Dr Tohme Tohme, AEG and Colony Captial(who co-own Neverland)

[Popescu]

I see your point but no one here has denied that Michael had some form of ego. The issue at hand is that Frank knew how to approach and manipulate Michael, who would subconciously end up agreeing to something he would otherwise not agree to. Not cool.

I really think this is a non issue, people have manipulated Michael since, um, forever, and in time, he learned how to manipulate people. It's not news to me. It was his world, this is how things worked. I don't think it was a one way street.

 

[rainny]

"He's lying for sure about the weight"



Does he even know about the weight and health of MJ?

He said that, in his opinion, MJ was now healthier than

he was twenty years ago because back then he was

a vegetarian and fasted once a week.

?

Nonsense.

 

[rainny]

To clarify: what I've meant as ' nonsense' is that not being a vegetarian

anymore does not explain anybody's state of health.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

He said that Michael couldn't afford to have his own cameras, so they bought two cameras, I think I've read elsewhere that the cost was 6000 $.

I dont believe Michael couldnt afford camera's. Michael has always had camera to follow his moves.

Also Michael had received an advance for the concerts. He could afford 2 cameras. Heck I can afford 2 cameras and Im not Michael Jackson.

He said that, in his opinion, MJ was now healthier than

he was twenty years ago because back then he was

a vegetarian and fasted once a week.

?

Nonsense.

It is nonsense being Michael now had back issues as well as had a broken leg etc. You're not going to be healthier @ 50 than you were @ 25 (yes there are exceptions!)

 

[Autumn II]

I dont believe Michael couldnt afford camera's. Michael has always had camera to follow his moves.

Also Michael had received an advance for the concerts. He could afford 2 cameras. Heck I can afford 2 cameras and Im not Michael Jackson.

It is nonsense being Michael now had back issues as well as had a broken leg etc. You're not going to be healthier @ 50 than you were @ 25 (yes there are exceptions!)

I believe in that instance, DiLeo was telling the truth. If the cameras had been Michael's, the estate would have owned the footage, and not AEG/Sony. There has been no information produced that Michael was also shooting his own footage.

It might have not been so much that Michael couldn't afford the cameras, as it was that Tohme was controlling his access to his own money? I still don't believe that Michael knew anything about that 5.5 mil that Tohme eventually produced. He was afraid he'd be charged with theft when the money began to be tracked down?

 

[Mechi]

The more DiLeo talked the more he contradicted himself.

The more Phillips talked the more he contradicted himself.

The more Murray talked the more he contradicted himself.


There's some good reason why Thome is quiet! Probably he's the smartest of those.
I am pretty sure Thome was in controll. Nobody could have given Michael something without his knowledge and even more nobody could have killed Michael without his knowledge.

I can only hope the LAPD did their homework and asks Thome the right questions.

 

[clarac]

I wish there would be a shake in show biz to completely erase to all these shady "mafia-like" old-school individuals who have been around for...centuries in Hollywood...and still have so much power,they know everybody and have so many contacts.
I always thought pp like them, to be a thing of the past,just like many of the artist they used to managed,but that's probably the point...artists are being replaced not them!
I've underestimated their position and power.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

I believe in that instance, DiLeo was telling the truth. If the cameras had been Michael's, the estate would have owned the footage, and not AEG/Sony. There has been no information produced that Michael was also shooting his own footage.

Randy has stated that the reason the footage was filmed was because Michael likes to look back at the days rehearsal just like he did with all his tours and as we know the Dangerous Tour as we've seen those tapes.

So Randy has said this was for Michael. Besides the fact that the estate got the majority of the sales for TII says alot too.

 

[MJJ7777]

What if Michael didn't tape initially but as things became a bit more suspicious he taped...I mean, if Michael was precautious with the taping of Bashir's take, I'm pretty sure he would do the same for this. They could have since been removed without a trace.

Also I'm aware of Michael taping Rehearsals only, but to tape everything right down to production and creative process, meetings, etc.,...has anyone seen the extra footage that Sony released in snippets via Youtube as a preview? To me this wasn't simply filmed for Michael's library it looks as if it was filmed for public viewing later on. This was filmed to be a movie and that's what happened.

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

What if Michael didn't tape initially but as things became a bit more suspicious he taped...I mean, if Michael was precautious with the taping of Bashir's take, I'm pretty sure he would do the same for this. They could have since been removed without a trace.

