[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm surprised he hadn't filed bankruptcy yet :bored:
He prob has to wait til this is over or the attorneys would drop his case.
What happens tomorrow? I get all these dates confused. :(
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He prob has to wait til this is over or the attorneys would drop his case.
What happens tomorrow? I get all these dates confused. :(


Hearing about the Estate's demurrer in Robson's lawsuit against MJ's companies. I do not expect an immediate result. Probably we will have to wait a couple of days or weeks until we get substantial news about it.
 
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LA superior court

Under Wade Robson name - only his two lawsuits against MJ Estate and Companies

For Wajero - BC310907 JOHN LARAIO ET AL VS MTV NETWORKS INC ET AL Filing Date: 02/19/2004 Contractual Fraud (General Jurisdiction)Dism Lack Prosecutn per 581a & 583 02/15/2005

light tree - nothing

hawaii court system - shows a traffic ticket for speeding

Case ID: 2DTI-14-017377 - State v. Wade Robson -NON JURY-
Type: TI - Traffic Infraction
Status: CLOSEDS - Closed Case-Judgment Satisfied
Last Updated: 07-Aug-2014
ID: @2036661 JUV: N
Party Status: Not Specified
Filing Date: WEDNESDAY, JULY 30, 2014
Court: SECOND CIRCUIT
Location: WAILUKU DIVISION Balance Due: $0.00
CDL: N CMV: N HAZ: N Citation / Arrest: Alleged Speed: 65 / 45
Violations
Violation Disposition Sentence
No. Code Description Date Code Description Date Code Description Length
1 HRS 291C-102(a)(1) NONCMPLN W/SPEED LIM > MAX 07/23/2014 JFS Judgment for State 08/07/2014

Hawaii district court - nothing

Hawaii bankruptcy court - nothing

California district court - nothing

california bankruptcy court - nothing

edited to add: hawaii court system was a little different so I'm not sure if I checked it all there.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I remember an article at the very beginning of this case (I think it was on RadarOnline). And they cited a source close to him saying that Wade does have his reserves but it also mentioned that there were lawsuits pending against him for breaking contracts. Does anyone else remember it? The source was not named but it seemed to be someone in support of him, so I am wondering if it was his cousin.

ETA: I found it. It was on TMZ. May 9, 2013:

I think these were mentioned because he wanted to include these ideas for his claims. I doubt he was sued or anything over them, but just lost out on money, and so could use those in his claims as proof that the "breakdown" and "trauma" lead to a direct loss of money.


^^^ I imagine Wade is doing this lawsuit on a "no win no fee" agreement. Lawyers would be prepared to take this case as it's so high profile it would get their name out there. But also, because I'm sure they expected to get something from it. Remember how much the lawyers in 1993 got.

But I hope this draws out just because the longer it's in the system, the more it drains on his resources as he's not able to properly work and there must be some type of fees he's accumulating with this.

I'm still hoping the estate can ask for legal fees at the end too.
 
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^^^ I imagine Wade is doing this lawsuit on a "no win no fee" agreement. Lawyers would be prepared to take this case as it's so high profile it would get their name out there. But also, because I'm sure they expected to get something from it. Remember how much the lawyers in 1993 got.

But I hope this draws out just because the longer it's in the system, the more it drains on his resources as he's not able to properly work and there must be some type of fees he's accumulating with this.

I'm still hoping the estate can ask for legal fees at the end too.
I don't want it to draw out any longer. I think it all should end right away.

I do hope they sue him for fees and the entertainment industry bans him. He'll go broke soon enough.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade Robson worked with Cirque du Soleil, in Las Vegas, as choreographer for Criss Angel's, "Believe" show and Variety did not give it a good review.

This is part of Wade's problem, with both Cirque du Soleil and the Estate of Michael Jackson. The Criss Angel show had to be overhauled and Wade Robson was not a part of that transition.

If you ask me, Wade was washed up and Cirque du Soleil was not interested in working with him in the future, because Cirque was losing money on "Believe."
http://variety.com/2008/legit/reviews/criss-angel-believe-1200472545/


Wade Robson Celebrates His Birthday At Blush Nightclub September 20, 2008 at Wynn Las Vegas
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

saw this under probate case summary

07/08/2015 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Hearing on Demurrer(to James Safechuck's AmendedPetition for Order to File aLate Creditor's Claim;)

edited to add: a previous document has shown the date as July 21 http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/MJ-signed.pdf
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the judge thinks Robson satisfied (b)(2) then he gets the green light?
Doesn't he have to meet (a)(1) or (a)(2) too?

And does Robson want to set a precedent here too given that there is not one case he could cite to support his argument?

Also, where are all those quotes by Murdoch, Staikos etc. from? Does anyone have a clue?


saw this under probate case summary

07/08/2015 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Hearing on Demurrer(to James Safechuck's AmendedPetition for Order to File aLate Creditor's Claim;)

edited to add: a previous document has shown the date as July 21 http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/MJ-signed.pdf


And what does this mean? that the hearing has been delayed? Why?

There is part in Safechuck's declaration that is such an obvious and blatant lie I don't understand why he would include this in his story since it's so easy to refute it:

During the course of the trial I received a call from decedent's attorneys and his assistant. Evvy Tavasci. they asked me again if I would testify at the trial as they needed me to refute testimony given by the cooks at Neverland Ranch. I told them "let them say that I don't want to be involved". the lawyer cut off the call abruptly.


There was no testimony involving Safechuck at all, the judge didn't allow it because Sneddon didn't have anyone who said they saw anything sexual between him and MJ!
Quindoy was dead anyway and even if he had testified he would have been easily impeached with his and his wife's interviews where they didn't say a bad word about MJ and were all smiles while talking about MJ and kids in Neverland and that MJ acted pretty much like a kid himself. They also sued MJ for overtime pay and they wanted to sell stories to tabloids. They would have been ridiculous witnesses.

And TM definitely didn't call Safechuck so which lawyer did and why would he have called him during the trial at all?
And "the lawyer cut off the call abruptly. "?? Come on. This sounds like a stupid B movie.

And this:

I learned on the news that decedent had died. When I found out I felt sad because I realized I would never have the opportunity for a normal relationship with him.

Imagine Aaron Fisher saying: when I heard Sandusky died I felt said because I realized I would never have the opportunity for a normal relationship with him.

It's simply mindblowing what these leeches want everyone to believe. Why would anyone be interested in a normal relationship with someone who abused him 100 times?

When I saw the story (Robson), the nagging feat of exposure again reared up in me and I thought "Oh no now I'm exposed!"

Why would he think that just because Robson sued the Estate he was "exposed"? Robson didn't even mention his name anywhere in his complaint or in his interview.


I did not have an epiphany pr "aha!" moment after seeing Wade's story, but I began thinking for the first time that I needed to seek
psychiatric help.


Didn't Marzano use this exact same language with regard to Robson? That he didn't have an aha moment?
Why did he start to think he needed help after seeing Robson's lawsuit when he said he took Xanax during his wife's pregnancy and had panic attacks in the past?

Much more likely that he saw Robson may make millions with those claims so he thought I should try it myself.

Until I began therapy I didn't realize how sick it was that decedent had done the things he did to me as a child.


Jesus Christ, another one pretending to be a retard. At age 30 he didn't understand that sex with kids was sick. He totally needed someone to explain that to him. Somehow he didn't realize that it was sick even though he believed Gavin Arvizo was a victim. A victim of what? Something that was not sick but expression of love?
 
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I'm surprised he hadn't filed bankruptcy yet :bored:

he seems to have discovered that he can't make any serious money in Hawaii, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him return to the mainland with his family, after the court cases are finished.

Websites about costs of living in Hawaii make for interesting reading (it sounds expensive!). And the cost of travelling anywhere else for work, holiday or visiting relatives isn't cheap either. Sounds like living there is a money-pit, unless you are independently wealthy (or have more than one job).

http://www.aimforawesome.com/hawaii/moving-to-hawaii/hawaiis-high-cost-of-living/
 
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^ Yeah, a friend told me it's a very expensive place to live in. I don't know why he went there of all places.
 
