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Katy Perry Closing In on Michael Jackson Chart Record *Update- Perry Matches MJ's Record*

Severus Snape said:
I dunno, don't students have to pay or at least apply for loans to be able to get their degree, and then have to either resort to certain unethical tactics :naughty: or else jump through irrelevant and very stupid hoops to get it? Also, don't rich yet incredibly stupid people get into prestigious universities all the time? Overall, a bad analogy. :p

I'd say, it's simple--Perry enjoyed several advantages over Michael, yet was still unable to surpass his record. You have to give her some merit--if her songs really sucked, she wouldn't have gotten where she is even with the price cuts. However, she did, so she gets some credit (although it is very unimpressive considering the marketing strategies involved). Michael, on the other hand, did not pull any marketing strategies to get his singles to no. 01, and did not enjoy the technological/marketing advantages Perry did by default simply for being a pop artist in the digital music age.
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Getting loans to get a degree as in paying for course fees is not what I mean. People can "buy" degree certificates or doctorates etc, by paying companies for them without ever doing an actual course. Degrees can also be bought by paying people do write essays (if your doing an academic course), there is a very big business for that online. And that is how Katy Perry kind of got her 5th No.1 buy using tactics to buying herself a 5th No.1.

Katy Perry doesn't deserve any merit for her 5th No.1, because of the desperate tactics that were used to get her that record. If she got a 5th No.1from the original single she released at the original price, and had released a remix single at cut price one week earlier, then I wouldn't have a problem with her equaling Michael's record. It wouldn't be an issue. I don't care much for the group Take That, yet they broke Michael's record of 7 sold out concerts at Wembley Stadium (though the demand for Michael's Bad concerts was for 12, but he couldn't do that much because of a yearly quota of live concerts Wembley have as it's in a residential area) buy selling out 8. I don't like this, but I accept it because Take That sold out 8 concerts far and square.

Rubbish and forgettable songs but not great artists can reach No.1 on a regular basis. A No.1 song or a huge selling album can be crap, or just plain average. Cliff Richard has sold more singles than any other artist or band in the UK, and he's not the most amazing of artists. Westlife have more No.1 singles than any band in the UK other than The Beatles, but most people would find it hard to name more than 1 of there No.1 singles. Shania Twayne has an average artist, and her album Come On Over sold 34 million albums making it the biggest selling album by a female artist of all time. But that album isn't exactly a brilliant album, and it's forgotten. No.1's and huge music sales are just a statistic for what's current and selling now, or at that time as they don't mean much in the long run. As a fan Michael having the records and No.1's he has etc is just a bonus, when the fact is his music is bigger than the charts. Most people know Smooth Criminal, but can't really remember I Just Can't Stop Loving You. I think now 24yrs after I Just Can't Stop Loving You hit No.1, most people would be surprised it made No.1 and Smooth Criminal didn't. The charts do give artists and acts a lot of prestige, and fans facts and statistics to quote when saying how good one feels their favorite band or artist is. But more crap it's No.1 in the charts than good, it can't always be taken seriously. Just like an actor or movie, doesn't always deserve the Oscar they have won.

I don't have any issue with Katy Perry as a personality or her music, though I do find her image and videos quite cheesy. Her music isn't my thing, but I think her song Last Friday Night is an ok song (I don't think it's crap). She makes good generic pop songs, but nothing different to pop songs I heard growing up in the 1980's. I just think the way she's got her 5th No.1 is a cheap shot. If this is the way music business wish to make music history, and allow such tactics to boost singles sales then it makes the charts more meaningless than ever.
 
another fact about this corrupt chartssystem. ^^


tracks with most weeks in the top 40 (since 1999) SOURCE: MEDIA TRAFFIC

1 I Gotta Feeling - Black Eyed Peas
Interscope - 2009 - 64 weeks
2 I'm Yours - Jason Mraz
Atlantic - 2008 - 63 weeks
3 Bad Day - Daniel Powter
Warner Bros. - 2005 - 54 weeks
4You're Beautiful - James Blunt
Atlantic - 2005 - 52 weeks
4 Poker Face - Lady GaGa
Interscope - 2009 - 52 weeks
6Bleeding Love - Leona Lewis
Syco Music - 2007 - 49 weeks
6Viva La Vida - Coldplay
Parlophone / Capitol - 2008 - 49 weeks
6Need You Now - Lady AntebellumCapitol Nashille - 2009 - 49 weeks
9How To Save A Life - The Fray
Epic - 2006 - 47 weeks
9Just Dance - Lady GaGa feat. Colby O'Donis
Interscope - 2008 - 47 weeks
 
i compare this situation like in sports with climbing mountains.
for men, Reinhold Messner was the first one to clim on all eight-tousander in 1986 (Italy, south tyrol, born in Austria, but later south tiryl was italy). without supplementary oxygen and carrier/supporter. called "Alpinstil".

