[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Now that the judge has thrown wade for a loop I'm sure he feels like shit and I couldn't be happier.



Don't celebrate yet. this is not over. They really believe their case against the companies will be allowed.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think I may have commented one time since the judge made his ruling because I just didn't feel like it. But now that I've had a few days I will say this. I was thinking back to the day the story broke May 7th 2013 I wasn't sad I was however, pissed off. That he would even try something so low down. When I saw him on the Today show he looked like a straight up bum, I was thinking what in hell happened to him? Now that the judge has thrown wade for a loop I'm sure he feels like shit and I couldn't be happier. I hope this is just the beginning for him. I hope his whole world falls down on him and his bitch sister.

I hope he feels like crap, at least he should. But thing is with sociopaths that even when they are in the wrong, even when they are the ones making up lies they are so entitled, that he is probably just feeling sorry for himself not for what he has done. People like him do not have a conscience, otherwise he would not have pulled this in the first place. But yeah, in whatever way he is capable of feeling like crap I hope he feels that.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't celebrate yet. this is not over. They really believe their case against the companies will be allowed.

Don't tell me what to do if I want to hope Wade jumps out of a window I will do that:angel:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't celebrate yet. this is not over. They really believe their case against the companies will be allowed.

I don't see how... There was no one in MJ's companies who knew of any abuse because there was never any abuse.. Wade himself claimed he didn't know he was abused until 2013 so how the heck would MJ's companies know of any in 1990?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't celebrate yet. this is not over. They really believe their case against the companies will be allowed.

They really believed in their case against MJ and The MJ Estate, too.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And like Ivy said I do find it strange that Tmz is not only not talking about it but they were not the ones who broke the story. It's like they want nothing to do with it
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't see how... There was no one in MJ's companies who knew of any abuse because there was never any abuse.. Wade himself claimed he didn't know he was abused until 2013 so how the heck would MJ's companies know of any in 1990?

In her statement Marzano made it seem like the civil process will definitely end up in a trial, but that is just the usual posturing from her IMO. She knows that there too they have a high mountain to climb. Moreover as I read that statement it felt like yet another publicity threat: "we are confident that when all the facts are presented in civil court, there will be no doubt left about just what kind of sexual predator Michael Jackson was." I think they still hold on to a little hope on being able to blackmail the Estate into a settlement by threatening with bad publicity. Robson's lawyers have always gone out their way in calling Michael all kind of inflammatory names in public: "monster", "predator" etc. That's part of their game of trying to put publicity pressure on the Estate by smearing MJ.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And like Ivy said I do find it strange that Tmz is not only not talking about it but they were not the ones who broke the story. It's like they want nothing to do with it

Yep, the story about Alejandra and her children was more interesting to them. LOL.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And like Ivy said I do find it strange that Tmz is not only not talking about it but they were not the ones who broke the story. It's like they want nothing to do with it

Just a thought - maybe they are waiting for the dismissal of the entire civil case?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In her statement Marzano made it seem like the civil process will definitely end up in a trial, but that is just the usual posturing from her IMO. She knows that there too they have a high mountain to climb. Moreover as I read that statement it felt like yet another publicity threat: "we are confident that when all the facts are presented in civil court, there will be no doubt left about just what kind of sexual predator Michael Jackson was." I think they still hold on to a little hope on being able to blackmail the Estate into a settlement by threatening with bad publicity. Robson's lawyers have always gone out their way in calling Michael all kind of inflammatory names in public: "monster", "predator" etc. That's part of their game of trying to put publicity pressure on the Estate by smearing MJ.


exactly usual posturing from her... The judge basically saw their civil case and said there was no cause of action.. They have no proof whatsoever that MJ's companies fostered any type of abuse.. Once again I am sure a 7 year old Wade was not negotiating with MJ's companies by himself.. where was his Mother?? and I've noticed that Wade's attorneys are intentionally leaving her out.. And also his lawyers never mention his 1993 and 2005 deposition and court room testimony in which he denied anything,.. The judge even mentioned in his ruling Wade's strong denials in 1993 and 2005 and the fact that he has said it's not a case of 'repressed memory'..
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just a thought - maybe they are waiting for the dismissal of the entire civil case?


