LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[athina_livadi]

She is a very good actress that's all I will say!
I hope she keeps her promise and NEVER talk about Michael again!

 

[djlf]

I dont know about all u folks, but that interview has left me heartbroken. I found Oprah's methods of questioning highly dubious at times. I just wish that the people who shared his life would just be brutally honest for once. Why couldnt Lisa say "He was not a child abuser"
and put Oprah to bed with her notions that he was. Do u see what i'm sayin' ? Justice!! Its obvious that she knew him better than anyone, that they loved each other deeply - and yet a reluctance to say what Michaels heart and soul was really like persisted because of the line of questioning - constantly going back to the "drugs" - Oprah bringing up the Bashir interview etc - There was so much more to the mans life - I'm sure Lisa saw all the sick children visit neverland, like that girls story, posted in the forums, that had cancer, and how Michael affected her familys life in such a positive way.
Seems to me that the only person to express total honesty since he died is Paris, his daughter."The best daddy you could ever imagine". Stick that in your pipe Oprah and smoke it.

 

[MsCassieMollie]

Lisa Marie is now trending on Twitter. Seems like everyone is talking about this.

I know....

 

[moodyblue97]

There was no blanket when they broke up

and?

For the record, that letter showed up a long time ago, when he was alive and it turned out to be fake. They put together things he wrote to make it look like a love letter. And he was terrible at spelling. It really look like his handwriting though.
Why it surface again is a mystery

 

[Tipareth]

I think the same about how Michael looked during promoting Invincible, when he was in that blue suit. Or when he was around Uri Geller, when he was holding a stick, those times he really looked different. Almost tired like really...

simple - cortizone & prednisone both used in lupus.

Side effects - take in pounds, looking bloated, appear dizzy, sleepy, heavy eyelids.

 

[JMie]

There was no blanket when they broke up

I don't want to go too much off-topic here. But by 2005 Michael already had Blanket. I know it's pure speculation on my part and I don't want to force my opinion on anyone... But I just needed to share this thought....

Anytime I see a picture of Michael's casket it breaks my heart. I hope this okay to ask and I don't mean this in a mean way but just out of curiousity. Why would someone want a picture taken of them with a casket? I wouldn't want that. I am just wondering generally speaking.

Not that I'm defending her, but the photo could have just been taken by a hired photographer who simply was taking photos of the service in general. And Michael;s family could have given this photo to Lisa later... I find it hard to believe she would pose next to the casket on purpose..... It's not right....

 

[TurtleDove]

Here's my review (as posted on another site) so not to write it all over again:

I am still in tears. I didn't think I was actually going to cry during Lisa's interview.

Lisa finally spoke the truth and Oprah asked some good questions. I nearly jumped off my couch when Lisa FINALLY admitted that they were still seeing each other four years after the divorce and "traveling the world". She never admit that before. Never. She admitted she made mistakes. She admitted her marriage to MJ broke her family apart (Precilla). She admitted she was bitter and angry in the past. She admitted her interview about Michael in the past were angrily bitter and balky. She admitted it was hard to be with her and MJ had to put up with her and vise versa. She made him human.

She also (which shocked me) said MJ told her someone wanted to kill him for his catalogue.

She didn't paint Michael as a junkie. Just what she saw at the time she was married to him and afterwards what she saw in the Bashir interview. I actually believe her because I recall seeing the bashir interview and thinking there was something off about Michael in that studio conversation with Bashir. He was "high as a Kite" as Lisa said, and I knew it.

All and all I am satisfied with the interview and all the anger I had with Lisa on and off over the years slipped away. That's buried somewhere now. Death really changes us. It changed me and I can see it changed Lisa. I can see her pain in her eyes. This was the most sincere interview she has ever done. Not even the Jackson's have ever done a sincere interview like this.

Last but not least, did anyone notice the sunflowers?

and this image of Lisa by his casket had me on the fucking floor crying.

Anyway, that's my take on it. I don't hold any anger or grudge with Lisa anymore. It's time to move on and forgive.

Your post makes me smile. This is what it is about and I think what Lisa hoped. She wanted to make amends for the past to his fans. I don't think she owed us or ANYONE that other than MJ. But she gave it to us.

Let's let all the hate and bitterness go. People want to pick apart the interview and say whether or not she was lying. Talking about we'd never know. Even if he was alive MJ would've never talked about her. So we still would never have his side.