Also I'm aware of Michael taping Rehearsals only, but to tape everything right down to production and creative process, meetings, etc.,...has anyone seen the extra footage that Sony released in snippets via Youtube as a preview? To me this wasn't simply filmed for Michael's library it looks as if it was filmed for public viewing later on. This was filmed to be a movie and that's what happened.

I agree 100% in fact I said something similar a page or so back.

EVERYTHING was taped. Not just the rehearsal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO-SEVqBHNo&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=927DB8E34E5FCC92

It was said AFTER MJ died that everything was taped to be released as a Making Of of the concerts.

Everyone from AEG to Sony are now making more money from MJs passing than from when he was alive. And thats including the 50 TII shows + merchandise etc.

 

[earth child]

What if Michael didn't tape initially but as things became a bit more suspicious he taped...I mean, if Michael was precautious with the taping of Bashir's take, I'm pretty sure he would do the same for this. They could have since been removed without a trace.

Also I'm aware of Michael taping Rehearsals only, but to tape everything right down to production and creative process, meetings, etc.,...has anyone seen the extra footage that Sony released in snippets via Youtube as a preview? To me this wasn't simply filmed for Michael's library it looks as if it was filmed for public viewing later on. This was filmed to be a movie and that's what happened.

I believe that is what the cover story, about Michael couldn't afford cameras, came up for.
They know we all know Michael taped everything! If they had to get rid of Michael’s tapes, they needed a reason they didn't exist. This way, they got the best of both worlds. Their high def. footage to rake in loads of money from the movie and the story that they were Michael’s tapes.
It's all bull! They taped the high def. footage because they knew he wasn't going to be doing those concerts. From some of the footage in the movie, I am sure there was stuff on MJ's tapes that those good ol' boys wouldn't want out. I thought Kenny behave pretty badly toward MJ is some of that movie. As I sat watching the movie I was thinking to myself, "and this is the BEST footage they had."
I believe none of it was up to MJ's standards. As a matter of fact, from that movie footage, they were nowhere close to being ready for a show like that. Parts of it were only computer concepts (the "screen suit" he was going to fly out in, and the bulldozer for earth song) and they were supposed to be on stage in two weeks?!?! No, I don't think AEG was ready. Or, they didn't see any reason to spend the money on those things when they knew they were never going to use them?

 

[Autumn II]

I believe that is what the cover story, about Michael couldn't afford cameras, came up for.
They know we all know Michael taped everything! If they had to get rid of Michael’s tapes, they needed a reason they didn't exist. This way, they got the best of both worlds. Their high def. footage to rake in loads of money from the movie and the story that they were Michael’s tapes.
It's all bull! They taped the high def. footage because they knew he wasn't going to be doing those concerts. From some of the footage in the movie, I am sure there was stuff on MJ's tapes that those good ol' boys wouldn't want out. I thought Kenny behave pretty badly toward MJ is some of that movie. As I sat watching the movie I was thinking to myself, "and this is the BEST footage they had."
I believe none of it was up to MJ's standards. As a matter of fact, from that movie footage, they were nowhere close to being ready for a show like that. Parts of it were only computer concepts (the "screen suit" he was going to fly out in, and the bulldozer for earth song) and they were supposed to be on stage in two weeks?!?! No, I don't think AEG was ready. Or, they didn't see any reason to spend the money on those things when they knew they were never going to use them?

This is very, very plausible. See the bolded parts, especially.

It's chilling! That could explain why they weren't "ready." Tapes sure have a way of vanishing?

 

[TheLastTear]

I believe that is what the cover story, about Michael couldn't afford cameras, came up for.
They know we all know Michael taped everything! If they had to get rid of Michael’s tapes, they needed a reason they didn't exist. This way, they got the best of both worlds. Their high def. footage to rake in loads of money from the movie and the story that they were Michael’s tapes.
It's all bull! They taped the high def. footage because they knew he wasn't going to be doing those concerts. From some of the footage in the movie, I am sure there was stuff on MJ's tapes that those good ol' boys wouldn't want out. I thought Kenny behave pretty badly toward MJ is some of that movie. As I sat watching the movie I was thinking to myself, "and this is the BEST footage they had."
I believe none of it was up to MJ's standards. As a matter of fact, from that movie footage, they were nowhere close to being ready for a show like that. Parts of it were only computer concepts (the "screen suit" he was going to fly out in, and the bulldozer for earth song) and they were supposed to be on stage in two weeks?!?! No, I don't think AEG was ready. Or, they didn't see any reason to spend the money on those things when they knew they were never going to use them?

