La Toya releases new book and single / Summary @ Pg 30 / Pictures @ Pg 33

[ivy]

It's an unwritten rule anyone named Jackson is to be dismissed as money-grubbing and greedy.

hmm - no. A lot of people gave or willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I wrote this before. I didn't plan on buying the book but when BF brought it my instinct was "okay let me read it first, she said a lot of things on the interviews before, perhaps she has information". I only turned "negative" after I read the book and after Latoya wrote in her own words that she didn't speak or saw Michael for years or that her information came from TINI, Karen Faye, Leonard Rowe etc.

Similarly some Jackson's also make it impossible to "approve". did you watch the latest Joe Jackson Cnn interview that he was supposedly being interviewed for his sons second death anniversary. He said stuff like "I don't care if it's a minute after he was dead" and "I'm here to promote what I'm doing now". He basically defended his current interview and his interview 3 days after Michael's death saying he's promoting what he's doing regardless of if or when Michael died. and what do you expect from MJ fans? to be okay with this because Joe is Michael's father?

Sorry but no one gets a free pass from me because they were Michael's xyz. If they have questionable actions they have to be criticized and it's not an issue of a last name of "Jackson".

 

[Big Apple2]

Don't you know why by now? Because the fans don't approve of the family. Anyone who talks about Michael has to have the approval of the fans in order to be taken seriously. It's an unwritten rule anyone named Jackson is to be dismissed as money-grubbing and greedy.

No offense, but when I saw the family up on stage at the Staple Center right before Michael's memorial service was over, I had no reason to NOT be supportive of them. And when I say THEM, I mean THEM, not their various projects.

But from that day up until today, my thoughts have definitely changed as far as support goes. The wheels SLOWLY began to fall off for me and I was no longer able to be supportive. In my opinion, now this is just my personal opinion, the "majority" of them are only vested in how they can profit off of the back of their dearly departed brother/son.

From Katherine's ILLEGAL contract with Howard Mann, which binds Michael's children for life. Then there is Joe Jackson and his money-making nonsense. From belts, to ice cream, to perfume, to HappyLand. LaToya willing to tell you the TRUTH for a price. The list goes on and on, but I'm sure you can see where I'm going.

How, in all fairness, can any of us support any of that? I mean, really.

 

[Memefan]

Don't you know why by now? Because the fans don't approve of the family. Anyone who talks about Michael has to have the approval of the fans in order to be taken seriously. It's an unwritten rule anyone named Jackson is to be dismissed as money-grubbing and greedy.

What a pathetic excuse!!! The Jacksons are called money-grubs because that's what they are. PERIOD.

And who said we were all ok with Frank Cascio's book? I am not. If you take your head out of the Jacksons' you-know-what you might have noticed they were given plenty of chances but they never fail to screw up.

So f*** some of them..and f**k anyone who thinks they are almighty and above reproach.

 

[Justice_MJ]

who said it's okay? One difference is he actually was close to Michael. Other than that it's all about the content I think. if he writes something bad about Michael I'm pretty sure he'll be criticized heavily for it.

That was my question if it is ok. Let us wait and see then.

hmm - no. A lot of people gave or willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I wrote this before. I didn't plan on buying the book but when BF brought it my instinct was "okay let me read it first, she said a lot of things on the interviews before, perhaps she has information". I only turned "negative" after I read the book and after Latoya wrote in her own words that she didn't speak or saw Michael for years or that her information came from TINI, Karen Faye, Leonard Rowe etc.

And what is so bad about the things she says in the book? I'm not talking about LaToya, I'm talking about the content. We can't dismiss the whole content because we don't know what really happened. She makes no secret about where her information comes from. Why is it bad to repeat the information given by Karen Faye, TINI whoever? She can reach a bigger audience than any of them could. She might have no evidence for the things she's saying but is it necessary to call her a liar as some people might do? I'm not fond of LaToya but where is our proof that the things written in her book are wrong which would give us the right to call her a liar?

 

[Justthefacts]

Where is our proof that any of it is true?

 

[Big Apple2]

Where is our proof that any of it is true?

In my opinion, she/they have no proof.

I would go further in saying that if there was some proof, no matter how small, we would have heard about it already, but all we have heard for the last TWO YEARS is that Murray is the "fall guy." Added to that is a bunch of 2nd and 3rd hand stories that also lead nowhere, in my opinion.

To top it all off, for the PRICE of a shiny new book, you can read all of this NON-information/NON-proof for yourself.

 

[Justice_MJ]

Where is our proof that any of it is true?

That's what I'm saying. We have no proof of it being true but neither have we proof that it is wrong.

 

[Annita]

That's what I'm saying. We have no proof of it being true but neither have we proof that it is wrong.

lol, than you can say what you want? When you make accusation than you should have proof.

 

[Annita]

I thought Joe say in his interview he never knew about the plot to kill MJ until MJ pass,
But latoya say Joe knew,

Yey. Joe said on the same day on CNN that he never knew about this before Michael was dead.

 

[ivy]

And what is so bad about the things she says in the book? I'm not talking about LaToya, I'm talking about the content. We can't dismiss the whole content because we don't know what really happened. She makes no secret about where her information comes from. Why is it bad to repeat the information given by Karen Faye, TINI whoever?

It's hearsay. She has no independent collaboration or anything else to add to it. so why would you give 15 to 27 dollars for it? and what's the benefit of hearing it again if I already heard that claim before?

She can reach a bigger audience than any of them could.

the reality is that this is not about audience but justice. if TINI wasn't able to get their voices heard then Latoya's duty was to take their information to the police as the sister of the victim - not write a book 2 years later to increase the audience.

I'm not fond of LaToya but where is our proof that the things written in her book are wrong which would give us the right to call her a liar?

because no evidence of those claims materialized in any investigation or in any civil - criminal lawsuit.

The examples are given before - if indeed Michael wrote "I hate Branca" then why didn't they mention or use it in any lawsuits or complaints about the executors? If Michael left such notes, why she didn't make and give us copies? why michael forced to do AEG shows / forced to do 50 instead of 10 isn't mentioned in KJ- AEG lawsuit? and so on and so on.

yes technically those claims might be either true or false. but for them to be "true" we really do not see any collaboration or anything from the real life that backs it up.

I'm not calling her a "liar" but you can call me skeptical.

 

[Annita]

Reminds me of Paris saying Hollywood Tonight isn't really him, sigh. They're already brainwashed. I just hope it isn't too late for them.

But this brainwashing doesn`t make sense. Or is any of the Jackson`s against the song HT?, the song with Tarryl Jackson. This tweet, if it is really from Paris doesn`t make sense.

 

[Bridgett_361]

But this brainwashing doesn`t make sense. Or is any of the Jackson`s against the song HT?, the song with Tarryl Jackson. This tweet, if it is really from Paris doesn`t make sense.

Maybe she is saying it was not hi. In the video,

 

[Memefan]

That was my question if it is ok. Let us wait and see then.


And what is so bad about the things she says in the book? I'm not talking about LaToya, I'm talking about the content. We can't dismiss the whole content because we don't know what really happened. She makes no secret about where her information comes from. Why is it bad to repeat the information given by Karen Faye, TINI whoever? She can reach a bigger audience than any of them could. She might have no evidence for the things she's saying but is it necessary to call her a liar as some people might do? I'm not fond of LaToya but where is our proof that the things written in her book are wrong which would give us the right to call her a liar?

The damned autopsy report.

 

[Soundmind]

exactly Meme

 

[enlightenu]

What a pathetic excuse!!! The Jacksons are called money-grubs because that's what they are. PERIOD.

And who said we were all ok with Frank Cascio's book? I am not. If you take your head out of the Jacksons' you-know-what you might have noticed they were given plenty of chances but they never fail to screw up.

So f*** some of them..and f**k anyone who thinks they are almighty and above reproach.

Let's get a few things straight: First of all I don't have my head up ANYONE's behind, including the Jacksons. If you ever have paid attention to any of my past posts I have taken some family members to task for their careless statements since Michael's death. When I had a problem with the actions of some of them, I have expressed and will continue express it. However, I will defend a Jackson member who has the guts to speak up about THEIR relative's very suspicious death...because his death IS suspicious and NO ONE is going to sell me otherwise---including some within the fanbase who insist on presenting a FIXED angle while brow-beat anyone else who bucks that FIXED angle. I support what LaToya said and I support her book...and what?! Michael said he was conspired against; but that appears too inconvenient to consider in his death because it goes against what has been shoved down the fans' throat and has been willingly lapped up with no questions asked. It's more easier to nit-pick, any and everything the Jacksons do---especially the ones who don't support the 'Murray and only Murray is the one responsible" script. I say LaToya: KEEP TALKING!!

