[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

are the companies paying him for his services, aka big lots, mattel...etc ?

Like I said that Xact-Serius ad seems to be an old one that he did many, many years ago. So I don't think they currently pay him, he just uploaded it as reference. So it seems so far currently he's been only shooting videos for local, small Hawaii organizations.
Shooting videos for small Hawaii organizations that are watched only by a handful of people on YouTube and Vimeo is certainly not a big career and will be not enough on the long term for him to sustain the finances of his family. But hey maybe he can get those useful idiots at Robson Allies donate to him. LOL.

His cousin claimed the "indoctrination" into the entertainment industry was JUST like the "indoctrination" into child molestation, which is why he mentioned it in depth and why it scarred him so much!

But now he's back and fully capable of doing any old work involving all of it.

AMAZING.

Yes. When you read his complaint it's such a central element of it that his breakdown was triggered by the kicking in of the "Spielberg prophecy" when he was invited to do that movie and how movies, film, dance, entertainment is so attached to MJ in his mind that he cannot do any of those any more and needs to be compensated bla-bla-bla. And now when half of his case is already dismissed he is suddenly looking for the type of jobs that he claimed were triggers for his breakdown. He says he would prefer to work with dance companies, he would prefer to do something artistic. So he's absolutely looking for doing the same things that he did before his breakdown. I wish I could predict the lottery numbers as much as surely this "miraculous healing" was coming. LOL.

ETA:

You'd think a celeb like this would have loads of friends to call upon but instead is his sister is out begging for work handouts...

Good point. With the the amount of connections he and his family has in the industry through past works, it's an interesting sight that now he and his sister beg for job opportunities for him on Facebook.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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The Britney thing - you know if this ever went to court, the estate would drag every lie and betrayal and bad thing he's ever done through the legal system.

It seemed like even before these claims, Wade had trouble with getting work from a lot of people. You'd think a celeb like this would have loads of friends to call upon but instead is his sister is out begging for work handouts...

I agree. Funny because with all the settlement talk people forgot this bad publicity can backfire. Wade has a lot of skeletons in the closet and since the Robsons can't shut up for like one second many of their dirty laundry can be exposed easily. Wade should be the first to worry about the bad publicity, not just the Estate. The Arvizos had it bad and if this thing goes to trial, he should expect it to be worse with this celebrity connection he used to have.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, weren't his major successes in 1999-2009? I wasn't following any pop stars back then, but I knew about Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake and Wade was the choreographer-and it was written about a lot. And I know he had that big Wade Robson Project show on MTV around 2002.

I meant to reference the 2000's, not sure how I managed to put the '80's. :smilerolleyes: But most of his successes were pre Michael's passing. Since then his career hasn't really gone anywhere.
Yeah, the entertainment industry isn't exactly honourable in a lot of their associations, but Wade isn't exactly trustworthy now either. If he turned on Michael so viciously whats to stop him from suing anyone else later on for any reason. Not saying he would but that maybe in the back of their minds. Only time will tell I guess. Personally I hope he sinks like a rock.
You know I still haven't seen him in Black or White or Jam. But as you said, I don't really focus on anyone else but Michael.

 

[HIStory]

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I know which one he is in Jam and Black or White, but supposedly he is also in Heal The World. I could never spot him in that video.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is he? Hmmmm...Doesn't exactly stand out now does he?

 

[gerryevans]

WR has just so messed up his career. In the dance community, he genuinely was one of its stars, and it is true that he dropped out of the director job for the Step Up Revolution movie. The picture grossed worldwide $140 million. He says he dropped out because of a breakdown. Instead of dealing with whatever issues really caused it, be it drugs, stress, bipolar, whatever, he CHOSE to lie and make it about MJ. That was a conscious choice he made that backfired.

When I think of Robert Downey and how he came back from addiction, public embarrassments, and jail, it shows decision makers will forgive the talented. I know Downey and WR are in different aspects of the business, but they share that they were highly regarded talents in their respective fields.

Robert Downey emerged from all his troubles because the contacts he’d made in the business were willing to give him a chance. If WR and his sister have to go about getting him work this way, it suggests decision makers don’t care about giving him that chance, that he perhaps burned bridges that people have no interest in repairing, which probably has nothing to do with the major bridge he burned with the estate of a man who only helped him.

I know WR made the allegations for cash, but I believe he did it for lots of sympathy too. I think he blew some important relationships, and hoped by attributing his behavior to one of the most traumatic acts a person can survive, he thought people would feel sufficiently sorry for him to overlook his past bad behavior. It was a stupid, stupid move, that now he’s going to have to deal with for the rest of his stupid life.