It's clear they loved each other. They both did crap that was hurtful to each other. I understand why he'd push her way and I get why she'd walk away and then eventually push him away. It was like a merry-go-round. At some point you have to get off.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

Anytime I see a picture of Michael's casket it breaks my heart. I hope this okay to ask and I don't mean this in a mean way but just out of curiousity. Why would someone want a picture taken of them with a casket? I wouldn't want that. I am just wondering generally speaking.

It looks like a security camera angle, actually. And there are boatloads of security cameras around, too. Could be wrong though. Also hired photographers are not going around asking if you could please look there way- they discreetly try to take pictures that in that moment nobody wants- but later on everybody wants to have the last memento.

A friend once asked me to take pictures of both casket and body for her. somebody she loved very much. Was one of the most difficult things I have EVER done in my life, but for some it's necessary to do, yes.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

I dont know about all u folks, but that interview has left me heartbroken. I found Oprah's methods of questioning highly dubious at times. I just wish that the people who shared his life would just be brutally honest for once. Why couldnt Lisa say "He was not a child abuser"
and put Oprah to bed with her notions that he was. Do u see what i'm sayin' ? Justice!! Its obvious that she knew him better than anyone, that they loved each other deeply - and yet a reluctance to say what Michaels heart and soul was really like persisted because of the line of questioning - constantly going back to the "drugs" - Oprah bringing up the Bashir interview etc - There was so much more to the mans life - I'm sure Lisa saw all the sick children visit neverland, like that girls story, posted in the forums, that had cancer, and how Michael affected her familys life in such a positive way.
Seems to me that the only person to express total honesty since he died is Paris, his daughter."The best daddy you could ever imagine". Stick that in your pipe Oprah and smoke it.

I AGREE!!! When Oprah asked that...i was so hoping for Lisa to simply say, I knew Michael, i saw how he was around children, he wasn't like this, he could never do this to a child. She actually said it wouldn't be fair to claim it's not true, the only thing that is not fair is what they did to this man, THAT is not fair.

But it is what it is, i just don't understand how one wouldn't simply say 'NO WAY that he did it....' ah well.

simple - cortizone & prednisone both used in lupus.

Side effects - take in pounds, looking bloated, appear dizzy, sleepy, heavy eyelids.

Ah right, i didn't know that. Jesus man...this guy really didn't had the most luck in life with all those ilnesses and accidents, sigh

 

[Alma]

The bad parts of this interview… Her mentioning the 1995 collapse, and her displaying such a lack of knowledge, empathy, and reason altogether, for she said the collapse was due to drugs. Not ‘cause of overworking himself and dedicating himself for the many people he was going to entertain and have a responsibility to. No, non of that.

Then her mentioning injections and all the discussion about that, alluding/if not, screaming of addictions.

The fact that only him dying made her realize who he really was, what was lost..

The reason she gave for ending her marriage with Michael: she says it was her telling to chose between drugs and ‘empires’, and her. That was pride involved, she’s full of pride, and the reason the marriage ended was because his heart couldn’t bare the betrayal he suffered because she didn’t want to be the mother of his children.

The Elvis-Michael parallel, and how their fate was the same. Off again, and wrong again. I won’t redelve into it. The fact that she now speaks “with utmost respect and love” now about him, and didn’t do it when he was alive.

How she repeatedly says that “I’ve never felt so high and intoxicated in my life”, “I’ve never felt that way about any other human being, except for my father”. How must her husband feel when he hears that, however understanding and sympathetic and kind one can be. How one feels when hearing such things? How she said that the other dates in his life were never profound. How would she know that? Diana Ross, for instance, was the love of his life, his first love, which he very often admitted.

If, when accepting to marry Michael and after, she felt her marriage was going to last forever, how could she think they could be together without creating their own family? How could she think he would not want children, when he loved them more than anything else in the world? For him to be that endearing and when with him, you felt like taking care of him, as she says, how could she, as a wife, not want to start a family with him, if she loved him so much? How she says him having Debbie’s children was a retaliating thing on behalf of him. How could that be, when he was so hurt, and found a friend of many years willing to make him a father. He was beyond hurt, and, on top of that, aching to be a father and mother and show them the love he never really felt. He had children with a good friend, not just a somebody else, since Lisa wasn’t willing. I understand her hurt, but the love for purity was stronger and it triumphed. That is too rare a quality. It was good to hear her say “I understand him so well now”… and that “He, honestly, tried so hard and went through so much with me and I know now when I look back”, and that “I really admire him that he gave it a real shot’. Despite her being so full of pride and stubborn, Michael was still trying to give her a chance, like he gave everything a chance. Why realize this now? I know I say, ‘Better late than never’. But he needed to hear those words for himself. He hungered for the simplicity of the depth of such moments, they held him and nurtured him, the little things.

