[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

[FONT=&amp]A lawyer for Robson, meanwhile, called the accusations baseless.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]"Mr. Robson produced every single bit of discoverable information he possesses respective to this case many months ago,” Vince Finaldi said in a Wednesday statement to The News.

“This latest filing by the Jackson camp is nothing but a transparent attempt to smear and intimidate a sexual abuse victim and his family for having the courage to come forward and expose the evil child sexual abuse machines that Michael Jackson's companies truly were,” he said.

“We look forward to defeating this motion and disclosing to the world the Jackson camp's true motives,” Finaldi said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...itness-withholding-evidence-article-1.2934835[/FONT]

I am glad to see Finaldi and Robson's usual tabloid media mouthpieces (Radar, NY Daily News) in damage control mode. And funny how they never reported this until Ivy's blog did. I guess this really hits a nerve. LOL.

Of course they are twisting it like hell, but what do you expect? The NY Daily News hardly even mentioned anything from the motion, they do not even mention the book, they just published Finaldi's statements and quoted salacious parts from his lawsuit. Radar did mention the book but almost as a way to promote it. But not surprising from these filthy rags. Exactly the kind of mouthpieces a filthy man like Robson deserves.

The point is not really the book, though, it is the fact that he is trying to hide evidence, including metadata from the book and redacting more than 70 e-mails. Plus of course even that little we have already learnt from those redacted e-mails do not make him and his family look good. ("Wow. None of that is true..." and he still uses that strory in his complaint.)

You mean the "evil child sexual abuse machines" about whom you need to operate with lies to implicate them ("Wow. None of that is true"). When will you call Joy Robson evil for "pimping" her son then? If Norma Staikos is a "madame". Where is the outrage about Joy?

Holy ****ing shit!!! Maybe this is why Robson's previous lawyers withdrew from his case? Perhaps they found out about his withholding of evidence? Hmm!!!

I think the change of lawyers is interesting indeed in the light of all this. Here is a timeline I made of this discovery issue:

March 28, 2016 - Estate's first set of Request for Proposals (RFPs), among others asking for all communications and recordings relation to the allegations between Robson and any person on or after May 8, 2012.

June 3, 2016 - Robson agrees to produce documents to the majority of requests but with representing that - and this part is redacted in the motion. Consistent with his representation Robson only produces his September 7, 2012 e-mail that was already discussed during the probate case.

June 22, 2016 - Radar Online's smear campaign against MJ.

June 23, 2016 - Defendants meet and confer with Gradstein and Marzano regarding Robson's responses.

July 13, 2016 - The Manly, Stewart and Finaldi firm takes the case. They start with publishing an open letter to the media demanding "transparency" (LOL in the light of Robson just being in the process of hiding evidence during that time).

End of July, 2016 - Robson provides amended, verified response to the RFPs in which he changed his response. He attached about one hundred pages and represented that his production was now complete.

(Then end of summer - the whole back and forth with Robson's deposition. Robson's deposition finally took place in December.)

September 2016 - Joy Robson and Wade's siblings are deposed. During these depositions many e-mails came out that Wade Robson had sent to them regarding these allegations since May 8, 2012 but that Robson failed to send to the Defendants when he claimed his production of relevant communication was complete.

October 6, 2016 - Defendants point out this discrepancy in a letter to Robson and ask him to either supplement his production or explain his destuction of relevant evidence.

October 11, 2016 - Robson's lawyer acknowledges that - contrary to his prior representations - Robson had not produced all responsive documents in his possession. Once again they agreed to supplement his production.

October 17, 2016 - The Defendants receive documents from Robson but these STILL fail to cure previously identified deficiencies. Rather it brings to light additional issues with his production. Among others it turns out that Robson was trying to sell a book late 2012 and early 2013, prior to his filing his lawsuit that he also failed to ever mention either in the probate case or this one.

November 2, 2016 - Defendants send him third meet and confer letter outlining these issues.

November 4, 2016 - Robson again claims to have located additional responsive documents and once again claims that now his production was complete.

November 10, 2016 - Defendants receive Robson's latest production of about 4000 pages but these STILL failed to cure the deficiencies in his production. E-mails are still redacted and still missing, as well as attachments are missing. He is trying to pass on a "recently created PDF" of his book rather than hand the Estate the original file with the metadata. Estate of course cannot accept this.

