[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Look what I found while reading the comments on ABC regarding the sell of Neverland

I dont know maybe someone need to send it to the estate? I took a screenshot


https://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/ZHCi
ZHCi
Can you contact ABC?? It has nothing to do with the sale. Maybe a mod can remove it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do take a little exception to your post
regarding Cosby and I'm surprised you didn't mention Woody Allen since most people throw him in there with the rest.

Honestly in my rant I forgot Woody Allen lol he was on my list. But I didn't want to mention him because I have never really come to a decision either way on my part and I've come across some things that suggest things aren't what they seem. Not saying he's innocent just syaing that we've seen people try to dupe us about Michael and there were some similar things. I've only looked into it once or twice so my recollection is fuzzy.


All Cosby's accusers may come from all walks of life, but they all had big show biz dreams and the casting couch has been around forever. A drug and rape scenario is somewhat hard to believe and a lot of people have been claiming that money is being paid to bring him down. A lot of women could just be jumping on the bandwagon and copying each other's stories. I don't know.

You're right, and I wasn't more clear that the Cosby case is mostly ambiguous.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I dont care how old he is. I was here during the 2005 trial and I know for sure that beside Chandler and Blanca there was no settlement. The estate need to be aware of this. Any links?

Yes, of course there was no other settlement. I wanted to send you a PM with an e-mail address to the online team but it says your inbox is full. Please clear it and I will send you the e-mail address.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, of course there was no other settlement. I wanted to send you a PM with an e-mail address to the online team but it says your inbox is full. Please clear it and I will send you the e-mail address.
Thank you respect . I cleared my inbox.
 
Soundmind;4091904 said:
Thank you respect . I cleared my inbox.

It still says to me: "Soundmind has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

Those two fools are just common Internet trolls. And this seems to be their modus operandi. Kyle publicly asks something of the other guy which starts a conversation between them where they can act like they have personally to do with the situation described in the article. It seems to me they did the same about that Blue Peak High story:

Kyle Douglas M Jason, why did you and your staff chose to leave this girl out of the yearbook? The media is really upset over this.
Like · Reply · 3 · 5 mins

Jason Charles Swingle Frankly we wanted to show the beauty of the school with our pictures. And having a droolers picture in a yearbook doesn’t necessarily do that.
Like · 1 · 2 mins

http://wgntv.com/2015/05/18/mom-says-daughter-with-special-needs-excluded-from-yearbook/

I don't think they actually have anything to do with the school and the story.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson is making a complete mockery of legitimate, actual, true survivors of sexual abuse.

Yes, I agree with this. People need to understand that false allegations of child abuse do happen. Especially when money is involved. And in the allegations against MJ money was ALWAYS involved. And people also need to understand that when false allegations of child abuse happen that is not only a crime against the falsely accused person but also against genuine victims. How cynical one has to be to go to survivor groups with genuine victims to whom this is a huge trauma and a very serious problem and act like you are one of them just to use this to get rich on their back? This is, in effect, further victimizing them.

Unlike things like grief/loss which can be a very individual, subjective experience, those who deal with post-trauma following sexual abuse will exhibit certain behaviors. Wade's "epiphany" would only make sense if he were actually still with Michael full-time.

Yes, exactly. Wade claims very brutal acts, there is no way those would not have had signs (both physical and psychological) when he was a child. Instead he wants us to believe he thought he was OK with it until he was 30. :smilerolleyes: Indeed he makes a mockery of real victims.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Those two fools are just common Internet trolls. And this seems to be their modus operandi. Kyle publicly asks something of the other guy which starts a conversation between them where they can act like they have personally to do with the situation described in the article. It seems to me they did the same about that Blue Peak High story:

I don't think they actually have anything to do with the school and the story.
Total losers. Anyone can see through this stuff. I used to see this kind of junk on YouTube and CNN comments.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, I agree with this. People need to understand that false allegations of child abuse do happen. Especially when money is involved. And in the allegations against MJ money was ALWAYS involved. And people also need to understand that when false allegations of child abuse happen that is not only a crime against the falsely accused person but also against genuine victims. How cynical one has to be to go to survivor groups with genuine victims to whom this is a huge trauma and a very serious problem and act like you are one of them just to use this to get rich on their back? This is, in effect, further victimizing them. Wade claims very brutal acts, there is no way those would not have had signs (both physical and psychological) when he was a child. Instead he wants us to believe he thought he was OK with it until he was 30. :smilerolleyes: Indeed he makes a mockery of real victims.
This is nothing new. A mother faked that her kid had cancer and shave the girls head and had her attending cancer events and collecting money from donations for years. She received over $100,000 or more. Conartist do NOT care just like Thieves do not care just as long as they get what they want. Look at people who befriend you in order to steal your identity. No different.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree with you about real victims of abuse. I'd kill anyone who would hurt my little brother or sister or any of my children, if I'd had children. Honestly.

I do take a little exception to your post
regarding Cosby and I'm surprised you didn't mention Woody Allen since most people throw him in there with the rest.

All Cosby's accusers may come from all walks of life, but they all had big show biz dreams and the casting couch has been around forever. A drug and rape scenario is somewhat hard to believe and a lot of people have been claiming that money is being paid to bring him down. A lot of women could just be jumping on the bandwagon and copying each other's stories. I don't know.