Second of all, I don't care if you don't agree with my views but DO NOT EVER refer the "F" word to me in ANY way. Differences of views does not warrant crassness!

 

[Memefan]

The damned autopsy report.

And she is a damned liar...she said it herself. She made up the story that she saw Michael abusing little boy at Hayvenhurst...you need more proof?

If she is accusing others of killing MJ, you betcha she better have some hard proof to back up her accusations

 

[MsCassieMollie]

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[Big Apple2]

I say LaToya: KEEP TALKING!!

Should she also keep charging for the truth she CLAIMS is in her new book? LOL!

"I'll tell you what REALLY happened, but you will have to pay for it." PLEASE, in my opinion, a person who is really interested in pursuing the truth is not interested in any monetary gain.

After all, telling the truth and seeking justice should be free of charge.

 

[la_cienega]

But this brainwashing doesn`t make sense. Or is any of the Jackson`s against the song HT?, the song with Tarryl Jackson. This tweet, if it is really from Paris doesn`t make sense.

It seems Paris is against the entire album.

On formspring Paris has said that only "parts" of Monster were Michael. She said they only made the album for money (as opposed to why Katherine made that book, signed them to that Mann contract, got Randy and Joe to be execs on the Heal The World Foundation.... etc).

But you're right, it makes no sense, because her own cousin is on the track and it was even recorded 20 years ago. Unfortunately things making sense isn't what's important to most of that family...

 

[moodyblue97]

I think most fans doesn´t agree with the Cascio book, we have to wait and see what he writes. He´s been making up some stories before and I hope he won´t do it in this book, if he doesn´t I think the book will be okay.

And Paris tweet about HT, I can´t help to think it may be an missunderstanding, I hope it´s anyway, that she mixed up songs.

And about TINI in the book Ivy, does she mention several fans from TINI or just one? Because someone says that it wasn´t TINI she talked too, but just one follower fan who doesn´t talk on FB like others do. That she´s the ONE follower who tells the truth, those from TINI doesn´t.

 

[passy001]

I usually don't post in the Jacksons thread. But my take on this whole thing is that the Jacksons have handled the death of MJ very poorly, and in so doing have alienated many fans. Their public rush to cash-in on anything MJ has really turned off a lot fans who initially gave them the full benefit of the doubt. Plus, their public interviews were just catastrophic, showing little affection or even sensitivity to their love one MJ. They were essentially racing to call him drug addict on national television and make reference to fabricated interventions, which clearly did not help at all. All of this in exchange of some lousy cash since those were paid interviews. Suddenly we saw the likes of Rebbie and even Jermaine -both of whom have not had a CD for decades - wanting to sing again. That was odd. As time went by their real intentions to exploit the death of MJ for sheer profit was becoming even more blatant. From KJ and Joe and to the remaining siblings. They were all bent on that goal from day one. Schemes such as the Gary museum was just a public embarrassment. Then you had the signed belt, the dodgy coffee book, the Oprah interviews with the MJ3, the public fight with the executors, and Joe with his ice cream and champagne nonsense. All these schemes kept on creeping up, including the endless MJ books by siblings who haven't known MJ in the last 7 to 10 years of his life. we're talking about siblings in their 50s and 60s with no education or professional career here that have become so desperate.

The combination of these events have pushed many fans away for good.

 

[ivy]

And about TINI in the book Ivy, does she mention several fans from TINI or just one? Because someone says that it wasn´t TINI she talked too, but just one follower fan who doesn´t talk on FB like others do. That she´s the ONE follower who tells the truth, those from TINI doesn´t.

several people. She describes the "follower fans" as who met Michael while he's coming out of his house to go to rehearsals, rush to staples meeting him when he's coming in, wait outside meet him as he's coming out and rush to his house to meet him at his door as well. That's the follower fans or TINI group (she doesn't call them TINI but it's obvious from her description IMO).she says they all told the same thing. then there's a mention of another fan that walked up to her when she's having lunch and told her about how the lights in his room didn't close that night. so I would say TINI group and another fan as well, does that make sense?