No this story was tmz' s baby. Wade's lawyer would give statements to tmz and only to tmz.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No this story was tmz' s baby. Wade's lawyer would give statements to tmz and only to tmz.

They really didn't focus on it too much.. I think the reason being Harvey Levin is a lawyer and he is well aware of Wade's 20 years of defending MJ even in a court of law at a 2005 trial.. That's no small thing. Under oath testimony is a big deal for most attorneys.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I still think they duped Levin with repressed memories
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No this story was tmz' s baby. Wade's lawyer would give statements to tmz and only to tmz.

I wouldn't call it TMZ's baby, they weren't supportive of Wade from the start. It's Radar Online's baby.

They really didn't focus on it too much.. I think the reason being Harvey Levin is a lawyer and he is well aware of Wade's 20 years of defending MJ even in a court of law at a 2005 trial.. That's no small thing. Under oath testimony is a big deal for most attorneys.

I'm certain that this is the reason they didn't focus on it. I thought they would be happy to report Wade is losing but maybe they don't want to announce his failure and find out a month later the judge might allow the rest of it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Once again I am sure a 7 year old Wade was not negotiating with MJ's companies by himself.. where was his Mother??

That's so interesting, right? They hardly make any mention of his mother in his court papers. Thing is once they start talking about Joy Robson it will become clear that it was not Michael pressuring them into moving to the US but it was Joy Robson bugging Michael's office for the green cards. Once they start talking about Joy it will become weird to everyone who's reading the story how on Earth they want to hold companies and people working for those companies responsible when they do not hold the mother responsible.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wouldn't call it TMZ's baby, they weren't supportive of Wade from the start. It's Radar Online's baby.

Actually TMZ made some remarks which seemed like they were doubting Robson and were even somewhat sarcastic about his allegations. Something did happen there. The whole thing was broken by TMZ. Initially they were very much on the story, like Justthefacts said, the initial statements made by Robson's lawyers (eg. the "monster" comment) were made to TMZ. Then something happened. TMZ seemed like they started to doubt him and then the pro-Robson camp moved over to RadarOnline and TMZ started to report less about the case to the point of almost totally ignoring it now. I have seen haters advise each other not to read TMZ but RadarOnline. RO is the official Robson mouth piece.
 
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^yup, I noticed this too. Really sad when even TMZ turns against you and think you're full of garbage. Lol.

And Marzano has 3 cases to go. She's not going to give a concession speech yet. I hope Gradstein dumps her when this is over.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Actually TMZ made some remarks which seemed like they were doubting Robson and were even somewhat sarcastic about his allegations. Something did happen there. The whole thing was broken by TMZ. Initially they were very much on the story, like Justthefacts said, the initial statements made by Robson's lawyers (eg. the "monster" comment) were made to TMZ. Then something happened. TMZ seemed like they started to doubt him and then the pro-Robson camp moved over to RadarOnline and TMZ started to report less about the case to the point of almost totally ignoring it now. I have seen haters advise each other not to read TMZ but RadarOnline. RO is the official Robson mouth piece.

Yes I think they're very sarcastic when they're reporting about the lawsuit and their initial excitment (that didn't last long) about what then seemed to be a high rating story doesn't make it their baby. TMZ is still a tabloid that's supposed to get as many hits as possible. They moved on when they realized people don't care for it, like the rest of the media.

This is a week after the news broke:

TMZ Live 5/16/13: Wade Robson -- Something Doesn't Add Up with Wade Robson's Sexual Abuse Claim

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/tmz-l...ie-farrah-abraham-tiger-woods-britney-spears/

May 8th, 2013
Wade Robson



  • Big fat liar

    75%
  • Truthful
    25%
    Total Votes: 275,089
    Wade's motives

    • Money

      88%
    • Justice
      12%
Total Votes: 166,080

Michael Jackson -- pedophile?