 

[Annita]

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Wasn`t Vincent Patterson still hanging up wiht Robson not so long ago? Well, hopefully Patterson did cut his connection with him.

 

[barbee0715]

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Wasn`t Vincent Patterson still hanging up wiht Robson not so long ago? Well, hopefully Patterson did cut his connection with him.

Ewww.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Wasn`t Vincent Patterson still hanging up wiht Robson not so long ago? Well, hopefully Patterson did cut his connection with him.

Doesn't look like Paterson's career is thriving either.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

All he does is whine about people stealing his moves

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wasn`t Vincent Patterson still hanging up wiht Robson not so long ago? Well, hopefully Patterson did cut his connection with him.

He believes in MJ's message of "LOVE" that's why he was still friend with Robson. If only stupidity was a crime.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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He believes in MJ's message of "LOVE" that's why he was still friend with Robson. If only stupidity was a crime.

This BS is used too often as an excuse for being friends with Michael's worst enemies. I've seen it before.

 

[barbee0715]

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I know which one he is in Jam and Black or White, but supposedly he is also in Heal The World. I could never spot him in that video.

He's wearing a yellow hat.

HA!! I'm just kidding-I don't think he's in it. I've seen him mention he is, but I doubt it.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know that when So You Think You Can Dance paid tribute to Michael, Wade and Paterson we both probably bitching

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Edit edit

 

[TinnyandOdd]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It was my understanding that he was fired from SYTYCD? I've followed the show since it started, and have previously mentioned that I was actually a big fan of his work on the show at the time, but I remember it may have been Nigel or Mia (who left in 2009) sort of side step the issue that said he essentially had been asked not to return but that they were contractually obligated not to talk about it, and that's why anything associated with him when he left the show simply vanished. This was before his MJ accusations (his last season was 7 which was aired in 2010), but I personally think he had probably started running his mouth already, and being a dance show and right at the moment when MJ was gaining positive traction again in the public, they didn't want the possibility of bad press, so they sacked him.

 

[barbee0715]

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It was my understanding that he was fired from SYTYCD? I've followed the show since it started, and have previously mentioned that I was actually a big fan of his work on the show at the time, but I remember it may have been Nigel or Mia (who left in 2009) sort of side step the issue that said he essentially had been asked not to return but that they were contractually obligated not to talk about it, and that's why anything associated with him when he left the show simply vanished. This was before his MJ accusations (his last season was 7 which was aired in 2010), but I personally think he had probably started running his mouth already, and being a dance show and right at the moment when MJ was gaining positive traction again in the public, they didn't want the possibility of bad press, so they sacked him.

Hmm-I knew he was gone before this case, but I had assumed it was because of the movie stuff. Maybe he started throwing his Emmy winning ego around and acting up as in the past-so they fired him!

 

[Tygger]

We shall see how Robson's financial outlook effects his legal team's future services if he is indeed funding the team.

When I think of Robert Downey and how he came back from addiction, public embarrassments, and jail, it shows decision makers will forgive the talented. I know Downey and WR are in different aspects of the business, but they share that they were highly regarded talents in their respective fields.

Robert Downey emerged from all his troubles because the contacts he’d made in the business were willing to give him a chance.

I understand your point however; Downey, Sr. was quite helpful.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This was before his MJ accusations (his last season was 7 which was aired in 2010), but I personally think he had probably started running his mouth already, and being a dance show and right at the moment when MJ was gaining positive traction again in the public, they didn't want the possibility of bad press, so they sacked him.

You mean he started to run his mouth about accusing MJ in 2010? No, that's not likely. He claims he never mentioned these allegations to anyone before May 2012 when he went into therapy. And we have no reason to believe he made these allegations to anyone before 2012. In 2011 he was still trying to work with the Estate on a Cirque project. A couple of months after that fell through he first came up with his allegations.

But it's interesting if he was fired from SYTYCD. I think he has a familial mental illness (his father was bipolar and committed suicide, his cousin from his father's side was clinically deppressed and currently committed suicide as well) which made him have trouble in work in these past years. It seems he's been entering projects and then suddenly left them before they even started on several occasions in the past years. That was the case with a Britney Spears tour, with the Step Up movie etc. But instead of addressing his mental problems in a proper way he decided to drag Michael into it because that would bring the money. Of course if you say you are bipolar or you are clinically depressed or anything like that it's unfortunate but no one is going to pay you money for that. So he decided that if he is going to be be sidelined by a mental illness (and declining career) at least he is going to make money of it to secure his and his family's financial future. Enter false child abuse allegations against MJ. His mental illness is no excuse for his lies and behaviour though. There are many mentally ill people who remain people with integrity. The path Robson chose is simply morally corrupt and evil.

