LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[mj_obsession]

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StacyJ, are you obsessed with Lisa Marie? You have been repeating the same Gawd-damn thing over and over and over again. Take a break woman.

This whole LMP thing is exhausting. I have started skipping your post..because it's the same rambling ...you haven't contributed anything new to this discussion.

Haha you read my mind! :clapping:

 

[PCR]

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Of course, I have no idea what LMP is going to say, but if she goes like "oooohhhh I loved him all these years so much it hurts!" I will definitively believe she is either sick or simply has no shame.

Do we need some more sweet quotes from her about MJ to accept she bashed the man for so many years? Just in case, I would add:

[SIZE=-1]Presley knows that the world has never thought about her in quite the same way since her second marriage, her 1994 union with Michael Jackson. She is infuriated by this and by the notion that she wanted anything else out of it other than those things most people hope for in a marriage. "All I did get out of it was a shit storm," she says. "And I got out of it. Now people go, 'You seem somewhat sane, you seem pretty together -- what the hell was that all about?' It put a stigma on me. A 'What the hell was she thinking?' stigma."

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[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]After that first conversation, they were friends who talked. Then the child-abuse accusations surfaced, and Michael Jackson's world exploded. "That whole shit hit the fan," Presley recalls, "and he was quick to call me and tell me what his side of the story was, so it looked like an extortion situation. I believed him, because he was so convincing." She frowns wryly. "I don't know. . . . I just believed everything he said, for some reason.

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[SIZE=-1]Jackson was under attack, and it brought out Presley's protectiveness. "I got into this whole 'I'm going to save you' thing," she says. "I thought all that stuff he was doing -- philanthropy and the children thing and all this stuff -- was awesome, and maybe we could save the world together." She pauses. "OK. Hello. I was delusionary. I got some romantic idea in my head that I could save him and we could save the world."

[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]At this point she was still married, and they were yet to become girlfriend and boyfriend. "He called me a lot," she says. "Confided in me a lot. Which could be very manipulative -- I don't know. I hung out with him more, and I made the mistake of saying I was not happy in my marriage, and the courting started. And I left [my marriage] probably quicker than I would have, and that was probably one of the bigger mistakes of my whole life."
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[SIZE=-1]Their first surreal public appearance was opening the 1994 MTV Video Music Awards, during which -- as they stood center stage -- Jackson kissed her fully on the lips."That was not my idea, by the way," she says. "I was terrified. It was his manager's idea. I thought it was stupid. All of a sudden I became part of a PR machine."
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[SIZE=-1]It seemed like a blatant gimmick to prove -- to start with -- that he was straight.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]"Yeah, but again, I wasn't looking at it like that. See, if I had been, that wouldn't have ever happened."
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[SIZE=-1]Even stranger and more astonishing was the interview the married couple gave to Diane Sawyer in 1995, in which Presley steadfastly defended her husband, the genuineness of their relationship and his character. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]"I don't recognize who I was then, now, watching it," she says. "I was really in this lioness thing with him -- I wanted to protect him. Naive as all hell. I never thought for a moment that someone like him could actually use me for any reason like that. It never crossed my mind, and I don't know why -- I'm sure it crossed everybody else's." [/SIZE]
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Source: Rolling Stone (Apr.10, 2003) (http://lisamarie.at.infoseek.co.jp/lisa-RollingStoneCoverStory2003.htm)

It's all so simple.

She was manipulated by evil Michael Jackson!!!!!
It was never her fault. It was all MJ's!! That Michael, how could he?? :angry:

And the poor little innocent baby...

But well, eventually, she woke up from her dream and left Michael. Then she was totally ashamed of her falling for him, and decided to make it clear she was naive and, most of all, that her falling for him was MJ's fault, for he manipulated her by being kind, loving and the sweet guy he is.

Man... I can not blame the woman for falling for that man :girl_sigh:

 

[StacyJ]

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well for one thing I think this interview is unnecessary. Ok I won't say another word about this interview. I just hope you all be prepared to hear the worst from those two, and get ready to send them emails to their twitters and facebook pages because I have some kind of idea how this is going to be and it ain't going to be pretty.

 

[TinaG]

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MJ is the one who could have hated her or could have been pissed, it's not about us!

This is one of the best statements in this entire thread, in my opinion. :clapping:

I don't love LMP, nor do I hate her. I'm rather indifferent because she's just not that important to me. But as she was married to Michael, I am interested in what she has to say at this point, be it good or bad. If it's good, then that's great and kudos to her for showing some growth. If it's bad, then it just proves her true character and anyone here who hates her can revel in their I-told-you-so's.