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His wife is from there. Plus I bet you he was thinking he would have millions to live off.
 
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^ Yeah, a friend told me it's a very expensive place to live in. I don't know why he went there of all places.

He got 800 000 or so for his condo. I wonder who paid for it given the curious timing of the whole thing.
 
myosotis;4096864 said:
he seems to have discovered that he can't make any serious money in Hawaii, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him return to the mainland with his family, after the court cases are finished.

Websites about costs of living in Hawaii make for interesting reading (it sounds expensive!). And the cost of travelling anywhere else for work, holiday or visiting relatives isn't cheap either. Sounds like living there is a money-pit, unless you are independently wealthy (or have more than one job).

http://www.aimforawesome.com/hawaii/moving-to-hawaii/hawaiis-high-cost-of-living/

I was just thinking about whether life in Hawaii more or less expensive than in Santa Monica. I made a little research about his old home that he sold in May 2013. He bought it in 2005 for $905,000 and sold it for $825,000 in 2013. You can see a couple of photos of it here: https://www.redfin.com/CA/Santa-Monica/925-14th-St-90403/unit-16/home/6772367 . It's him because in the pic about the children's room with the crib you can see "Koa" written on the wall which is his son's name. His property tax was $9,226.57 according to this site: http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/taxes/by_development/8882-925-14th-st

Anyway $825,000 is a lot of money to me (probably would set me for life, LOL) but in luxury neighbourhoods like Santa Monica or Hawaii it can probably flow away very quickly. Not to mention he needed to buy a new home in Hawaii, new furniture, new life, might have had to pay debts and other costs etc. So with his lifestyle it can go away quickly IMO.

From the article you linked:

In 2006 the average single family home in Hawaii was $625K.

Want to know the big reason prices are so high?

Demand. There are many people who are willing to pay $600-900K USD for a regular sized home on Oahu or Maui. In most cases they are moving from Japan or California and have sold their home there – and received about the same amount. It’s a rather affordable move for them.

So he probably paid out about the same amount of money for buying their new home in Hawaii as for what he sold their old one in California. So I guess not much is left of that money.

ETA: What does "tenancy-in-common sale" mean?

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

such a nice warm house for people who are so cold.
 
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I was just thinking about whether life in Hawaii more or less expensive than in Santa Monica. I made a little research about his old home that he sold in May 2013. He bought it in 2005 for $905,000 and sold it for $825,000 in 2013. You can see a couple of photos of it here: https://www.redfin.com/CA/Santa-Monica/925-14th-St-90403/unit-16/home/6772367 . It's him because in the pic about the children's room with the crib you can see "Koa" written on the wall which is his son's name. His property tax was $9,226.57 according to this site: http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/taxes/by_development/8882-925-14th-st

Anyway $825,000 is a lot of money to me (probably would set me for life, LOL) but in luxury neighbourhoods like Santa Monica or Hawaii it can probably flow away very quickly. Not to mention he needed to buy a new home in Hawaii, new furniture, new life, might have had to pay debts and other costs etc. So with his lifestyle it can go away quickly IMO.

From the article you linked:





So he probably paid out about the same amount of money for buying their new home in Hawaii as for what he sold their old one in California. So I guess not much is left of that money.

ETA: What does "tenancy-in-common sale" mean?

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Didn't his wife have a home in Hawaii? I thought she was living there.
Anyway, how has Robson made a living since 2012? Has he done anything which someone paid for at all?
 
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Didn't his wife have a home in Hawaii? I thought she was living there.

How should we know if his wife had a home in Hawaii? That she is from there does not necessarily mean that she had a home there all those years while she and her husband lived in California.
 
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And what does this mean? that the hearing has been delayed? Why?

no it means it would be earlier than we thought. previous document showed safechuck hearing date as July 21. The most recent shows as July 8th. 2 weeks early.
 
