If Michael announced a tour today....

[last unicorn]

First MJ has to have a REAL comeback, including a good and successful album, some performances at various shows, good videos and singles and a promotion that really works.

Then he could consider doing a tour, not a world tour wirh 100s of concerts but a smaller tour with only a couple of shows.

Why?
Neither the Dangerous nor the HIStory tour sold out.
Towards the end of the HIStory tour, even diehard fans were getting disappointed because of static setlists, repetitive shows and most of all the liy-synching.
Stadium concerts aren't made up of hardcore fans.
Of course all of us would go and see MJ live at concert, but we tend to forget that we are only a minority, not the majority of people MJ will be depending on for album and ticket sales.

A while ago, Madonna came to my country, it was her very first concert here.
People were expecting tickets to sell out quickly, but instead, only about 3/4 of the tickets sold and there were a lof of tickets still available on concert day.
After the show, many people expressed their disappointment, because there was too much show and not enough music.
It's an obvious trend: People want to go and see "real" musicians who put on a good show, not pure "entertainers", at least here where I live.

MJ has to consider the tour very well and most of all make a really good album, otherwise people will continue to think of him only as the freak the media has portrayed for so many years and not the musician he once was.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Neither the Dangerous nor the HIStory tour sold out.

sorry but thats really a daft statement to make. so u expect every single concert to sell out? so if it sells 50000 tickets for a 55000 venue its a failure? there were a huge amount of sold out concerts on all tours the fact he played to millions over each tour tells you that. your post acts as if every concert only sold a quarter or less of tickets that were on sale for each show

Towards the end of the HIStory tour, even diehard fans were getting disappointed because of static setlists, repetitive shows and most of all the liy-synching.

of course its going to repetitive if you have seen the show 20 times. if fans were still buying the tickets and going to shows id hardly say they were disapointed. its towards the end of a long tour why would you expect set lists to suddenly change just to please fans who had already been to 20 concerts ratehr than pleasingthe ppl who were going for the first time as the tour was in their country.

the negativity of some fans is so OTT and acting like drama queens without even having a good argument. i tell you what maybe mj shouldnt do feck all cause im sure some of you will bitch and moan about the slightest thing anyway when and if their are concerts.

 

[lilsusie]

I prefer him doing a world tour and i believe he will sell out every concerts but I'd glad as long as he does some shows.. That one fan who said he has smaller fanbase than madonna and U2, I don't agree with that. He has many casual 'fans' and people generally are interested in watching him perform.

 

[GenieBottle]

sorry but thats really a daft statement to make. so u expect every single concert to sell out? so if it sells 50000 tickets for a 55000 venue its a failure? there were a huge amount of sold out concerts on all tours the fact he played to millions over each tour tells you that. your post acts as if every concert only sold a quarter or less of tickets that were on sale for each show



of course its going to repetitive if you have seen the show 20 times. if fans were still buying the tickets and going to shows id hardly say they were disapointed. its towards the end of a long tour why would you expect set lists to suddenly change just to please fans who had already been to 20 concerts ratehr than pleasingthe ppl who were going for the first time as the tour was in their country.

the negativity of some fans is so OTT and acting like drama queens without even having a good argument. i tell you what maybe mj shouldnt do feck all cause im sure some of you will bitch and moan about the slightest thing anyway when and if their are concerts.

^Word! You cant avoid that, everyone wants something from Michael, someone is gonna be dissapointed in the end.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I prefer him doing a world tour and i believe he will sell out every concerts but I'd glad as long as he does some shows

of course im sure most fans would want him to do as many shows as possible so theres a good chance he will perform somewhere that is near to them. but it makes no difference to me as i will go anywhere to see mj.the fact hes even thinking about doing shows is a blessing enough hes gonna do his part so ill do mine and go to where ever i have to to go to see him

That one fan who said he has smaller fanbase than madonna and U2, I don't agree with that. He has many casual 'fans' and people generally are interested in watching him perform.

well their record sales hardly support that fact and i doubt the amount of tickets sold for concerts does either. maybe U2 as they are stadium performers but not madonna.