The only other thing I can say is that there is, as the saying goes, a very thin line between love and hate. Lisa's feelings for Michael are no exception. Whatever she has said (or felt) before is not necessarily what she is going to say (or feel) now. Grief can change people. Deeply. And profoundly. For anyone to argue that point would indeed be a testament to the ignorance being attributed to anyone willing to give LMP a chance.

If you love LMP (or like or even just tolerate her), more power to you.

And if you hate her, so be it. That's your right...even if it is (IMO) kind of a waste of energy. But carry on. :cheeky:

That's just my :2cents:

 

[dearmichael1]

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Quote:


Even in trying to be candid, she finds it hard to settle on an answer, though in Rolling Stone, for instance, she talks enough about Jackson alone to fill a page. She felt sorry for him, especially after the child-abuse accusations came out, and was protective. And, yes, she said, they had sex. But she also points out that things got "ugly" at the end -- that he would sometimes disappear for weeks at a time.

In the rehearsal studio, it's clear that she regards the marriage as a horrible mistake.
She says her first husband, musician Danny Keough, is still a close friend. But that's not the case with Jackson.

What about the recent documentaries on Jackson? Does she feel sorry for all the public ridicule?
"I did see the British program, and it does look like he was set up," she responds. "But, no, I could never feel sorry for Michael Jackson."

 

[Topflux]

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She married him and she did not want children with Michael, thinking about custody battle? WTF she had in her head?
How he could still be with her and trust her love after that? And she wondered why he kicked her ass out?

I don't know where have you read those kind of things, but that sounds like tabloid.. Those words are somehow twisted. She did not want children with Michael THEN because she thought the marriage was too fresh, she already had two little kids, and she still had years to have children. She wasn't "thinking about the custody battle", but if she had had children with Michael then and there had been a divorce it IS the custody battle ahead. So Lisa would have liked to be Michael's wife for some years before having more children. Lisa also didn't want to adopt because she had those two kids. But MICHAEL wanted kids right away and that ended the marriage. It wasn't technically Lisa's fault at all because her reasons were understandable. Michael's reasons with his baby boom wasn't that much imo. The whole thing could have been prevented if they had agreed before they marry when they are planning children, but I think because Michael had said he is not into having his own children at all but more like adopting and because Lisa had two little kids, Lisa thought probably it's like obvious they don't have to hurry. When Michael wanted something he usually got it and that became the problem when Michael started his baby boom.. He became like obsessed to have kids then "right away".

I am not judging Michael on anything because I know that was his nature. Everything ("manipulating", having what you want, intuitive thinking in overall) came from his nature of a little kid. Michael and Lisa had kinda unique connection, but Michael was way more like a little kid. Lisa was more like a "young adult". Imagine like around 20 year old girl and 12 year old boy (who's smart and physically an adult) together. I would picture it like that..

 

[StacyJ]

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what a shame.. I can't believe the family had the nerve to invite her to his funeral after reading this stuff

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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I don't know where have you read those kind of things, but that sounds like tabloid.. Those words are somehow twisted. She did not want children with Michael THEN because she thought the marriage was too fresh, she already had two little kids, and she still had years to have children. She wasn't "thinking about the custody battle", but if he had had children with Michael then and there had been a divorce it IS the custody battle ahead. So Lisa would have liked to be Michael's wife for some years before having more children. Lisa also didn't want to adopt because she had those two kids. But MICHAEL wanted kids right away and that ended the marriage. It wasn't technically Lisa's fault at all because her reasons were understandable. Michael's reasons with his baby boom wasn't that much imo. The whole thing could have been prevented if they had agreed before they marry when they are planning children, but I think because Michael had said he is not into having his own children at all but more like adopting and because Lisa had two little kids, Lisa thought probably it's like obvious they don't have to hurry. When Michael wanted something he usually got it and that became the problem when Michael started his baby boom.. He became like obsessed to have kids then "right away".

seriously u know so much about their marriage ,what was going on their mind at that time .what lisa felt about her marriage ,u know even better then lisa herself.u must be that fly on the wall.
we all discuss every aspect of this ,now just take timeout and wait for interview.if u don't like her don't watch it,those who love her can go ahead and watch it.

 

[mj_obsession]

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what a shame.. I can't believe the family had the nerve to invite her to his funeral after reading this stuff

They obviously know more than us. Janet even hung out with her AFTER the divorce.



ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, REMEMBER THAT! :cheeky:

 

[AngieJ]

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StacyJ, are you obsessed with Lisa Marie? You have been repeating the same Gawd-damn thing over and over and over again. Take a break woman.

This whole LMP thing is exhausting. I have started skipping your post..because it's the same rambling ...you haven't contributed anything new to this discussion.

If you don't already know this poster is kaymon from the KOP board. This poster does nothing but spam MJ sites with thoughts about Lisa Marie.