  • No
    75%
  • Yes
    25%
Total Votes: 408,114




http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/18/michael-jackson-wade-robson-you-be-the-judge/

They published Ray J's and Omarion's comments (and Alfonso's on their Youtube)

May 8th, 2013

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/08/omarion-michael-jackson-wade-robson-sexual-assault-lawsuit-money/


Do You Believe Robson?




  • No

    93%
  • Yes
    7%
Total Votes: 202,880




May 10th, 2013

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/10/ray-j-michael-jackson-wade-robson-video/

May 15th, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CsSRXoBrcM
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^haha. Poll results are hilarious. And they really thought the estate was going to cave?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From the judgment, the judge has refused to accept all wade's claims that he was psychologically unable and unwilling to acknowledege he had been molested for decades, and that he thought he was in some loving relationship and it was all good and his own idea blah blah. In that case it suggests that the judge wouldn't even accept the claim if it had been filed within 60 days, as he doesn't seem to accept this was a case of 'delayed discovery' because of wade's answers to the interrogs and his depo, unless i'm reading it wrong. The judge writes


I suppose it might be a coincidence, but i'm going to see the announcement of the neverland sale as some really nifty news management by the estate using their influence with colony. The neverland sale has pushed this other news re mj to the margins.


I wonder if it also indicates that the Estate/ Colony are fairly sure that there will be no court proceedings about 'alleged events' in various parts of the property, so there will be no prolonged discussions / descriptions to dissuade interested buyers.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't see how... There was no one in MJ's companies who knew of any abuse because there was never any abuse.. Wade himself claimed he didn't know he was abused until 2013 so how the heck would MJ's companies know of any in 1990?

I only see one way: if the Estate's lawyers are stupid enough not to argue that Robson, his sister and his mother all were adamant that MJ was innocent
So why would the Robsons have changed what they wanted to do with MJ and how could the companies have done anything to
stop the abuse even if it had happened?
MJ didn't need those companies to meet with Robson moreover Robson himself wanted to be with MJ! Nobody forced him to be in Neverland or at the hideout or anywhere with him.



These are the biggest red flags and the Estate never really made those arguments.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They don't have to make those arguments
 
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I only see one way: if the Estate's lawyers are stupid enough not to argue that Robson, his sister and his mother all were adamant that MJ was innocent


These are the biggest red flags and the Estate never really made those arguments.
Castor, you have been highly critical of the Estate's attorneys from the get go and I don't understand why. IMO, They've been pitch perfect so far sticking to the law itself and tearing apart Wade and co's self incriminating claims.
 
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the tide has turned for sure. On every website I visited the vast majority are siding with MJ. I hope Wade is visiting all sites to get an idea of the level of support he is receiving lol

I have always said that MOST people have sided with MJ even before his death but haters and trash talkers always make the headlines.
 
ivy;4091555 said:
Molestation Claim Against Michael Jackson's Estate Dismissed
LOS ANGELES — May 27, 2015, 9:43 PM ET
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY AP Entertainment Writer
Associated Press
A choreographer who accused Michael Jackson of years of molestation cannot pursue his allegations against the singer's estate because he waited too long to file the legal action, a judge ruled.

Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff wrote in his ruling Tuesday that Robson's claim is untimely and should be dismissed.

Robson had previously denied the pop superstar molested him and testified in Jackson's defense at the singer's criminal trial in 2005. Robson also spoke favorably about Jackson after the singer's death in 2009.

However, Robson sued Jackson's estate in May 2013 over the molestation allegations.

Attorneys for Robson said Jackson molested him over a seven-year period. Attorneys for Jackson's estate have denied the allegations.

Robson's attorney Maryann Marzano wrote in a statement that Beckloff's ruling will be appealed, and the molestation claim will be pursued against Jackson's business entities.

Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman praised the ruling and noted Robson's previous testimony about Jackson.

"Mr. Robson testified under oath in a courtroom that Michael never did anything improper with him," Weitzman wrote in an email.

Marzano, however, wrote that her client was incapable of filing his legal action any sooner due to psychological damage he suffered. She also noted that Beckloff's ruling did not make any determination about whether Robson's allegations were factual.

