Merged: Psychics channel Michael

Holy crap, did I just have a mega deja vu rereading my post about "everyone thinks they were Henry VIII or Joan of Arc ..." .... whoa. And no, I don't mean because I just wrote it :lol: (Figured that joke would be coming, lolol)
 
Actually, I think I may have been way back in time... or something like that. And a slave a few times. And a deformed girl who killed herself because she couldn't get a husband. And a mean ol' soldier. And a guy working on the railroad. So many anonymous lives. About that sacred prostitute thing... hmmm... all depends on who the client is... *imagining* :heat:

:cheeky:Well yeah, all in the name of the Hieros Gamos...of course...:dont_mention_it: :jump:
Isn't exactly about a client, after all, those guys wanted the connect with the female 'cause energetically the gals have an advantage over the guys. Think of the Egyptian shemayet.
Now Michael knew what he was doing there, speaking of music and dance, it's a ritual. Wasn't coincidence that people went gaga from overboiling with certain emotion. Wasn't coincidence either that he wrote so much using the words bliss and ecstasy knowing there's more than one way to attain just that. :agree::wild: Dude was IN THE KNOW....:D
 
^ You lost me a bit there due to lagging behind in the history lessons, but I get the last paragraph :D
 
When I watch the concert footage with ten thousands screaming in a sheer ecstatic outcry, I grin and wonder, wow, nice ritual...very nice. You could power whole cities with the energy that got screamed out there! :D It's like good old fashioned magick! The priestesses of Isis would have been IMPRESSED!
 
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^ Those are the questions. If you get specific info you shouldn't have known any other way (like highly unlikely to have ever read/heard/seen that specific info in this life), where does it come from? Are you just pulling something that would fit to your mind's circumstances out of the collective consciousness? Or was it actually part of your soul's physical past? That's what I don't know. On the other hand, if you mention Egypt, I just counted like 320+ known kings from the early dynasties through the last Ptolemaic, and how many could you or I name? LOL, I mean if a thousand people insist they were King Tut or Ramses II, ok, then we have a problem. But if someone told you they did this vivid regression and got all these details about the life of Takelot I or Renseneb or someone, then it's not so freaky perhaps? And it would be pretty crazy because, who but Egyptologists or serious Egytpian history nerds have even heard of (looking at the list...) "Narber" or "Den"? And yet, they were pharoahs too. And they had wives, so now Egyptian royalty has just expanded to at least 650 people. And then there are the brothers and sisters of these folks who didn't actually rule, but may have lived in the palace, so now we're into the several thousand. Of course, that's because ancient Egyptian culture lasted sooo long. But what about some unknown king of a large tribe in what's now Niger? So if we're just looking at royalty in general, there's a huge, huge pool in the end, with souls always seeking to experience a wide variety of experience (including having great power, I'd guess). But it's true that you always hear about the super famous ones. Oh, I just had a thought... maybe some guy who thinks he was Ramses was actually some relatively unknown pharaoh, but since Ramses is famous and similar (dress, culture, etc) the brain latches onto something known to try to explain it? Or it's not real at all. Geez, just don't know :lol: In the end I guess I'll never totally believe, not until I get 'over there' and find out for sure (again :lol:). As I always say, I figure it will either be 1) Omg, I should've trusted myself! I was so right! -or- 2) My goodness, I'm a delusional idiot! ;)
 
IMHO you have a point. SOMEBODY had to be it...

For example, when I saw Michael morph into Horus, that doesn't mean to me "hey chica, I'm Horus", he was just trying to tell me something so I could start digging it up- because he probably knew I would be able to process that imagery to break it down into something that I could understand and to start a thought process because I had that leaning toward certain things all my life. And he was right...

I did like what Newton wrote about "triggers", that what I would call these things.
For example, it's no accident to me that certain objects were displayed in a cities that I ended up living in.
For example, the bust of Nefertiti has been in Berlin for a while now, several other artifacts that meant a lot to me ended up in cities I ended up living in- Berlin, NYC and Boston.

Take this thing, the Babylonian Ishtar Gate.
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In the 90ies my mother INSISTED I see this. It feels familiar. In fact, the whole museum complex feels EXTREMELY familiar to me. Sumeria, Babylon, Akkadia, Egypt etc- I feel this strange magnetic pull while at the same time I got that "careful, I got burned there" feeling going on.

Just walking through these museum complexes with egyptian mummies, scarabs, temples and mesopotamian relicts makes me all dizzy and I'm eyeing them very carefully, "hi guys, I knew you at one point". That pull is so eerie that it makes me cautious. As if I know I had good stuff going down and some pretty cruel things but it's that familiarity that astounds me.
It's like reading stories about sumerian mythology- or reading Anne Rice. Everything inside me screams "I don't like you" but I'm still drawn.
 
interesting stuff!
What Asedora mentioned about a universal computer is just like Carl Jung's theory of the collective unconscious...that's how some people interpret past lives; that they weren't essentially "us", just another spirit who went through that, but we all share everyone's memories. Interesting idea :)
 
It's like reading stories about sumerian mythology- or reading Anne Rice. Everything inside me screams "I don't like you" but I'm still drawn.
That describes perfectly the feeling I've always had when I first meet people who I've seemingly known before and with whom I'll have a close relationship with in this life. It's this bizarre familiarity coupled with the feeling of "Run! Run away fast!" :lol: And also places and cultures. I would even say it was that way with Michael, however I was only 12 and didn't know what the feeling meant yet. I get this... uck feeling in the pit of my stomach and like all my cells are saying, "Uh-oh. It's HIM (or HER)!" in response to someone. Like I almost feel scared of them, like they'll be my doom. But then some of those folks turn out to be best friends. The feeling only seems to be with the people whose lives will really affect mine greatly. Then then are a very small few that turn out to be important and when I meet them it's just like "oh hi" and it's all ok. I guess maybe I don't have to crazy karma with those rare people ;)

interesting stuff! What Asedora mentioned about a universal computer is just like Carl Jung's theory of the collective unconscious...that's how some people interpret past lives; that they weren't essentially "us", just another spirit who went through that, but we all share everyone's memories. Interesting idea :)
Yeah, that was one of my questions too... it could just be that. Like being "with Eywah" in Avatar, maybe. But at the same time, if we could do that, why couldn't we hook up with our own specific soul's travels?
 
Yep, when you just know...

Had something funny happening. My laptop ac adapter is broken (in fact, I got 40 minutes left in the battery...thank GOD for blackberries...haha), not charging. I was browsing the "extreme Michael Jackson" blog and was on the "kissing" category when I heard sizzling and looked and saw sparks flying. My adapter made one last attempt of charging and reconnected with sparks flying and audible sizzle when I was browsing pictures of him kissing various people. I noticed the sparks when I saw a photo of LMP and Michael kissing. The line read: mask takes some getting used to, but at least no swine flu..." the moment I looked down the adapter died again, no charging. LOVE it, sparks fly and a sizzle when I look at pictures of a kissing Michael. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

It's usually silly stuff like that and it seems to involve either computers, light or electricity- most all together, I guess power and energy are an easy one from that side.
 
Yeah, that was one of my questions too... it could just be that. Like being "with Eywah" in Avatar, maybe. But at the same time, if we could do that, why couldn't we hook up with our own specific soul's travels?

Yes, that's a good analogy. But yeah, before I believed in reincarnation, I would attribute the idea of past lives to the collective unconscious. But now that I do believe in reincarnation, I think it's perfectly plausible that we can tap into our own past lives if we have the inclination or know someone who can help us access them.
 
So, what he/you were "right" about? Just trying to understand your point.
Not sure if the quoting function is finally working on the blackberry or not...

What I meant in my post was that he was right about choosing a representation, an image that would make sense to long term. By prompting me think about it, to dig into it's potential meaning for me personally by choosing something I would recognize but didn't hold too much personal overload so I would be interested in "doing the work" so to speak. The next a book fell into my hands that was just the right book at the right time.
It encouraged me to look deeper into the egyptian understanding of spirituality, energy, life force, alchemy and yes, magick.

So, of course now I bow my head to every Horus I come across, hehehe.
 
Yep, when you just know...