last year, for womans, two woman manage this too. but, the first allways used supplementary oxygen, helicopters and carrier/supporter. the other one supplementary oxygen, carrier/supporter. it was controversial if that counts. the first woman wasnt accepted by anyone. the second woman wasnt also controversial.
but this year, a few days ago, Gerlinde Kaltenbrunner (Austria) manage it like Reinhold Messer did in 1986.
the first woman on all eight-tousander, without any supplementary oxygen, carrier/supporter. in Alpinstil.
on climbing mountains, it only counts to climb a mountain without any help.

why i tell u this story. well, who cares what these both first woman manage? how they manage this?
it only counts if u manage it in alpinstil. like michael jackson did in in the us charts. he made it in a way without corruption, selfmade charts, maybe made by fans or company, cause they buying a single for a few cents to made a song number 1, and so on... bla bla bla.
kaltenbrunner faild 6 times to get on the K2. if she managed it last year, or 2009 or 2007, noone would talk about who was the first. but cause the other 2 used a lot of help (manipulation), they managed it first.
you know what i want to say?
Messner, Kaltenbrunner & Michael Jackson. these are Legends. record breaking legends. :punk:
 
mjchris said:
i compare this situation like in sports with climbing mountains.
for men, Reinhold Messner was the first one to clim on all eight-tousander in 1986 (Italy, south tyrol, born in Austria, but later south tiryl was italy). without supplementary oxygen and carrier/supporter. called "Alpinstil".

last year, for womans, two woman manage this too. but, the first allways used supplementary oxygen, helicopters and carrier/supporter. the other one supplementary oxygen, carrier/supporter. it was controversial if that counts. the first woman wasnt accepted by anyone. the second woman wasnt also controversial.
but this year, a few days ago, Gerlinde Kaltenbrunner (Austria) manage it like Reinhold Messer did in 1986.
the first woman on all eight-tousander, without any supplementary oxygen, carrier/supporter. in Alpinstil.
on climbing mountains, it only counts to climb a mountain without any help.

why i tell u this story. well, who cares what these both first woman manage? how they manage this?
it only counts if u manage it in alpinstil. like michael jackson did in in the us charts. he made it in a way without corruption, selfmade charts, maybe made by fans or company, cause they buying a single for a few cents to made a song number 1, and so on... bla bla bla.
kaltenbrunner faild 6 times to get on the K2. if she managed it last year, or 2009 or 2007, noone would talk about who was the first. but cause the other 2 used a lot of help (manipulation), they managed it first.
you know what i want to say?
Messner, Kaltenbrunner & Michael Jackson. these are Legends. record breaking legends. :punk:
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Well said!!!
 
I know "Leave me alone" was counted and added to the Bad Album much later but, since now u can buy BAD with "Leave me alone" in it as if it was always there for many yrs now I think it's unfair to ignore that fact! So MJ really has SIX #1 songs off of Bad! Sorry Perry! lol But, that's the truth!
 
Re: Katy Perry Closing In on Michael Jackson Chart Record

athina_livadi said:
So what? There is no comparison between Bad and any other album of today!
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agreed

Perry is "good" but she's far from phenomenal

I'm fine with her success but don't even put her in the same boat as MJ
 
bluetopez said:
I know "Leave me alone" was counted and added to the Bad Album much later but, since now u can buy BAD with "Leave me alone" in it as if it was always there for many yrs now I think it's unfair to ignore that fact! So MJ really has SIX #1 songs off of Bad! Sorry Perry! lol But, that's the truth!
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Leave Me Alone was always on the Bad album since it's day of release in 1987! ..... It was a bonus song only available CD of the Bad album. Leave Me Alone was not on the vinyl and cassette (which were still the dominant format in 1987). I know this as I bought them of on the day the Bad album was released in 1987.

Since vinyl and cassettes stopped being the dominant format in the 1990's, has just been forgotten that Leave Me Alone was only available on the CD of the album, as opposed to it being added on years late which was never the case. Leave Me Alone was available only on the CD of Bad since 1987 so people would start buying CD's, just like Blu-rays often have extra features on them so people will switch from DVD to Blu-ray.
 
