Sophielo
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May I remind you all to cut the insults out-there is no need to insult other members which I have deleted a few posts of.
moodyblue97;3417361 said:Why are you so angry with me? I wasn´t bitching at all. I just said what I know and have known for a long time, and for me it is fact since two people who was there and were close friends to him said he wasn´t suppose to go to a meeting. Karen can be very convincing, and I don´t know what to believe at this point. That´s why I said that I may have to believe Karen.
I´m sorry you got mad at me, I´m not here to fight with anyone. I know my place and I don´t try to come off as knowing everything. I did meet Michael many times and I don´t claim to know him, but I do feel I know very much. And as soon as I say that, someone say that you don´t know anyone by camping outside his hotel.
I can say right now before anyone jump on me. I wasn´t a follower and I never camped outside his house or his hotel. I met him through my work. And I never visited fanboards before June 25. I´m here to be able to smile again.. some girls in here are wonderful and reading their comments make my days at times.
I´m not here to fight or argue, and I only write something when I´m sure it´s accurate, this was an occasion when I´m sure. When more people say different, I´m not sure anymore and I admit it.
And thank you Meme whatever you wrote..
Sorry for ranting, I don´t like when people get mad at me.
dont worry about it.theres alot if jealousy from some when it comes to those who got to meet mj or, and knew ppl who were close to mj and therefore may know things. And when u post certain info that contridicts them like u did u get accused of being either stalkers or plain liars.
YIKES, I never saw that interview before.
I'm sorry, but homegirl looks like she is enjoying every minute of that joint. I'm already on record as saying that I don't believe Jack Gordon made her do anything she didn't want to do or maybe, for all we know, it was all HER idea from jumpstreet.
She's good, she ain't even reading a "script." I guess Jack Gordon also FORCED her to memorize her lines. LOL!
Dang, that must have broke her mother's heart.
I will NOT let you talk this much shit about La Toya. Don't like her book or the lies she writes in it? Fine, neither do it. But you can not claim that La Toya was not under the control of Jack Gordon?
Are you a woman who was abused? Because I don't think you realise how much control this man had over La Toya. It is also very obvious in that video that there is something not right. She has been "brainwashed" or drugged by Gordon or something.
I agree with everything you wrote. And I think Michael was a real saint if he found enough strength within himself to forgive her after everything she did.
Why should I listen to those who have proved AGAIN & AGAIN that they are untrustworthy, conniving, greedy, liars and backstabbers?
Karen Faye is a vapid bitch...There is nothing she can do to make me change my mind. As for THOSE Jacksons..well, it is what it is, I don't have to listen nor believe what they have to say.
Fool me once, shame on you ...fool me twice shame on me.
The estate doesn't have "carte blanche"... When I am not happy with something they do, I have no problem stating that fact. They are not paying me..therefore I am free to voice my opinion & not support something that I don't agree with. But at least they have remained classy, like the man himself, something those Jacksons clearly don't have. Not once, has the estate released a product with the intention of exploiting MJ's anniversary. Last year, we had Katherine/Mann's book...this year we have La toya's.
It "may" be obvious to you, but it is certainly not obvious to me.
I look at that clip and see a woman who is clearly enjoying the attention that she is receiving. The attention she was craving but was unable to attain from her "singing" abilities. It must have crushed her that her "talents" didn't get her anywhere. Poor thing!
I am going to ask a serious question - has LaToya Jackson sought professional help?
I do not ask it be mean, I ask because I am curious. When you look at what she has been through at the hands of her father and then at the hands of Jack Gordon, I can understand why she would need to work things through with a professional. I do not like armchair psychology, so I am not going to pscyho-analyse her. I don't know her and never met her. I really I am just curious.
Does she mention that in her book?
I would have believed it more if she said she was brainwashed but the script story makes it unbelieveable and her unreliable
this is the 1993 Tel-Aviv conference. She says that she didn't know about it and Gordon gave her a piece of paper and she read through it. Look to first 1 minute yes she's reading it from the paper but then look after first minute, she's not reading from the paper anymore, it's her sentences and she's even creating conversation with the media "how many of you 35 years old?" etc
Be careful with what? If you are referring to my last sentence, it was a joke. I thought it's obvious.
It's time to take the gloves off when discussing Latoya and her past, she's never been an innocent character no matter what's being claimed by some, including herself, she's always been more of a wolf in sheep's clothing filled with jealousy and resentment. I stany by my words, and won't take them back.
This is what she was, this is what she'll always be.
But how do you or I know that LaToya has not present anything to the LAPD? I remember hearing a while back they were approached about certain things regarding Michael's death; but they chose not to pursue it and keep the investigation focused in the direction it was going. I heard that more than once from different people. Don't get me started on the police about the tapes during that crucial time period where the majority of it was erased. Why was the bulk of that tape erased?! That was significant evidence that could have been used in the investigation....but it's erased? WHY?!
Thought about it!
I will concede that, yes there was a conspiracy to harm Michael. When you look at what was done to Michael Moore to sabotage his documentary on the American health care system, there can be no doubt that corporation and individuals will do what is necessary to protect their interests.