 

[la_cienega]

I know WR made the allegations for cash, but I believe he did it for lots of sympathy too. I think he blew some important relationships, and hoped by attributing his behavior to one of the most traumatic acts a person can survive, he thought people would feel sufficiently sorry for him to overlook his past bad behavior. It was a stupid, stupid move, that now he’s going to have to deal with for the rest of his stupid life.

I hadn't thought about that.

It would be a good thing to use to go, "Remember all those times I was a dick in the past? Well, here's a convenient excuse I can use that you can't judge me for! We have to believe all victims are real and sympathize with them, so if you don't act sympathetic to me, then you're a bad person!"

He definitely had career problems and issues before all this breakdown stuff. Ruining his ties with Justin Timberlake by sleeping with Britney. Dropping out of productions and things to the point that he wasn't sure how the estate would be able to convince people to take him on with the One project.

It's REALLY interesting though, because this shows he's BROKE! Remember how he claimed it wasn't for the money and that he had enough saved away to TMZ 2 years ago? And now his sister is begging people for them to hire him in any capacity, even though doing so would jeopardize his mental health as it would trigger more breakdowns related to the abuse?

I really really hope he continues to draw this out legally, I hope this goes on back and forth for at least another 2 years. Even longer maybe!

I want him to be as broke as possible when it's over and the estate hasn't given him a dime.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hadn't thought about that.

It would be a good thing to use to go, "Remember all those times I was a dick in the past? Well, here's a convenient excuse I can use that you can't judge me for! We have to believe all victims are real and sympathize with them, so if you don't act sympathetic to me, then you're a bad person!"

Not only that, but I am thinking about his pride too. Maybe it also has to do with pride that he wants to blame his mental illness on someone outside of himself and his family. Who knows? But mainly it's the money that motivates him IMO.

It's REALLY interesting though, because this shows he's BROKE! Remember how he claimed it wasn't for the money and that he had enough saved away to TMZ 2 years ago?

I remember an article at the very beginning of this case (I think it was on RadarOnline). And they cited a source close to him saying that Wade does have his reserves but it also mentioned that there were lawsuits pending against him for breaking contracts. Does anyone else remember it? The source was not named but it seemed to be someone in support of him, so I am wondering if it was his cousin.

ETA: I found it. It was on TMZ. May 9, 2013:

Wade Robson
Nervous Breakdown Triggered
Molestation Memories


Wade Robson -- the famous choreographer who now claims Michael Jackson molested him for 7 years -- had a complete nervous breakdown in March, 2011 ... and that opened Pandora's box ... sources close to the Robson family tell TMZ.

Multiple sources tell us ... Robson had anxiety that was building during most of 2010 ... and it exploded in March, 2011. He had a debilitating nervous breakdown that pushed him into complete seclusion and torpedoed his career.

We're told after the breakdown, Robson was unable to work -- to fulfill his commitments. He had a number of contracts that he ended up breaching, including his promise to write 3 songs. Our sources say he lost "a ton of money" and has earned almost nothing since.

Sources tell us after the breakdown, Robson went to a psychotherapist for several weeks ... and that's all it took for the floodgates to open. Robson then told his family Michael Jackson had molested him from ages 7 to 14.

Our sources say shortly after Robson revealed his secret ... he told friends and family he planned to file a lawsuit against the MJ Estate.

As for his motivation ... Robson family sources tell TMZ ... although he's not making any money, he has "substantial savings."

Actually I realize that TMZ called it back then:

Our sources say shortly after Robson revealed his secret ... he told friends and family he planned to file a lawsuit against the MJ Estate.

I wonder if this is how the Estate learnt about that September 7, 2012 e-mail by Robson. Through some relatvie or friend who could not shut his mouth and felt the need to run to TMZ with this information. LOL.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is it possible to find the lawsuits against Wade at the time?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is it possible to find the lawsuits against Wade at the time?

Well, it does not actually say there were lawsuits, it just says he breached contracts and lost tons of money. Which could mean there were lawsuits or there were some sort of settlements of legal disputes or something. I am sure if there are lawsuits or settlements which reached the court system then the Estate can track those down.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Right, thanks.

I hope it won't take the judge a whole month to make a decison about this one too. I think the Estate did a good job with their last opposition. Wade's lawyers claimed the Estate's arguments were irrelevant but that was pretty much pot calling the kettle black really. I hope Beckloff will make another right decision because I see no reason for it to continue, even though I'm confident Wade is going to embarrass himself in Summary Judgement because he has nothing.