But there's no proof and he denies it.
And again this might be yet another case that hurts real victims.
I agree. I think in the Cosby case that he slept with most of those women in CHEATING but he did not rape them and some jump on a bandwagon. There is a reason why this amount of women did not say nothing. Most people who keep quiet about ONE person who rapes is because they DO NOT KNOW the man and he is UNKNOWN. Cosby is famous and these women want me to think ALL of them just sat back and let a man walk?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I chuckled everytime judge wrote "Robson is not claiming repressed memory". :) perhaps he should have :p
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Do you all think we'll have to wait to end of June to get the Safechuck ruling?? Looks like the judge wouldn't have much more to do on that one-just use the one he issued and change a little material.

Hopefully they're getting that one ready to go ASAP.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Do you all think we'll have to wait to end of June to get the Safechuck ruling?? Looks like the judge wouldn't have much more to do on that one-just use the one he issued and change a little material.

Hopefully they're getting that one ready to go ASAP.

The Safechuck hearing is on July 21. And that is not a summary judgement hearing but a hearing on the demurrer. So it's not the same thing in terms of legal process. (Even though the arguments against Safechuck will be probably very similar at one point.)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The Safechuck hearing is on July 21. And that is not a summary judgement hearing but a hearing on the demurrer. So it's not the same thing in terms of legal process. (Even though the arguments against Safechuck will be probably very similar at one point.)

My birthday. I'd like a nice gift.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't think there will be a decision on the same day.

Oh I know. Thinking more along the lines of a targeted meteor strike. Kidding. Sorta.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh I know. Thinking more along the lines of a targeted meteor strike. Kidding. Sorta.

Maybe Michael can arrange one. :) (Also kidding, sort of).
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As sick as this all is I can't help but laugh seeing Wade get called out on his false claims. Too bad buddy!
 
Soundmind;4091895 said:
I dont care how old he is. I was here during the 2005 trial and I know for sure that beside Chandler and Blanca there was no settlement. The estate need to be aware of this. Any links?

Good luck and I appreciate your effort.

I know some may find the following statements to be anti-Estate; however, they are not. Tis facts:

If you find that Michael’s image/likeness is being used unlawfully and particularly for profit, the Estate will act.

If you find slander and/or libel against Michael’s character, the Estate will not act. The dead cannot be defamed.

If however, you pursue a complaint and successfully lodge one, the Estate may thwart your efforts. (Remember the Estate’s reaction to the UKPCC complaint.)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So we are back to waiting mode again - June 30 2015.

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It still says to me: "Soundmind has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

Those two fools are just common Internet trolls. And this seems to be their modus operandi. Kyle publicly asks something of the other guy which starts a conversation between them where they can act like they have personally to do with the situation described in the article. It seems to me they did the same about that Blue Peak High story:



http://wgntv.com/2015/05/18/mom-says-daughter-with-special-needs-excluded-from-yearbook/

I don't think they actually have anything to do with the school and the story.


Someone should show these two bozos to Jim Clemente. Just more evidence that boys and men DO lie about being molested by men. Some of them do it for money some just for the hell of it.
Like Joe Bartucci or Terry George.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Now TMezz and WW can stop speculating about settlement.

It will be intresting to hear Meseraus next statement about the case, but I think he will go on with his settlement-talk in civil-case etc.

We will see.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So we are back to waiting mode again - June 30 2015.

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yep, hopefully some documents will be available and we will have a little more info about the arguments from both sides
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It will be intresting to hear Meseraus next statement about the case, but I think he will go on with his settlement-talk in civil-case etc.

We will see.
Tom may be too busy to comment anymore. Surge Knight just hired him for his murder case.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tom may be too busy to comment anymore. Surge Knight just hired him for his murder case.

That may be the best. He is still anounced to be on King Jordan Radio on June 13th.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan-king


10 year anniversary of MJ being found Not Guilty Special Show

At approximately 2:25 pm PST on June 13, 2005, the jury of the Superior Court of the State of California, held in and for the County of Santa Barbara, determined that Jackson was not guilty on all 10 felony and all 4 misdemeanor charges.This was a 5 month Trial of charging The Late Pop Icon of Sexual Content with a 13 year old & Gavin & His Family turned out to be Giant Scammers Thanks Defense Attorney 10 years ago Tom Mesereau led MJ to a not guilty 14 times! We will have a show to honor This w/Tom Mesereau,2 BodyGuards of MJ, Geraldine Hughes.&William Wagner
 
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We will have a show to honor This w/Tom Mesereau,2 BodyGuards of MJ, Geraldine Hughes.&William Wagner

That William Wagener dude...he's cool and all, and I think it's awesome the stuff he uncovers, but holy crap he's like Karen Faye crazy to me. But I've only seen a bit of his stuff. Someone please sway me?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That William Wagener dude...he's cool and all, and I think it's awesome the stuff he uncovers, but holy crap he's like Karen Faye crazy to me. But I've only seen a bit of his stuff. Someone please sway me?

Wagener is a conspiracy nutjob. He's also taken advantage of fans.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's the impression I got of him. The low production value of the stuff he puts out, ugh.

What has he done to swindle fans?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Taking their money to make documentary or something like that about indicting Sneddon but he took their money, that's a fact.

To add and correct. Wagener was asking MJ fans to "donate" him $10 each to produce a documentary defending Michael in 2010. Larry Nimmer and Aphrodite Jones did a good job IMO. Why on earth would he need to produce another one?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did anyone read Aphrodite Jones's book?
Are there any pictures in it?
 
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