 

[Butterfly26]

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Of course, I have no idea what LMP is going to say, but if she goes like "oooohhhh I loved him all these years so much it hurts!" I will definitively believe she is either sick or simply has no shame.

Do we need some more sweet quotes from her about MJ to accept she bashed the man for so many years? Just in case, I would add:



Source: Rolling Stone (Apr.10, 2003) (http://lisamarie.at.infoseek.co.jp/lisa-RollingStoneCoverStory2003.htm)

It's all so simple.

She was manipulated by evil Michael Jackson!!!!!
It was never her fault. It was all MJ's!! That Michael, how could he?? :angry:

And the poor little innocent baby...

But well, eventually, she woke up from her dream and left Michael. Then she was totally ashamed of her falling for him, and decided to make it clear she was naive and, most of all, that her falling for him was MJ's fault, for he manipulated her by being kind, loving and the sweet guy he is.

Man... I can not blame the woman for falling for that man :girl_sigh:

Wretched! Somebody needs to let the Lisa defenders on the Michael Jackson Fan Club forum know just what she said. The board feels like Elvis and LMP fan club than Michael's. Im reading this stuff above and it makes me violently ill. I did not watcvh it then and I will not ever watch her in the future. Just a wrecthed fraud!

 

[Topflux]

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They obviously know more than us. Janet even hung out with her AFTER the divorce.



ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, REMEMBER THAT! :cheeky:

You couldn't hang out with your brothers ex-wife if she's a nice person?

 

[FUJON]

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But MICHAEL wanted kids right away and that ended the marriage.

If she married him and such a thought about possible divorce visited her mind at once, just proving she didn't love him really deeply, nor she was able to understand him and devote her life, to be his wife.

She is like that little fly who tried to explore Universe and when she failed with it, she started to blame it on universe: ''It's too Big, too Deep... manipulating me? :bugeyed, confusing me :bugeyed... it's such bad universe, OMG :bugeyed, gonna run to my mom and to other b*tches in media and to tell them about horror i experienced :bugeyed''

 

[Topflux]

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If she married him and such a thought about possible divorce visited her mind at once, just proving she didn't love him really deeply, nor she was able to understand him and devote her life, to be his wife.

Where was it said that Lisa thought like that at the moment when they married? It was more like she started to think like that when Michael started to talk about children. And it wasn't about Michael that much but Lisa's past played a big part. Her past + two own little children + child or two together + Michael's public life and touring = DIVORCE (I think Lisa is not the only woman who would have thought like that at that moment?)

 

[8701girl]

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What gets me is surely she knew mj wanted kids, i mean that was all he talked bout in his interviews how much he wanted to be a dad.

 

[ginvid]

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According to MJ they had agreed that the first thing they would do was have children. Then after they were married, Lisa reneged.

 

[FUJON]

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What gets me is surely she knew mj wanted kids, i mean that was all he talked bout in his interviews how much he wanted to be a dad.

Sure. For what else to get marriage? To have wife, children, family.
If she was not ready for it, why she gave him false hopes and jumped into marriage? And then blamed him. :smilerolleyes:

 

[144000]

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Doesn't Oprah talk about molestation or abuse almost all the time? It doesn't mean anything. And has it been said already who will be on the show on Friday? It's like you can't take president Obama interview if on the same week there is talking about presidental assassinations.. I don't understand your points. You fans like dig until you find just something you can turn against Lisa (or Oprah). And you think that's helping somehow. One interview doesn't even mean anything to Michael's legacy or anything. Let's happy Michael is talked about no matter what it is because it keeps his legacy going.

if by that, you mean, negative talk, then you're holding a double standard.

 

[8701girl]

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Sure. For what else to get marriage? To have wife, children, family.
If she was not ready for it, why she gave him false hopes and jumped into marriage? And then blamed him. :smilerolleyes:

Thats what i mean, its just confuses me

 

[144000]

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You didn't understand I meant retiring from touring and dancing, not from the music. If people hadn't pressured him about touring, he wouldn't have done i.e. O2. But Michael was like when something was started it should have been ended 100% and perfectly. But he hinted in many public interviews himself what dreams he had still and what he would like to do and touring or massive performing wasn't included.. He had seen it all.

that much is true..

 

[diana79]

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Sure. For what else to get marriage? To have wife, children, family.
If she was not ready for it, why she gave him false hopes and jumped into marriage? And then blamed him. :smilerolleyes:

Maybe Lisa Marie will discuss this during the interview. I assume that she changed her mind. She thought she was ready to start a family with him. Then the excitement of the new marriage started to wear off, and she thought that they weren't ready yet. It happens.

 

[mj_obsession]

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You couldn't hang out with your brothers ex-wife if she's a nice person?