"We are confident that when all the facts are presented in civil court, there will be no doubt left about just what kind of sexual predator Jackson was," Marzano wrote.

Robson was 5 when he met Jackson, and he spent the night at Neverland Ranch more than 20 times, sleeping in the singer's bedroom on most visits, he told jurors during the trial that ended with Jackson's acquittal.

Robson bristled at testimony by other witnesses that they had seen Jackson molest him.

"I'm very mad about it," Robson told jurors. "It's not true and they put my name through the dirt. I'm really not happy about it."

Robson, an Australian-born choreographer, has appeared on the Fox series "So You Think You Can Dance" and worked with Britney Spears and other stars.

Marzano argued at an April hearing that the seriousness of the claims being lodged against Jackson's estate warranted a full evidentiary hearing.

Jackson estate attorney Jonathan Steinsapir argued that the law doesn't allow liability for a person's actions to transfer to their estate in perpetuity, and that Robson missed his opportunity to file a claim.

Jackson died at 50 while preparing for a series of comeback concerts dubbed "This Is It." His estate benefits his mother and three children.

The pop singer died deeply in debt, but a posthumous bounce in the popularity of his music has generated hundreds of millions of dollars.

Robson filed one of the last major claims against Jackson's estate, although disputes with a former business manager, another man alleging underage sexual abuse, and the IRS remain unresolved.

———

Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...im-michael-jacksons-estate-dismissed-31352612

No, that judge knew this was BS.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am not interested in Diane Dimond's or haters' opinions, to be honest. Let's not make this thread about them.
I agree. That is like President Obama expecting Sean Hannity to talk good about him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

She's an unprofessional idiot.

No, she is a fool who do not believe her own case by the way she is talking. she is looking for attention and hope this get her more clients by having this case and putting her name out there.. She know this mess is not true.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Of course what Dimond wrote about the case not being over on every front is true, but what Friedman wrote is true as well. Also it was not directed towards her, so why does she claim she was "asked". She was not. And "I moved on long ago!". Yeah, I guess that's why you wrote the Safechuck article just days after his complaint was filed. Just why you were used by him as a mouth piece. Because you definitely "moved on long ago". LOL.
That woman is joke and I do not think NO CREDITALBE new outlet will have her on.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Has anyone posted this twitter exchange between Roger and Diane? :hysterical:

Showbiz 411 ?@showbiz411 Michael Jackson: Molestation Case Filed by Wade Robson Dismissed by Judge

Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond
@showbiz411 Not true. Case in 2 courts. Probate and Civil. Last ruling (probate) 2 b appealed. This Robson/Safechuck case lives on. Ck facts

Showbiz 411 ?@showbiz411
@DiDimond you are obsessed. And it's unbecoming at this point.


Diane Dimond ?@DiDimond
@showbiz411 Hysterical how facts get your panties in a bunch, Roger. I'm obsessed? I moved on long ago! Someone asked I answered w FACT

If she moved on, why do she feel the need to know or THINK this case is not over? That means she still is involved. Dumb idoit. Really, the case is over but the courts is going to let these idoits appeal and show their stupidity. Some judges know things are BS but they still have to let it play out.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They don't have to make those arguments

I hope you are right. But I sure would like to see Robson's third am. complaint.

Castor, you have been highly critical of the Estate's attorneys from the get go and I don't understand why. IMO, They've been pitch perfect so far sticking to the law itself and tearing apart Wade and co's self incriminating claims.

What they don't seem to understand or they don't care about is that this issue is not about the law.
This is about soundbites and perception.


When people read that the Estate's lawyer argued that the claims should be rejected because liability cannot follow the property forever how do you think people react to that?

They didn't call Robson a liarm not one time in any of their statements. They have not pointed out any of his contradictions.
Weitzman and Branca have been weasels when it comes to MJ's innocence ever since 2005.
Branca couldn't even give a forceful response during the 60minute interview. He just let that bitch repeat the myth that MJ was "sleeping with boys" -- clearly insinuating that alone proved he was a child molester.
Or look at their weak response to that BS 100 M for 20 victims story.
They have been doing a piss-poor job at protecting MJ's reputation.
 
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