 

[la_cienega]

I'm actually maybe in the minority but I'm totally fine with family, friends, whoever writing books and talking about him - how else will we ever battle against the mainstream presses idea of him? People like Kathy Hilton talking about how normal and non addicted he was and how good a father he was. If Cascio sticks to the truth then I'll be happy. If he chooses to go down another path then he'll face the same backlash.

I'd also be happy with the Jacksons writing books if I didn't see how blatant some of their agendas are. If they could talk about how he really was, defend him articulately against the allegations, explain some things, talk about his vitiligo, his lupus... they're in a very privileged position where they can talk about MJ and people will listen. Yet they seem to constantly be more interested in their own agendas instead of trying to inform the general public about the truth about him.

LaToya's book does nothing to help Michael, just her family's own agenda against the estate.

It's sad that the fans are more involved in giving Michael justice in his life than his own family seem to be. We get documenataries cancelled and books by pedophiles shelved and force journalists to edit pieces and get his name uncovered in schools and organize by ourselves for free together to research facts about his life.

No offense, but when I saw the family up on stage at the Staple Center right before Michael's memorial service was over, I had no reason to NOT be supportive of them. And when I say THEM, I mean THEM, not their various projects.

But from that day up until today, my thoughts have definitely changed as far as support goes. The wheels SLOWLY began to fall off for me and I was no longer able to be supportive. In my opinion, now this is just my personal opinion, the "majority" of them are only vested in how they can profit off of the back of their dearly departed brother/son.

Couldn't agree more! After his death I was totally behind the family! I used to argue against people who would say negative things about them, I just refused to believe that they could behave the way people were saying they were. But after 2 years of this I can't continue to forgive and apologize for their own behaviour when they seem intent to take upon no accountability themselves.

 

[moodyblue97]

several people. She describes the "follower fans" as who met Michael while he's coming out of his house to go to rehearsals, rush to staples meeting him when he's coming in, wait outside meet him as he's coming out and rush to his house to meet him at his door as well. That's the follower fans or TINI group (she doesn't call them TINI but it's obvious from her description IMO).she says they all told the same thing. then there's a mention of another fan that walked up to her when she's having lunch and told her about how the lights in his room didn't close that night. so I would say TINI group and another fan as well, does that make sense?

Yes, makes sense, thank you.

This group on FB is pro LaToya and against Estate.

 

[Annita]

I think most fans doesn´t agree with the Cascio book, we have to wait and see what he writes. He´s been making up some stories before and I hope he won´t do it in this book, if he doesn´t I think the book will be okay.

And Paris tweet about HT, I can´t help to think it may be an missunderstanding, I hope it´s anyway, that she mixed up songs.

And about TINI in the book Ivy, does she mention several fans from TINI or just one? Because someone says that it wasn´t TINI she talked too, but just one follower fan who doesn´t talk on FB like others do. That she´s the ONE follower who tells the truth, those from TINI doesn´t.

Ok. When she said this things about the book and Mann and HTW than she is influenced from the family. But I think it is normal. She believes Kathrine and the family.
She is sure against the executers.

 

[TarinJade]

Has La Toya ever been asked whether or not she went to the LAPD with her "information?" I put that in quotes because she is so incredibly vague in the book, according to the summary that Ivy posted.

I am the kind of person who is skeptical in nature. I believe in facts rather than declaring everything a conspiracy. But when the preliminary hearings took place several months ago and we received much more information than we had previously, it left me feeling that maybe, just maybe, it was not just a one-person screw up, and I'm no longer discounting the possibility that something bigger is behind Michael's death. However, La Toya has been talking for two years now about all this proof that she has that Michael's death was a conspiracy, and as of today has laid absolutely NOTHING on the table in the way of solid evidence. If she has nothing indisputable to say, then she needs to quit wasting her time, and more importantly, OURS!

 

[ivy]

I am the kind of person who is skeptical in nature. I believe in facts rather than declaring everything a conspiracy. But when the preliminary hearings took place several months ago and we received much more information than we had previously, it left me feeling that maybe, just maybe, it was not just a one-person screw up, and I'm no longer discounting the possibility that something bigger is behind Michael's death. However, La Toya has been talking for two years now about all this proof that she has that Michael's death was a conspiracy, and as of today has laid absolutely NOTHING on the table in the way of solid evidence. If she has nothing indisputable to say, then she needs to quit wasting her time, and more importantly, OURS!

when Katherine sued AEG she claimed civil conspiracy in her lawsuit. She basically said that AEG people including Randy Phillips (and even Kenny Ortega) conspired to force Michael to come to rehearsals (with their riot acts and threats). Judge didn't see the conspiracy as it was all hearsay and assumption - for example they assumed the riot meeting was a result of the conspiracy but the conspiracy actually requires a plan first then an action which was lacking. Judge gave them 20 days to bring "evidence" of this claims and amend their complaint. Katherine's lawyer basically said they wouldn't be amending their complaints and the conspiracy charge thrown out.