Of course I could, that's what I'm saying! People are treating her like Tom Sneddon for gods sake.

 

[callmerose]

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Wretched! Somebody needs to let the Lisa defenders on the Michael Jackson Fan Club forum know just what she said. The board feels like Elvis and LMP fan club than Michael's. Im reading this stuff above and it makes me violently ill. I did not watcvh it then and I will not ever watch her in the future. Just a wrecthed fraud!

Lisa Marie said some horrible, spiteful things about her marraige to Michael. I also know that she regretted the break up and was hurt and angry because when she wanted to get back together, he didn't. People sometimes say things they regret when they are angry. Her comments at that time were immature and hurtful. I am sure she regrets lashing out at him. Calling her a wretched fraud seems a bit harsh.

 

[Topflux]

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What gets me is surely she knew mj wanted kids, i mean that was all he talked bout in his interviews how much he wanted to be a dad.

Of course she knew. Usually people get married to have at least "some kind of" family.. But it can't be like that the other person after some time just becomes obsessed with it...after being married only 15 or 16 months. It's a negotiating issue.

 

[144000]

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Of course she knew. Usually people get married to have at least "some kind of" family.. But it can't be like that the other person after some time just becomes obsessed with it...after being married only 15 or 16 months. It's a negotiating issue.

who was obsessed?

 

[dearmichael1]

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I don't know where have you read those kind of things, but that sounds like tabloid.. Those words are somehow twisted. She did not want children with Michael THEN because she thought the marriage was too fresh, she already had two little kids, and she still had years to have children. She wasn't "thinking about the custody battle", but if she had had children with Michael then and there had been a divorce it IS the custody battle ahead. So Lisa would have liked to be Michael's wife for some years before having more children. Lisa also didn't want to adopt because she had those two kids. But MICHAEL wanted kids right away and that ended the marriage. It wasn't technically Lisa's fault at all because her reasons were understandable. Michael's reasons with his baby boom wasn't that much imo. The whole thing could have been prevented if they had agreed before they marry when they are planning children, but I think because Michael had said he is not into having his own children at all but more like adopting and because Lisa had two little kids, Lisa thought probably it's like obvious they don't have to hurry. When Michael wanted something he usually got it and that became the problem when Michael started his baby boom.. He became like obsessed to have kids then "right away".

I am not judging Michael on anything because I know that was his nature. Everything ("manipulating", having what you want, intuitive thinking in overall) came from his nature of a little kid. Michael and Lisa had kinda unique connection, but Michael was way more like a little kid. Lisa was more like a "young adult". Imagine like around 20 year old girl and 12 year old boy (who's smart and physically an adult) together. I would picture it like that..

You are so annyoing. These words were not twisted , she did say it in one of her many interviews from 2003- 2009. She also said She got out of that on, refering to having kids with him. You have an excuse for every hateful, idiotic, mean spirited, lie Lisa said about Michael.

 

[8701girl]

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:scratch:

Of course she knew. Usually people get married to have at least "some kind of" family.. But it can't be like that the other person after some time just becomes obsessed with it...after being married only 15 or 16 months. It's a negotiating issue.

True..

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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Of course I could, that's what I'm saying! People are treating her like Tom Sneddon for gods sake.

at least he was open about his hate .she is more like backstabbing b****.

 

[Topflux]

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You are so annyoing. These words were not twisted , she did say it in one of her many interviews from 2003- 2009. She also said She got out of that on, refering to having kids with him. You have an excuse for every hateful, idiotic, mean spirited, lie Lisa said about Michael.

Those are not "excuses". And I have not changed my words. I think no people will ever understand Michael's world because no one knows everything about it. They project "their world" with "his world" and think there were same "rules". In Michael's world it was something very different. It was from time to time almost like "own laws" in his world. Sometimes he recognized where he is living but sometimes he forgot that. When he forgot that it went extremely weird. Probably that made people think he is weird because they had never seen anything like that before from an adult. He wasn't actually "weird" but just a very unordinary and unique human being with an unique life history. Hundreds of times more unique than Lisa has.

Lisa has never lied about Michael. Lies mean something untrue.

 

[Ashtanga]

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Those are not "excuses". And I have not changed my words. I think no people will ever understand Michael's world because no one knows everything about it. They project "their world" with "his world" and think there were same "rules". In Michael's world it was something very different. It was from time to time almost like "own laws" in his world. Sometimes he recognized where he is living but sometimes he forgot that. When he forgot that it went extremely weird. Probably that made people think he is weird because they had never seen anything like that before from an adult. He wasn't actually "weird" but just a very unordinary and unique human being with an unique life history. Hundreds of times more unique than Lisa has.

Lisa has never lied about Michael. Lies mean something untrue.

:bugeyed