 

[lilsusie]

of course im sure most fans would want him to do as many shows as possible so theres a good chance he will perform somewhere that is near to them. but it makes no difference to me as i will go anywhere to see mj.the fact hes even thinking about doing shows is a blessing enough hes gonna do his part so ill do mine and go to where ever i have to to go to see them.

I share your sentiment. ( =

 

[elusive moonwalker]

and u can have a holiday at the same time as seeing mj.u kill 2 birds with one stone.

 

[richardhardy1979]

First MJ has to have a REAL comeback, including a good and successful album, some performances at various shows, good videos and singles and a promotion that really works.

Then he could consider doing a tour, not a world tour wirh 100s of concerts but a smaller tour with only a couple of shows.

Why?
Neither the Dangerous nor the HIStory tour sold out.
Towards the end of the HIStory tour, even diehard fans were getting disappointed because of static setlists, repetitive shows and most of all the liy-synching.
Stadium concerts aren't made up of hardcore fans.
Of course all of us would go and see MJ live at concert, but we tend to forget that we are only a minority, not the majority of people MJ will be depending on for album and ticket sales.

A while ago, Madonna came to my country, it was her very first concert here.
People were expecting tickets to sell out quickly, but instead, only about 3/4 of the tickets sold and there were a lof of tickets still available on concert day.
After the show, many people expressed their disappointment, because there was too much show and not enough music.
It's an obvious trend: People want to go and see "real" musicians who put on a good show, not pure "entertainers", at least here where I live.

MJ has to consider the tour very well and most of all make a really good album, otherwise people will continue to think of him only as the freak the media has portrayed for so many years and not the musician he once was.

Well its totally different here in the UK, Take that who are not real music or musicians have sold 600,000 tickets, yes that is not a typing error - 600,000 tickets for multiple stadium shows in just 5 hours!!! so just imagine how many MJ could sell!!!

 

[bobmoo79]

Well its totally different here in the UK, Take that who are not real music or musicians have sold 600,000 tickets, yes that is not a typing error - 600,000 tickets for multiple stadium shows in just 5 hours!!! so just imagine how many MJ could sell!!!

Not as many, and not as fast IMO.

Take That beat MJs Bad Tour sales rate, so how can you expect MJ to beat that himself now?? That's too unrealistic!

I think if MJ does do a show at Wembley Stadium or any other stadium in Englad he will struggle to sell out. It's not very nice, but I think that'e the truth of the matter. HE didn't do many UK stadium shows for HIStory and they didn't sell out, so I don't expect him to do any better now. To be honest, I'd prefer him to do a show at Wembley Arene or the O2. He stands a better chance of selling out there too.

 

[MJandRFfan]

well i would for one be unable to get any tickets because i'm damn to slow at this type of stuff. i mean i just delayed my purchase of stevie wondr tickets from the morning of the first day to the afternoon of the fist day and i nearly couldn't get tickets.

so if it were Mj, he better announce it well in advance, so i can like....try to beat the rush and get some good "seats"

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

Michael can sell out stadiums. Believe that.

 

[MJ_Danca_KOP]

if MJ tours an has concerts he will totalllyyy rock ittttt!!!
an i think it will sell out definitlyy!!!

oh btw about the aussie idol doing an mj thing..
here in nz there was a nz's got talent contest and i saw alot of mj songs being played and alot of people doing MJ, it just reminds u how much he has inspired people. Plus, the person that won it was a boy who mixed dances an he mainly did MJ lol

even a beatboxer guy did billie jean an did the moonwalknig while beatboxing.
sorry for being out of subject but i had to say this afta i saw da aussie idol thing.

ohh did i say MJ willl rock ittttt??.. yea he will sell it outttttt

 

[elusive moonwalker]

HE didn't do many UK stadium shows for HIStory and they didn't sell out,

2 of the 3 nights at wembley in 07 sold out and the sheffield concert was a sell out bar a few k. in a stadium that held 50 thousand thats hardly a failure. i doubt mj will do stadiums anyway. it far cheaper to do arenas as there is a stage already there for you.where as at stadium gigs it costs a huge amount to create the stage/lighting and all the staff that is needed ontop of that

 

[Anyway]

2 of the 3 nights at wembley in 07 sold out and the sheffield concert was a sell out bar a few k. in a stadium that held 50 thousand thats hardly a failure. i doubt mj will do stadiums anyway. it far cheaper to do arenas as there is a stage already there for you.where as at stadium gigs it costs a huge amount to create the stage/lighting and all the staff that is needed ontop of that

Doing Arenas simply means there aren't enough people who goes to your concerts to full stadiums.
Simply that.
I actuallly prefers arenas, so much better concerts than stadium ones where you got to se the perfomance on big screens.

