LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[Graf]

It´s not an act. Some of us know more than others. I was around many times after 2000.

You weren't with him...At all..You can't just say "He was never with anyone" because you were outside of the building he was at..Sorry but where's the logic in that?

 

[moodyblue97]

Stalking him does not mean you were around. Making noise outside his hotel room does not mean you were around

Haha, I´m not a follower. I never went on boards before he passed, I came here to find comfort. I have never interact with fans before.

I met him several times thru my work, I don´t claim to know him or anything. But he talked, a lot. And I was invited to his home. I´m used to people like you and it´s really no idea to argue with you because you would never believe me, even if I showed you photos or anything.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Haha, I´m not a follower. I never went on boards before he passed, I came here to find comfort. I have never interact with fans before.

I met him several times thru my work, I don´t claim to know him or anything. But he talked, a lot. And I was invited to his home. I´m used to people like you and it´s really no idea to argue with you because you would never believe me, even if I showed you photos or anything.

Even if you are speaking the truth, you can still not know how many times and who he's dated. You were not around him 24/7.

 

[Krshna28]

Watched it...........Unconvinced!!!!!!!!


End of the day........she wasn't there when Michael was in real need of a friend............

..........If you want to know what Michael was really like then I suggest you ask Liz Taylor.....because I have yet to find some who really cared for Michael and understood him like she did/does!!!!!!!

 

[Petrarose]

You have got to be kidding me

^^I know, right. It seems many of you were really interested in Michael's love life with Lisa, so to those of you the interview is oh so wonderful, romantic, lovely, peachy and sweet.
To others, the focus is on clearing Michael's name of much untruths--and to that group of people there is no need to throw a party. I am still waiting for someone to say NO he did not do that with children; NO he was not on D---- at that time. I wish Lisa well and I am waiting for information that is based on facts and looking forward to the day when I will not have to keep on defending Michael all the time.

 

[prettygirlmj]

Your post makes me smile. This is what it is about and I think what Lisa hoped. She wanted to make amends for the past to his fans. I don't think she owed us or ANYONE that other than MJ. But she gave it to us.

Let's let all the hate and bitterness go. People want to pick apart the interview and say whether or not she was lying. Talking about we'd never know. Even if he was alive MJ would've never talked about her. So we still would never have his side.

It's clear they loved each other. They both did crap that was hurtful to each other. I understand why he'd push her way and I get why she'd walk away and then eventually push him away. It was like a merry-go-round. At some point you have to get off.

Her interview really shook me because she wasn't wearing a mask this time and admitted her mistakes and the truth at how long she really was with Michael. Some found it offensive that she admitted to be with Michael while married to Debbie, but come on. We all can see where this wonderful man's heart *might* have been at. Lisa gave him the love he always wanted, not having to worry if she was only with him for his money(which she wasn't, she left with none of his money as he said in the Rabbi tapes) and Debbie gave him the most beautiful gifts he wanted (His kids) so I think both women were special to Michael in different ways. All this wife 1 versus wife 2 needs to stop. Enough is enough.


Anyway, It's like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I was so angry with this woman for so many years and all of a sudden her interview today just made me throw all that hate away. I sent Lisa a message on Facebook and she replied quickly thanking me.

It's time to forgive and forget. That's what Michael was all about.

 

[StacyJ]

Watched it...........Unconvinced!!!!!!!!


End of the day........she wasn't there when Michael was in real need of a friend............

..........If you want to know what Michael was really like then I suggest you ask Liz Taylor.....because I have yet to find some who really cared for Michael and understood him like she did/does!!!!!!!

Yep!!!! I agree

 

[moodyblue97]

Even if you are speaking the truth, you can still not know how many times and who he's dated. You were not around him 24/7.

No I wasn´t but I know people who were and I do know what he said. And I do know about a few he went on dates with around 2002.

It´s nothing wrong really, I felt sorry for him, he really wanted a companion in his life.

 

[Justthefacts]

Haha, I´m not a follower. I never went on boards before he passed, I came here to find comfort. I have never interact with fans before.

