LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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:bugeyed

just keep on reading it ,ur eyes will pop out after some time :lol:

 

[Ashtanga]

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just keep on reading it ,ur eyes will pop out after some time :lol:

Yes.... or >

Oh God.... :doh: *big sigh*

 

[FUJON]

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If man loves woman and marry her, and wish to have children, family... to call it obsession?
If woman gave such a promise and hope, and then broke it, cuz she was not ready... to call him little kid?
So, who was immature and jumped into something on what was not ready for, even if promised it before?
And then tried to go back.. But too late. You can't go to other riverside of love if the bridge of trust & hope is burned already.

 

[MJsAngelOfMusic]

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just keep on reading it ,ur eyes will pop out after some time :lol:

Mine have popped out, rolled across the floor, and did back flips!:rolleyes2:

 

[dearmichael1]

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Those are not "excuses". And I have not changed my words. I think no people will ever understand Michael's world because no one knows everything about it. They project "their world" with "his world" and think there were same "rules". In Michael's world it was something very different. It was from time to time almost like "own laws" in his world. Sometimes he recognized where he is living but sometimes he forgot that. When he forgot that it went extremely weird. Probably that made people think he is weird because they had never seen anything like that before from an adult. He wasn't actually "weird" but just a very unordinary and unique human being with an unique life history. Hundreds of times more unique than Lisa has.

Lisa has never lied about Michael. Lies mean something untrue.

You are making excuses for her. She did contradict herself in many of the interviews. If the marriage was so bad like she said , why did she continue seeing afterwards? Michael wasn't Lisa's ex husband during the time of her interviews. Nick Cage was. They were married for what 3 months? By all accounts they didn't end on good terms. Not long after he got with a younger woman and got her pregnant. Wasn't she hurt ? By that time she and Michael had been divorced for a few years.

 

[mj_obsession]

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You are so annyoing. These words were not twisted , she did say it in one of her many interviews from 2003- 2009. She also said She got out of that on, refering to having kids with him. You have an excuse for every hateful, idiotic, mean spirited, lie Lisa said about Michael.

No love, YOU are the annoying one. At Least Topflux is trying to have an actual discussion rather than spread hate.

Those are not "excuses". And I have not changed my words. I think no people will ever understand Michael's world because no one knows everything about it. They project "their world" with "his world" and think there were same "rules". In Michael's world it was something very different. It was from time to time almost like "own laws" in his world. Sometimes he recognized where he is living but sometimes he forgot that. When he forgot that it went extremely weird. Probably that made people think he is weird because they had never seen anything like that before from an adult. He wasn't actually "weird" but just a very unordinary and unique human being with an unique life history. Hundreds of times more unique than Lisa has.

Lisa has never lied about Michael. Lies mean something untrue.

I understand exactly what you mean. Maybe word it a little better for the people that scan read a thread to then declare themselves at the end with yet more hate.

at least he was open about his hate .she is more like backstabbing b****.

That's completely ridiculous. "Backstabbing" would suggest Michael had actually done something for her prior to her talking about him. Please, know what you're talking about before you post words like that.

just keep on reading it ,ur eyes will pop out after some time :lol:

Again, can we have a discussion instead of snarky comments?

Oh, and please for the love of god don't remove this post. It's about time someone had a productive comment.

You are making excuses for her. She did contradict herself in many of the interviews. If the marriage was so bad like she said , why did she continue seeing afterwards? Michael wasn't Lisa's ex husband during the time of her interviews. Nick Cage was. They were married for what 3 months? By all accounts they didn't end on good terms. Not long after he got with a younger woman and got her pregnant. Wasn't she hurt ? By that time she and Michael had been divorced for a few years.

They are not excuses! Topflux is simply making unbiased comments and being fair to both sides.