Is it possible that the judge will make a decision after tomorrow's hearing? Does the July 13 hearing have to take place no matter what?

 

[ivy]

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Is it possible to find the lawsuits against Wade at the time?

does anyone know where he used to live? the city? if we do I can check the courts to see if any lawsuit was filed against him. Contract cases are handled by superior courts but every city has their own superior court.

even if he breached the contracts , if he paid back the allowances etc. there wouldn't be any lawsuits.

Is it possible that the judge will make a decision after tomorrow's hearing? Does the July 13 hearing have to take place no matter what?

he can make it on the spot , or take days, weeks, months. I imagine if he dismisses it, he would take his time to write the decision as he did in probate cases. If he gives robson another chance to amend , that decision can come quicker IMO. If he dismisses the case for good then there is no need for any subpoena or hearing. But will he have a decision before July 13 is the question?

 

[HIStory]

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does anyone know where he used to live? the city? if we do I can check the courts to see if any lawsuit was filed against him. Contract cases are handled by superior courts but every city has their own superior court.

even if he breached the contracts , if he paid back the allowances etc. there wouldn't be any lawsuits.

One of his companies "Light Tree Productions" was based in Encino. I think Wajero too before it moved to Hawaii, but I am not sure. I don't know if his home was also in Encino, but I think it's possible.

ETA: http://www.californiacorporates.com/corp/246720.html

Address

16830 VENTURA BL #501, ENCINO, CA 91436

Agent Information

WADE ROBSON 925 14TH ST #16, SANTA MONICA, CA 90403

Light Tree Productions filed as a Articles of Incorporation in the State of California on Friday, August 29, 2003 and is approximately twelve years old, as recorded in documents filed with California Secretary of State. The filing is currently active as of the last data refresh which occured on Sunday, June 22, 2014.[h=4]Key People[/h]Wade Robson serves as the President

Wade Robson is also the registered agent for the company. Also known as a statutory or resident agent, the registered agent is responsible for receiving legal notifications regarding court summons, lawsuits, and other legal actions involving the corporate entity.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Los-Angeles/light-tree-productions/43991297.aspx

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^

so everything is still under los angeles? let me check LA courts

 

[InvincibleMJ]

does anyone know where he used to live? the city? if we do I can check the courts to see if any lawsuit was filed against him. Contract cases are handled by superior courts but every city has their own superior court.

even if he breached the contracts , if he paid back the allowances etc. there wouldn't be any lawsuits.



he can make it on the spot , or take days, weeks, months. I imagine if he dismisses it, he would take his time to write the decision as he did in probate cases. If he gives robson another chance to amend , that decision can come quicker IMO. If he dismisses the case for good then there is no need for any subpoena or hearing. But will he have a decision before July 13 is the question?

Yes like does he have to wait until July 13 hearing before making any kind of decision, but from the bolded part I understand that he doesn't.

I see the fans know how much he asked for the house and how much he got for it - has TMZ reported these details?

March 21 – Wade Robson puts his house up for sale for 789K
April 29 – contract pending date for Wade’s property
April 30 – recording date of the contract for Wade’s property
May 1 – Wade Robson files his claim against the estate
May 7 – allegations go public
May 8 – sells his LA house for $825K, which is $36K more than the asking price.

 

[HIStory]

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I don't know if it is still in LA. I know that Wajero Entertainment, his other company is not. It's now taken to Hawaii. But this is its old data:

Company Name	WAJERO ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
Company No	C2232638
Business Type	Domestic Stock
Status	Active
Incorporation Date	5/4/2000
Jurisdiction	CA
Agent Information	GARY HABER %HABER CORPORATION 16830 VENTURA BLVD, _#501 ENCINO, CA 91436

WAJERO ENTERTAINMENT, INC. is a company incorporated in California and its company number is C2232638. WAJERO ENTERTAINMENT, INC. was registered on 5/4/2000. The company's status is listed as Active.

Address

16830 VENTURA BLVD #501, ENCINO, CA 91436

http://www.californiacorporates.com/corp/31391.html

Its current address and data:

AddressPo Box 901338,
Kula Hi 96790
JurisdictionCalifornia
AgentHelen Yu
Agent Address1645 N. Vine, Penthouse 1002,
Los Angeles Ca 90028

http://www.businessescalifornia.com/c/business/wajero-entertainment-inc/C2232638

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm surprised he hadn't filed bankruptcy yet :bored: