[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Here it is :popcorn:

I'm pretty sure this is what she meant.

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Can`t wait to read it


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It will worth the wait. I'm working on it non-stop and I have friends helping. Will try to get it out ASAP, tomorrow the latest.

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You are killing me....I am so curious https://twitter.com/Ivy_4MJ/status/816340236104007680 …


Ivy ‏@Ivy_4MJ · 2 Std.vor 2 Stunden

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Significant findings for Estate, not so good for Robson. Wade got caught red handed


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@Ivy_4MJ in a good way or a bad way


Ivy ‏@Ivy_4MJ · 2 Std.vor 2 Stunden

Coming tomorrow - Estate's motion to compel Wade Robson to produce documents. All I can say for now is "Oh my frigging God".


All I can say is that I'm thinking about staying up all night waiting to read this!!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

All I can say is that I'm thinking about staying up all night waiting to read this!!!

Don't stay up. I think I will post it around 10-12 hrs later.
 
Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

They make any normal thing 'perverted'... If they can use hetero sexual pornography into homosexual molestation, they can use anything as 'evidence'.. Next they will say Michael had sex with women in the back of his SUV's to fool the security guards so they would not find picking up children suspicious.
 
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Can't wait to see what's coming. But you'd think that Robson swearing in a court of law that MJ never ever touched him inappropriately would be enough. It's so sickening this nonsense is still going. Hope a nail will finally be put in it and they all disappear, including the lawyers too.
 
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Can't wait to see what's coming. But you'd think that Robson swearing in a court of law that MJ never ever touched him inappropriately would be enough. It's so sickening this nonsense is still going. Hope a nail will finally be put in it and they all disappear, including the lawyers too.

The problem is no matter how much evidence there is that he lied under oath in his 2013 sworn declaration he won't be prosecuted
for perjury. Just like the Chandlers, Francias, Arvizos Robson and Safechuck too are fully confident they can lie under oath and get away with it.
 
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Thank you Ivy, that made excellent reading :) I'm so pleased that Wade has received this very deserved late 'Christmas gift' from the Estate lawyers, complete with probable price tag attached. I'm surprised that the requested sanction is so little...only $17,100.
(Edit: I'm hoping that everything asked by the Estate will be granted).

My favourite sentence:
'Defendants should not be forced to continue playing 'whack a mole' in response to R's document production'.

I'd love to know why the literary agent couldn't find a buyer for the book. Maybe W was asking too much for it? Maybe they thought that it needed a legal claim to put the book on more 'solid ground' Ha Ha.

I'd also love to know how Wade thought that he'd get away with submitting heavily or totally redacted documents, especially if his family members were sending in their own copies (un-redacted) of the same documents...ooops. Wonder what his family think about all this....It would be interesting if their support should happen to wane, as more information comes out.
 
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I'm surprised that the requested sanction is so little...only $17,100.

I believe they can only ask for attorney time(dealing with this discovery issue) and cost of the motion to compel.

I'd love to know why the literary agent couldn't find a buyer for the book. Maybe W was asking too much for it? Maybe they thought that it needed a legal claim to put the book on more 'solid ground' Ha Ha.

Generally speaking I don't think there is much interest in Michael related books especially negative book nowadays. So that alone could be a reason why a publisher wasn't interested. Then he was also making abuse allegations which could be another reasons why publishers didn't want to touch it. Surely he would see this lawsuit as a way to legitimize his claims and I'm now pretty sure win or lose he will eventually release "his truth".
 
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Sounds like Robson's case is numbered, now he's in for a loss of a lifetime.
 
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Surely he would see this lawsuit as a way to legitimize his claims and I'm now pretty sure win or lose he will eventually release "his truth".

If that happens the Estate should publish all the lies and dirty tricks Robson and his lawyers have done over the last 4 years.
I still don't understand how he can get away with lying in sworn declarations. Why won't he be prosecuted for perjury
if there is proof that he lied under oath?
 
Just looked up W's chosen literary agent. His company deals in several genres of writing. This one would be very suitable for W's book:

'General fiction' :) (or possibly 'Fantasy')

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Edit: I've just been reading about the below topic, with reference to a civil case where the same computer expert was brought in to review electronic documents, and was able to show that they had been amended. I wonder if further penalties (or a request to dismiss the case) could follow any finding of delberate changes / deletions of evidence?


The spoliation of evidence is the intentional, reckless, or negligent withholding, hiding, altering, fabricating, or destroying of evidence relevant to a legal proceeding.[1] Spoliation has two possible consequences: in jurisdictions where the (intentional) act is criminal by statute, it may result in fines and incarceration (if convicted in a separate criminal proceeding) for the parties who engaged in the spoliation; in jurisdictions where relevant case law precedent has been established, proceedings possibly altered by spoliation may be interpreted under a spoliation inference, or by other corrective measures, depending on the jurisdiction.

The spoliation inference is a negative evidentiary inference that a finder of fact can draw from a party's destruction of a document or thing that is relevant to an ongoing or reasonably foreseeable civil or criminal proceeding: the finder of fact can review all evidence uncovered in as strong a light as possible against the spoliator and in favor of the opposing party.

The theory of the spoliation inference is that when a party destroys evidence, it may be reasonable to infer that the party had "consciousness of guilt" or other motivation to avoid the evidence. Therefore, the factfinder may conclude that the evidence would have been unfavorable to the spoliator
(Ref. wiki)


In the civil case I looked at, the defendants’ motion for sanctions was partly granted including that:
the plaintiffs shall pay the attorneys’ fees and costs incurred by the defendants in establishing the spoliation and obtaining relief.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Great work, Ivy, and thank you so much.
But why am I not even surprised. Sorry to say it, but I really think Wade is stupid.