It is also true that people who do stadium concerts and they use a lot of special effects, then don't earn much.
For example I read that if a stadium tour earn 200 million dollar, after paying the label, the dancers, the costs of travel, the cost of special effects, the organization, etc.. what the artist will see after taxes is usally around 15-20 million, if lucky.
Prince with 21 concert at the O2 areana earned more than 20 million.

So if mj will do arenas is because he hasn't a fan base like those who sell put stadium like U2, or am I wrong?
Do you really think he is going to pay the concerts by himself?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Doing Arenas simply means there aren't enough people who goes to your concerts to full stadiums.
Simply that.

well thats not really correct. as u state prince did 21 (was it shows) at the 02. does that mean he couldnt have sold out wembley? the 02 holds 20000 ppl x that by 20 shows you are looking at 400,000 ppl. thats approx 6 concerts at wembley stadium.

as i said and as i think u are saying it cost less money to put on arena shows because of the stage and what not. i only want mj to do arenas if its going to be standing on the floor as seated tickets are totally unfair interms of who can get to the front

 

[Anyway]

well thats not really correct. as u state prince did 21 (was it shows) at the 02. does that mean he couldnt have sold out wembley? the 02 holds 20000 ppl x that by 20 shows you are looking at 400,000 ppl. thats approx 6 concerts at wembley stadium.

as i said and as i think u are saying it cost less money to put on arena shows because of the stage and what not. i only want mj to do arenas if its going to be standing on the floor as seated tickets are totally unfair interms of who can get to the front

Prince wont' have full a stadium sold out, since the tickets for an arena concert are so much cheaper, and many people came back more than once to see him, and also, doing 21 concerts in an arena or 1 in stadium is very different.

I also prefers arenas, but that also mean MJ fan base is smaller than ever.

I actually would like if he does a string of concerts in every country, but he won't.
Steve Wonder is on stage right now in europe and he sold out all the venues without any advertising, but media aren't talking about that, it could be tha same for mj.
The only thing is that in an ARENA MJ would be forced to sing LIVE: the concerts in a arena are so much more intimate and so much better from the sound point of view that if he start to lipsync, he wil be over.

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

If Michael does arena's it won't mean he can't sell out stadiums. It'll just mean he chose to do arenas instead. And if Michael does a lot of dancing, don't expect him to sing live. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. He's the greatest performing artist ever, it won't matter to people.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Prince wont' have full a stadium sold out, since the tickets for an arena concert are so much cheaper, and many people came back more than once to see him, and also, doing 21 concerts in an arena or 1 in stadium is very different.

well the figures are the figures. where ever the concerts were held upto 400 thousand tickets were sold and even if u knock off 100,000 tickets because its the same ppl coming back to see the show 300k still is the same as 4 shows at wembley stad. and in the UK arena tickets are just as expensive as stadium shows. madonna was charging crazy prices when she performed in arenas on a previous tour.she did lots of dates in the arenas but this tour she did stadiums. less concerts but prob still the same amount of tickets sold. so has herfanbase suddenly changed because she did arenas last time and stadiums this time? even though she prob sold the same amount of tickets.

The only thing is that in an ARENA MJ would be forced to sing LIVE: the concerts in a arena are so much more intimate and so much better from the sound point of view that if he start to lipsync, he wil be ov

performing in arenas doesnt stop many other artists from lipsyncing.

just be grateful mj is thinking about doing concerts rather than being concerned about where they will take place. you dont think mj will be critized regardless of what he does? and thats just fans moaning let alone the press who will slag him off no matter what happens. you think fan swould have gotten over that along time ago yet to some it seems more important than the fact mj is even thinking about doing shows again

 

[Anyway]

No, I don't think he will be critized for doing shows in stadium or arena.
But if does a lipsync show he will be over for real. Today lipsync is over, people who do live shows are the one who have the better time right now.
People can dowload music, they can buy DVD, but a live show is something you have to experience nowadays, and it is an experience you can't dowload. That's why I would prefer MJ doing arenas if he does sing live. I don't need to listen to a cd if I pay for a concert.
Simply that.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

No, I don't think he will be critized for doing shows in stadium or arena.

so why are u moaning then that if he does arenas it will be viewed that hes got a small fanbase.? sorry you keep contridicting yourself. ofcourse everyone will want him to sing live but if hes gonna do a normal mj show ie dancing then singing live on alot of sounds sound poor because its impossible to do. so if its a show like that then i dont reall care. if it were an unplugged type show then of course it has to be live. butat the end of the day when u are there at a show u cant really tell the difference anyway and frankly most dont care as you are there and caught up in the crazyness of it.

But if does a lipsync show he will be over for real

the media will says hes over whatever type show he does.

 

[arXter]

touring and (competitively) great performances is where it's all at these days, more than ever in Pop.

the media will says hes over whatever type show he does.

they declared this more than a decade ago. did you miss the memo?

 

[Anyway]

I didn't say people will think he has a smaller fan base, I said he has a smaller fans base. That's it.
And no, many artist do sing and dance at the same time. Simply has no sense to lipsync the whole concert anymore. IS not the time, people want live shows. Lipsync concerts are over, simply that, and he will be over if he does that, regardless what media say, lipsync concert are simply a shame for an artist nowadays.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I said he has a smaller fans base

you have lost me cause your full of contridictions. firstly its a case of if he does arenas it means hes got a smaller base. so if he then does stadiums it suddenly means hes got more fans? although he may only do one show in a stadium that holds 70k yet if he does for eg 5 shows at an arena that means 100K tickets were sold.and now u say he has a smaller fan base altogher. smaller from what thriller or the bad tour? well thats pretty obvious. yet he still has a bigger fan base then any artist who are in his area interms of age and time in the biz

 

[richardhardy1979]

This thread is becoming crazy, I mean MJ has the biggest fan base in the world! I would like to see another artist re-release an old studio album, not a compilation (ie Thriller) and sell well over an extra 2 million copies in a few months!!!!! Just 5 years ago he released Number 1s and in the UK it sold 1.5 million+ copies in the UK and loads of people already had the songs on previous albums. Surely with these sales figures it proves how popular he still is and could easily shift 500,000+ tickets, enough to sell out Wembley stadium many times, just remember prince sold over 400,000 and he is nothing compared to MJ in the UK.

 

[Hess]

This thread is becoming crazy, I mean MJ has the biggest fan base in the world! I would like to see another artist re-release an old studio album, not a compilation (ie Thriller) and sell well over an extra 2 million copies in a few months!!!!! Just 5 years ago he released Number 1s and in the UK it sold 1.5 million+ copies in the UK and loads of people already had the songs on previous albums. Surely with these sales figures it proves how popular he still is and could easily shift 500,000+ tickets, enough to sell out Wembley stadium many times, just remember prince sold over 400,000 and he is nothing compared to MJ in the UK.

Well said!

I agree very much!

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

I didn't say people will think he has a smaller fan base, I said he has a smaller fans base. That's it.
And no, many artist do sing and dance at the same time. Simply has no sense to lipsync the whole concert anymore. IS not the time, people want live shows. Lipsync concerts are over, simply that, and he will be over if he does that, regardless what media say, lipsync concert are simply a shame for an artist nowadays.

Michael is 50 years old, and yet people like Chris Brown, who is 19 years old, routinely lip sync. Michael kept up the intense dancing and live singing at the same time for as long as he could. Like elusive said, most people will just be overjoyed to be there and caught up in the moment. It won't end him in the least. After everything Michael's been through, for you to think that him lip synching would end his career, when everything else couldn't, is absurd. There's no gratitude here, it seems. And Michael's fan base is still larger then everyone elses. You have his hardcore fans, who roam around on the net looking for updates all the time, and then you have causual fans who simply enjoy his art, and they'll come too. Are you going by sales of "Invincible"? That still sold 10 million copies without any promotion, meaning a lot of people didn't even know it was out at the time. If they had, who knows what kind of units it would have moved. On top of which, people are interested to see if Michael can be successful and what he still has to offer, and those people will come to see him simply out of curiosity.

 

[sophia_louise]

^^^ i agree Michael still got it, even if he sat on stage twidling his thumbs aloot of people would come lol

 

[Anyway]

Well,
lets put it this way.
MJ has now a smaller fans base than ever, right? smaller than before the trail, and smaller that just after the trial.
If he does a tour and with 30 shows in arenas, of course it means he can't full 50 stadium like other pople can (of course if he does 80 sold out concerts in arena then he has a larger fan base).
Said that, I prefer arena's concerts, cause its more about the music than the special effects (anyone can have a concert with special effect and a 100 dancers right now).
But in order to have a decent show, MJ would have to sing live. Nowadays what counts in music industry are live performances, live shows, like prince, steve wonder, etc.. people who can sold out any venues without advertising because people know they are going to have a nice show, a different experience people can have only by going to the concert. Lipsyncing... you will have the same exeperience by seen the concert on a dvd. That's why, since I love MJ, I hope for him if he comes back, to sing live, cause it will be over for real right now, for a singer who doesn't sing live.

 

[mickyj007]

sophia-louise:

this is extremely off-topic but do you have that picture on the right of MJ in your avatar, in full? I have never seen it before... lol


On the topic of doing stadiums vs. arenas.. well.. I'd like to go to both, but either way, if he lipsyncs I'd want my money back, and not only that, he'd get panned by the media and critics. It just wouldn't go down well at all. People pay good money for concert tickets and in doing so, they should actually see the artist perform live. I am all for the dancing, but there needs to be a trade off. As MJ gets older he needs to tone down his routines so he can pop out some awesome moves, and sing most of the time too. I don't mind a bit of it lip-synched, but nothing like the history tour. I'd demand a refund. Others will disagree with me and say they just go for the experience and possibly just to see the dancing, but in my opinion, the live experience should infact be live with live vocals. Like I said, there has to be a tradeoff. Anyway, that's what I'd wanna see, and I can't speak for anyone else. So yeah, my 2 cents.

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

Well,
lets put it this way.
MJ has now a smaller fans base than ever, right? smaller than before the trail, and smaller that just after the trial.
If he does a tour and with 30 shows in arenas, of course it means he can't full 50 stadium like other pople can (of course if he does 80 sold out concerts in arena then he has a larger fan base).
Said that, I prefer arena's concerts, cause its more about the music than the special effects (anyone can have a concert with special effect and a 100 dancers right now).
But in order to have a decent show, MJ would have to sing live. Nowadays what counts in music industry are live performances, live shows, like prince, steve wonder, etc.. people who can sold out any venues without advertising because people know they are going to have a nice show, a different experience people can have only by going to the concert. Lipsyncing... you will have the same exeperience by seen the concert on a dvd. That's why, since I love MJ, I hope for him if he comes back, to sing live, cause it will be over for real right now, for a singer who doesn't sing live.

You're crazy. It won't be over for Michael if he lip syncs. I don't know why you keep saying that. Going to a Michael Jackson show, just saying that, automatically makes it different from anything else anyone has to offer. He isn't just another singer who dances. He's considered the last of the great song and dance men, he's a world class talent in both fields, he's the dancer of his and the last 2 or 3 generations. It isn't just Michael's live vocals which make his shows spectacular, it's his performance, the way he emotes, his expressions, the way he commands a stage. He's a performing genius. And it undermines his talent as a performing aritst to compare it to other people who lip sync, because it's not the same. Seeing Michael in concert is live. He's there, in real time, in front of you. That's live. Maybe he'll sing live, maybe he won't, but just him considering going on tour is a blessing after all he went through. I wish people would just show excitment and gratitude instead of complaining before he's even made a move in public.

And it's pure assumption on your part that his fan base is smaller then before and after the trial because there is absolutely no standard by which to gage such an assesment.