Had something funny happening. My laptop ac adapter is broken (in fact, I got 40 minutes left in the battery...thank GOD for blackberries...haha), not charging. I was browsing the "extreme Michael Jackson" blog and was on the "kissing" category when I heard sizzling and looked and saw sparks flying. My adapter made one last attempt of charging and reconnected with sparks flying and audible sizzle when I was browsing pictures of him kissing various people. I noticed the sparks when I saw a photo of LMP and Michael kissing. The line read: mask takes some getting used to, but at least no swine flu..." the moment I looked down the adapter died again, no charging. LOVE it, sparks fly and a sizzle when I look at pictures of a kissing Michael. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

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Ohhhh alot of sparkly sparkles goin on .. :giggle:
 
Ohhhh alot of sparkly sparkles goin on .. :giggle:
The man likes sparkles, I thought, what on earth are you trying say?? "Look at me, when I kiss, sparks fly, I'm that good!" Reminded me of that macro that says "Hold on for a sec,I'm busy providing light for other planets!" I think they heard my laughter in the next few towns over.
 
The man likes sparkles, I thought, what on earth are you trying say?? "Look at me, when I kiss, sparks fly, I'm that good!" Reminded me of that macro that says "Hold on for a sec,I'm busy providing light for other planets!" I think they heard my laughter in the next few towns over.

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Well hey michael did wear a sparkly glove!.....hes a very sparkly man ;)
 
<o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" images="" smilies="" ohmy.gif="" border="0" alt="" title="<img src=" smilieid="2" class="inlineimg"></o:smarttagtype>Hey girls :group: Wow, 5 pages to catch up on! Before I tackle that, wanted to mention I did that soul type test thingy, and got Artisan. I knew that before doing the test though. :p Definitely me. Fun hearing what everyone else got. :) Also, earlier today I saw a tweet from Jim Carey that made me think of Michael. He said "I know that I will never belong to anyone because I am meant to shine within and upon every face I meet!" <o:p></o:p>
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souldreamer - Thanks for sharing those "mental program" papers by Michael...never seen them before. Looks like Michael was doing some mind mapping...like MJJLaugh mentioned. I wonder WHEN he did these too. Where did you find them?<o:p></o:p>
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Bianca - weird about the 2043/2034 thing. I remember reading a thread last year about Michael signing that... but before he started that one he was signing 1998 or something I think. Make ya wonder what his reason was for all that. :scratch:<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p> darlingdear - You mentioned yesterday you had a dream with James Brown in it...which I just found coincidental 'cause that night I had him show up in my dream as well! I can't remember the details though...I just remember him showing up, and in a kind of twisted way. lol. Like it was odd in the same way yours was. No Michael though...I don't think.<o:p></o:p>
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MJJLaugh said:
I guess I'm VERY picky. I want someone exactly like Michael, won't settle for less (so that means I'll be alone all my life probably)
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TarinJade - welcome! Thanks for sharing your dream...aww that's so sweet that Michael would check on you like that! :wub:<o:p></o:p>
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Modulation Alert said:
I shouldn't have read the "New pic! CURLS!" thread, then one where they wondered what his screen name might have been.
Oh man...I looked at that thread last year and haven't touched it since. Just tears you up... especially then seeing his "curls for my girls" shirt in This Is It. Ouch my heart. :heart: It is pretty sweet thinking that he was actually on this board before though...even though I wasn't around then. Sweet dream you had with you and Michael dancing! :wub:<o:p></o:p>
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DanceofZenab - :huggy: hope you see Michael in your dreams soon.<o:p></o:p>
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Mrs. Music said:
I was just reading in Dancing The Dream since a while, and kinda got deeply touched by the poem 'Are You Listening?'.
Oh yes...I love that poem. I had thought before of getting the lines "from bliss I came, in bliss I am sustained, to bliss I return" tattooed on me. (LOL...just read Neeve was thinking of doing the same thing!) Once I move to a new place - I'm going to decorate my house with lots of sayings from Michael too I think. :heart:<o:p></o:p>
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MJJLaugh said:
I came across some old margarine with a very old expiry date that needed to be thrown out, but the date made me sad and I cried for a bit June 19, 2009. Stupid little things like that should not get me upset, but they do.
Aw yeah. :better: The other day I signed into my twitpic account, hadn’t done that in awhile, and I saw the pic I took from last year…on the morning of the 25<sup>th</sup>. I was road tripping with my Dad to <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Colorado</st1:place></st1:state>. I probably snapped the pic half an hour before Michael went into cardiac arrest…:weeping: Omg…sorry…I shouldn’t even talk about that. :boohoo:
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Flor said:
Something weird happened.I think I've told you before about this thing about the number 1 , I've been seeing it a lot randomly but the other day I found a missed call in my cell from the number 1111111111 , WTF !?!
LOL…I think I had that happen before too…like mjbunny said, from an anonymous number. So, maybe you can’t read anything into it…BUT…there is something to be said about the timing of these things.
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Modulation Alert said:
Tell me about it... the 26th is my friggin' birthday. So, half the day on the 25th I am getting calls from friends and relatives from place that are already in the 26th, so MJ partially died on the day of my birthday. The phone is ringing and I just want to scream. This SUCKS. It's really silly because it's just a birthday but it'll be filled with this effin sadness, for a long time to come.
Aw no
:( I’m sorry hon, that's tough stuff. :better:
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mjbunny said:
The one I always used sounds totally cheesy when you first hear it (I mean really, lolol) - it's
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Dick Sutphen's Past Life Regression, which I've had for years and strangely it seems to work.
Wanted to quote this ‘cause ever since you gave me that one audio piece by him…I’ve tried some other stuff of his and I really like em. He does great stuff! He's got a lot of other meditations/self hypno sessions on his site too..in case any of you other girls are interested. I’ve yet to have some awesome hypno sessions like the crazy detailed one you got mjbunny… but, I’m gettin’ there. Practice practice!
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Oh…and all the MJ/Mozart stuff…I agree with what you guys have said…so I won’t elaborate much on that. A lot of souls can be alike, doesn’t mean they are the same person. I don’t see many links with them though. I think they are different souls indeed.