Honestly, I end this conversation now. My conversations look like they are always endless here and don't lead anywhere. I just wouldn't like to hide anything but if you have to it's hard to tell about things clearly. I hope there will be times without pretending and hiding, and no one judge anyone about anything. I've made mistakes too so I understand if Michael, Lisa or anyone makes mistakes. We are human beings and no one is perfect, no matter how hard we try to... L.O.V.E.

Well said, I agree.

 

[Topflux]

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Honestly, I end this conversation now. My conversations look like they are always endless here and don't lead anywhere. I just wouldn't like to hide anything but if you have to it's hard to tell about things clearly. I hope there will be times without pretending and hiding, and no one judge anyone about anything. I've made mistakes too so I understand if Michael, Lisa or anyone makes mistakes. We are human beings and no one is perfect, no matter how hard we try to... L.O.V.E.

 

[dearmichael1]

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A discussion? Thats what you call it. He/She rather defend Lisa at the expense of Michael on his own Fan board. When presented with facts she dismisses it as tabloid stories when it came out of Lisa's own mouth. . Two peas in a pod.

 

[mj_obsession]

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A discussion? Thats what you call it. He/She rather defend Lisa at the expense of Michael on his own Fan board. When presented with facts she dismisses it as tabloid stories when it came out of Lisa's own mouth. . Two peas in a pod.

Oh nice! On the note of tabloid stories you seem to be into it too,

By all accounts they didn't end on good terms.

Unless of course, you know Nicolas Cage and Lisa personally? hmmm thought so.

 

[dearmichael1]

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You guys kill me. Its obvious you defend Lisa but you haven't read or heard many of the interviews his FANS speak of. If you did you wouldn't have these questions or dismiss it as tabloid because they came out of the horses mouth.

 

[mj_obsession]

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You guys kill me. Its obvious you defend Lisa but you haven't read or heard many of the interviews his FANS speak of. If you did you wouldn't have these questions or dismiss it as tabloid because they came out of the horses mouth.

I know exactly what she said. I have read and heard everything and she clearly resembles a bitter ex-wife. If you've been through a divorce you'll know that you say crazy hurtful things about your ex because you're so upset. I just think she never got over it. Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of the King of Rock "n" Roll, married to the King of Pop. Oh, now she's a failed musician with only her dad and ex husband to talk of! Wouldn't you be bitter? I'm not saying I agree with her but I do understand.

 

[Asedora]

Those are not "excuses". And I have not changed my words. I think no people will ever understand Michael's world because no one knows everything about it. They project "their world" with "his world" and think there were same "rules". In Michael's world it was something very different. It was from time to time almost like "own laws" in his world. Sometimes he recognized where he is living but sometimes he forgot that. When he forgot that it went extremely weird. Probably that made people think he is weird because they had never seen anything like that before from an adult. He wasn't actually "weird" but just a very unordinary and unique human being with an unique life history. Hundreds of times more unique than Lisa has.

Lisa has never lied about Michael. Lies mean something untrue.

Well, it is not easy to marry a genius. Lisa was thinking that she is going to marry just a wealthy Hollywood celebrity and became “Queen of Pop” and have fun till the rest of her life. And of course it did not work out because Lisa was not the one who was able to understand his Universe. The way how she speaks in public makes me think that she is not educated enough. Sorry for saying that but it is true.

Before marring Mike Lisa should read some books for example about Albert Einstein marriages and his women and to learn what to expect. These women did not have easy lives living beside a genius. No surprise that Lisa got pissed off with many things she had to face finally and then she decided to go public with ugly statements and complains against him. It was not a smart move either but that’s who she is.

To marry Albert Einstein, Mozart or Michael Jackson you have to be on very high level of ability to absorb and understand their “doubts and frustrations”. If you feel you cannot handle his “universe”, just leave him alone. It looks like Lisa still cannot do it if she goes to Oprah. What a circus! Dear Lord have a mercy… .

 

[marebear]

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I really don't think it will make a difference what Lisa says now. It's how I feel anyway. She has said plenty over the years and I think the best thing she could do is not talk about him anymore. Obviously she will be asked about Michael because that has happened to everyone who knew him.