I met him several times thru my work, I don´t claim to know him or anything. But he talked, a lot. And I was invited to his home. I´m used to people like you and it´s really no idea to argue with you because you would never believe me, even if I showed you photos or anything.

And I could care less if you saw him a lot or not. You still don't know what he did in his private life. No matter how many photos you show.

 

[StacyJ]

Her interview really shook me because she wasn't wearing a mask this time and admitted her mistakes and the truth at how long she really was with Michael. Some found it offensive that she admitted to be with Michael while married to Debbie, but come on. We all can see where this wonderful man's heart *might* have been at. Lisa gave him the love he always wanted, not having to worry if she was only with him for his money(which she wasn't, she left with none of his money as he said in the Rabbi tapes) and Debbie gave him the most beautiful gifts he wanted (His kids) so I think both women were special to Michael in different ways. All this wife 1 versus wife 2 needs to stop. Enough is enough.


Anyway, It's like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I was so angry with this woman for so many years and all of a sudden her interview today just made me throw all that hate away. I sent Lisa a message on Facebook and she replied quickly thanking me.

It's time to forgive and forget. That's what Michael was all about.

So this interview made you forget all the awful things she said about MJ when he was struggling to survive? and what was she thanking you for?

 

[Justthefacts]

No I wasn´t but I know people who were and I do know what he said. And I do know about a few he went on dates with around 2002.

It´s nothing wrong really, I felt sorry for him, he really wanted a companion in his life.

Unless you were with Michael 24 hours a day seven days a week you have no clue what he did in his private life.

 

[moodyblue97]

Re: LMP Back on Oprah This Thursday

And I could care less if you saw him a lot or not. You still don't know what he did in his private life. No matter how many photos you show.

But I do, believe it or not

 

[moodyblue97]

Unless you were with Michael 24 hours a day seven days a week you have no clue what he did in his private life.

Yes, I do have clue. You don´t just believe it and that´s okay really.

 

[prettygirlmj]

So this interview made you forget all the awful things she said about MJ when he was struggling to survive? and what was she thanking you for?

We are all human with flaws. We all make mistakes. That is all I am saying.

As far as my anger with Lisa, that's gone. I'm done walking around with anger. I'm done.

That's all I have to say.

 

[Justthefacts]

Yes, I do have clue. You don´t just believe it and that´s okay really.

You are right I don't believe you. And even if you did know Michael how dare you come to a message board and blab about him? Makes you no better then Klein, Lester, Rowe and the rest of those bottom feeders

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

It was said by a member here awhile ago...that if they had still been together, Lisa probably was that person to say NO to the yes-men, to the leeches and vampires as she calls them. If only Lisa had reached out back to him in 2005, who knows they might have got back together or simply stayed very good friends, someone for him he could count on. Damn...

 

[bluetopez]

The only thing that shocked me in that interview was seeing and hearing her FINALLY admit they was still together after their divorce! Something I knew and others for oh so long!

Didn't like her defense of the allegations and her guessing games of was he on drugs at this time or that time B.S! I never cared for lisa before he married her cause I didn't even know who she was until he did lol, and after the marriage I really didn't like her!

I cried when she said MJ ask if she still loved him and she was indifferent about it...ouch and damn that hurt!But, she still was hurt by the breakup and still loved him and she couldn't admit it to him she was scared and didn't trust him I guess!?

Over all I'm glad she admitted her faults too but, I still not a fan of hers and never will be period! I not to keen on people who realize what they got until it's gone! Simply, cause that's not me! It's hard for me to get over her bashing of him during the trial because she was being selfish and to know he was reaching out to her during that trial....*SIGH*! =,(

Anyways...It is what it is! May he rest in peace! =,(

 

[mistermaxxx]

nothing was proved. seems like both her and Oprah were trying to clean up there negative takes on MJ in years passed.

didn't get much out of this at all.

 

[Lucilla]

Why couldnt Lisa say "He was not a child abuser"
and put Oprah to bed with her notions that he was. Do u see what i'm sayin' ? Justice!!

I'm sure Lisa saw all the sick children visit neverland, like that girls story, posted in the forums, that had cancer, and how Michael affected her familys life in such a positive way.
.