Then the ‘drugs and doctors’ thing again. How could she be not even opinionated, but certain when speaking of his drug use and all? Saying he was ‘high as a kite’, or that he didn’t have a straight head, for instance.. Why would you say that? Doesn’t she care about what his children would feel when/if they listen to her talking of her deceased father that way, who can’t have his say now? In the Bashir documentary, and some other times, he wasn’t high, or high on recreational drugs. He wasn’t trying to get a fix. Those were side effects from painkillers, for the various pains he had, and there’s no proof that he abused them as in 1993. And if he did for a while, would it kill these people to show empathy? Would it kill Lisa Marie, a well-known former drug abuser, to show empathy, and to understand the kind of life he had, that other people wouldn’t be able to survive? And he lived it, with a smile, as well, no matter how broken. Children and innocence held him. But coldness and pride, the coldness and pride of other… that must have killed him so much. Coldness and pride and indifference always kill so much.

Or the fact that she honestly can’t say/doesn’t think he’s innocent for sure, because she wasn’t in that room and all that pitiful explanation and counterfeited profoundness. Is that how much she knew him? Is that how she wants people to remember him? Did she forget she is not actually sitting before a therapist in privacy, where one is free and urged to come clean about their feelings? I don’t care what she thinks, as well as I don’t care what others think, personally, but when choosing to speak for the public to see, you would, somehow, choose your words more carefully.

It is my humble opinion, based on all that, and the way she talks and the vibe I get from her is that her thinking is quite simplistic for somebody her age. She is starting to mature, she learned to admit to some mistakes, but she lacks serious basic things. She not once spoke about Michael’s feelings, or his pains, his joys. Just about her feelings and her perspective of him. Michael didn’t have a say in all this, he wasn’t present in all this, it was actually a hostile ghost or someone aloof and breakable. But not Michael. People keep loving to repeat how Michael was imperfect. He was imperfect, and everyone is, and everyone should know this and stop repeating it to avoid making a point weak. But he had an angelic soul and a sensitive soul, and that is that. That makes the whole difference.

I forgave her. She admitted some wrongdoing, and, even if she didn’t, I can’t throw rocks into someone who could use help dealing with life and their person. She is still a child mentally in a way, and her mind is full of confusion. She can have a good heart. But she has much more to do, and that is turn to God more. Before watching the interview… it hit me again in the heart like a steel rock: Michael’s absence. It hit hard again and something very close to June 25 happened to me. And after the interview was over… I was in pain again, over how some people, unfortunately many, were blessed/are blessed with so much, the best of life, and yet be so unhappy or ungrateful… Lisa has/had the best: her father, a talented, beautiful man, with a good heart, her current husband, a wonderful, selfless person, two new wonders of children… and Michael. This cuts so deep how unappreciative we can be, especially when we need to be. I didn't even want to ever post on a public forum again, but I feel like in a whirlwind of emptiness just thinking about all these hurtful things, like, they can’t be real..

 

[marebear]

I don't want to go too much off-topic here. But by 2005 Michael already had Blanket. I know it's pure speculation on my part and I don't want to force my opinion on anyone... But I just needed to share this thought....



Not that I'm defending her, but the photo could have just been taken by a hired photographer who simply was taking photos of the service in general. And Michael;s family could have given this photo to Lisa later... I find it hard to believe she would pose next to the casket on purpose..... It's not right....

I see. The reason I asked is because the only time I was around a casket was when my cousin died. It was open caket too and we had to go up and say goodbye. It was so uncomfortable for me and uneasy I wouldn't want my picture taken.

 

[moodyblue97]

Thanks ginvid. Yes, it really really really bothers me when people keep thinking LMP was Michael's first and only love.

To me, the way LMP suggested that she was Michael's first is belittling Michael. It's very similar to Oprah's question on Michael's virginity. I'm not saying there is anything wrong not having a sexual relationship before marriage. But, people keep attempting to belittle Michael by suggesting he was not able to be sexually involved with a woman. I'm truly bothered by how so many think Lisa Marie Presley was the first woman he touched. Give me a break! LMP was not the first nor she the last.