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darlingdear said:
Had a dream
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amy & mjbunny went to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">London</st1:city></st1:place> and I think you both met up with everyone on this thread, but you wrote about your experiences here.
Haha…awesome! Well, I was certainly in <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London</st1:place></st1:city> last night!
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DanceofZenab1994 said:
Amy that was such a beautiful dream! Maybe you didn't feel the energy because you were over analysing things? Or maybe Michael was simply tired?
Thanks love…and everyone else for the comments on my dream.
:) The stare part was beautiful :wub: I don’t think I’m over analyzing it though… everything I said was really just my initial feeling about it all. I don’t think it was a real connection or visitation in any way…I think it was just mind babbles….that my brain finally ran with Michael, and because I’m always worried on some level that Michael wouldn’t or doesn’t like me, it comes to the forefront when I dream of him. Maybe? I don’t know. After I made the post was when I started to over analyze…lol. If that WAS a real connection, jeez I must look really ungrateful. Lol. You just had to feel the vibe though I guess…it was just SO off. I hope my initial reaction was correct that it wasn’t really Michael …’cause I’d rather it be that way than to have offended him in some way by being ungrateful for the dream if it was real. I am happy I got to see him, even if it had a weird vibe.
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I wonder why he always seem like not himself for you. Maybe there's some part of you that's afraid that would be the case?
Yeah…I do have this worry that he wouldn’t care for me much. That was so a few months ago though.
:lol: I thought I was over that by now. Having dreams like that is just bringing it all back! :doh:
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I realized that the special message on the paper was "I love you, Mike, baby!" Aw, crap.
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That's not what I want to say!
lolol…that’s too cute.
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Around September 1, 2001 I suddenly felt the urge to update the "about me" section on my then-existing MJ art website. I totally rewrote it and uploaded a new profile pic. Three days later this guy from
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<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> is intrigued by a dream I posted on MJIFC and went to my website link. He read the "about me" and saw my picture and thought, "OMG, that's exactly how I feel about Michael myself, yes. She's just like me. And kinda cute, hey." So he wrote me. That very weekend he said to a coworker, "I can't explain it and don't know why, but I feel like I just met the woman I'm going to marry." (So I guess there was a "sign" via that particular pic or in something I had been compelled to write. I mean, isn't that freakin' amazing??? Something you do today that you won't think twice about could be the magic signal to someone else in your future.)
Wow, that’s wild. Really, it’s like our life is based on these “coincidences”. We setup the signs, we worked out the timing...so all we have to do is live our life “in the flow”. That's generally how relationships and other important events come about in our lives anyway isn't it? They somehow just happen through some connection, coincidence or something... rarely do we find them by searching out and trying to force it.
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I usually get this across the right side of my face, my ear, my neck and especially in March all along my right arm. Whoa. It's like someone's holding a sunlamp/heatlamp near my skin, but when I touch my skin it's not hot at all.
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Wow…that’s interesting. I’ve never had the heat sensation before – well, at least not very extreme…maybe a slight warmth that doesn’t last long. I wonder about the coldness vs warmth too though…you pose a good question about it about it possibly being the difference between earthbound spirits and souls that have crossed over. Hmmmmm.
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LOVE it, sparks fly and a sizzle when I look at pictures of a kissing Michael.
LOL…that’s so appropriate, sparks flying! :wub:
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Nobody tried so far to link Michael with unimportant historical figure. Everybody seems to see him as a reincarnation of <st1:place w:st="on">Krishna</st1:place>, Mozart, even Jesus etc. whatever. Nobody said yet that he was a reincarnation of a factory worker from 19 century from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">England</st1:place></st1:country-region>. Do you know why? . The answer is: because it does not make any sense.
I think nobody talks about any normal person he may have been…because nobody knows about those normal people…so, how can we make any links? It's easy to link Michael with Jesus or Krishna because we know so much about those characters already, and they share so many similarities. If Michael was some factory worker though, we wouldn't know he even existed. Still, I am positive he did indeed have those very normal and bland lives…we all have them.