My thoughts exactly!


Why they did they choose the first performances of songs like “Billie Jean” and “IJCSLY”? The first is not the best for sure.

From Judith Hill interview:
“Do you remember that day vividly and what the rehearsal was like?” Billy asked.
“Yes. That was actually the first time we actually performed that duet and Michael came in,” Judith said.
“It was the first time and I was like, ‘OK.’ had no idea what to expect, because no one had staged us, nothing was discussed so it was like, ‘OK, let’s just go for it.’ And Michael came in and we sang that and [as] you see in the film, he just went with it; he went hard. It was a very magical moment for me.”
http://www.accesshollywood.com/mich...hill-on-her-this-is-it-memories_article_25114


As for “Billie Jean” he said something like "At least we get a feel for it".


Without moonwalk?

It was great, but as you said “I believe none of it was up to MJ's standards”.

 

[kasume]

Guys, to be honest, this is the FIRST time we have ever really seen Michael in the process of his concerts. And to be honest, we really don't know how this perfectionist and creative guinuess worked.

What we have seen all our lives, is him actually doing his concerts in front of hundreds of thousands, giving 2000% of his being.

We never knew what Michael was like during rehearsals. And one of his brothers even said that what we saw in TII was just 30% of Michael, not the 2000% he gives at an actual show.

What I'm saying is, this is probably what rehearsals may have been like for Michael. TII was the only real process of Michael concerts we have seen. So there really isn't any other rehearsals we can compare it too and say that something wasn't right at TII rehearsals. And also, since I'm involved with theatre, they say if you have a lousy rehearsal, then your actual performance will be great! So Michael only giving 30% at rehearsals doesn't really mean he wasn't ready for anything and wasn't into it.

 

[bouee]

I agree with you Kasume, if you watch the Dangerous tour rehearsals, there is a huge difference between the rehearsals and an actual concert.

 

[Autumn II]

Guys, to be honest, this is the FIRST time we have ever really seen Michael in the process of his concerts. And to be honest, we really don't know how this perfectionist and creative guinuess worked.

What we have seen all our lives, is him actually doing his concerts in front of hundreds of thousands, giving 2000% of his being.

We never knew what Michael was like during rehearsals. And one of his brothers even said that what we saw in TII was just 30% of Michael, not the 2000% he gives at an actual show.

What I'm saying is, this is probably what rehearsals may have been like for Michael. TII was the only real process of Michael concerts we have seen. So there really isn't any other rehearsals we can compare it too and say that something wasn't right at TII rehearsals. And also, since I'm involved with theatre, they say if you have a lousy rehearsal, then your actual performance will be great! So Michael only giving 30% at rehearsals doesn't really mean he wasn't ready for anything and wasn't into it.

Actually, there was quite a bit of behind the scenes footage of the Bad tour, but it was more about rehearsals as the show was ongoing, or that's what it seemed like. There were a lot of docus that were shown on MTV in the late eighties/early nineties, with a good bit of behind-the-scenes stuff.

The MTV anniversary special (where Michael performed Black or White and WYBT) had a LOT of "process" and rehearsal footage as they were putting the show together. This used to be shown on tv a good bit, but that was a long time ago, now. (I've got all this stuff on VHS tapes, but I'm sure they're dusty now.)

A comparison to those docus is one thing that concerned me about TII. In those Bad and MTV docus, it was clear that Michael was in control, of pretty much everything. In TII, Ortega was speaking to him rudely and basically ordering him around. The balance of power had shifted.

 

[MJJ7777]

Actually, there was quite a bit of behind the scenes footage of the Bad tour, but it was more about rehearsals as the show was ongoing, or that's what it seemed like. There were a lot of docus that were shown on MTV in the late eighties/early nineties, with a good bit of behind-the-scenes stuff.

The MTV anniversary special (where Michael performed Black or White and WYBT) had a LOT of "process" and rehearsal footage as they were putting the show together. This used to be shown on tv a good bit, but that was a long time ago, now. (I've got all this stuff on VHS tapes, but I'm sure they're dusty now.)

A comparison to those docus is one thing that concerned me about TII. In those Bad and MTV docus, it was clear that Michael was in control, of pretty much everything. In TII, Ortega was speaking to him rudely and basically ordering him around. The balance of power had shifted.[/QUOTE]

This is what stuck out to me the most while watching TII for the first time in theatres.