Read Moonwalk and research, then come to your own conclusion, instead of believing what the media told you. Again, just because the relationship with LMP was the only romantic relationship Michael made public doesn't mean she was the ONLY one.

I just have to ask. Are you people afraid that he didn´t have another after Lisa? Because he didn´t actually. He went on a few dates up until 2002. After he got Blanket he gave all of himself to his kids. And he certainly didn´t sleep around. For Michael sex came out of love. And he didn´t find that love, and that´s really sad. But he did fishing and he longed for someone to share his life with. But where should he have begun to look? After the trial he just lived for his kids.
He did have a secret relationship before Lisa and that´s the only secret he had. And it turned into a disaster for him. He turned himself out and in to protect her from the media.

 

[Vici]

i dont know what to make out of this interview.

i just still cant let go that certain ppl disrespected him when he was alive-and now when he is gone, they are singing another tune. i try to learn not to hold a grudge, but it is hard.

being a MJ fan have been hard, very very hard. and now post June 25h, its fashionable to love him again and understand him more again.

 

[MJStorm]

I dont know about all u folks, but that interview has left me heartbroken. I found Oprah's methods of questioning highly dubious at times. I just wish that the people who shared his life would just be brutally honest for once. Why couldnt Lisa say "He was not a child abuser"
and put Oprah to bed with her notions that he was. Do u see what i'm sayin' ? Justice!! Its obvious that she knew him better than anyone, that they loved each other deeply - and yet a reluctance to say what Michaels heart and soul was really like persisted because of the line of questioning - constantly going back to the "drugs" - Oprah bringing up the Bashir interview etc - There was so much more to the mans life - I'm sure Lisa saw all the sick children visit neverland, like that girls story, posted in the forums, that had cancer, and how Michael affected her familys life in such a positive way.
Seems to me that the only person to express total honesty since he died is Paris, his daughter."The best daddy you could ever imagine". Stick that in your pipe Oprah and smoke it.

We live in a world rotten and hypocritical. Let's be honest. Who cares about a bunch of kids with cancer visiting Neverland?? This does not give money and audience.

 

[marebear]

It looks like a security camera angle, actually. And there are boatloads of security cameras around, too. Could be wrong though. Also hired photographers are not going around asking if you could please look there way- they discreetly try to take pictures that in that moment nobody wants- but later on everybody wants to have the last memento.

A friend once asked me to take pictures of both casket and body for her. somebody she loved very much. Was one of the most difficult things I have EVER done in my life, but for some it's necessary to do, yes.

Thanks. I have only been around a casket once in my life and it was difficult for me.

 

[Justthefacts]

I don't want to go too much off-topic here. But by 2005 Michael already had Blanket. I know it's pure speculation on my part and I don't want to force my opinion on anyone... But I just needed to share this thought....



Not that I'm defending her, but the photo could have just been taken by a hired photographer who simply was taking photos of the service in general. And Michael;s family could have given this photo to Lisa later... I find it hard to believe she would pose next to the casket on purpose..... It's not right....

I understand your thought but in 05 according to Lisa they already done sometime in 99 or 00. And that letter makes reference to blanket already being born.

 

[Justthefacts]

I just have to ask. Are you people afraid that he didn´t have another after Lisa? Because he didn´t actually. He went on a few dates up until 2002. After he got Blanket he gave all of himself to his kids. And he certainly didn´t sleep around. For Michael sex came out of love. And he didn´t find that love, and that´s really sad. But he did fishing and he longed for someone to share his life with. But where should he have begun to look? After the trial he just lived for his kids.
He did have a secret relationship before Lisa and that´s the only secret he had. And it turned into a disaster for him. He turned himself out and in to protect her from the media.

Unless you were there no way in hell you are going to know what Michael did in his private life. I mean really some of you act like you were looking over Michael's shoulder

 

[Graf]

Re: LMP Back on Oprah This Thursday

^ Agreed 1000% ,I really don't get why people do that..

 

[MJ TinkerBell]

Hello MJ Family,:wub::angel:

I just watched the Oprah interview with LMP 3 times and I am stunned and HAPPY!!

There was no reason for Us to fear from Lisa or Oprah !!

Lisa confirmed her LOVE for him and told Us her TRUTH about their LOVE STORY !!

She did LOVE him !! I believe her now !! She told the entire world on Oprah about their FULL SEX LIFE , the real arguments and the pain that poisoned it all !!!

