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Jermaine jackson drops big bucks on ferrari

LastTear said:
@Bubs, yes that's the list I have in my head, in my mind if you are bankrupt then you are pretty much broke, ie any extras above reasonable living goes towards your debts. We know how KJ got out of bankruptcy, but what about the others?
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I disagree. I think with changes in bankruptcy rules, bankruptcy has proved quite an attractive way of avoiding creditors, esp if you have partners/relatives you can offload/hide your assets to and you're not super ethical. I'm thinking of anthea turner and her husband, the maxwell pension scandal where one of the sons, kevin, declared bankruptcy yet continued to live the high life with it all being in his wife's name. Bankruptcy def doesn't signal the end of a lavish lifestyle for the rich, just means creditors don't get paid.
 
LastTear said:
@Bubs, I think I'm probably assuming that she is no longer bankrupt as her moonie lawsuit was settled thanks to a loan from the Estate.

eta I believe her bankruptcy was the reason Michael gave her cash rather than any monies going through her account.
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Ok. She did file chapter 7 with Joe in 1999, and Moonies been after her money ever since.
It is possible to file bankcruptcy more than once, a la D Trump:)



Bonnie Blue said:
I disagree. I think with changes in bankruptcy rules, bankruptcy has proved quite an attractive way of avoiding creditors, esp if you have partners/relatives you can offload/hide your assets to and you're not super ethical. I'm thinking of anthea turner and her husband, the maxwell pension scandal where one of the sons, kevin, declared bankruptcy yet continued to live the high life with it all being in his wife's name. Bankruptcy def doesn't signal the end of a lavish lifestyle for the rich, just means creditors don't get paid.
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Bonnie, I don't know which one is better, being a broke or unethical loser who doesn't pay debts:)
 
Not paying the full amount of child support does NOT mean a person is not providing for there children.. Someone to say something like that must not have ever lived through it or has only been on the recieving end and has a bias view.

A Large percentage of people that have to pay childsupport are given a number very hard to reach, and is not a figure built just on the childrens needs.. It's built on the childrens needs,lifestyle they had, the ex-spouses needs, and POTENTIAL of earnings of a person..

We are all going to have different views on this topic, but there is FACT behind what I am saying.. I have not met one man personally that does pay child support where they are living a more comfortable life than his ex because of childsupport and/ alimony.

Non of them make millions (ones that I know) but every one has the same thing in common, they give more than they can afford, or when they have to give what they is owed they live an unfair lifestyle for how much effort and earnings they have..

We have no idea how much or how often Jermaine is paying for childsupport, just because someone is X years behind it doesnt mean he hasnt paid for X amount of years.. the way they come up with that term is this..

Lets say someone has to pay 2 million a year for child support.. over a 10 year period they pay 1 million. they are 5 years behind in childsupport.. There would be 10 million still owed.. Yet the ex and his children stil lrecieved 10 million dollars within a 10 year timeframe.. That is still enough to support children..

I don't know where the world came to if we think when we are talking in the game of millions that it's something to pitty!

We have no idea what Jermaine has given and provides, or how much time he spends with them.. Childsupport doesn't just go to the children!! get real.. it goes to the EX which in return spends the money how they want.. There are parents that refuse to pay child support and pay for there kids stuff directly yet are in debt for not paying childsupport.. They buy food, clothing, shelter, and everything they vertually need but don't pay childsupport because it goes to the mother, not the kids.

We are not jermaines Financial advisors and we don't know his income, finances, assets, or how much he spends on his kids so we can't really talk sh**!
 
Bonnie Blue said:
I disagree. I think with changes in bankruptcy rules, bankruptcy has proved quite an attractive way of avoiding creditors, esp if you have partners/relatives you can offload/hide your assets to and you're not super ethical. I'm thinking of anthea turner and her husband, the maxwell pension scandal where one of the sons, kevin, declared bankruptcy yet continued to live the high life with it all being in his wife's name. Bankruptcy def doesn't signal the end of a lavish lifestyle for the rich, just means creditors don't get paid.
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I don't know enough about how bankruptcy works tbh, I think it makes a difference if it's a Ltd company that becomes bankrupt, rather than an individual, if an individual who becomes bankrupt they can go after property and savings to recoup.
 
@ KOPV
Not paying the full amount of child support does NOT mean a person is not providing for there children.. Someone to say something like that must not have ever lived through it or has only been on the recieving end and has a bias view.