 

[144000]

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Those are not "excuses". And I have not changed my words. I think no people will ever understand Michael's world because no one knows everything about it. They project "their world" with "his world" and think there were same "rules". In Michael's world it was something very different. It was from time to time almost like "own laws" in his world. Sometimes he recognized where he is living but sometimes he forgot that. When he forgot that it went extremely weird. Probably that made people think he is weird because they had never seen anything like that before from an adult. He wasn't actually "weird" but just a very unordinary and unique human being with an unique life history. Hundreds of times more unique than Lisa has.

Lisa has never lied about Michael. Lies mean something untrue.

how do you know Lisa has never lied about Michael? how do you or anybody have the ability to step inside of somebody else's head? how do you know the fullness of Michael's world? nobody, including you would like it, if somebody else claimed they knew the intricacies of your world.

 

[love is magical]

Well, it is not easy to marry a genius. Lisa was thinking that she is going to marry just a wealthy Hollywood celebrity and became “Queen of Pop” and have fun till the rest of her life. And of course it did not work out because Lisa was not the one who was able to understand his Universe. The way how she speaks in public makes me think that she is not educated enough. Sorry for saying that but it is true.

Before marring Mike Lisa should read some books for example about Albert Einstein marriages and his women and to learn what to expect. These women did not have easy lives living beside a genius. No surprise that Lisa got pissed off with many things she had to face finally and then she decided to go public with ugly statements and complains against him. It was not a smart move either but that’s who she is.

To marry Albert Einstein, Mozart or Michael Jackson you have to be on very high level of ability to absorb and understand their “doubts and frustrations”. If you feel you cannot handle his “universe”, just leave him alone. It looks like Lisa still cannot do it if she goes to Oprah. What a circus! Dear Lord have a mercy… .

Thank you. A very well said post.

 

[Ashtanga]

To marry Albert Einstein, Mozart or Michael Jackson you have to be on very high level of ability to absorb and understand their “doubts and frustrations”. If you feel you cannot handle his “universe”, just leave him alone.

:clapping:

 

[bluetopez]

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One thing I never liked what Lisa said (among many other things) was when she said on Access Hollywood she just had "an idea" not to have kids! That she knew it would be a custody battle if they did! O_O Like, seriously why was she thinking that way? If she didn't believe it could happen then why marry him and say u will have kids in the first place?...

Then when he does have kids (with another women) she tries to go back to him and then offer to have kids after all, according to MJ!
She makes no sense!

I am not looking forward to whatever she has to say again! Unless she plans to talk equally about her first husband and Nick Cage like she keep on doing to MJ over and over again?...YEA RIGHT! LOL

It's just ridiculous!!

 

[Asedora]

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Thank you. A very well said post.

You are very welcome. I just wanted to add something .... There is poll on this board somewhere which says: "Would you marry Michael Jackson?" Looking at statistic made me smile: more than 70% of fans would want to marry a genius.
Good luck! This is all what I can say.

 

[TinaG]

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[diana79]

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You are making excuses for her. She did contradict herself in many of the interviews. If the marriage was so bad like she said , why did she continue seeing afterwards? Michael wasn't Lisa's ex husband during the time of her interviews. Nick Cage was. They were married for what 3 months? By all accounts they didn't end on good terms. Not long after he got with a younger woman and got her pregnant. Wasn't she hurt ? By that time she and Michael had been divorced for a few years.

LMP clearly wasn't over Michael for years and years. It seems like she got over Nic Cage pretty quickly.

 

[IvoryKeys]

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Yea, pretty much.

 

[suzynyc]

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You are very welcome. I just wanted to add something .... There is poll on this board somewhere which says: "Would you marry Michael Jackson?" Looking at statistic made me smile: more than 70% of fans would want to marry a genius.
Good luck! This is all what I can say.