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Thank u for that info about the Bad album and the Leave me alone song! I was only four in 87 the yr I became his fan. lol

So even more now I wonder why is it being ignored as a sixth number one if it was included anyways atleast for CD!? To me it shouldn't matter if CD was not the dominet format! If it was included in any format it should of counted, period! Especially if it charted on billboard! Anyways that's my take on that!
 
bluetopez said:
Thank u for that info about the Bad album and the Leave me alone song! I was only four in 87 the yr I became his fan. lol So even more now I wonder why is it being ignored as a sixth number one if it was included anyways atleast for CD!? To me it shouldn't matter if CD was not the dominet format! If it was included in any format it should of counted, period! Especially if it charted on billboard! Anyways that's my take on that!
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Your welcome, for the info about Leave Me Alone on the Bad album. Forums are for fans to share knowledge and enthusiasm about Michael.

What countries chart are specifically talking about Leave Me Alone being No.1. I don't think? it was No.1 in the Billboard Hot 100 Chart for the USA (I'm not even sure it it was released as a single in the USA). "IF" it did reach No.1 in the Billboard Hot 100 Chart, it would have been counted because the CD was still considered an official release as part of the Bad album. CD not being the dominant format in 1987-89 when singles from the album were being released, didn't count against the sales of charting of the album and songs from it.

For Michael to officially have 6 No.1's off the Bad album Leave Me Alone needs to have been No.1 in that specific chart in the Billboard Hot 100 Chart for sales in the USA, it tracks the sales of the mainstream singles. If it was No.1 in any other Billboard charts like the dance or soul chart etc, it wouldn't officially count, as it needs to be in that Billboard Hot 100 Chart.

Michael can only get a 6th No.1 if all fans based in the USA download a song like Smooth Criminal or Leave Me Alone. Because Michael and Katy Perry's record of 5 No.1's off one album is specifically for 5 No'1 in the Billboard Hot 100 Chart. Not 5 No'1s off the album including those in any other countries. You could say Michael had 6 No.1's off the Bad album with Leave Me Alone as it was No.1 in Spain in 1989, but that is not the same as having 5 No'1's in one specific chart in the USA, UK or Spain off one album. It's about a having series of singles from one album dominating the mainstream chart in one country, as Michael did with the singles off Bad in the USA.
 
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ooh, what a surprise, she is fallen down from 1 to 5. ^^ :smilerolleyes:
 
Katy Perry sets another chart record‎


Katy Perry’s record-breaking streak continues as she becomes the first artist in Billboard’s Adult Pop Songs chart history to achieve four number ones from the same album.


Daughtry and Nickelback are the only artists to have come close to the singer’s record, with both rock bands landing three number ones from the same albums.


Early August saw Perry’s Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.) land the top spot on the Billboard Hot 100 mainstream chart, giving her a fifth number one from the same album, matching Michael Jackson’s previous record who also manage the high five in 1987 and 1988 with hits from his album Bad.


Katy has admitted she was amazed at the news and could not hide her delight at matching Jackson‘s achievements.

She tweeted: “What a way to wake up! So proud to announce that the little-engine-that-could of a song'Last Friday Night is officially No One and made history.”


Kate was quick to praise her fans for being the first woman ever to achieve the feat, saying: “I couldn't have done it with out you. I really owe you guys big.

“So take this moment to give yourselves a high five.“

http://www.musicrooms.net/rock-and-pop/40149-katy-perry-sets-another-chart-record.html
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3Qs: How music artists go from good to “Bad”


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Music industry expert David Herlihy examines artist Katy Perry’s recent success, the accomplishment she shares with Michael Jackson and how the industry has evolved since the 80s. Photo by Kuni Takahashi.

August 31, 2011
http://www.northeastern.edu/news/storie ... ot100.html

Whether or not you’re a fan of Katy Perry, her skyrocketing success in the pop music world cannot be denied. Not only did Perry win Video of the Year at the MTV Video Music Awards this weekend, but earlier this month the pop star became the first female artist in the history of the Billboard Hot 100 to have five singles from one album (“Teenage Dream”) reach No. 1 on the chart — joining only the “King of Pop” himself, Michael Jackson, in achieving this feat. We asked music industry expert David Herlihy, associate academic specialist in the College of Arts, Media and Design, to examine how the music industry has changed since Jackson’s five singles from “Bad” topped Billboard’s charts and what this milestone means for Perry’s career.