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[h=1]Tenancy in Common[/h] Tenancy in common is a type of shared ownership of property, where each owner owns a share of the property. Unlike in a joint tenancy, these shares can be of unequal size, and can be freely transfered to other owners both during life and via a will. Even if owners own unequal shares, however, all owners have the right to occupy and use all of the property. If A and B own a house as tenants in common, there is no problem if A owns 1/3 of the house and B owns 2/3, and no problem if A decides to sell his share to C.




https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/tenancy_in_common
 
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no it means it would be earlier than we thought. previous document showed safechuck hearing date as July 21. The most recent shows as July 8th. 2 weeks early.

And who submitted the latest document? The Estate or Safechuck? Sorry I don't fully understand the process here.
 
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Tenancy in Common

Tenancy in common is a type of shared ownership of property, where each owner owns a share of the property. Unlike in a joint tenancy, these shares can be of unequal size, and can be freely transfered to other owners both during life and via a will. Even if owners own unequal shares, however, all owners have the right to occupy and use all of the property. If A and B own a house as tenants in common, there is no problem if A owns 1/3 of the house and B owns 2/3, and no problem if A decides to sell his share to C.




https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/tenancy_in_common

My understanding it means he was not 100% owner of that house. He had a portion and he sold it. So he did not really get the whole $ 827,000 for himself.
 
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My understanding it means he was not 100% owner of that house. He had a portion and he sold it. So he did not really get the whole $ 827,000 for himself.


Maybe he and his wife co-owned it.
 
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I was just thinking about whether life in Hawaii more or less expensive than in Santa Monica. I made a little research about his old home that he sold in May 2013. He bought it in 2005 for $905,000 and sold it for $825,000 in 2013. You can see a couple of photos of it here: https://www.redfin.com/CA/Santa-Monica/925-14th-St-90403/unit-16/home/6772367 . It's him because in the pic about the children's room with the crib you can see "Koa" written on the wall which is his son's name. His property tax was $9,226.57 according to this site: http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/taxes/by_development/8882-925-14th-st

Anyway $825,000 is a lot of money to me (probably would set me for life, LOL) but in luxury neighbourhoods like Santa Monica or Hawaii it can probably flow away very quickly. Not to mention he needed to buy a new home in Hawaii, new furniture, new life, might have had to pay debts and other costs etc. So with his lifestyle it can go away quickly IMO.

That's interesting....so he made quite a loss on that property over the 8-9 years he was there. Whether originally bought outright or on a mortgage, that's quite a lot to lose! I suppose the financial crash affected a lot of properties.
I guess if you are living in Santa Monica you are probably also earning in relation to 'Santa Monica' salaries, and it would be difficult to give up that standard of living. it would also be hard to go back to 'Santa Monica' or a similar lifestyle, if you can't get back on the same salary scale. Sounds like he's made a HUGE miscalculation.
 
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I was just thinking about whether life in Hawaii more or less expensive than in Santa Monica. I made a little research about his old home that he sold in May 2013. He bought it in 2005 for $905,000 and sold it for $825,000 in 2013. You can see a couple of photos of it here: https://www.redfin.com/CA/Santa-Monica/925-14th-St-90403/unit-16/home/6772367 . It's him because in the pic about the children's room with the crib you can see "Koa" written on the wall which is his son's name. His property tax was $9,226.57 according to this site: http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/taxes/by_development/8882-925-14th-st

Tacky and tasteless, just like the (ex-)owner.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the judge overrules the demurrer would that set a new precedent given that Robson couldn't cite a single case on his complaint where the demurrer was overruled?
It seems to me that Robsons wants the judge to interpret (b)(2) in a way that has not been interpreted by any court in California before.
Am I wrong?
 
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I guess no word from the court today?
 
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06/30/2015 at 08:30 am in Department 51, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Hearing on Demurrer (to Third Amended Complaint;) - Matter continued

07/20/2015 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Hearing on Demurrer
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So what does that mean? No decision but there will be another hearing on the demurrer on July 20?
 
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