Robson's excuses as to why he doesnt procude the original book with metadata are numerous. First he claims he cannot locate it, then 4 days later he claims he can, but it is privileged. Then he claims to have "waived privilege" but only gives the Estate a "recently created PDF" of it. Estate once again asks for the original file with metadata. Next excuse: it needs a special program to open it. Estate: alright we can find a program that opens it. Robson still refuses to hand it over.

So in the middle of all this circus there is the Radar Online smear campaign and Robson changing lawyers. I do wonder too if the change of lawyers has to do with this discovery. Either that Gradstain and Marzano realized Robson was shady or Robson got into a panic mode from the discovery and found a more aggressive lawyer in an attempt to derail the case in the direction of media smear campaigns and new "victims" (eg. Jane Doe) - in other words stepping up his pressure for a settlement.

 

[Goddess4Real]

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Thanks for the latest.....yuuuup Robson's lawyers are going into damage control, and the tabloids lap it up as usual

 

[HIStory]

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Roger Friedman:

Showbiz 411 @showbiz411 59s @michaeljackson fans the Wade Robson "book" is laughable at best. I'll get into it in more detail later. Please.

I wonder if he has inside media info about Wade's shopping of his book.

 

[Goddess4Real]

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Roger Friedman:


I wonder if he has inside media info about Wade's shopping of his book.

It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[SarahJ]

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That statement of Finaldi's reeks of desperation and spin. And its getting really old.

By the way I thought Robson said he remembered everything that had happened to him, just that it wasn't abusive, etc... So how come he had to ask Joy about Charlie Michaels statement? If he remembered and all...

Love to see him be slammed with that $17 grand. Not what I'd like him to be really slammed with mind you, but it would be a start. Time for Joy to start paying the piper for her role in all this. Tired of her getting a free pass. She deserves to be raked over the coals as well.

 

[HIStory]

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Moreover, how exactly could a sexual abuse victim be intimidated with a motion to compel? How?

Yeah, how exactly is a motion to hand over evidence in their full, unmodified version is intimidating to Robson? Only if he has something to hide. It is not the Estate lawyers who constantly do their media rounds and media interviews and who try to win the case by media pressure, so Finaldi has some nerve to talk about intimidation of his poor "victim" and his poor family. Why exactly is it intimidating for Robson and his family to be ordered to produce unaltered evidence?

A fan posted this on Twitter and this may indeed be relevant here, who knows?

PHOENIX @PhoenixLaNegra Let us not forget that Wade was hawking his MJ memorabilia in 2011. He made over $80K in the span of 4 months. pic.twitter.com/lkYD5pXMin

Now I do wonder what that metadata would reveal. If it reveals he started to write his book before May 8, 2012 (that's when he claims he first realized his "abuse" in therapy) that would expose him in another big lie. That would mean he plotted this way before his supposed realization in therapy. And that would also explain his selling of memorabilia already in 2011. Of course, I am just speculating here. It is not impossible to write a book between May 2012 and end of 2012, but now something tells me that metadata might show some interesting things.

 

[redfrog]

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Either that Gradstain and Marzano realized Robson was shady or Robson got into a panic mode from the discovery and found a more aggressive lawyer in an attempt to derail the case in the direction of media smear campaigns and new "victims" (eg. Jane Doe) - in other words stepping up his pressure for a settlement.

According to the Estate the lawyers withdrew from the case. That sounds like it was them who dropped Robson not the other way around.

Now I do wonder what that metadata would reveal. If it reveals he started to write his book before May 8, 2012 (that's when he claims he first realized his "abuse" in therapy) that would expose him in another big lie. That would mean he plotted this way before his supposed realization in therapy. And that would also explain his selling of memorabilia already in 2011. Of course, I am just speculating here. It is not impossible to write a book between May 2012 and end of 2012, but now something tells me that metadata might show some interesting things.

Yep I was wondering about that too since it's a fact that Robson plotted this whole thing way before
May 8 2012. That's why he went to that therapist in the first place to get "expert" support for his claim that
he suddenly realized he was abused and it's clear he needed money long before May 2012.

Assuming that the metadata proves he lied about the "realization" could this fact be relevant for summary
judgement somehow -- other than the fact that it would be yet another lie under oath since he submitted this
"fact" in a sworn declaration.

 

[ivy]

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And funny how they never reported this until Ivy's blog did. I guess this really hits a nerve. LOL.

I think it is quite obvious that the blog post started all this tabloid reporting. This motion was filed 8 days ago. It takes me time to get it and do a detailed write up on it. If the media wanted it or if they were following it, they could have reported it a week ago. But I post a piece, and 7 hours later they magically get the document and a quote from Finaldi. Please!