Michael being ordered around and having to say "Its all for love" at the end of his comments so as not to tick anyone off by what he said was like a whole new Michael to me.

The condescending tone Ortega expressed towards Michael made it seem as if..."look, you're not in control so just accept the problems and move on, stop complaining"

This is what made me cry the most. Michael was clearly not the same Michael we were used to.

 

[Autumn II]

Actually, there was quite a bit of behind the scenes footage of the Bad tour, but it was more about rehearsals as the show was ongoing, or that's what it seemed like. There were a lot of docus that were shown on MTV in the late eighties/early nineties, with a good bit of behind-the-scenes stuff.

The MTV anniversary special (where Michael performed Black or White and WYBT) had a LOT of "process" and rehearsal footage as they were putting the show together. This used to be shown on tv a good bit, but that was a long time ago, now. (I've got all this stuff on VHS tapes, but I'm sure they're dusty now.)

A comparison to those docus is one thing that concerned me about TII. In those Bad and MTV docus, it was clear that Michael was in control, of pretty much everything. In TII, Ortega was speaking to him rudely and basically ordering him around. The balance of power had shifted.[/QUOTE]

This is what stuck out to me the most while watching TII for the first time in theatres.

Michael being ordered around and having to say "Its all for love" at the end of his comments so as not to tick anyone off by what he said was like a whole new Michael to me.

The condescending tone Ortega expressed towards Michael made it seem as if..."look, you're not in control so just accept the problems and move on, stop complaining"

This is what made me cry the most. Michael was clearly not the same Michael we were used to.

I agree, and I have no idea why others can't see it. The incident where Ortega said, rudely, "Are we misunderstanding something here?" and Michael said, "I'm 'sizzling,'" was heartbreaking. And there was the ear-piece incident. And the "hang onto the cherry picker" incident. And so on. Also, the way Ortega was hovering around Michael and issuing instructions while he was dancing? I've NEVER seen that kind of behavior from a choreographer before. I felt like Michael was trapped, and being plugged into a slot, instead of controlling the creative process.

I guess people see what they want to see?

 

[daisy]

And there was the ear-piece incident. And the "hang onto the cherry picker" incident.

And Michael even said himself at some point:" Why would you say that?" when he was at the cherry picker. His little sign of protest bird in a cage

I guess people see what they want to see?

I guess so.

 

[kasume]

I'm sorry guys, but I really can't see Kenny having power over Michael. Seriously, I really can't. Even if I try, I can't.

A lot of the times I saw them, they were just collaborating or discussing something. And that part in TII when Michael hugs a few people, when he gets to Kenny, Michael's embrace is extra longer and more stronger than those brief ones he gave the others. He loved Kenny.

And I also remember Kenny talking about that balance of power between him and Michael. He will have an idea. Then Michael will have a different idea. He said him and Michael would talk about it, and that Michael would consider his ideas and think about it. He didn't talk about him considering Michael's ideas. Or somehow, Michael would combine both their ideas.

And I thought Michael was supposed to be a down to earth guy, who wasn't all bossy like people think any big star like him would be.

Michael being ordered around and having to say "Its all for love" at the end of his comments so as not to tick anyone off by what he said was like a whole new Michael to me.

I saw that as just a new cool line. Kenny would tweet to and from rehearsals every single day. And then he started writing, "It's all for love, L.O.V.E." on almost every single tweet. It wasn't until I watched TII, that I said, 'that's why kenny was saying that all the time'. I mean, now I say that all the time. And I have other friends who are big mj fans who say that a lot. they put it on their statuses and everything.

NOW, if someone made a mistake during an ACTUAL live performance of the show, and later on Michael says something like, "costumes could be better...i know you guys can do better, it's all for love, l.o.v.e" Then YES, I would suspect something is wrong.

Clearly from the bad tour, Michael was strict about not having any mishaps on the live show. "everyone did great, I wish I could say that about costume too but I can't."

 

[Autumn II]

I'm sorry guys, but I really can't see Kenny having power over Michael. Seriously, I really can't. Even if I try, I can't.

A lot of the times I saw them, they were just collaborating or discussing something. And that part in TII when Michael hugs a few people, when he gets to Kenny, Michael's embrace is extra longer and more stronger than those brief ones he gave the others. He loved Kenny.