Yeah and I'm one of the ones who didn't choose yes (I think I chose "I don't know"). Because I'm sure being married to Michael Jackson probably wouldn't be very easy (same as being married to ME wouldn't be very easy...it would be misery, lol). He said it himself he's tough to pin down. People like to romanticize him but he was not perfect. He was a wonderfully talented entertainer and good humanitarian and did some great things but he had his flaws just like everybody. Lisa Maria is not perfect either (and yes, I've heard/read all her interviews and quotes). There are only 2 people who truly know the truth about their marriage and relationship.

My opinion on all this is whatevah. The past is the past. What's done is done. What's said is said. Time to move on. There comes a point when you just have to let go of the anger because it's all consuming, not to mention exhausting.

 

[144000]

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it's easy to talk about the negative. it's done all too often. once in a while, it's nice to romanticize about a human being the contributed a positive influence on the world. there's enough negativity that people say about people to last a thousand planet earths. it's nice to defend someone, who represented trying to make the world a better place, for a change. Michael did that. so we're trying to accentuate the positive, instead of letting people find one more person, yet again, to tear down. down in 2300 Jackson Street, Taj is talking about how his grandmother is going on Oprah to tell people the truth about Michael..in Oprah's face. that's all we want. and we don't want people to take away from that. perhaps people will listen to Taj, and the power he carries on behalf of family could help to galvanize us, and..yes..perhaps even cause people to listen to the fans' campaign, more, in the protection of MJ's legacy from ALL comers.

 

[PCR]

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I know exactly what she said. I have read and heard everything and she clearly resembles a bitter ex-wife. If you've been through a divorce you'll know that you say crazy hurtful things about your ex because you're so upset. I just think she never got over it. Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of the King of Rock "n" Roll, married to the King of Pop. Oh, now she's a failed musician with only her dad and ex husband to talk of! Wouldn't you be bitter? I'm not saying I agree with her but I do understand.

Sure, you are right in this. Every bitter ex wife/girlfriend/husband/mate/friend would do so. And most of us who have been in that position have done so!! We can't deny it

But one things is feeling bitter about the divorce a year, 3 years, 5 years, forever... and another different thing is to CASH on your bitterness towards that person over the years, knowing how much your bitter words will hurt that other person and his/her reputation around the world.

What if Michael had gotten tired of her bitter talk and had given us HIS version of the divorce? What MIchael would have told us what he felt about the things she was doing? It would have been a neverending game of "he says" and "she says", which had pleased the media and haters. Considering the love the world used to display for Michael prior to June 2009, it's clear most of the people wouldn't have believed Michael, but Lisa and he would have been consider a monster and a liar. I am quite clear things had been that way. And more money had come to the media cashing on the "fight".

But Michael Jackson was not that kind of man. He keep his privacy, he kept his promise to be loyal to that woman, even when they were no longer together. Whatever happened, he decided to keep it private and whatever we might know, it's 95% LMP's version.

What an incredible human being he is. What a big example of loyalty even in the worst scenario. While LMP kept attacking him year after year, cashing on him, or maybe just trying to make him actually say something about their marrige, so that "they" could have a common place again to discuss and so to keep the bond... but Michael Jackson, a decent man, refused to play that game.

I really, really, really admire Michael Jackson as a human being. What an example. In all this, let us please never foget the great example he is.

 

[JMie]

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I really, really, really admire Michael Jackson as a human being. What an example. In all this, let us please never foget the great example he is.

yes, I completely agree.

 

[gerryevans]

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Sure, you are right in this. Every bitter ex wife/girlfriend/husband/mate/friend would do so. And most of us who have been in that position have done so!! We can't deny it

But one things is feeling bitter about the divorce a year, 3 years, 5 years, forever... and another different thing is to CASH on your bitterness towards that person over the years, knowing how much your bitter words will hurt that other person and his/her reputation around the world.