Plus the purpose is very obvious. If you look to NY Daily News they had a few sentences about the motion, very superficial info. Then a detailed statement from Finaldi and a summary of Robson's claims. They didn't really report the motion to compel. They reported Wade's side.

every single bit of discoverable information

Respect77 and I was just discussing this. Based on what we also know from the motion to compel they would argue that all of that information is privileged and that's why they didn't produce it.

 

[SarahJ]

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Regarding Robson selling items in 2011, didn't he meet with Branca in 2011 with Branca saying he might have problem up selling him to Cirque? I'd be interested to know if he was selling the items before or after that meeting. Then he has his "breakdowns" and the next year starts writing a book around the time he's giving interviews saying he has the cirque show (not sure if that was 2011 or 2012). If he didn't get Cirque then he would go with the allegations.

Not surprised at the press watching Ivy's blog. I'm sure they monitor fans on a regular basis.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Well that certainly touched a raw nerve with the filthy lawyer and his filthy tabloid mouthpieces. ? damage control anyone.

 

[myosotis]

I'm very curious that Wade produced his first two 'supplemental' sets of PDF documents in paper format. These are numbered 105-3982= 3877 printed pages (received by Estate Attys on 17/10 and 25/10).
Robson's Attys were already responding to Estate on 11/10 about Wade's not having produced all his documents. I wonder why Robson's Attys didn't advise Wade to produce his docs after this date in electronic format (on a memory stick), so that they would be searchable and convenient to handle? Assuming about 10 pages per minute printing time, these paper docs would have taken over 6 hours to print, and must have needed some arrangement and cost to deliver. It sounds as if Robson or his attys have been deliberately 'obstructive' in producing these PDF docs on paper...since PDFs are by nature electronic in the first place. The papers all have WR MSF numbers...presumably allocated by the MSF Attys?...so his attys must presumably have known the document format Wade was providing. The indicators all add up to Wade having something to hide (in relation to the electronic docs), and his atty's helping him.


Robsons book 'draft' seems to be only 111 pages long. It would be very unusual if the only available draft is in 'publishing format' as most authors either handwrite or type using well known word processing software. It would be unusual for an author not to keep drafts, and to entrust the only version to a literary agent, particular if that agent hasn't been successful in finding a publisher. Most agents will 'shop' a partial draft, so as not to give potential clients the entire book upfront, without any contract. I guess that the 111 page draft is only a partial version of the book.

This is an 'odd' exchange, reported by a certain online tabloid...If Wade had a literary agent, he wouldn't send his book to publishers, because that is the agent's job:

Did you try to get your book published?” Jackson’s attorneys asked.

He responded, “Yes.” But when pressed to name the publishers he had sent it to, Robson backed off.

“Well I don’t believe any publishing house saw anything that I wrote,” he admitted. “So, I didn’t send it to any publishing houses.”

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Because there's no way he could've auctioned off those items AFTER, I mean, how would that look? MJ abused me, I'm sueing his estate for money plus selling all my personal MJ memorabilia if anyones interested?

I don't know if you remember but Wade actually did try to sell MJ memorabilia after he filed the lawsuit. Chantal auctioned MJ items on eBay in 2015. :smilerolleyes:

I just think it's an amazing coincidence that Wade had the foresight to make all that money off of MJ just months before he saw a therapist and realised he was a sexual abuse victim. I assume Wade will now take that $80,000 and donate it to child sexual abuse charities, as he will surely not want to profit directly anymore off of his evil abuser.

I agree with you and with respect77 that it seems a bit convenient that he sold those items before his so called realization.

 

[Justthefacts]

Wadereminds me of a guy I work with. He thinks he is the world’s smartest guy that no one will ever see what he tries to get away with. He can do whatever the heck he wants and therewould be no consequences for his actions. I can’t believe that he really thought very smart people like lawyers for the estate would not find out about the crap he tried to hide. He really thought they were going to hand him money and that would be all well guess what fool it’s not going down like that.But, we also see he got this arrogance from his mamma. You thought they would just buy your excuse of I don’t have that email anymore and that was going to be all nah chick.This family was using Michael from the timehe helped them move to the United States. After Michael died their plan wasto use Michael to make money from knowing Michael one way or another. I can see a situation where he is forced tohand over his computers and such and the estate finds out he had them bleached.