THIS.

I hate that answer: "I wasn't in the room"
WTF was that!!!!


She supposedly knows better, why didn't take a few seconds to defend him in that question? I just can't understand.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

THIS.

I hate that answer: "I wasn't in the room"
WTF was that!!!!


She supposedly knows better, why didn't take a few seconds to defend him in that question? I just can't understand.

Exactly, or the many hospitals they both visited to support the sick children, the many charities he supported and basically his main goal in life, to cure children, support them. If they talked so much as she said...no doubt Michael explained his goal to her, his dream...which is this. Nope i don't get that from Lisa one bit.

maybe a good question for Lisa on her facebook?

 

[ivy]

I know all of Lisa's previous interviews and I didn't like what she said in them at all.

But to be honest after Michael's passing and reading her blog, I wondered if she had been " a woman who loved too much and who was hurt too much". I personally have been in a relationship that I loved way too much but also very much hurt by the opposite side. When the relationship was over the only thing I can do to deal with how hurt I was, was to turn the love to hate and try to hurt back the person that hurt me. It took me a lot of years and another relationship to realize this, stop the cycle and move along.

About clarity : I believe the above experience that I wrote is what Lisa is mentioning by clarity. Michael's death made her realize the reasons why she did what she did and that she loved him. It was also good to see that she acknowledged that she didn't act and talk in a very good way in the previous interviews.

About seeing him 4 years after the divorce: we the fans had already knew this but for non fans this sets the record straight. It wasn't a short term sham marriage, it was a long term real relationship.

This also made me have more respect towards Debbie. I don't think Michael loved Debbie madly deeply truly and their relationship was solely about the kids. When Michael was married to Debbie but still seeing Lisa and the press was bringing it up, Debbie was covering for Michael. That's one unselfish and loving woman in my book. I respect Debbie for giving Michael two precious kids and defending him no matter what (and how hurtful it might be)

Was Lisa Michael's first? : I didn't get that Lisa claimed to be first and/or last and/or only woman in Michael's life. I felt that she said before her "Michael dated woman but he didn't have any serious relationships and/or significant woman in his life". Not having a serious relationship doesn't mean not having sex.

1995 collapse and drug issue : I'll classify this as her opinion. The doctor who treated Michael - by the way he was the on duty emergency doctor - not a personal or on payroll doctor - gave a detailed interview about Michael's hospital visit. He says that he didn't have any drugs in his system. ( see this if you are interested in his interview : http://www.michaeljackson.com/uk/node/820899)

Dermatologist visits and drugs : another oh no moment. I don't know anyone watched Arnie Klein on TMZ Live some time back. He said that the gave Michael face (fillers and botox) and head injections (for the burn) and they are very painful. He gave pain medication for those which of course affected him. So it wasn't a drug use per se, it was the effects of drugs for painful medical procedures.

About the dare : My understanding was that Lisa said to Michael "choose either me or those people/ doctors and if you don't choose me I'm gone" - that's the dare and Michael didn't respond it in a way she expected.

About baby and custody : I cannot understand how a person who was so in love and thought that this was gonna last forever can think about a future custody battle when thinking about a baby. So perhaps Lisa rushed into the relationship - the stuff she said about her first husband also kinda supports this.

About accusations : A lot of people get asked this question and a lot of them respond that it's not the truth, he couldn't do it, he was innocent, he was like a child etc. Lisa's "I haven't seen anything but I wasn't in the room so who knows" was one of the worst comments I have seen.

Last conversation : Interesting choice of words here , she said last "coherent" conversation. What does she mean by it? Were there incoherent conversations as well?

About Oprah : First of all this was definitely done for ratings. We learned that she pushed the interview idea to Lisa when hiking. Her surprised and I can't believe it look kinda annoyed me. Good that she didn't comment on any accusations but she made it very clear that she believes that Michael was an addict. So she still stays on my I don't like you list.

Overall it was a mixture - while it was good that a real relationship point was made, all those drugs talk was bad.