Wow..it's late. That took a LONG time going through everything. Goodnight everyone. :group:
 
Yes, very intriguing! And I think you said before that you'd never felt that, right? :scratch:

Yeah I mean I've really started to notice it more in the last few months. It's always just the right ear, never the left.

darlingdear - You mentioned yesterday you had a dream with James Brown in it...which I just found coincidental 'cause that night I had him show up in my dream as well! I can't remember the details though...I just remember him showing up, and in a kind of twisted way. lol. Like it was odd in the same way yours was. No Michael though...I don't think.

Oh wow, that's funny how he showed up in both our dreams! I wonder why..


I'm feeling like I could burst into tears at any point today :cry: I feel sad about Michael, and keep thinking about June 25th & his children. But today it feels more..intense than other days, if that makes sense? Like I haven't felt like this for a while.
I tried meditating, to clear my mind and things, I briefly saw Michael during the Thriller Era, running past me, with this huge grin on his face. But then I lost concentration and had to get back to writing my paper lol.

I hope everyone is good today :flowers:

:heart: to you all.
 
I want to get an MJ tatoo but I'm not sure.
I want to pick out something great from dancing the dream.
 
Hello angels.. a newcomer here.. I have been directed to this thread by our dear and lovely MJbunny..

I am glad to be able to share those very interesting dreams and this magic Michael has been transporting us into..

Will read some of your posts so I can be up to date with you guys.

Sending you lots of love, god bless, fan
 
Hi all! :group: :heart:

"Look at me, when I kiss, sparks fly, I'm that good!" Reminded me of that macro that says "Hold on for a sec,I'm busy providing light for other planets!"
Love that macro :lol: In fact, I love all the "Chuck Norris"-like superhuman MJ macros :D I want more of that type.

 
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...I just hope that there are ways to learn lessons that don't require genocide, war, torture, pain and heartache. Are there? Because if there aren't, nothing will ever get better and it's meant to suck. And that just plain sucks. Somewhere inside, though, I don't believe that. If you're really comitted to learning you can learn to become great at the piano by practicing a lot and caring. You don't have to have a mean teacher who belittles you, threatens you and smacks your fingers with a ruler for every mistake. There must be another way. :mello:

I just think of it as applied duality. Where sun-there is shadow.

It has helped me immensely to think of karma not as punishment but as a way to treat EVERYBODY equally. I think of it as a big huge data base and karma will balance it all, good and bad. Sometime you do the bad, sometimes the bad but you won't escape your karma. Not as punishment but as equality.
 
I just think of it as applied duality. Where sun-there is shadow.