How does Katy Perry's music career compare to that of Michael Jackson's when he earned five Billboard No. 1 Hot 100 hits in 1987-88? Why are these the only two artists who’ve earned this accomplishment?

Billboard Hot 100 rankings are based on radio play and sales. The exposure necessary to “top the charts” does not come cheap. Record labels spend millions of dollars on coordinated media and radio campaigns in order to achieve the ubiquity necessary to reach upper chart positions.

Perry, like Jackson, creates highly produced, dance oriented pop music — a genre that appeals to a wide range of people and has a history of success on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart. Moreover, like Jackson, Perry is charismatic and telegenic — an essential ingredient for mass appeal. As a result, both Perry and Jackson have been top priorities for their respective record labels, and these companies pulled out all the stops to achieve massive exposure.

That said, there is a certain “Je ne sais quoi” as to why a given artist reaches a big audience. If more labels understood the “special sauce” to create massive crossover appeal, more artists would achieve it.

What major shifts have occurred in the music industry since Jackson first achieved this feat?

The impact of digital technology has completely disrupted virtually every aspect of the recorded music industry. Jackson’s chart topping accomplishment was achieved during the “top down” entertainment era, when essentially the only way to discover artists and music was to tune in to major media outlets, such as commercial radio, television, newspapers and magazines, and the only way to acquire new music was to visit a record store to purchase a physical record.

The entertainment industry in 2011 is exemplified by a “bottom up dynamic,” in which fans connect directly to musicians and with each other. The gatekeeping intermediaries that controlled the music industry in the 1980s are no longer necessary for an artist to reach his or her audience.

Because recorded sales are diminishing overall and radio play is no longer essential for artists to reach their audiences, the Billboard Hot 100 no longer functions as a fool-proof measurement of an artist’s success or longevity. In today’s digital entertainment environment, an artist’s accomplishments might be more accurately measured by an analysis of social media activity, merchandise sales and attendance at live engagements.

What will Perry’s achievement mean for her career, and does it lend insight into the music industry as a whole and the direction it’s headed?

While Perry’s achievement is certainly momentous, achieving multiple Hot 100 Chart positions is not the career guarantee it once was. Because of the diminishing role of radio and retail in the popularization and dissemination of music, Perry will need to continually work harder to maintain her primacy in the current fragmented, super-niche media marketplace.
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Congratulations to her, I guess? It comes as no surprise, really. After all, records are made to be broken. I don't believe these records give credit to one's artistical talent, but if it helps one to boast, then may it be so.
 
Katy Perry To Challenge Michael Jackson's Chart Record With New 6th Single
http://www.gigwise.com/news/66905/Katy- ... t-Got-Away


Katy Perry could be set to beat Michael Jackson's chart record if her next single goes to number one in the US.

The singer revealed today (September 16) that her next single to be released from her 2010 album 'Teenage Dream' will be 'The One That Got Away'.

As previously reported on Gigwise, Perry recently became the first female single to score five US number one singles after releasing a remix version of her track 'Last Friday Night' featuring Missy Elliott.

Perry's five number one tracks are 'California Gurls', 'Teenage Dream', 'Firework', 'E.T.' and 'Last Friday Night'.

If the 'The One That Got Away' goes to numbet one she will beat the record held by Michael Jackson for his five number one singles including 'I Just Can't Stop Loving You', 'Bad', 'The Way You Make Me Feel', 'Man In The Mirror' and 'Dirty Diana' released from his album 'Bad'

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Katy Perry's Sixth 'Teenage Dream' Single Will Be...
http://www.billboard.com/news/katy-perr ... 1222.story


Such is the thinking, as voiced by EMI Music/Capitol Records EVP/marketing and promotion Greg Thompson, behind the label's decision to release a sixth pop radio single from Katy Perry's album, "Teenage Dream."

The set's "The One That Got Away" goes for airplay next month.

And, what could be gained is a first in the Billboard Hot 100's 53-year history.

The first five singles from the album - "California Gurls," featuring Snoop Dogg; the title cut; "Firework"; "E.T.," featuring Kanye West; and, "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" - all reached the Hot 100's summit, making Perry the first woman to notch five No. 1s on the chart from one album.

Michael Jackson is the only other artist to have accomplished the feat, having scored five leaders from "Bad" in 1987-88. (The sixth single from "Bad," "Another Part of Me," peaked at No. 11. Seventh and final single "Smooth Criminal" reached No. 7).

Thus, should "One" follow the first five singles from "Dream" to the top, Perry would become the first artist to crack open a six-pack of Hot 100 No. 1s from one album.