Obviously they thought they could sabotage the new projects each time, hoping for that settlement. You'd think after it failed a couple of times, they'd try something new. Those new attorneys are just as bad-schools and churches are easy pickings these days.

I guess if Shana can get a book deal, Wade can. Hopefully will just go the way of these other books like Chandler's that I never heard of before joining this forum.
 
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Thank you ivy. I have to agree with others that this is so frustrating.such blatent perjury and with holding evidence. Such behaviour should allow a judge grounds to dismiss. Time and time again we see this happen in mj cases.And the sad thing is while this is great news interms of evidence showing what complete b.s this all is (not that we didnt already know) everytime it just seems to go on and on and now we wait for the judges ruling.pathetic robson is building his allegations around what joy tells him as he has hardly no memory of his time with mj. and shes going along with ot even when shes telling gim claims by ex staff are lies (whoops) you need a shower after reading that .they are dirty filthy people. By hell i hope for karma

Frankly im surprised no one offered him a book deal.and you can bet the rest of the media knew about it as they all know each other but kept quiet as they know how it makes robson look.
 
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^ well if the case goes sour for Robson which it should and I believe it will.. I'm sure a book will be the next avenue to cash in..
 
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Okay these cases need to be dismiss now it time to end this nightmare.
 
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In other words Joy Robson is fully aware that her son is lying and fabricating a case out of nothing
and she is fully participating in the whole dirty scheme.

After all the things MJ did for her and her son.


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Wait, I don't know the timeline of this case by heart - I know he filed in the beginning of 2013, but when did he tell his therapist about his alleged abuse for the 'first time in his life'? Wasn't that also in 2013? So.. he wrote an entire book about it before he supposedly even 'realised' he was abused?! Either I misunderstood these dates or he is the stupidest person alive.

Also, very revealing how he doesn't want the Estate to know what's in those emails, especially those with his mother. If you're truly abused and you have nothing to hide, then what can be so confidential about them that they need to be entirely redacted? He already told the world everything that 'happened' in graphic detail anyways, right..?
I hope the Estate gets to do their search, even if he deleted documents/emails there's way to retreive those.. I'm very curious to see what more they find.
 
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Wait, I don't know the timeline of this case by heart - I know he filed in the beginning of 2013, but when did he tell his therapist about his alleged abuse for the 'first time in his life'?

He said it was May 8 2012.

Wasn't that also in 2013? So.. he wrote an entire book about it before he supposedly even 'realised' he was abused?!

He wrote it in 2012 and 2013 after he decided to **** MJ over in and around May 2012
 
Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Wait, I don't know the timeline of this case by heart - I know he filed in the beginning of 2013, but when did he tell his therapist about his alleged abuse for the 'first time in his life'? Wasn't that also in 2013? So.. he wrote an entire book about it before he supposedly even 'realised' he was abused?! Either I misunderstood these dates or he is the stupidest person alive.

Also, very revealing how he doesn't want the Estate to know what's in those emails, especially those with his mother. If you're truly abused and you have nothing to hide, then what can be so confidential about them that they need to be entirely redacted? He already told the world everything that 'happened' in graphic detail anyways, right..?
I hope the Estate gets to do their search, even if he deleted documents/emails there's way to retreive those.. I'm very curious to see what more they find.

The therapy was in May 2012 and filed a year later. The book shopping is between these two events.
 
Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

Looks like the New York Daily News still found a way to kiss Robson's ass because according to their logic if Robson lies
and destroys evidence that means MJ was a monster.

The judge absolutely should sanction Robson maybe then the press could not use that against MJ.
 
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^^ok thanks for clarifying guys. Still can't believe he's been writing a book about it.. I really hope it'll never be released.
 
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Holy ****ing shit!!! Maybe this is why Robson's previous lawyers withdrew from his case? Perhaps they found out about his withholding of evidence? Hmm!!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Sexual abuse claims against MJ Estate (Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe)

In other words Joy Robson is fully aware that her son is lying and fabricating a case out of nothing
and she is fully participating in the whole dirty scheme.

After all the things MJ did for her and her son.


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She truly is something else :puke:
 
[FONT=&quot]A lawyer for Robson, meanwhile, called the accusations baseless.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"Mr. Robson produced every single bit of discoverable information he possesses respective to this case many months ago,” Vince Finaldi said in a Wednesday statement to The News.

“This latest filing by the Jackson camp is nothing but a transparent attempt to smear and intimidate a sexual abuse victim and his family for having the courage to come forward and expose the evil child sexual abuse machines that Michael Jackson's companies truly were,” he said.

“We look forward to defeating this motion and disclosing to the world the Jackson camp's true motives,” Finaldi said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...itness-withholding-evidence-article-1.2934835[/FONT]
 
marc_vivien;4180423 said:
[FONT="]A lawyer for Robson, meanwhile, called the accusations baseless.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT="]"Mr. Robson produced every single bit of discoverable information he possesses respective to this case many months ago,” Vince Finaldi said in a Wednesday statement to The News.

“This latest filing by the Jackson camp is nothing but a transparent attempt to smear and intimidate a sexual abuse victim and his family for having the courage to come forward and expose the evil child sexual abuse machines that Michael Jackson's companies truly were,” he said.

“We look forward to defeating this motion and disclosing to the world the Jackson camp's true motives,” Finaldi said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...itness-withholding-evidence-article-1.2934835[/FONT]


And of course the media doesn't have any time to take a look at the Estate's motion and the evidence that Robson
failed to produce those documents.

Moreover, how exactly could a sexual abuse victim be intimidated with a motion to compel? How?
 
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