 

[Asedora]

Ok, finally what we got in the end:

1. Lisa loved him deeply and still loves him
2.Mike loved her deeply till 2005 at least
3.LMP was his wife and they had normal realtionships.

The rest does not matter because of the first 3. The case is closed and it is to to move on for each obsessed fan lol
THIS IS IT. IT IS OVER!

I am out of here waithing for Katherine's interview. I hope she will say something more important about the case and investigations in general. I am not convinced with the idea of a drug addict. I want justice for that man and the truth to be told and nothing else metters, period!

Everybody take care

 

[classic]

How about he wanted someone to talk to in 05? And let us not forget we only heard Lisa's side. And if we heard the things she said about him I am more then sure he heard it. How is she going to tell him to have his head on straight when dealing with the trial then she goes on her call Michael everything but a child of God tour? The two don't go together. Lisa did not admit anything that I and a bunch of others already knew. Telling someone you are indifferent to them is like saying I don't give a crap about you that would upset anyone.

Thanks for saying this. Michael was very strong not to ever go after her in the media; he could have totally showed her up for acting as if they did not see each other after the divorce but he did not. He could have thrown salt on any wounds that she already had but he did not despite his own hurt from the relationship.

Now that is maturity.

 

[mjscarousal]

nothing was proved. seems like both her and Oprah were trying to clean up there negative takes on MJ in years passed.

didn't get much out of this at all.

I know. I still have to see the interview for myself even though basically Ive read the transcripts.. I really dont see what the huge deal is because all that she had to say Im really not that surprised about.

Knew that Michael married Debbie just for the kids

Knew they were still seeing eachother after they were seperated

Knew kids were a big issue for them both

They loved each other

Michael was himself and was different around her

So not to much she said was surprising. I just dont understand why it had to take the passing of Michael for her to speak positively about him. It just is so fake to me. It doesnt matter how sincere she might have been.. saying it now really means nothing. To me, its just another jumping on the bandwagon because if someone really means that much to you, you would not trash them or act "indifferent"

 

[mysterygirl7]

THIS.

I hate that answer: "I wasn't in the room"
WTF was that!!!!


She supposedly knows better, why didn't take a few seconds to defend him in that question? I just can't understand.

Ditto

 

[SimplyMagic]

^^I know, right. It seems many of you were really interested in Michael's love life with Lisa, so to those of you the interview is oh so wonderful, romantic, lovely, peachy and sweet.
To others, the focus is on clearing Michael's name of much untruths--and to that group of people there is no need to throw a party. I am still waiting for someone to say NO he did not do that with children; NO he was not on D---- at that time. I wish Lisa well and I am waiting for information that is based on facts and looking forward to the day when I will not have to keep on defending Michael all the time.

Exactly! I don't understand why a lot of people here are excited about this interview. NOTHING really changed! Trust me when I tell you that the world tuned in to see this interview to hear about the molestation charges and drug addiction, NOT their supossedly love story (they could care less). When she answered these two questions, she basically reaffirmed their beliefs...........that Michael WAS a drug addict and WAS capable of molesting a child.

 

[144000]

I know all of Lisa's previous interviews and I didn't like what she said in them at all.

But to be honest after Michael's passing and reading her blog, I wondered if she had been " a woman who loved too much and who was hurt too much". I personally have been in a relationship that I loved way too much but also very much hurt by the opposite side. When the relationship was over the only thing I can do to deal with how hurt I was, was to turn the love to hate and try to hurt back the person that hurt me. It took me a lot of years and another relationship to realize this, stop the cycle and move along.

About clarity : I believe the above experience that I wrote is what Lisa is mentioning by clarity. Michael's death made her realize the reasons why she did what she did and that she loved him. It was also good to see that she acknowledged that she didn't act and talk in a very good way in the previous interviews.

About seeing him 4 years after the divorce: we the fans had already knew this but for non fans this sets the record straight. It wasn't a short term sham marriage, it was a long term real relationship.

