yes, so true...we're all connected, so one person's malicious act lowers our vibration...so it's up to us to raise it again :)
 
Thanks for sharing that page Neeve! It has interesting information , I bookmarked it :) I did the test and I got Server as my soul type! It fits great to me...

Hi Flor :huggy:
I got server too, highfive!

For some reason this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asBTY34YMp4 made me think of your dream from a couple of days ago. It's not a puppet, but I guess is in some weird way.

:lol: That is very cool. It does remind me of what I saw in my dream too, very similar. Thanks for digging that out :flowers:
 
That's an interesting point, that things are meant to suck so we can learn... it's kind of depressing. But I remember reading that the world is not perfect becasue then we would have nothing to strive for, nothing to change...
To just reply to everyone here, I get what you're all saying about collective karma, certainly. And I believe we're here by choice to grow, to learn, to perfect ourselves. In Conversations With God it talks a lot about being part of the One, the One being God, experiencing "Itself/Himself/Herself" via all of creation. We're all here collectively, as active parts of the consciousness that in the end is simply God, to learn all there is to know about physical existence. That would explain the pain as well as the joy, and learning one side of the duality to understand the other side. Again, though, I have to ponder just how far into shadow/negatively/evil/pain we really must delve to understand, to learn. We want to change the world for the better, but if it does change and there is less pain and heartache, are chances to learn lost? LOL, then why change it? (
 
Hi Flor :huggy:
I got server too, highfive! :lol: That is very cool. It does remind me of what I saw in my dream too, very similar. Thanks for digging that out :flowers:
Haha, cool that it reminds you. I was like... whoa, that's like darlingdear's dream! LOL, ModAlert, I saw the Mr Bean one earlier too. About being the type Server, cool. So we have Severs, a Scholar, a Priest and an Artisan so far :punk:

mjbunny, what a WEIRD dream you had. I would be pissed off if I had something like that. It looks like you saw Heaven as Neverland and some terrible places as Hell maybe with bad smell in them? Crazy stuff. :mello:
You'd be pissed off :giggle: That made me laugh when I read it. Yeah, well, it's not the worst dream ever. At least I could "remember" speeding along with Michael :wub: and heard him giggle once. It might sound dumb, but that was kind of worth the crypt. Kind of. Ok, the crypt sucked, but Michael was at least a nice thing in the dream.
 
Haha, cool that it reminds you. I was like... whoa, that's like darlingdear's dream! LOL, ModAlert, I saw the Mr Bean one earlier too. About being the type Server, cool. So we have Severs, a Scholar, a Priest and an Artisan so far :punk:

I got artisan too :D
 
To just reply to everyone here, I get what you're all saying about collective karma, certainly. And I believe we're here by choice to grow, to learn, to perfect ourselves. In Conversations With God it talks a lot about being part of the One, the One being God, experiencing "Itself/Himself/Herself" via all of creation. We're all here collectively, as active parts of the consciousness that in the end is simply God, to learn all there is to know about physical existence. That would explain the pain as well as the joy, and learning one side of the duality to understand the other side. Again, though, I have to ponder just how far into shadow/negatively/evil/pain we really must delve to understand, to learn. We want to change the world for the better, but if it does change and there is less pain and heartache, are chances to learn lost? LOL, then why change it? (
 
Wow lots of interesting discussions going on here.

Hello angels.. a newcomer here.. I have been directed to this thread by our dear and lovely MJbunny..

I am glad to be able to share those very interesting dreams and this magic Michael has been transporting us into..

Will read some of your posts so I can be up to date with you guys.

Sending you lots of love, god bless, fan

Hi, welcome to the thread. :)

Yeah, I wasn't meaning so much karma as just ways to learn our needed lessons in general. If you have to learn how to embroider, you can do so under different circumstances. You can feel inside that you really need and want to be the best at this and try your hardest from day one, occasionally pricking your fingers, but pretty much in the flow, or you can not want to deal with it and have a strict father who beats you into doing good, or you could do a half-ass job and turn out poor work and repeatedly jab your hands with the needle because you won't pay attention, or you have someone beat you despite trying your hardest... as just some examples, lol. So do humanities lessons have to be so horrific? I think they don't have to be, but it's probably up to the level of mass consciousness. The thing that can always get me about shadow and light is that it implies that the worst you can imagine simply must be, which leaves us in a position wondering what the hell we're supposed to do then with criminals, for example. Like, did that loving child came here planning to be murdered by this vicious psychopath? If it all happened for a reason, so the parents could deal with the death, so society could deal with the death, then what's the big deal? If it was planned and the brightest light must have the darkest shadow, then why don't we just pat the criminal on the head and say "Good job, psycho! How sweet that you made little Suzy suffer so much. It was such as great lesson for us all. Are you planning to kill more?" If we accept light and shadow, then we shouldn't be judging either since we know they're co-dependent. But we seemingly, at least at humanity's current level, HAVE to judge it to keep it in balance. If left unchecked the corporations screw millions, the dictators commit genocide, the villagers rape and pillage. But as I said... does your soul have to learn that raping and pillaging is wrong and terrible and hurtful by being raped and pillaged? Or can you learn the lesson in a softer way? Is there a point where the brightest light and darkest shadow start to move inward toward the center of the spectrum, away from the duality? Or is physical existence just irrevocably stuck with the extremes? Not that I expect you to answer these questions :lol:, but these are the tip of the giant iceberg of wtf :doh:

I often wonder about this too. Why does there have to be that much suffering just for the sake of learning a lesson? Why is history doomed to repeat itself over and over again? Isn't there a better way? But maybe that is the best way. It leaves an impact. Maybe some get the lesson while others still haven't so it all happens again. Maybe it just takes a really long time for the lesson to be learned and we just haven't got there yet. But then I guess you'd have to ask why does it take so long? Some lessons just have to be repeated many times before they are learned. I guess you can look at it as a sort of practice. You're not going to learn an instrument completely the first time you play it. Maybe bad things happen as a reminder, so we don't get rusty. And even if everything is all good there is still room for improvement.