What if Michael had gotten tired of her bitter talk and had given us HIS version of the divorce? What MIchael would have told us what he felt about the things she was doing? It would have been a neverending game of "he says" and "she says", which had pleased the media and haters. Considering the love the world used to display for Michael prior to June 2009, it's clear most of the people wouldn't have believed Michael, but Lisa and he would have been consider a monster and a liar. I am quite clear things had been that way. And more money had come to the media cashing on the "fight".

But Michael Jackson was not that kind of man. He keep his privacy, he kept his promise to be loyal to that woman, even when they were no longer together. Whatever happened, he decided to keep it private and whatever we might know, it's 95% LMP's version.

What an incredible human being he is. What a big example of loyalty even in the worst scenario. While LMP kept attacking him year after year, cashing on him, or maybe just trying to make him actually say something about their marrige, so that "they" could have a common place again to discuss and so to keep the bond... but Michael Jackson, a decent man, refused to play that game.

I really, really, really admire Michael Jackson as a human being. What an example. In all this, let us please never foget the great example he is.

YESSSSS!!! What a beautiful on the mark post. THANK YOU!

 

[lidwinee]

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Hey does anybody know on which tv channel the show will be broadcast in US, ABC CBS?????

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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Sure, you are right in this. Every bitter ex wife/girlfriend/husband/mate/friend would do so. And most of us who have been in that position have done so!! We can't deny it

But one things is feeling bitter about the divorce a year, 3 years, 5 years, forever... and another different thing is to CASH on your bitterness towards that person over the years, knowing how much your bitter words will hurt that other person and his/her reputation around the world.

What if Michael had gotten tired of her bitter talk and had given us HIS version of the divorce? What MIchael would have told us what he felt about the things she was doing? It would have been a neverending game of "he says" and "she says", which had pleased the media and haters. Considering the love the world used to display for Michael prior to June 2009, it's clear most of the people wouldn't have believed Michael, but Lisa and he would have been consider a monster and a liar. I am quite clear things had been that way. And more money had come to the media cashing on the "fight".

But Michael Jackson was not that kind of man. He keep his privacy, he kept his promise to be loyal to that woman, even when they were no longer together. Whatever happened, he decided to keep it private and whatever we might know, it's 95% LMP's version.

What an incredible human being he is. What a big example of loyalty even in the worst scenario. While LMP kept attacking him year after year, cashing on him, or maybe just trying to make him actually say something about their marrige, so that "they" could have a common place again to discuss and so to keep the bond... but Michael Jackson, a decent man, refused to play that game.

I really, really, really admire Michael Jackson as a human being. What an example. In all this, let us please never foget the great example he is.

Exactly, i've always admired this about the man, his respect, his humbleness , his friendlyness. After being dragged through so much shit and he remained that friendly,humble and down to earth man. It takes a goddamn good person with lots and lots of respect, NOT to reply to LMP's many negative comments, but he did just that, remained silent. Unless he wasn't aware of this, but i highly doubt that, lol.

Topflux here said LMP never lied about Michael, how do you know? So basically you are saying you believe everything she said? About him being manipulative? Don't forget that in all those comments, she describes a pretty unlikeable person, blames EVERYTHING on him, and like someone else said..at the end of the day this wasn't nessecary. She did all of this with her own 'secret agenda' which was to promote her music.

I much rather believe the story from that longtime friend of Michael's and Lisa. Who says the exact opposite, that Lisa actually really wanted kids with Michael and that Michael wanted to help her musical career grow. And THEN just look on that Oprah video how Lisa talks about that , something along the lines of 'Ah yeah.....and he wanted to help me with my music or something' something like that, incredibly ungrateful, i'm sorry...but screw her.

All these years she kept talking trash about their marriage in public, while she DAMN well knew Michael was always in the media's spotlight and negativity, why add to that? Lame as hell, lame as HELL!

 

[StacyJ]

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Lame is right.. and then now for her to go on Oprah spewing the same crap and the man is gone is just insane. Mike can't defend himself, why exactly does she need to talk?

 

[loveforever]

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Truth Revealed ..LMP Lying through the years