A Large percentage of people that have to pay childsupport are given a number very hard to reach, and is not a figure built just on the childrens needs.. It's built on the childrens needs,lifestyle they had, the ex-spouses needs, and POTENTIAL of earnings of a person..
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Im not sure where you are getting your information from, we are not talking about what an ex wife is demanding, we are talking about an amount that is court ordered. Ie the courts look into what everyone has and decides on an amount, each person can have their say on the subject and the courts many reduce it.

But regardless of the above, how do you justify a father no supporting his children but then purchasing a luxury car?
 
^ Who are you to say he's not supporting his children..

I will re itterate again.. Childsupport goes to the mother! SIMPLE.. you have no idea how much money Jermaine gives to his children.

Imagine you make 50K a year, and the court demands you to pay 35K a year in childsupport.. and you live off of 15K.. is that fair?? I'm not saying this is the case for Jermaine, but WE DON'T KNOW!! so we have no place to talk..


Child support does not go to a seperate account for the children, so many seperated parents pay directly for there childrens things instead of paying court ordered costs to the mother that says this is whats needed to support the kids.. it's B.S...

The EX gets the money, not the kids... The kids are often used for the money!!
 
KOPV said:
^ Who are you to say he's not supporting his children..

I will re itterate again.. Childsupport goes to the mother! SIMPLE.. you have no idea how much money Jermaine gives to his children.

Imagine you make 50K a year, and the court demands you to pay 35K a year in childsupport.. and you live off of 15K.. is that fair?? I'm not saying this is the case for Jermaine, but WE DON'T KNOW!! so we have no place to talk..


Child support does not go to a seperate account for the children, so many seperated parents pay directly for there childrens things instead of paying court ordered costs to the mother that says this is whats needed to support the kids.. it's B.S...

The EX gets the money, not the kids... The kids are often used for the money!!
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Why is it BS? You think kids can right cheques to the gas company? Please, if kids were in charge of maintenance it would be spent on candy. You think a mother should go the the child, 'your share of the gas, water, electricity, food, is x amount' Of course it gets paid to the care giver of the children.

Courts don't just grab figures out the sky it is based on earnings and if you show your earnings were less then your amounts would be reduced.

I can say that he is not financially supporting his children based on the facts given.
 
Bubs said:
Bonnie, I don't know which one is better, being a broke or unethical loser who doesn't pay debts:)
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Tbh, being broke. It can happen to anyone if they're really unlucky. I just really dislike people taking advantage of bankruptcy to avoid paying their debts to the 'little people'. It certainly ticked off vaccaro enough who was owed money by the jacksons, cdn't collect because of a declaration of bankruptcy, turned detective to find hidden assets and discovered mrs j's storage locker, and the rest is history.
 
KOPV said:
^ Who are you to say he's not supporting his children..

I will re itterate again.. Childsupport goes to the mother! SIMPLE.. you have no idea how much money Jermaine gives to his children.

Imagine you make 50K a year, and the court demands you to pay 35K a year in childsupport.. and you live off of 15K.. is that fair?? I'm not saying this is the case for Jermaine, but WE DON'T KNOW!! so we have no place to talk..


Child support does not go to a seperate account for the children, so many seperated parents pay directly for there childrens things instead of paying court ordered costs to the mother that says this is whats needed to support the kids.. it's B.S...

The EX gets the money, not the kids... The kids are often used for the money!!
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I agree with everything you've been saying. Jermaine spends a lot of time with his kids and obviously provides for them during those times. He also pays for their education. I think the reason he has had trouble paying his support is because he doesn't want Alejandra to have the money. Now with that being said, he still SHOULD pay and NEEDS to pay because a court ordered him to and it's the right thing to do. But I've come to realize child support cases are not black or white. There is a lot of grey area involved.
 
^ Have you lived it? Child support is hardly ever set up fairly..

There is absolutely no reason an EX should pocket money off of the children.. which is what generally happens..

Even the lawsuit against him:

Alejandra states, they will need, among other things, approximately $7,000 for rent (based on the going rate for a five-bedroom home), $2,500 for groceries and supplies, $1,800 for utilities and $1,000 for pet expenses.


* 5 bedroom.. They have 3 kids together
* $1,000 for pet expenses.. um ok!!

It has been obvious from the get-go that she has went after the Jacksons for money.. She has kids with Randy, gets his money, has kids with Jermaine gets his money.. She has been a Jackson groupie and in my opinion you attacking Jermaine for is un intendant defending her actions.
It is very easy to use children for Child Support money!! That is what she's doing...