It makes my heart swell to know finally that someone made LOVE TO Him that was truely in LOVE with HIM !! Can I ask for anything MORE !! It killed my heart to think he never experienced something so beautiful in the life of such a ANGEL !!

I knew the TRUTH would come out because I had a vision that it would !!

There is so much more for Us to learn about Michael, and it won't be on Oprah neither!!

It will come from the peple who LOVED him as he loved them !!

It is not surprising however that it comes from the LOVES of his life, though few and far between !!

It is coming from the woman that suffered in silence and pushed away the spotlight!!

They will be like Lisa Marie and keep their piece of him closer to them like we have !!

First Brooke now Lisa, both have been solidly in his corner COME WHAT MAY!!

Keep your eyes and ears open my Michael Family and let Us not be so sensitive to WHO is speaking the TRUTH like Lisa Marie has !!

I was terrified to hear what she was going to say about him, because I am highly protective of Him now, and I was not going to tolerate onje single negative word she was going to say about him !!

I wanted Oprah burned at the stake for daring to go there, on Michael !!

But then I saw the pain Lisa was in over him, and she is married now and still declared her love for Michael, she is not afraid nor shy about it !!

She doesn't need Us, Michael's Fan base to build her career !! I believe she will never talk about Michael again after this show airs, so the Media PIGS will never get what they want from her!! EVER !!

She was there for Us !! I got a message from the universe letting me know what was going to happen to Michael like I did ! I thought she was trying to manipulate Michael into Scientology as the Media reported..

MORE LIES!!!

Keep the Faith Family, we know OUR Michael a hell of alot better then that !! It's time to BELIEVE IT !!

I LOVE YOU AND MICHAEL YOU TODAY MORE THEN YESTERDAY !!:wub::agree::angel::timer::angel::wub::agree:

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

Re: LMP Back on Oprah This Thursday

edited

 

[JMie]

I understand your thought but in 05 according to Lisa they already done sometime in 99 or 00. And that letter makes reference to blanket already being born.

yes, but according to Lisa, they had a conversation in 2005 and he asked her if she still loved him. and when she said she was indifferent, he didn't like that word and he cried and couldn't understand. To me it proves that he still wasn't over Lisa, he still thought about her. Hell, he even referred to Elvis as his father-in-law when he was in Ireland in 2006 (or was it 2007?). That's why I think it could have been written after they stopped seeing each other..

But again, that's just my speculation.

 

[Justthefacts]

Hello MJ Family,:wub::angel:

I just watched the Oprah interview with LMP 3 times and I am stunned and HAPPY!!

There was no reason for Us to fear from Lisa or Oprah !!

Lisa confirmed her LOVE for him and told Us her TRUTH about their LOVE STORY !!

She did LOVE him !! I believe her now !! She told the entire world on Oprah about their FULL SEX LIFE , the real arguments and the pain that poisoned it all !!!

It makes my heart swell to know finally that someone made LOVE TO Him that was truely in LOVE with HIM !! Can I ask for anything MORE !! It killed my heart to think he never experienced something so beautiful in the life of such a ANGEL !!

I knew the TRUTH would come out because I had a vision that it would !!

There is so much more for Us to learn about Michael, and it won't be on Oprah neither!!

It will come from the peple who LOVED him as he loved them !!

It is not surprising however that it comes from the LOVES of his life, though few and far between !!

It is coming from the woman that suffered in silence and pushed away the spotlight!!

They will be like Lisa Marie and keep their piece of him closer to them like we have !!

First Brooke now Lisa, both have been solidly in his corner COME WHAT MAY!!

Keep your eyes and ears open my Michael Family and let Us not be so sensitive to WHO is speaking the TRUTH like Lisa Marie has !!

I was terrified to hear what she was going to say about him, because I am highly protective of Him now, and I was not going to tolerate onje single negative word she was going to say about him !!

I wanted Oprah burned at the stake for daring to go there, on Michael !!

But then I saw the pain Lisa was in over him, and she is married now and still declared her love for Michael, she is not afraid nor shy about it !!

She doesn't need Us, Michael's Fan base to build her career !! I believe she will never talk about Michael again after this show airs, so the Media PIGS will never get wat they want from her!! EVER !!

She was there for Us !! I got a message from the universe letting me know what was going to happen to Michael like I did ! I thought she was trying to manipulate Michael into Scientology as the Media reported..

MORE LIES!!!