This also made me have more respect towards Debbie. I don't think Michael loved Debbie madly deeply truly and their relationship was solely about the kids. When Michael was married to Debbie but still seeing Lisa and the press was bringing it up, Debbie was covering for Michael. That's one unselfish and loving woman in my book. I respect Debbie for giving Michael two precious kids and defending him no matter what (and how hurtful it might be)

Was Lisa Michael's first? : I didn't get that Lisa claimed to be first and/or last and/or only woman in Michael's life. I felt that she said before her "Michael dated woman but he didn't have any serious relationships and/or significant woman in his life". Not having a serious relationship doesn't mean not having sex.

1995 collapse and drug issue : I'll classify this as her opinion. The doctor who treated Michael - by the way he was the on duty emergency doctor - not a personal or on payroll doctor - gave a detailed interview about Michael's hospital visit. He says that he didn't have any drugs in his system. ( see this if you are interested in his interview : http://www.michaeljackson.com/uk/node/820899)

Dermatologist visits and drugs : another oh no moment. I don't know anyone watched Arnie Klein on TMZ Live some time back. He said that the gave Michael face (fillers and botox) and head injections (for the burn) and they are very painful. He gave pain medication for those which of course affected him. So it wasn't a drug use per se, it was the effects of drugs for painful medical procedures.

About the dare : My understanding was that Lisa said to Michael "choose either me or those people/ doctors and if you don't choose me I'm gone" - that's the dare and Michael didn't respond it in a way she expected.

About baby and custody : I cannot understand how a person who was so in love and thought that this was gonna last forever can think about a future custody battle when thinking about a baby. So perhaps Lisa rushed into the relationship - the stuff she said about her first husband also kinda supports this.

About accusations : A lot of people get asked this question and a lot of them respond that it's not the truth, he couldn't do it, he was innocent, he was like a child etc. Lisa's "I haven't seen anything but I wasn't in the room so who knows" was one of the worst comments I have seen.

Last conversation : Interesting choice of words here , she said last "coherent" conversation. What does she mean by it? Were there incoherent conversations as well?

About Oprah : First of all this was definitely done for ratings. We learned that she pushed the interview idea to Lisa when hiking. Her surprised and I can't believe it look kinda annoyed me. Good that she didn't comment on any accusations but she made it very clear that she believes that Michael was an addict. So she still stays on my I don't like you list.

Overall it was a mixture - while it was good that a real relationship point was made, all those drugs talk was bad.

do you think it's really fair to say he didn't really deeply love Debbie Rowe? maybe none of us understand that kind of a relationship.

 

[StacyJ]

Exactly! I don't understand why a lot of people here are excited about this interview. NOTHING really changed! Trust me when I tell you that the world tuned in to see this interview to hear about the molestation charges and drug addiction, NOT their supossedly love story (they could care less). When she answered these two questions, she basically reaffirmed their beliefs...........that Michael WAS a drug addict and WAS capable of molesting a child.

oh really? well I didn't watch it and if she reaffirmed that why is everyone so excited?

 

[Joyce]

Quote:
Originally Posted by moodyblue97
Haha, I´m not a follower. I never went on boards before he passed, I came here to find comfort. I have never interact with fans before.

I met him several times thru my work, I don´t claim to know him or anything. But he talked, a lot. And I was invited to his home. I´m used to people like you and it´s really no idea to argue with you because you would never believe me, even if I showed you photos or anything.
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Whether you know it or not, you are now on a fan board and are a fan. That large MOONWALKER sign/signature is nice and also the gif.....those things = FAN...so, from one fan to another...Welcome.

Regarding the interview...it was interesting. But, I always go back to MJs words saying don't listen to what anyone says or writes, listen only to him, and he pretty much said it all in the Schmuley tapes when it comes to who he loved and how he felt about LMP.

I guess now when it comes to LMP, I am just "Indifferent"!

 

[Petrarose]

oh really? well I didn't watch it and if she reaffirmed that why is everyone so excited?

I do not Know Stacy J. All I can say is maybe many people are romantic and what to know what happened in Michael's bedroom with Lisa, so their main focus is on that. I wish Michael's main problem in the media was about whether his marriage was real, who walked out first, who had sex first, etc., but you and I and some others know that it is much deeper than that!!