 

[Soundmind]

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I would guess yes the communication he was exchanging on line might be detrimental to his case. Since the status of limitation will come into place. He said he did not realize he was abused until he suffered from a second breakdown. If there is anything to indicate that was a lie. Then his excuse to file his case late will be weakened. So let me get this straight, the estate would not have known about the book if they did not receive those documents from them? Weird! How much is those accusers protected. He sent an email to 30 people but no one said a word for almost a year. And now he was shopping a book but no one said a word. How much do those people hate mj to sit on such stories. Would he be in his mind to hand over his pc and devices without having them tampered with? I mean the estate could look into the sites he was visiting, into his communication with his cousin and hate groups. We know he was involved with all that stuff. I cannot see him handing anything intact. These are all communication relating to 'abuse'. and would not be protected by attorney client privilege

 

[myosotis]

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I would guess yes the communication he was exchanging on line might be detrimental to his case. Since the status of limitation will come into place. He said he did not realize he was abused until he suffered from a second breakdown. If there is anything to indicate that was a lie. Then his excuse to file his case late will be weakened. So let me get this straight, the estate would not have known about the book if they did not receive those documents from them? Weird! How much is those accusers protected. He sent an email to 30 people but no one said a word for almost a year. And now he was shopping a book but no one said a word. How much do those people hate mj to sit on such stories. Would he be in his mind to hand over his pc and devices without having them tampered with? I mean the estate could look into the sites he was visiting, into his communication with his cousin and hate groups. We know he was involved with all that stuff. I cannot see him handing anything intact. These are all communication relating to 'abuse'. and would not be protected by attorney client privilege

But if the Estate Attys are permitted to call in a computer forensics expert, he would be able to tell if and probably how many documents etc had been deleted or amended. If deletion / amendment can be proved, Wade is possibly liable for either the case being thrown out, or for other penalties. It isn't worth tampering with the evidence...

And if he doesn't hand in all the electronic devices that he has declared, he is similarly liable, if the 'forensic examination' request is granted.

(And if deletion/ amendment were found by a forensics expert, then the Estate Attys may request that Wade is made responsible for the cost of the work of the forensics expert).

 

[KOPV]

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If Forensics of any sort is brought in Wade is done.. and watch him try to change the story at that point.. "Oh when I said computer I meant an old one I had"

 

[Soundmind]

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By the way since he is suing the companies not MJ, would not the companies be able to go after him in a lawsuit? I guess yes. But maybe the estate would not go that route knowning he is broke as hell.

 

[Soundmind]

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Criminals believe they are smart. How dump of him to communicate with his mother via email. And his stupid mom could not help but call the despicable never land employee a liar. Dumper than her son. He has no case whatsoever. Let's see what the judge will rule on this motion. But the estate needs to find a way to make him pay for the ****ery he created.

By the way he already gave a list of his devices, so if he does not produce any of them he would be implicated. Even if he claimed they were damaged he would have to produce them for forensic test if the judge agrees with the estates request.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Surely if Wade knows there is a chance of forensic analysis on his computers and phones he will get rid of these devices and replace them with new ones before the court sanctions him to turn them over? I mean, I know it looks shady as ****, but if he has something to hide (which it's pretty obvious that he does), then surely he would rather save his ass and look shady than be caught out?

It would be very stupid if he does that. At this point it's already known he's hiding something so destroying evidence will further support the perjury arguments which are already legit IMO. It's also a crime to destroy evidence, even in civil matters.

The law cited in the motion is 2031.320b

https://california-discovery.com/e-discovery/

VII. SANCTIONS

A. Parties may be sanctioned for failing to meet their obligations to preserve and produce relevant ESI. CCP §§ 2031.060(h); 2031.300(c); 2031.310(h), (i); 2031.320(b),(c); see Cedars-Sinai Med. Ctr. v. Superior Court (1998) 18 Cal. 4th 1; see Dodge, Warren & Peters Ins. Services, Inc. v. Riley (2003) 105 Cal. App. 4th 1414, 1418-1420 (injunction was appropriate remedy to prevent defendants from destroying potentially discoverable evidence); see also L.H. v. Schwarzenegger (C.D. Cal. 2008) 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 86829, at *10-*14 (sanctions for converting electronic documents from their original searchable and sortable format and producing non-searchable PDF versions of those documents).

B. The CCP provides an exception from sanctions where the loss, damage, or alteration of ESI results from a “routine, good faith operation for an electronic information system.” CCP §§ 3031.060(i)(1); 2031.300(d)(1); 2031.310(j)(1); 2031.320(d)(1); see, e.g. R.S. Creative v. Creative Cotton (1999) 75 Cal. App, 4th 486 (terminating sanctions for actions including spoliation of evidence on computers based on an informal agreement regarding preservation of electronic evidence).