And I also remember Kenny talking about that balance of power between him and Michael. He will have an idea. Then Michael will have a different idea. He said him and Michael would talk about it, and that Michael would consider his ideas and think about it. He didn't talk about him considering Michael's ideas. Or somehow, Michael would combine both their ideas.

Ah, well. Agree to disagree on that one, and that's ok. It was just so different from other rehearsal footage I've seen in the past.

The issue I have with Ortega is that he was among those who were in a position to see Michael's readiness, or unreadiness, for the concerts. I find it troubling that he was cutting up his food for him and was concerned about his eating enough, but then there were his statements that "Michael was fine." I don't see Michael as having been fine. . . . Ortega's, or anyone's, FIRST concern should have been Michael's health and well-being.

 

[kasume]

Ah, well. Agree to disagree on that one, and that's ok. It was just so different from other rehearsal footage I've seen in the past.

The issue I have with Ortega is that he was among those who were in a position to see Michael's readiness, or unreadiness, for the concerts. I find it troubling that he was cutting up his food for him and was concerned about his eating enough, but then there were his statements that "Michael was fine." I don't see Michael as having been fine. . . . Ortega's, or anyone's, FIRST concern should have been Michael's health and well-being.

I see what you mean.

But even the dancers who were dancing with him didn't see anything wrong.

And Timor, when he did an interview, they asked him if Michael seemed unhealthy, or not fit or something, and Timor replied with an absolute NOPE, even saying that Michael looked like he was ready to "kick some ass."

 

[daisy]

I see what you mean.

But even the dancers who were dancing with him didn't see anything wrong.

And Timor, when he did an interview, they asked him if Michael seemed unhealthy, or not fit or something, and Timor replied with an absolute NOPE, even saying that Michael looked like he was ready to "kick some ass."

If they said Michael was NOT ok, then the next question is :"then why did you think he would be able to perform?"
Anyway Kenny Ortega contradicted himself anyway first saying Michael was absolutely great and then cutting his food (see Victoria83's post above).
I just do not fully trust him for these reasons.

 

[Asedora]

I agree, and I have no idea why others can't see it. The incident where Ortega said, rudely, "Are we misunderstanding something here?" and Michael said, "I'm 'sizzling,'" was heartbreaking. And there was the ear-piece incident. And the "hang onto the cherry picker" incident. And so on. Also, the way Ortega was hovering around Michael and issuing instructions while he was dancing? I've NEVER seen that kind of behavior from a choreographer before. I felt like Michael was trapped, and being plugged into a slot, instead of controlling the creative process.

I guess people see what they want to see?

Some ppl even think that Michael looked very happy during TII movie. I saw many parts of TII and the “happiest one” and I didn’t have a feeling that Michael looked very happy there controlling the process. Obviously ppl see what they want to see. I still cannot force myself to watch this movie because it will be hard for me to watch him a live knowing that in a few hours he will be killed. Also I do not want to pay AEG/Sony.

 

[triniti]

Yes, I also forced myself to watch it. After few minutes I wanted to run away from the cinema. I tried to calm down, looked around and noticed that nobody except me react in the same way. I was nervous about the way Ortega was treating Michael and Michael was so fragile.
It seemed to me that Ortega was the most important actor of this movie, and especially his relations with Michael. There were so many scenes showed how good these relations were and it made me suspicious.

 

[riviera1992]

I'm sorry guys, but I really can't see Kenny having power over Michael. Seriously, I really can't. Even if I try, I can't.

A lot of the times I saw them, they were just collaborating or discussing something. And that part in TII when Michael hugs a few people, when he gets to Kenny, Michael's embrace is extra longer and more stronger than those brief ones he gave the others. He loved Kenny.

And I also remember Kenny talking about that balance of power between him and Michael. He will have an idea. Then Michael will have a different idea. He said him and Michael would talk about it, and that Michael would consider his ideas and think about it. He didn't talk about him considering Michael's ideas. Or somehow, Michael would combine both their ideas.

And I thought Michael was supposed to be a down to earth guy, who wasn't all bossy like people think any big star like him would be.



I saw that as just a new cool line. Kenny would tweet to and from rehearsals every single day. And then he started writing, "It's all for love, L.O.V.E." on almost every single tweet. It wasn't until I watched TII, that I said, 'that's why kenny was saying that all the time'. I mean, now I say that all the time. And I have other friends who are big mj fans who say that a lot. they put it on their statuses and everything.