In that case they had a judge that was willing to consider a civil conspiracy but needed more evidence , you see that claim went puff when they were asked for any evidence.

It's easy to write a book and claim that "they killed michael for his catalog" when they are put into a position "okay give me a little proof" it suddenly falls flat.

 

[ginvid]

I'm actually maybe in the minority but I'm totally fine with family, friends, whoever writing books and talking about him - how else will we ever battle against the mainstream presses idea of him? People like Kathy Hilton talking about how normal and non addicted he was and how good a father he was. If Cascio sticks to the truth then I'll be happy. If he chooses to go down another path then he'll face the same backlash.

I'd also be happy with the Jacksons writing books if I didn't see how blatant some of their agendas are. If they could talk about how he really was, defend him articulately against the allegations, explain some things, talk about his vitiligo, his lupus... they're in a very privileged position where they can talk about MJ and people will listen. Yet they seem to constantly be more interested in their own agendas instead of trying to inform the general public about the truth about him.

LaToya's book does nothing to help Michael, just her family's own agenda against the estate.

It's sad that the fans are more involved in giving Michael justice in his life than his own family seem to be. We get documenataries cancelled and books by pedophiles shelved and force journalists to edit pieces and get his name uncovered in schools and organize by ourselves for free together to research facts about his life.



Couldn't agree more! After his death I was totally behind the family! I used to argue against people who would say negative things about them, I just refused to believe that they could behave the way people were saying they were. But after 2 years of this I can't continue to forgive and apologize for their own behaviour when they seem intent to take upon no accountability themselves.

I wish the fanily could give us more insight into who he was as a person, even if it is relegated to a certain time period (as I do believe that what they could tell us about his final years is limited). They could shed so much light on who he was by giving us funny stories, loving anecdotes, something. You are so true that they were in a unique position to tell us so much; yet iin still, they always speak as if they are third parties.

I think most fans rallied behind the Jacksons when MJ died. But almost immediately after he died, they started cutting up. I thought that maybe they were just grieving intensely. But I was proven wrong.

 

[AngieJ]

I'm actually maybe in the minority but I'm totally fine with family, friends, whoever writing books and talking about him - how else will we ever battle against the mainstream presses idea of him? People like Kathy Hilton talking about how normal and non addicted he was and how good a father he was. If Cascio sticks to the truth then I'll be happy. If he chooses to go down another path then he'll face the same backlash.

I'd also be happy with the Jacksons writing books if I didn't see how blatant some of their agendas are. If they could talk about how he really was, defend him articulately against the allegations, explain some things, talk about his vitiligo, his lupus... they're in a very privileged position where they can talk about MJ and people will listen. Yet they seem to constantly be more interested in their own agendas instead of trying to inform the general public about the truth about him.

LaToya's book does nothing to help Michael, just her family's own agenda against the estate.

It's sad that the fans are more involved in giving Michael justice in his life than his own family seem to be. We get documenataries cancelled and books by pedophiles shelved and force journalists to edit pieces and get his name uncovered in schools and organize by ourselves for free together to research facts about his life.


Couldn't agree more! After his death I was totally behind the family! I used to argue against people who would say negative things about them, I just refused to believe that they could behave the way people were saying they were. But after 2 years of this I can't continue to forgive and apologize for their own behaviour when they seem intent to take upon no accountability themselves.

Well said.

 

[ilmjj]

I listened to Joe Vogel's radio interview and I can't wait to read his book. He has no reason to lie when he says the people who worked with Michael all thought he was so loving and humble. Shoot, he'd probably get more attention if he had said MJ acted like a spoiled diva. But since he says MJ was considerate and wonderful to work with JV probably won't be getting any prime time interviews...

Since we now know Michael had little contact with his family and what he said in his will about his wishes for his estate just speaks volumes for me. He took care of Katherine but after that he is done!