Keep the Faith Family, we know OUR Michael a hell of alot better then that !! It's time to BELIEVE IT !!

I LOVE YOU AND MICHAEL YOU TODAY MORE THEN YESTERDAY !!:wub::agree::angel::timer::angel::wub::agree:

You have got to be kidding me

 

[noumene]

As I already thought at the time, I'm not questioning the legitimacy of her being angry, bitter and upset over the issues her and MJ had together, but nothing excuses the pubescent child act she put on to promote her career. Just like so many others, she kicked Michael at a time when he couldn't have been any lower. She would have saved herself sooo much trouble had she been honest or had she simply shut up. If she needed to vent and bitch about Michael, she could have done that with her friends, no need to spout her flem all over the media the way she did.

So it's all well and good to decide to speak the truth all of a sudden, and I do feel bad for her to some extent, but it's just too late. This is all stuff that should have been said when he was alive. There's nothing her words will change now, Michael's still gone forever. Again, if this interview was intended for her to "exorcise" her guilt, she could easily have done it in private. No need for the eye-watering Oprah drama. There's this huge paradox about her: on the one hand she craves privacy, on the other she has to go public about everything. I guess a lot of it has to do with her unusual upbringing under media scrutiny, but at her age I would have hoped for her to be a little more discerning.

And I do feel bad for Debbie Rowe and Michael's children. The public confirmation she made about her ongoing relashionship with MJ while he was legally married to DR was totally unnecessary. What will the kids be supposed to think of that later on? I guess you either have class or you don't.

So now she's got that off her chest, I hope she leaves the MJ subject alone for a very long while.

Thanks tragickingdom for uploading the video.

 

[moodyblue97]

Unless you were there no way in hell you are going to know what Michael did in his private life. I mean really some of you act like you were looking over Michael's shoulder

It´s not an act. Some of us know more than others. I was around many times after 2000.

 

[JMie]

Hello MJ Family,:wub::angel:

I just watched the Oprah interview with LMP 3 times and I am stunned and HAPPY!!

that's some huge font!

 

[Justthefacts]

yes, but according to Lisa, they had a conversation in 2005 and he asked her if she still loved him. and when she said she was indifferent, he didn't like that word and he cried and couldn't understand. To me it proves that he still wasn't over Lisa, he still thought about her. Hell, he even referred to Elvis as his father-in-law when he was in Ireland in 2006 (or was it 2007?). That's why I think it could have been written after they stopped seeing each other..

But again, that's just my speculation.

How about he wanted someone to talk to in 05? And let us not forget we only heard Lisa's side. And if we heard the things she said about him I am more then sure he heard it. How is she going to tell him to have his head on straight when dealing with the trial then she goes on her call Michael everything but a child of God tour? The two don't go together. Lisa did not admit anything that I and a bunch of others already knew. Telling someone you are indifferent to them is like saying I don't give a crap about you that would upset anyone.

 

[Justthefacts]

It´s not an act. Some of us know more than others. I was around many times after 2000.

Stalking him does not mean you were around. Making noise outside his hotel room does not mean you were around

 

[Ashtanga]

:sigh:

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

It´s not an act. Some of us know more than others. I was around many times after 2000.

I understand very well that we as real MJ fans know alot, more than many other fans would know of their idol. But lets be real now...he had that huge-ass place called Neverland, how can you EVER know how many dates with nice ladies he's had there or maybe traveled to places with them?

Simple answer, you can't.

Cause before this interview, i wasn't aware that the relationship between MJ and Lisa had been this good and real. Nor was i ever really interested in it, its their life, their privacy. MJ, like practically any person on this world apreciates his privacy...and that's why you will never know for sure how many ladies the good man has dated

 

[ginvid]

You have got to be kidding me

God, I am, so thankful for you. I was thinking the exact same thing. I have been thinking this so much while reading some of the comments here. I am so shocked at some of the things I have read that I can't help but stare at the screen in amazement rereading to see if maybe I got it wrong. but it was there just the same. Unbelieveable!

And we cannot forget MJ's own words to Schmuley in 2001. He said he closed his heart to her. he obviously moved on. She was the one that did not as shown from all of her bitternerss towards him. ALso, MJ was very sensitive. Knowing someone was completely writing you off, especially at a time when so many he thought were his friends were writing him off, must have been very hurtful to him. I am sure at this time period he cried many times at the betrayal of so many he was once intimate with. We really need to stop jumping from 0 to 100. Jeez!