It is no coincidence she sued Randy for Child Support too, just last year..
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No, I haven't lived it but have read many stories about the subject and I agree a lot of the time the ex pockets the money instead of giving it to the children. I also agree with you about Alejandra. She's made it clear she wants to live the lavish lifestyle no matter what. The fact that she continued to live at Havenhurst even after she divorced Jermaine and how she's still buddy buddy with many of the family members today (especially with the second generation)shows the type of woman she is. No way in hell would I still live in the same house as my ex's family after the divorce. I have too much respect for myself, obviously something she doesn't have. I do have to correct you on one thing though, she has never gotten money from Randy. He somehow managed to not have to pay her. When she sued him last year she lost.
 
It's doesn't matter what we think of the mother - it takes two!

Yes I have lived it, from both sides, had an ex who thought just because he didn't live with his child that he shouldnt pay a penny and resented any amount he did give and since a new husband who paid through the nose for his child, and I never resented him supporting his child. It doesn't make me biased it gives me empathy.

I have little respect for Alejandra but I don't think she lived at Havenhurst out of choice.

'exes pocket the money' - I mean really...... some women give up careers to raise children. Besides which you don't 'give' the money to the children, you use it to help provide for their needs.
 
yeah she lives at Havenhurst because she has no ulternative.. She has to live in a 5 million dollar - 10,476 sq foot, 1.05 acre house. (Sarcasim)

I'm sorry but she's a grown @$$ woman, she can move out...

Even when she moved out (kicked out) she lived in a large condo owned by the Jackson Estate. You tell me what disability does she have where she can't work?? and do HER end of the bargin of being a mother?? We can talk crap about jermaine not paying child support.. but what is she doing financially to help her children?? I'll tell you running his name through the papers and taking his money.. nothing on her own.

So the good parenting she has, Thank jermaine that! he is her employer basically..

He's gone through hell because of this woman, couldnt renew his passport (while stuck out of the country) until he paid just under $100,000.. She's mouched off the Jacksons for far too long..

So when we get mad at the Jacksons for sueing for X amount of money to whoever next and we get mad at them for trying to get money off of MJ's name.. Don't forget about this b**** where a percentage of that money goes to and she's not even related.. She's a scum/mouch!

She prostituded herself for money... She needs to get a job and take care of her kids! There is no reason to defend her in any way.. Jermaine has done MORE than his part financially.. He and the Jacksons are even raising the mother!!



Oh and to add the the statement about her NOT being able to move out... if anything, it's the Jacksons that can't afford for her to move out... What and buy her another house? It's financially safter just to keep her there and let her mouch.
 
KOPV said:
* 5 bedroom.. They have 3 kids together
* $1,000 for pet expenses.. um ok!!
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Maybe A. is collecting homeless cats and dogs every evening and takes them to her home and serves them dinner....
and for that she needs the fifth sleepingroom.:yes: :yes: :yes:
 
KOPV said:
^ Who are you to say he's not supporting his children..

I will re itterate again.. Childsupport goes to the mother! SIMPLE.. you have no idea how much money Jermaine gives to his children.

Imagine you make 50K a year, and the court demands you to pay 35K a year in childsupport.. and you live off of 15K.. is that fair?? I'm not saying this is the case for Jermaine, but WE DON'T KNOW!! so we have no place to talk..


Child support does not go to a seperate account for the children, so many seperated parents pay directly for there childrens things instead of paying court ordered costs to the mother that says this is whats needed to support the kids.. it's B.S...

The EX gets the money, not the kids... The kids are often used for the money!!
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Erri uh...since when did it become B.S.? The REAL B.S. is buying a Ferrari and not paying child support.

He spends time with his kids, okay? Does that necessarily mean he pays child support? No. And since when was Jerm paying the child support himself? Last time I looked, MJ's estate was doing it.

Oh, and by the way, last time I checked we have every single place to speak. They're called opinions.
 
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I'm embarrassed for both Jermaine and Alejandra after reading this: http://ll-media.extratv.com/archive/...jacksonpdf.pdf

They both come across as dishonest. Jermaine pretty much states he's a grown man with several children who has lived off his mother until he could find a girlfriend who was able to take care of him.
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I just read that whole document and it has me shaking my head.

Jermaine Jacksun says that he is willing to pick up the children from school, etc so that Alejandra (sp?) can find full-time work but he dare not take on work that would lower is market value. I mean - WTF?

In ALL the years he was married to this lady he did not get ANY work to prop up his market value, what makes him think that his market value is worth anything now? Isn't kinda like a car, depreciating in value each and every year?

And I think it is regrettable that he is content to have the women in his life take care of him financially.

The man has nothing to show for his professional life and achievements except a frigging Ferrari!!!