It has helped me immensely to think of karma not as punishment but as a way to treat EVERYBODY equally. I think of it as a big huge data base and karma will balance it all, good and bad. Sometime you do the bad, sometimes the bad but you won't escape your karma. Not as punishment but as equality.
Yeah, I wasn't meaning so much karma as just ways to learn our needed lessons in general. If you have to learn how to embroider, you can do so under different circumstances. You can feel inside that you really need and want to be the best at this and try your hardest from day one, occasionally pricking your fingers, but pretty much in the flow, or you can not want to deal with it and have a strict father who beats you into doing good, or you could do a half-ass job and turn out poor work and repeatedly jab your hands with the needle because you won't pay attention, or you have someone beat you despite trying your hardest... as just some examples, lol. So do humanities lessons have to be so horrific? I think they don't have to be, but it's probably up to the level of mass consciousness. The thing that can always get me about shadow and light is that it implies that the worst you can imagine simply must be, which leaves us in a position wondering what the hell we're supposed to do then with criminals, for example. Like, did that loving child came here planning to be murdered by this vicious psychopath? If it all happened for a reason, so the parents could deal with the death, so society could deal with the death, then what's the big deal? If it was planned and the brightest light must have the darkest shadow, then why don't we just pat the criminal on the head and say "Good job, psycho! How sweet that you made little Suzy suffer so much. It was such as great lesson for us all. Are you planning to kill more?" If we accept light and shadow, then we shouldn't be judging either since we know they're co-dependent. But we seemingly, at least at humanity's current level, HAVE to judge it to keep it in balance. If left unchecked the corporations screw millions, the dictators commit genocide, the villagers rape and pillage. But as I said... does your soul have to learn that raping and pillaging is wrong and terrible and hurtful by being raped and pillaged? Or can you learn the lesson in a softer way? Is there a point where the brightest light and darkest shadow start to move inward toward the center of the spectrum, away from the duality? Or is physical existence just irrevocably stuck with the extremes? Not that I expect you to answer these questions :lol:, but these are the tip of the giant iceberg of wtf :doh:
 
Asedora said:
Another exapmle: Why nobody even non Christian ppl do not think that Jesus would reincarnate as a simple individual? Everybody thinks that Jesus would come with a very special mission.
Well, here you are talking about reincarnation AFTER one has lived a life like Jesus's or Michael's. I was talking about their lives BEFORE they got to that point. The way I see it, we all start somewhere...as young/new souls...ready to learn. So we go through many lives living the bad, the good, the ugly, poor, rich..you name it...to gather all lessons required for our growth. Once someone has learned all the lessons that Earth has to offer, I think we see them come in as figures like Jesus, so that the teaching isn't for them but for OTHERS; for the world. After that, I would
assume they ascend higher and never have to return to Earth. This is all how I look at it anyway. :)

Asedora said:
At the same time ppl see Adolf Hitler having another life as a regular person.I think there must be a reason for that.I guess it is something to do with the quolity of human souls.
I don't think it's a matter of the "quality" of the soul, as we are all the same. I think it's just about where the soul is in their growth. You may have meant that with what you said...just wanted to clarify anyway. I like what mjbunny said about this...and karma. I tend to think the same way, that he would have to go through lives to balance out the karma in some way. He may have been reincarnated a few times as the victim of some horrible event like what he caused in his Hitler lifetime. Eventually, I think he would learn his lesson of compassion over the course of however many lifetimes it took him to learn that, that he would then start to evolve and live lives where he is giving back to the world in a big way; helping many people.

I also like what you said Modulation Alert - that it's not about punishment, but equality. mjbunny you brought up a good question...in that do we need pain and heartache to learn. I've thought about this a lot over the past months actually...when thinking about really "healing the world" and all that. The more I think about it the more I see that yes, pain is really a necessary part of our growth here on Earth. Because without pain we cannot learn compassion. I don't think this means that we shouldn't even try to eliminate pain and suffering, because I think it's important still to give out love and caring when we can to others. That's the whole point, learning compassion and then putting it into action...choosing to love and care, instead of hate. I just think that, everyone is at different levels in their growth...and so as long as there are people who have yet to learn the lessons that maybe some of us have already learned through pain, they must experience that too...just as we did.

fan2202 - Welcome to the group! :flowers:
 
To drive everyone crazy and add to what I wrote, I was just thinking that perhaps that's just it. The lightest light and the darkest dark need to kind of burn themselves out, so to speak, by playing out all the possibilities and exhausting the subject. As that happens, both ends of the dark to light spectrum come closer and closer. In the end, when they meet as ONE in the center... it's just light. But interestingly not the brightest that we always assumed was the ONE. Or I'm just needlessly rambling with philosophical nonsense. Nevermind :lol:

Edit: Unless we assume that the brightest light has no limit and you can take one dropper of light at a time, over and over and over, drip it onto the dark until finally the dark begins to be drowned out by the light and there is only light and all is one in the light. But that's not duality, anymore. If it's true duality then the darkest dark has the same infinite quantity as the lightest light and the battle can never be won, which means physical existence is basically screwed, lol. Ok, I think I'll go make dinner now... it's after 9pm lol
 
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Hello angels.. a newcomer here.. I have been directed to this thread by our dear and lovely MJbunny..