Capitol confirmed the single choice to Billboard at last night's (Sept. 13) performance by Perry's labelmate Lady Antebellum at New York City's Irving Plaza. The country trio celebrated the release of its third studio album, "Own the Night," by introducing songs from the set (including its "favorite," according to the band's Hillary Scott, ballad "Cold as Stone") and sampling its previous hits, a set that closed with its 2009 five-week Country Songs No. 1, and pop and adult crossover smash, "Need You Now."

The label stressed that it is not specifically releasing "One" with the hopes of rewriting Hot 100 history. Rather, the decision factors in Perry's fondness for the song, its ear-catching hook and her obvious track record of success at pop radio.

"If it goes to No. 1, that would be great," said Thompson. "If not, we still have a Katy song on the radio in fourth quarter," potentially fueling further sales for "Dream" in the busiest of shopping seasons.


Even if "One" is not a Hot 100 No. 1, Perry still offers her fans the gift of a Yuletide-timed release. If it does reach the apex, Perry herself opens the gift of unprecedented Hot 100 history.

Adding to the song's chart-topping potential: a "touch-up," i.e., a Dr. Luke-produced radio edit of the album version (which he also produced), according to Thompson, and a video. The label is currently "reading treatments" for the proposed clip. (Perry penned the song with Dr. Luke (Lukasz Gottwald) and Max Martin).

Perry's "California Dreams Tour," which kicked off in February, continues with U.S., South American and European dates through Dec. 1. Of the 40 concerts reported to Billboard Boxscore, the tour has grossed $22 million and played to 408,000 fans.


On its path to equaling the King of Pop's Hot 100 milestone, "Dream" has sold 1.8 million copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The set opened at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 the week of Sept. 11, 2010, and has remained in the chart's top 40 for all 55 of its chart weeks.

While "One" is the sixth pop single from "Dream," another track from the album has topped a Billboard tally. "Peacock" joined the set's five Hot 100 leaders as No. 1s on Billboard's Dance/Club Play Songs chart.
Meanwhile, Katy Perry's 'Last Friday Night' has been named VH1's 'Song of the Summer'.
 
Fans buy &#8216;Smooth Criminal&#8217; to give Michael&#8217;s Billboard record back

Michael Jackson was the first artist to achieve the record of having five number one hits from one album on Billboard. Billboard Hot 100 is America&#8217;s number one hitlist. Recently Katy Perry was the first female artist to do the same.

Michael notched his quintet of number one&#8217;s over nine months and two weeks while Perry needed one year, two months and one week. While Michael earned the achievement more quickly, Perry has spent more time at the Hot 100. Michael&#8217;s five number one&#8217;s from the Bad album totaled a combinated seven weeks in charge. With the first week on top for Friday, Perry is up to 18 total weeks at number one with her singles from the Dream album.

American fans have no decided to campaign for Michael to get back his record of artist with most number one songs from a single album. They are asking their fellow fans in the United States to buy the single Smooth Criminal. This song has never reached the first spot of the Hot 100 (The sixth single from "Bad," "Another Part of Me," peaked at No. 11. Seventh and final single "Smooth Criminal" reached No. 7) so if they manage to do this it would make Michael the first singer with six number one songs from one album.

Let&#8217;s hope they pull this off!
 
Seriously? Well I'm not wishing her any luck there.
 
Moonwalker.Fan, The Billboard Hot 100 is a chart for the CURRENT songs, therefore Smooth Criminal is not eligible to re-enter the Hot 100.

I wrote something about that subject before: READ HERE
 
I have to say that the extent of how badly the media, press, industry, Katy Perry and her management want to take this record from Michael is becoming pathetic!! It's like do they believe that by doing this they'll be able to break down the legacy Michael made???

Michael dosen't need a billboard number to indentify his music... his songs are god given masterpieces that have touched the lives of every human being that was ever blessed to hear it... the voice of an angel, the musical beat of a genius and the words of a legend; that's Michael's music, that's Michael's timeless classics that will play on for centuries to come regardless of a pathetic and stupid billboard "record". You want that record so bad... go take it! Music has lost all meaning anyways since Michael left us, so this record has no meaning anyways... you can try whatever you want but at the end of the day Michael will remain THE GOD OF MUSIC and Katy Perry will be a slutty teeny bopping one hit wonder!! This record means nothing anymore, I hope she takes it, Michael dosen't need his name to be degraded in a place where they believe a song like "Man In The Mirror" should be placed next to a song like "California Girls"!
 
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