Furthermore, he maintains in those court docs that he has no source of income WHATSOEVER - where did the cash come from for this fancy car? Hmm - we had the book, the tribute show, the tour ....Anyone who wants to believe that Jermaine does not use Michael's name, image and message to make money, is fooling themselves.

And further to my furthermore - Jermaine gets money from Mummy. Where does Mummy get money from...?
 
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Wasn't Jermaine's passport taken because he didn't pay child support? But he bought a super expensive Ferrari! :doh:

Absolutely irresponsible and shameless his little super famous brother supported his children and not their own father and even their mother. Did Michael seriously gave money to all his slackers brothers while he was here? If so, Joseph and Katherine were horrible parents.
 
TheChosenOne said:
I just read that whole document and it has me shaking my head.

Jermaine Jacksun says that he is willing to pick up the children from school, etc so that Alejandra (sp?) can find full-time work but he dare not take on work that would lower is market value. I mean - WTF?

In ALL the years he was married to this lady he did not get ANY work to prop up his market value, what makes him think that his market value is worth anything now? Isn't kinda like a car, depreciating in value each and every year?

And I think it is regrettable that he is content to have the women in his life take care of him financially.

The man has nothing to show for his professional life and achievements except a frigging Ferrari!!!

Furthermore, he maintains in those court docs that he has no source of income WHATSOEVER - where did the cash come from for this fancy car? Hmm - we had the book, the tribute show, the tour ....Anyone who wants to believe that Jermaine does not use Michael's name, image and message to make money, is fooling themselves.

And further to my furthermore - Jermaine gets money from Mummy. Where does Mummy get money from...?
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That document is from 2007. A lot of things have changed since then. Not saying he didn't have income then but things have obviously changed for the better for him since that time.
 
^^ Which is why I edited the post to indicate, the book, the tour, etc.

And does not really change the fact that, even though he not have to pay full price for it, he appears to have chosen to buy a Ferrari instead of providing financial support for his children. And to have bought it when he did, does raise some brows!
 
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Lynn88 said:
That document is from 2007. A lot of things have changed since then. Not saying he didn't have income then but things have obviously changed for the better for him since that time.
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Michael's death opened a hell lot of doors for him, doors that had remained closed the last two decades otherwise. Jermaine undoubtedly profited from Michael's death - heck the first two years after Michael's death, he was on a roll, probably the biggest career high he had since 1976.
 
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His passport expired while out of the country.. He wasn't allowed to renew it until he paid..

And to the comment about us not talking about what his ex demands but what court orders??? We are aware that the ex is the one who makes the number takes it to the fudge and try to convince him/her that they deserve it right? So in with that its almost one in the same..

And its very easy to come up with reasons to make the judge agree...
 
Well if you care about the children you've put into this world, you could take care of your own children... like Michael did for example. *shrugs* You wouldn't even have to involve a judge whom noone involved can pay uh?!

In the danger of repeating myself... it should be clear before one puts sperm and egg together (valid for both involved).

If whyever you put children in this world, the children simply have to come first.

If lifestyle, ferraris, hondas are more important, or if your sick relationship, anger, bitterness about the broken relationship to the person you made the children with come first, let's conclude it to the simple result... if you and your pride come first not being a parent with dignity then you'll probably always be a damn dumb looser in lots of other ppls eyes (even if you have a garage full of several ferraris and rolls royces! lol shaking my head). It's also a question of which values you present your very own child to be important in life!

That's valid for both parents involved of cuz!
You just have no idea what you're missing (there's usually hardly space for a comfortable childrens safety seat in a ferrari ;) )!!! As simple as that!

And that's why I'll always feel sorry for the children of such parents!
 
KOPV said:
His passport expired while out of the country.. He wasn't allowed to renew it until he paid..

And to the comment about us not talking about what his ex demands but what court orders??? We are aware that the ex is the one who makes the number takes it to the fudge and try to convince him/her that they deserve it right? So in with that its almost one in the same..

And its very easy to come up with reasons to make the judge agree...
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You are trying very hard to make it alejandra's mistake . The huge problem with what you continue to write is each and every woman that jermaine had children with complained from the same things you want us to believe are created by alejndra. Each and every woman said he did not support his kids . If he was supporting his kids through other channels like you suggest , he for sure would have produced such evidence to courts. He did not, his argument has always been " I have no financial means to support them their mother should support them and me!!!! "
 
"yeah she lives at Havenhurst because she has no ulternative.. She has to live in a 5 million dollar - 10,476 sq foot, 1.05 acre house. (Sarcasim)
I'm sorry but she's a grown @$$ woman, she can move out... "

You have to remember that Randy "provided" house got her and their kids.
He said in 2012 that they struck a deal in 93 that him and Michael (at this stage MJ was dead so he couldn't agree/deny) agreed to let her live in Encino so Randy didn't have to pay child support.


