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This is just crazy.
This is just crazy.
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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe
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Notice that this account was started in October 2009? She waits a few months after his death and then starts capitalizing on it selling items that are highly likely to be the ones she stole. This makes me sick!
Notice that this account was started in October 2009? She waits a few months after his death and then starts capitalizing on it selling items that are highly likely to be the ones she stole. This makes me sick!
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I think items fetch a lot of money when their authenticity can be proven and/or the seller is willing to authenticate it. Any clothing items from Michael Bush will fetch a lot of money. But not these ones.I don't think they are saying the items are from her and with the nature of ebay it might not be even her. those ID cards , keys etc can all be fakes. after all it's a card with her name, picture and neverland logo. anyone can print such cards. and anyone can take a key and say that's mj's key. there's no way to confirm or deny it.
I think items fetch a lot of money when their authenticity can be proven and/or the seller is willing to authenticate it. Any clothing items from Michael Bush will fetch a lot of money. But not these ones.I don't think they are saying the items are from her and with the nature of ebay it might not be even her. those ID cards , keys etc can all be fakes. after all it's a card with her name, picture and neverland logo. anyone can print such cards. and anyone can take a key and say that's mj's key. there's no way to confirm or deny it.
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I guess the reason being that she can easily explain how she got her staff card (worked @NL), but she cannot really authenticate pants and say she was staff and stole them.
I saw she stole MJ's fedora too and sold it for 4 thousand
Excellent Service, Accurate description. Very satisfied Buyer: l***r ( 126Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499) More than a year ago
Michael Jackson Authentic Fedora Hat .. (#260508021588) US $4,000.00
I guess the reason being that she can easily explain how she got her staff card (worked @NL), but she cannot really authenticate pants and say she was staff and stole them.
I saw she stole MJ's fedora too and sold it for 4 thousand
Excellent Service, Accurate description. Very satisfied Buyer: l***r ( 126Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499) More than a year ago
Michael Jackson Authentic Fedora Hat .. (#260508021588) US $4,000.00
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The estate needs to go after this B****. its well documented she stole and was found liable by a court
The estate needs to go after this B****. its well documented she stole and was found liable by a court
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
True.
I see ebay has policy against stolen property but I don't know if there's anything fans can do.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/stolen.html
True.
I see ebay has policy against stolen property but I don't know if there's anything fans can do.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/stolen.html
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Guess she couldn't authenticate the fedora either bc they usually go for a lot more. But 4k is a LOT of money especially for a stolen item.
Don't one of the posters here have access to the Estate email? I thought somebody did.
Guess she couldn't authenticate the fedora either bc they usually go for a lot more. But 4k is a LOT of money especially for a stolen item.
Don't one of the posters here have access to the Estate email? I thought somebody did.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Have the Estate said anything yet about this?
Have the Estate said anything yet about this?
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If McManus was found guilty of stealing, wouldn't there have been material evidence to that effect (ie items in her possession) ? And wouldn't the prosecution have secured the stolen items?
The description of the pants is still on ebay, although sadly not the photos. Here is part of the description:
UP FOR BID IS A GENUINE PAIR OF PANTS CUSTOM MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON THAT HE WORE IN THE 1990'S AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. (THE M.J. DESIGNERS ARE NAMED INSIDE THE PANTS) THESE PANTS ARE LINED AT THE WAIST WITH THE COMMENT WHICH READS "A WISE MAN NEVER SITS NEXT TO A PICTURE OF A FIRE TO KEEP WARM." THESE PANTS HAVE A 28 INCH WAIST AND ARE CUFFED AT THE BOTTOM ALONG WITH A GOLDEN CROWN WITH A FEW DIFFERENT COLORS INSIDE OF IT ABOVE THE ZIPPER. THESE PANTS ARE DRY CLEANED ONLY AND ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
I don't recall any other MJ clothing items having 'wise sayings' sewn into them? I don't recall MJ often wearing 'cuffed' pants.
Many of MJ's designer-made pants were zipped along the inside leg.
95% of 'genuine MJ-worn' clothing on ebay is fake, and this is a typical fake-type description. 'Designer labels' are easily faked.
(from Respect, prev. page)
If McManus was found guilty of stealing, wouldn't there have been material evidence to that effect (ie items in her possession) ? And wouldn't the prosecution have secured the stolen items?
The description of the pants is still on ebay, although sadly not the photos. Here is part of the description:
UP FOR BID IS A GENUINE PAIR OF PANTS CUSTOM MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON THAT HE WORE IN THE 1990'S AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. (THE M.J. DESIGNERS ARE NAMED INSIDE THE PANTS) THESE PANTS ARE LINED AT THE WAIST WITH THE COMMENT WHICH READS "A WISE MAN NEVER SITS NEXT TO A PICTURE OF A FIRE TO KEEP WARM." THESE PANTS HAVE A 28 INCH WAIST AND ARE CUFFED AT THE BOTTOM ALONG WITH A GOLDEN CROWN WITH A FEW DIFFERENT COLORS INSIDE OF IT ABOVE THE ZIPPER. THESE PANTS ARE DRY CLEANED ONLY AND ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
I don't recall any other MJ clothing items having 'wise sayings' sewn into them? I don't recall MJ often wearing 'cuffed' pants.
Many of MJ's designer-made pants were zipped along the inside leg.
95% of 'genuine MJ-worn' clothing on ebay is fake, and this is a typical fake-type description. 'Designer labels' are easily faked.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Speaking of ebay, Chantal's listing of the photo with a message for Wade has ended. Wonder if she'll relist it :smilerolleyes:
Speaking of ebay, Chantal's listing of the photo with a message for Wade has ended. Wonder if she'll relist it :smilerolleyes:
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Lol, I noticed it ended and she got nothing. I doubt anyone who knows about Wade and is a fan will pay anything for this.
As for the keys, the price on those has dropped $300 since I checked it yesterday.
Lol, I noticed it ended and she got nothing. I doubt anyone who knows about Wade and is a fan will pay anything for this.
As for the keys, the price on those has dropped $300 since I checked it yesterday.
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How do you get see description, or do you have to have account or something in order to see old items description?
I can only see what she has sold but no description or nothing else.
Me thinks that those pants are made by Bush& T.
I did a google search on that saying and found this link and photos of the pants:
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-485263042
@Barbee
Usually Michael's fedora's that sells with lots of money have signature in them, but if McAnus stole this from Michael's closet, it might not be signed, so that hat could have been sold without signature, thus the price is lower. 4 thousand is still good price, so there must have been some sort of description that it belonged to MJ (something like this A black felt fedora with black gross grain ribbon hat band. The interior hat band has "Michael Jackson" printed in gold)
For example, Julien's had 1 fedora with signature, it was estimated to fetch $1,000 - $1,500 but went for $46,875
It is sickening thought that if this seller is McAnus, she has caused so much trouble to Michael, and now she makes living off him
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The price is $1200.00, she put the price up again.
How do you get see description, or do you have to have account or something in order to see old items description?
I can only see what she has sold but no description or nothing else.
Me thinks that those pants are made by Bush& T.
I did a google search on that saying and found this link and photos of the pants:
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-485263042
@Barbee
Usually Michael's fedora's that sells with lots of money have signature in them, but if McAnus stole this from Michael's closet, it might not be signed, so that hat could have been sold without signature, thus the price is lower. 4 thousand is still good price, so there must have been some sort of description that it belonged to MJ (something like this A black felt fedora with black gross grain ribbon hat band. The interior hat band has "Michael Jackson" printed in gold)
For example, Julien's had 1 fedora with signature, it was estimated to fetch $1,000 - $1,500 but went for $46,875
It is sickening thought that if this seller is McAnus, she has caused so much trouble to Michael, and now she makes living off him
uke:@MJresearcher
The price is $1200.00, she put the price up again.
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^ Thank you, well found! Yes, that's the same pants - there is an ebay link on the worthpoint page, and the description is exactly the same.
The ebay description can be found by doing an 'Advanced' search, and ticking 'sold items'.
I think that T+B workmanship is far more professional than shown in these photos. Having seen the costume exhibitions, Michael's T+B clothes were very beautifully made. This looks like a pair of cast -off pants with a very poor quality second -hand military badge attached.
The badge appears to be half-sewn over the top of the fly opening...it's a mess! However....this does look like a copy of pants included in the 'Bush' auction from Dec 12. The ebay/ worthpoint auction was a year later in 2013, so a copy is very likely.
There is a photo of a 'half sewn' badge on pants in this auction at Lot 833, but the pants and badge are much better quality. (photo is the fourth one below).
If the 'stealthykitty' pants are genuine, I'd be extremely surprised, and would be very unhappy with the quality of the item as representing 'Michael'. I guess I can't get my head around paying T+B for custom-made pants (some fully silk -lined) and then stitching such poor-quality cheap-looking military badges to the front. The badge from the Bush auction pants is at least a good quality one!
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Bush Auction Juliens Lot 833 Dec 12:
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This looks like one of the other pairs (Genuine MJ pants) sold in April 2014:
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-517810434
UP FOR SALE IS MY SECOND GENUINE PAIR OF PANTS CUSTOM MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON THAT HE WORE IN THE 1990'S AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. THESE PANTS ARE COMPLETELY SILK LINED INSIDE (AS THE PICTURE SHOWS) WITH A 28 INCH WAIST AND ARE CUFFED AT THE BOTTOM. THESE PANTS ALSO HAVE A VERY DISTINCTIVE GOLDEN EAGLE EMBLEM ON TOP OF A METAL ANCHOR SURROUNDED BY GOLD LEAFING ABOVE THE ZIPPER THAT WAS DESIGNED BY DENNIS THOMPKINS AND MICHAEL BUSH. THESE PANTS ARE DRY CLEANED ONLY AND ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/f0bEjhduj]
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There was another pair of pants from the same seller ('fourth pair'):
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-510404143
UP FOR SALE IS MY FOURTH GENUINE PAIR OF PANTS THAT PERSONALLY BELONGED TO MICHAEL JACKSON THAT HE WORE IN THE 1990'S AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. THESE PANTS HAVE A 28 INCH WAIST AND ARE MADE OF BLACK CORDUROY FROM LEVI. THESE PANTS ARE DRY CLEANED ONLY AND ARE IN EXCELLENT CONDITION AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST PAIR OF M.J. PANTS THAT I WILL BE SELLING.
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/exPyOLH5j]
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These might be the 'third' pair sold in October 14:
They seem to be the only ones where the T+B labels have been photographed.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-1544316942
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/p5u0WWq8j]
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^ Thank you, well found! Yes, that's the same pants - there is an ebay link on the worthpoint page, and the description is exactly the same.
The ebay description can be found by doing an 'Advanced' search, and ticking 'sold items'.
I think that T+B workmanship is far more professional than shown in these photos. Having seen the costume exhibitions, Michael's T+B clothes were very beautifully made. This looks like a pair of cast -off pants with a very poor quality second -hand military badge attached.
The badge appears to be half-sewn over the top of the fly opening...it's a mess! However....this does look like a copy of pants included in the 'Bush' auction from Dec 12. The ebay/ worthpoint auction was a year later in 2013, so a copy is very likely.
There is a photo of a 'half sewn' badge on pants in this auction at Lot 833, but the pants and badge are much better quality. (photo is the fourth one below).
If the 'stealthykitty' pants are genuine, I'd be extremely surprised, and would be very unhappy with the quality of the item as representing 'Michael'. I guess I can't get my head around paying T+B for custom-made pants (some fully silk -lined) and then stitching such poor-quality cheap-looking military badges to the front. The badge from the Bush auction pants is at least a good quality one!
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/p5AhKlIQj]
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[/URL]Bush Auction Juliens Lot 833 Dec 12:
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/pd9drMj2j]
[/URL]This looks like one of the other pairs (Genuine MJ pants) sold in April 2014:
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-517810434
UP FOR SALE IS MY SECOND GENUINE PAIR OF PANTS CUSTOM MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON THAT HE WORE IN THE 1990'S AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. THESE PANTS ARE COMPLETELY SILK LINED INSIDE (AS THE PICTURE SHOWS) WITH A 28 INCH WAIST AND ARE CUFFED AT THE BOTTOM. THESE PANTS ALSO HAVE A VERY DISTINCTIVE GOLDEN EAGLE EMBLEM ON TOP OF A METAL ANCHOR SURROUNDED BY GOLD LEAFING ABOVE THE ZIPPER THAT WAS DESIGNED BY DENNIS THOMPKINS AND MICHAEL BUSH. THESE PANTS ARE DRY CLEANED ONLY AND ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/f0bEjhduj]
[/URL]There was another pair of pants from the same seller ('fourth pair'):
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-510404143
UP FOR SALE IS MY FOURTH GENUINE PAIR OF PANTS THAT PERSONALLY BELONGED TO MICHAEL JACKSON THAT HE WORE IN THE 1990'S AND THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. THESE PANTS HAVE A 28 INCH WAIST AND ARE MADE OF BLACK CORDUROY FROM LEVI. THESE PANTS ARE DRY CLEANED ONLY AND ARE IN EXCELLENT CONDITION AND THIS WILL BE THE LAST PAIR OF M.J. PANTS THAT I WILL BE SELLING.