Dodge, Warren & Peters Ins. Services, Inc. v. Riley

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1330786.html

Cedars-Sinai Med. Ctr. v. Superior Court (1998)

Finally, Penal Code section 135 creates criminal penalties for spoliation. "Every person who, knowing that any book, paper, record, instrument in writing, or other matter or thing, is about to be produced in evidence upon any trial, inquiry, or investigation whatever, authorized by law, willfully destroys or conceals the same, with intent thereby to prevent it from being produced, is guilty of a misdemeanor." (Ibid.)

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/supreme-court/4th/18/1.html

I looked up Panel Code 135:

If you find yourself caught up in a police investigation, or are facing criminal charges, or are involved in even the relatively minor hassle of a civil lawsuit...you'll probably try to do everything you can to protect your legal rights and help your case.
But when it comes to written material or physical evidence that might be relevant to the case, you'll want to be extremely careful. California law, Penal Code 135 PC, makes it a crime to destroy or conceal evidence that you know is relevant to a court case or legal investigation.[SUP]1[/SUP]

Read more here: http://www.shouselaw.com/destroying-concealing-evidence.html

 

[KOPV]

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the onlything forensics will show is fiber.. cuz they'll find bull shit

 

[redfrog]

Respect77 and I was just discussing this. Based on what we also know from the motion to compel they would argue that all of that information is privileged and that's why they didn't produce it.

That would still not explain why he lied under oath claiming that he gave them everything he had.
Particularly since the first time he gave them only one email.
Also wouldn't explain why he didn't give the Estate the original electronic version of his emails or why he failed to give them the book for three year.

The “drafts” were “found in a folder” with the chilling title, “A Mother’s Instinct.”

WTF does this mean? He instict told her that MJ was molesting her son that's why she took Wade to
MJ over and over again even after the Chandler thing and defended MJ all over the place including under oath?

Morons.

 

[myosotis]

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^ Very oddly, there is a Canadian film of that title (A Mother's Instinct), with the following synopsis: (It wasn't released until Nov 2015 though).

'When a boy goes missing, clues lead his sister and mother to believe their asocial neighbor was involved in the abduction; forcing them to take the law into their own hands.'
http://azfilmcompany.com/a-mothers-instinct/

 

[HIStory]

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I doubt Joy's book is about any allegation of abuse - I think it is just Radar Online trying to be suggestive re. the title. But in 2011 Joy was helping Jermaine write his book and we also have a radio interview with Joy from 2011 where she praises MJ, so if meanwhile she would be writing books about alleged abuse it would be explosive in showing how they plotted this way before May 2012. However, I doubt her book is about that. But I do want to see the metadata for Wade's book.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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That would still not explain why he lied under oath claiming that he gave them everything he had.
Particularly since the first time he gave them only one email.
Also wouldn't explain why he didn't give the Estate the original electronic version of his emails or why he failed to give them the book for three year.



WTF does this mean? He instict told her that MJ was molesting her son that's why she took Wade to
MJ over and over again even after the Chandler thing and defended MJ all over the place including under oath?

Morons.

What like her trial testimony in 05 where she said in reference to mj "to know him is to love him"

 

[HIStory]

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I'm very curious that Wade produced his first two 'supplemental' sets of PDF documents in paper format. These are numbered 105-3982= 3877 printed pages (received by Estate Attys on 17/10 and 25/10).
Robson's Attys were already responding to Estate on 11/10 about Wade's not having produced all his documents. I wonder why Robson's Attys didn't advise Wade to produce his docs after this date in electronic format (on a memory stick), so that they would be searchable and convenient to handle? Assuming about 10 pages per minute printing time, these paper docs would have taken over 6 hours to print, and must have needed some arrangement and cost to deliver. It sounds as if Robson or his attys have been deliberately 'obstructive' in producing these PDF docs on paper...since PDFs are by nature electronic in the first place. The papers all have WR MSF numbers...presumably allocated by the MSF Attys?...so his attys must presumably have known the document format Wade was providing. The indicators all add up to Wade having something to hide (in relation to the electronic docs), and his atty's helping him.

Good point.

 

[redfrog]

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I doubt Joy's book is about any allegation of abuse - I think it is just Radar Online trying to be suggestive re. the title. But in 2011 Joy was helping Jermaine write his book and we also have a radio interview with Joy from 2011 where she praises MJ, so if meanwhile she would be writing books about alleged abuse it would be explosive in showing how they plotted this way before May 2012. However, I doubt her book is about that. But I do want to see the metadata for Wade's book.