I will concede that LaToya truly believes that Michael's murder was part of this conspiracy. But at this point, I do not believe it. Not because I have been brainwashed or because I would not be able to handle the truth. But because I have not seen proof that would convince me of it.
When Michael publicly spoke about conspiracy, I remember him talking about investigating what was going on. Years passed before Raymone Bain announced that there were bringing action against certain people. (Does anyone else remember this, or am I crazy?). If I am right, Michael went looking for actionable proof to support his assertions.
All I want is for LaToya to bring actionable proof - not hearsay, conjecture and speculation. Proof that she can take to the relevant authorities so that they can do something about it.
Has she hired an investigator to dig into this deeper?
Why does not have the support of her family in this (her words from book), even those who are suing AEG?
Why did she not copy the notes she found in Michael's room? Why did she not take them to the police immediately? She said she knew Michael was murdered from the time she heard the news. That means that EVERYTHING she did after that would have to be about finding out who killed Michael (since she had not asked him who the 'they' was).
I am not going to dispute everything in 'Starting Over' but when you are going to make the charge of conspiracy to murder, YOU NEED TO BRING MORE THAN SECOND-HARD AND THIRD-HAND STORIES. It is really quite simple.
We are not bashing LaToya for talking about conspiracy. We are challenging her because she made a big fanfare about exposing the truth in this book, about giving us answers, and naming names. She is the one who set up herself as the person who would throw the door open and let the light in on all the secrets. Instead all she did was to ask us to 'read between the lines'! Gimme a break!
On another matter, I cannot speak for the fans who aggressively reject the conspiracy notion, but I feel that those believe in a murder conspiracy have taken some things, interpreted them in ways that do not always seem rational, in order to justify and substantiate their claims. And this can be very off-putting. When you challenge their interpretation, you are not a fan or you do not want justice.
You believe what you believe. I respect that.
When I get some narrative that makes sense, has actionable proof and is not filled with speculation, conjecture and presumptions THEN I will consider what you believe.
On topic - Ivy, did LaToya say in her book that she took her evidence to the police?
I will concede that, yes there was a conspiracy to harm Michael.
I will concede that LaToya truly believes that Michael's murder was part of this conspiracy. But at this point, I do not believe it. Not because I have been brainwashed or because I would not be able to handle the truth. But because I have not seen proof that would convince me of it.
When Michael publicly spoke about conspiracy, I remember him talking about investigating what was going on. Years passed before Raymone Bain announced that there were bringing action against certain people. (Does anyone else remember this, or am I crazy?). If I am right, Michael went looking for actionable proof to support his assertions.
All I want is for LaToya to bring actionable proof - not hearsay, conjecture and speculation. Proof that she can take to the relevant authorities so that they can do something about it.
Has she hired an investigator to dig into this deeper?
Why does not have the support of her family in this (her words from book), even those who are suing AEG?
Why did she not copy the notes she found in Michael's room? Why did she not take them to the police immediately? She said she knew Michael was murdered from the time she heard the news. That means that EVERYTHING she did after that would have to be about finding out who killed Michael (since she had not asked him who the 'they' was).
I am not going to dispute everything in 'Starting Over' but when you are going to make the charge of conspiracy to murder, YOU NEED TO BRING MORE THAN SECOND-HARD AND THIRD-HAND STORIES. It is really quite simple.
We are not bashing LaToya for talking about conspiracy. We are challenging her because she made a big fanfare about exposing the truth in this book, about giving us answers, and naming names. She is the one who set up herself as the person who would throw the door open and let the light in on all the secrets. Instead all she did was to ask us to 'read between the lines'! Gimme a break!
When I get some narrative that makes sense, has actionable proof and is not filled with speculation, conjecture and presumptions THEN I will consider what you believe.
But how do you or I know that LaToya has not present anything to the LAPD? I remember hearing a while back they were approached about certain things regarding Michael's death; but they chose not to pursue it and keep the investigation focused in the direction it was going. I heard that more than once from different people.
But ivy, the bullet vest is a sad story right? I mean how much fear he had to feel wearing them...
Was sony involved before michael died in this is it?
i have to first i havent read the last 8 pages or so it went on so fast.
But ivy, the bullet vest is a sad story right? I mean how much fear he had to feel wearing them...
Was sony involved before michael died in this is it?
But, I believe it only had to do with people trying to take money from him. Not about people trying to kill him. I have 3 articles from a few yrs back saying MJ was suing his accountants or people that worked for him that stole millions from him. These articles were after the 05 trial. I think that was what he was suing for?!When Michael publicly spoke about conspiracy, I remember him talking about investigating what was going on. Years passed before Raymone Bain announced that there were bringing action against certain people. (Does anyone else remember this, or am I crazy?). If I am right, Michael went looking for actionable proof to support his assertions.
"They care about what they can do and what they can get their hands on, and no one in the family has anything to do with the estate," she said. "At this point, blatantly said, John Branca right now is Michael Jackson."