To drive everyone crazy and add to what I wrote, I was just thinking that perhaps that's just it. The lightest light and the darkest dark need to kind of burn themselves out, so to speak, by playing out all the possibilities and exhausting the subject. As that happens, both ends of the dark to light spectrum come closer and closer. In the end, when they meet as ONE in the center... it's just light. But interestingly not the brightest that we always assumed was the ONE. Or I'm just needlessly rambling with philosophical nonsense. Nevermind :lol:

Edit: Unless we assume that the brightest light has no limit and you can take one dropper of light at a time, over and over and over, drip it onto the dark until finally the dark begins to be drowned out by the light and there is only light and all is one in the light. But that's not duality, anymore. If it's true duality then the darkest dark has the same infinite quantity as the lightest light and the battle can never be won, which means physical existence is basically screwed, lol. Ok, I think I'll go make dinner now... it's after 9pm lol

And that is an interesting way of looking at it. Maybe one day we'll reach a threshold, where darkness is no longer necessary. Or maybe not. I guess the lightest light would be utopia, but even utopias are flawed. No room for growth there. Maybe it's just not that simple. Just pulling out ideas, but perhaps it's accepting life/afterlife has shades and being able to live peacefully with that. I probably don't even know what I'm saying here. :doh:

Also on the topic of reincarnation, it's interesting visiting a thread like this and going on a spiritual journey, it changes my perspective entirely of each individual's soul. Now when I see a person acting or doing something out of ignorance, I try not to react negatively because I now realize that they are perhaps just at a different spiritual level. Perhaps they are not done learning all their lessons yet (can't say whether or not I am either). It's easier to accept a person in that way because then I just think "well they are just at a different level right now. They will eventually come out of their ignorance." It even puzzles me as to why some people have been touched by Michael's soul, while others are not touched at all, but then I think maybe it's not their time yet for that spiritual uplift.

So then I was thinking how my own family members are probably all at different spiritual levels. So, when they die and should choose to reincarnate, or if that is what they're supposed to do, will they do so immediately? Or will they have some time in the afterlife first before they reincarnate? Would I also not see them then because they went back to earth, or will it be something like part of their soul stays in the afterlife and part of it returns to earth? (that might explain why some people can remember their past lives) Or does their entire soul go back to a new body? And when they do return to the afterlife again will it be just an instant in time (like say a second) that I see them again? (if I didn't reincarnate also) I really don't know how time is going to work on the other side. :scratch: All good questions. :D

This is gonna be a long ass post I know. :lol: I'm in one of those modes where I'm deeply interested in these spiritual topics and I've been thinking about it a lot.
 
I guess you can look at it as a sort of practice. You're not going to learn an instrument completely the first time you play it. Maybe bad things happen as a reminder, so we don't get rusty. And even if everything is all good there is still room for improvement.
Wow, that's an excellent way of thinking about it, yeah, maybe so.

And that is an interesting way of looking at it. Maybe one day we'll reach a threshold, where darkness is no longer necessary. Or maybe not. I guess the lightest light would be utopia, but even utopias are flawed. No room for growth there. Maybe it's just not that simple. Just pulling out ideas, but perhaps it's accepting life/afterlife has shades and being able to live peacefully with that.
That's part of what it says on the Soul Type website. Mature souls are grappling with all the inner turmoil of having moved past much of the me-first vibe, but it's after the 7 levels of Maturity that we move on to being an Old Soul and that's where we finally get through to the point of seeing it all as one and how it interlocks and that it's all alright in the end, accepting that there are all those shades and that's it's ok, it makes sense. I mean, we may get glimpses of this before that and get it to a degree, but not a full understanding on a regular daily conscious level.

So then I was thinking how my own family members are probably all at different spiritual levels. So, when they die and should choose to reincarnate, or if that is what they're supposed to do, will they do so immediately? Or will they have some time in the afterlife first before they reincarnate? Would I also not see them then because they went back to earth, or will it be something like part of their soul stays in the afterlife and part of it returns to earth? (that might explain why some people can remember their past lives) Or does their entire soul go back to a new body? And when they do return to the afterlife again will it be just an instant in time (like say a second) that I see them again? (if I didn't reincarnate also)
Ah, I was stressing about this regarding Michael recently. My mom's been stressing about this for years. I mentioned befoe she lost both her parents when she was just 23. So that's been nearly 40 years ago. She had a dream recently in which her mother appeared to her and when she asked about her father her mom said, "Oh, he went on! I thought you knew." So that's driving her nuts now. What did that mean? Went on to higher realms? Reincarnated? What? And so my mom's like...will I not see my daddy when I go???? Yes, all important questions. Something tells me there's a part of us that always stays there, though. In 'Journey of Souls' people said that as well. And then there's the freedom of dreams. Maybe if a loved one reincarnates before you get over there, they won't necessarily be there waiting for you, but you'll see them very soon anyway because if they're down here they've got to go to sleep at some point :)
 
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