NOW, if someone made a mistake during an ACTUAL live performance of the show, and later on Michael says something like, "costumes could be better...i know you guys can do better, it's all for love, l.o.v.e" Then YES, I would suspect something is wrong.

Clearly from the bad tour, Michael was strict about not having any mishaps on the live show. "everyone did great, I wish I could say that about costume too but I can't."

I agree with you. As much as I try to find fault in Kenny's behavior toward Michael, I just can't. And I won't debate this with fans that haven't even seen the movie and taking that one thing (are we misunderstanding something here?) out of context. If it had meant to be mean, Kenny the director would've edit it out of the movie.

Guys, my first hubby was in a band and they had rehearsals weekly and trust me, tempers fly all the time. Specially when someone doesn't hit the right note or miss a lyric. But they all consider each other a big family and love each other. Artists have bigger egos than most of us put together. It's a fascinating world to live in.

And you're right about the cool line du jour, I'm saying it every chance I get.

 

[Autumn II]

Yes, I also forced myself to watch it. After few minutes I wanted to run away from the cinema. I tried to calm down, looked around and noticed that nobody except me react in the same way. I was nervous about the way Ortega was treating Michael and Michael was so fragile.
It seemed to me that Ortega was the most important actor of this movie, and especially his relations with Michael. There were so many scenes showed how good these relations were and it made me suspicious.

Yes, I agree. Plus after an alleged 100 hours of taping, THIS is all they could find?

I saw the movie with an open mind. I went to see it alone. Michael seemed SO fragile. There were times I wanted to reach through the screen and PUNCH Ortega for being so disrespectful of our precious Michael. There were so many things. The way he said, "Are we misunderstanding something here?" That was awful. Michael KNEW what he was doing ("sizzling") and he knew the timing, better than anyone. I broke down and cried at the "earpiece" sequence. That was obviously HURTING Michael, and no one really cared. This was SO different from other "backstage" footage, that it was painful to see. That is what I really believe. This was Michael's show, and his moment, and I fail to see how he was in control of it.

When I left the theater, I had my sunglasses on, because I was CRYING, for Michael. .

 

[earth child]

The movie was horrible to watch! I also do not understand how anyone couldn't see it.
I kept thinking "and this is the best footage they could come up with!"
As tears leaked from my eyes I found myself wishing I could walk up on that stage and give him a hug, tell him everything was going to be OK now and get him the hell out of there!
That was not happy fun loving Michael from his "behind the scenes" videos.
He was always laughing and messing around.
He looked miserable most of the movie.

 

[daisy]

The movie was horrible to watch! I also do not understand how anyone couldn't see it.
I kept thinking "and this is the best footage they could come up with!"
As tears leaked from my eyes I found myself wishing I could walk up on that stage and give him a hug, tell him everything was going to be OK now and get him the hell out of there!
That was not happy fun loving Michael from his "behind the scenes" videos.
He was always laughing and messing around.
He looked miserable most of the movie.

I felt like doing the same plus grabbing him and taking him from this hostile environment.
I also remember his face when stepping down from the cherry picker - extremely sad.

 

[MJJ7777]

I agree with you. As much as I try to find fault in Kenny's behavior toward Michael, I just can't. And I won't debate this with fans that haven't even seen the movie and taking that one thing (are we misunderstanding something here?) out of context. If it had meant to be mean, Kenny the director would've edit it out of the movie.

Guys, my first hubby was in a band and they had rehearsals weekly and trust me, tempers fly all the time. Specially when someone doesn't hit the right note or miss a lyric. But they all consider each other a big family and love each other. Artists have bigger egos than most of us put together. It's a fascinating world to live in.

And you're right about the cool line du jour, I'm saying it every chance I get.

Well if this is the best footage they could come up with, they would have no other choice but to put these acceptable scenes in or they wouldn't have any footage at all for the movie.

Tempers fly all the time...Ok. but Michael wasn't doing anything worth getting disrespected for. Michael's temper wasn't flying. Although I wished he would retaliate at some point... The only one that seemed to have a temper issue was Ortega...and in every instance no one was provoking him. He looked for the littlest thing to erupt about.

I mean, why did they insist that michael have to have the earpiece in? A man who's been performing since he was 5, I'm pretty sure he knows how to get around a performance w/o a flippin earpiece! Who would it hurt just to turn the volume down?! Why did he have to beg at all?!

How can you not see that there was something wrong with this scene?!?!