I am glad to be able to share those very interesting dreams and this magic Michael has been transporting us into..

Will read some of your posts so I can be up to date with you guys.

Sending you lots of love, god bless, fan
Hi there! Somehow I missed this post :doh: Good to have you here! :heart: Welcome to our crazy convos, lolol :giggle:
 
heeeyyyy!!! its been quite an adventure tro get here but here i ammmmmmmmm!!!!!!
bug hugs to you and all of the angels!!!!!!!
 
Hello angels.. a newcomer here.. I have been directed to this thread by our dear and lovely MJbunny..

I am glad to be able to share those very interesting dreams and this magic Michael has been transporting us into..

Will read some of your posts so I can be up to date with you guys.

Sending you lots of love, god bless, fan

Hi Fan2202, I somehow didn't see you hello when refreshing the page. Hi!
 
Yeah, I wasn't meaning so much karma as just ways to learn our needed lessons in general. If you have to learn how to embroider, you can do so under different circumstances. You can feel inside that you really need and want to be the best at this and try your hardest from day one, occasionally pricking your fingers, but pretty much in the flow, or you can not want to deal with it and have a strict father who beats you into doing good, or you could do a half-ass job and turn out poor work and repeatedly jab your hands with the needle because you won't pay attention, or you have someone beat you despite trying your hardest... as just some examples, lol. So do humanities lessons have to be so horrific? I think they don't have to be, but it's probably up to the level of mass consciousness. The thing that can always get me about shadow and light is that it implies that the worst you can imagine simply must be, which leaves us in a position wondering what the hell we're supposed to do then with criminals, for example. Like, did that loving child came here planning to be murdered by this vicious psychopath? If it all happened for a reason, so the parents could deal with the death, so society could deal with the death, then what's the big deal? If it was planned and the brightest light must have the darkest shadow, then why don't we just pat the criminal on the head and say "Good job, psycho! How sweet that you made little Suzy suffer so much. It was such as great lesson for us all. Are you planning to kill more?" If we accept light and shadow, then we shouldn't be judging either since we know they're co-dependent. But we seemingly, at least at humanity's current level, HAVE to judge it to keep it in balance. If left unchecked the corporations screw millions, the dictators commit genocide, the villagers rape and pillage. But as I said... does your soul have to learn that raping and pillaging is wrong and terrible and hurtful by being raped and pillaged? Or can you learn the lesson in a softer way? Is there a point where the brightest light and darkest shadow start to move inward toward the center of the spectrum, away from the duality? Or is physical existence just irrevocably stuck with the extremes? Not that I expect you to answer these questions :lol:, but these are the tip of the giant iceberg of wtf :doh:

Phew, I was getting worried here!! :bugeyed:hysterical:

See, we ALL pay with Karma. (sorry, I don't mean to harp on this karma thing all day, I'm just really focused on it for the moment..)when a child gets raped, hurt, it's body discarded as rubbish we ultimately will all pay the price. It will impact us all.

When an innocent indivual gets accused of something they did not do- and we fail to see that and how this impacted their life- than we missed the lesson. We will accuse another and fail to behind the facade. The lessons are lessons for all, as cruel as they are.

When was the last time people tried to look a look at Michael Jackson and see what lessons are to be learned? Sure, folks on the Inner Michael do that- but as society? His suffering could be a lesson for us all, so is the violent death of an innocent child, there's a reason I am putting these two in one paragraph. All things are interrelated.

I do believe that our choice to incarnate and learn these lesson in a physical form must offer some advantage over our other forms of existence, I'm assuming that nobody forced us to incarnate to learn these lessons. Nobody forced us to apply the free will that we do have. Another biggie. So there must be a reason for us chosing to come down here, manifest in a physical way and learn these lessons.

Of course nobody is thanking the Psycho for going on a killing spree, he did wrong out of his own free will but yet we all will pay the price for the lesson.
And we also have the free will to develop from these points on. Look at humanity as total and where and if we have progressed. What are we seeking? Bliss? Nirvana? The feeling of eternal being stoned over the River Styx?
We chose these lessons, we could have just stayed "up there" but apparently nothing's static, all things progress one way or another. The sun will implode, people learn.
 
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