It just shows how Radar's cretins don't check even the basic facts like if she had suspected that MJ was guilty why did she take her son back to him for years, praise him, defended him in court.
Radar just doesn't give a **** and will use whatever they can to smear MJ. They don't care if it makes absolutely no sense.
The problem is that their readers also don't care.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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I don't think Joy can brag about her mother instincts in a book title while the book itself is about an abuse, 20 years too late. Radar probably twisted something in the files to get more views.

 

[redfrog]

There is just so much evidence that Robson is lying the companies could sue Robson for
defamation but I doubt the Estate will go there.
If these cases are just thrown out because of the statute of limitations that wouldn't help MJ much.
The media will report that MJ once again got away with it. this could only end well if the case is dismissed
for reasons beyond the SOL and the media is willing to report that or if the Estate goes on the offensive
and wins against them in court.

As for the judge by now he must be fully aware that Robson Safechuck and their lawyers
are bullshit artists and he should be sick and tired of their sleazy maneuverings
like that judge was who put Michael Egan in his place when Egan flat out lied in court.

Would be great to have the transcript of that Feb 2 hearing.

I don't think Joy can brag about her mother instincts in a book title while the book itself is about an abuse, 20 years too late. Radar probably twisted something in the files to get more views.

Radar wrote this :

Now, Radar can reveal that attorneys said in the same court documents that his mom, Joy Robson, had written her own book. While Wade’s is complete — and he was shopping it to publishers in 2013, the documents claim — Joy’s is still in the very rough stages. According to the court papers, Robson’s team found “old drafts of the memoir that she had emailed quiet some time ago,” in March 29, 2011, when perusing her Yahoo email account.

In the Estate's motion there is not a word about any book Joy wrote, let alone an exact date of she emailed it to anyone.
So it may be complete BS and Joy never wrote such a book, or Robson told Radar that she did and they try to make it sound more credible by referring to court documents. In any case the whole story makes no sense since Joy Robson was positive about Mj
even in July 2011 and she sure didn't have any instinct that MJ was molesting her son.

 

[myosotis]

There is just so much evidence that Robson is lying the companies could sue Robson for
defamation but I doubt the Estate will go there.
If these cases are just thrown out because of the statute of limitations that wouldn't help MJ much.
The media will report that MJ once again got away with it. this could only end well if the case is dismissed
for reasons beyond the SOL and the media is willing to report that or if the Estate goes on the offensive
and wins against them in court.


In the Estate's motion there is not a word about any book Joy wrote, let alone an exact date of she emailed it to anyone.
So it may be complete BS and Joy never wrote such a book, or Robson told Radar that she did and they try to make it sound more credible by referring to court documents. In any case the whole story makes no sense since Joy Robson was positive about Mj
even in July 2011 and she sure didn't have any instinct that MJ was molesting her son.

This is what another tabloid online says:

Wade Robson revealed more details about his tell-all book in his own deposition on December 12. He was asked by Jackson’s estate attorneys if he tried to get his book published, to which he replied, “yes.” However, when the lawyers continued to press Robson to name publishers, he backed off.

And also about Joys book drafts:
'The drafts were hidden in a folder called “A Mother’s Instinct.” Robson’s legal team produced the drafts as part of the discovery process'

So does this mean that Robson's attys are leaking their and the Estate Atty's discovery findings? Isn't discovery meant to be confidential??? (I don't know US law on these things).

This clip from the 27 Dec Robson motion to Compel indicates that Robson was instructed not to answer questions about statements from book publishers...

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pmM3RoWBp][/URL]


Does this 'leak' to tabloids about Wade's and Joy's book drafts (from Wade's deposition) have any implications for Wade's declarations of 'Attorney - Client Privilege' as regards his evidence?

http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pnivwDAkp][/URL]

(Edit: I found this information about confidentiality online....so does this mean that Wade's deposition is now a public doc?:

Generally discovery requests and responses, which includes depositons, aren't filed with the court and made public, they're just served on the other parties.

When a lawyer seeks to compel further answers, and portions of a depo transcript are filed with the court, then, unless the filing is "sealed" and kept from the public (which is difficult to do in CA which considers all lawsuit filings and proceedings public), then anyone could look at it.

 

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Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

If Robson refused to disclose any information about the publishers citing confidentiality, I wonder how the estate came to know that no publisher gave him a deal. His computers and phones will be a gold mine.