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/exPyOLH5j]
[/URL]These might be the 'third' pair sold in October 14:
They seem to be the only ones where the T+B labels have been photographed.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/genuine-michael-jackson-pants-1544316942
http://[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/p5u0WWq8j]
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Under probate case
09/21/2015 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Granted
09/21/2015 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Granted
Under Robson Civil case
09/21/2015 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Overruled
Under probate case
09/21/2015 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Granted
09/21/2015 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Granted
Under Robson Civil case
09/21/2015 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Ruling on Submitted Matter - Overruled
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
So Safechuck probate case got dismissed on demurrer (which was expected based on the Robson ruling), Robson civil lawsuit goes on to summary judgement.
Sigh.
I hoped the Robson civil would be dismissed as well.
So now we have the lawsuits against the companies left.
So Safechuck probate case got dismissed on demurrer (which was expected based on the Robson ruling), Robson civil lawsuit goes on to summary judgement.
Sigh.
I hoped the Robson civil would be dismissed as well.
So now we have the lawsuits against the companies left.
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
If those are the demurrer rulings then yeah.
I'm kinda finding it odd though. Beckloff issuing a ruling when he is reassigned and on temporary duty at appeals court?
If those are the demurrer rulings then yeah.
I'm kinda finding it odd though. Beckloff issuing a ruling when he is reassigned and on temporary duty at appeals court?
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^^
It's the date he gave it to the clerk.
showing on the document system takes time (date filed and date scanned could be different) but case summary shows stuff as they happen.
^^
It's the date he gave it to the clerk.
showing on the document system takes time (date filed and date scanned could be different) but case summary shows stuff as they happen.
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Ivy called it
Ivy called it
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Hopefully the rest will go as she predicted as well, though.
Hopefully the rest will go as she predicted as well, though.
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Thanks for the update. so its gone as expected. next summary judgement for the company cases
Thanks for the update. so its gone as expected. next summary judgement for the company cases
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I hope this going well too it time to end this companies are not ppls. Time to get a life Wade leave MJ alone let him rest in peace.
Any word yet?
I hope this going well too it time to end this companies are not ppls. Time to get a life Wade leave MJ alone let him rest in peace.
Any word yet?
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For both Robson and Safechuck, correct? I'm somewhat surprised he let it go on to the next phase-I really am. I hope we get to read his ruling for the Safechuck/probate case.
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It should have never went this far there is nothing there it is a waste of time hope the judge can see that and dismiss it end of story for Wade and James.
It should have never went this far there is nothing there it is a waste of time hope the judge can see that and dismiss it end of story for Wade and James.
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The lies has play out Did their really think this was going to last why waste the court time with this mess i will say it again you can't sue a company their are not ppls. Wade you did this to yourself i still can't believe how Michael became friend with you i wish he never did you have been a nightmare to his family and think that this court is give you a change to prove a case that is not real. I am prayer that this will be over soon Michael Jackson family and his fans do not deserve this kind of treatment from you. I really do hope that this judge will dismiss this mess so Michael family can live in peace.
The lies has play out Did their really think this was going to last why waste the court time with this mess i will say it again you can't sue a company their are not ppls. Wade you did this to yourself i still can't believe how Michael became friend with you i wish he never did you have been a nightmare to his family and think that this court is give you a change to prove a case that is not real. I am prayer that this will be over soon Michael Jackson family and his fans do not deserve this kind of treatment from you. I really do hope that this judge will dismiss this mess so Michael family can live in peace.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
My question too Bubs
Do we have any updated yet?
My question too Bubs
Do we have any updated yet?