"He's gone through hell because of this woman, couldnt renew his passport (while stuck out of the country) until he paid just under $100,000.. She's mouched off the Jacksons for far too long.."

Poor Jermaine :smilerolleyes:
He truly went through the hell, he went to MJ's executors and asked them to pay his child support, and when that didn't work, he asked Katherine, who in turn went to executors and asked loan for Jermaine's child support. If Alejandra mouched off Jackson's far too long, Jermaine mouched off Michael (not just Jermaine, all of them) and still haven't stopped mouching.
Poor poor Jermaine, he worked so hard.

"She prostituded herself for money... She needs to get a job and take care of her kids! There is no reason to defend her in any way.. Jermaine has done MORE than his part financially.. He and the Jacksons are even raising the mother!!"

I don't defend her at all, but I don't defend Jermaine either. Jermaine hasn't done more than his part. It has always been someone else to save his sorry ass.

"Oh and to add the the statement about her NOT being able to move out... if anything, it's the Jacksons that can't afford for her to move out... What and buy her another house? It's financially safter just to keep her there and let her mouch."

I think they should kick her out and let her write tell-all book as that would sort out all of her money problems once and all:D
 
Soundmind said:
You are trying very hard to make it alejandra's mistake . The huge problem with what you continue to write is each and every woman that jermaine had children with complained from the same things you want us to believe are created by alejndra. Each and every woman said he did not support his kids . If he was supporting his kids through other channels like you suggest , he for sure would have produced such evidence to courts. He did not, his argument has always been " I have no financial means to support them their mother should support them and me!!!! "
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I agree. What irks me is that that as 60 years old senior, he still relies on someone else to help him out, and blames someone else for his own mistakes. He saw Alejandra with Randy, no one forced him to get on with her, and what stopped him to used condoms if he didn't want to pay child support? This poor Jermaine mantra is starting to sound like people who defend poor Conrad Murray. He too blamed someone else of his own mistake and he too have supporters.
 
Unbelievable some people defend Jermaine for being such irresponsible, abusive father and husband letting his little and richer brother to take care of those responsibilities and his messes. POOR MICHAEL IN FACT!

There's the Matgaret Maldonado book in jetzi (if the site is still open), she wrote more in detail many of the things some of us mentioned. What I don't understand is how so many women got involved with him if he's a good for nothing. Probably he made them believe he was rich in the beginning.... :thinking:
 
Where is Madam Pongo when you need her:)



TheChosenOne said:
I just read that whole document and it has me shaking my head.
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I was shaking my head when Jermaine petioned court to seal the documents and limit public access to anything related to his assets, debts and anything releted to his financial matters and says he has right for privacy.
When he and Randy cooked up AEG case, there were no such a concerns about Michael's private matters. They didn't mind if Michael's private issues were brought out for the whole world to see. Shaking my head.
He also said in in 2007 he would feel discomfort the public finding out he is not working, makes no money and cannot support his kids:)

"Petitioner contends that if this relief is not granted his future employment and business negotiations will be prejudiced because of the public's perception Petioner's ability to support his children. Petitioner also says he will come under scrutiny and this will have negative impact on the media's attitude on him."

That was what he said 2007. He is still in same situation in 2013.
There he basically says that as long as public doesn't know he doesn't pay his child support it is ok, and then he says accuses media for negative impact. Typical Jermaine, blaming someone else as usual, but not the man in the mirror :doh:
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Seemingly Alejandra have some sort of job, or had in 2007. In those court documents there was a mention of Shelter International LLC (Alejandra Jackson Designs)
http://www.linkedin.com/in/alejandrajackson
 
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No one is defending Jermaine.. That's not the take I am taking here!! Its a matter of people here trying to paint him as a bad parent and don't know at alllllllll what he did or did not do for his kids besides what a lawsuit says...

Jermaine has done a lot of dumb stuff! That doesn't mean he's a bad parent.. And if he really was id think more of his exes or adult children would make that known.

Yeah he got a car.. I that makes not even a quarter of what Jermaine does could go lease/buy/rent a car just like him.. Make payments on it! He could have easily made plans to make small payments on it.. Especially if a Jackson walks on a car lot and says he wants a car..

No one is saying poor Jermaine.. But we have no bases to talk about his parenting because he is behind in child support.. Which now is being garnished anyways.
 
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