[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think the decision should be in favour of the Estate, but with the US justice system you never know. I'm always prepared for it throwing a curve at us. I am kind of used to it when it comes to MJ. :(
Maybe because I live in the United States, I expect more and I'll just never get used to it. I was a baby and a little kid during the Civil Rights movement and even though I didn't know what in the heck was going on at that time, I just think we are better than that. We are founded on that.
So I'll never get used to it (and especially when it comes to Michael) or get over being angry.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Not quite the same trial.
The content and the defendant would be different, imo.
How could the entity like MJJ Production have known if WR had been molested by MJ, the person?, the trial wouldnt be about MJ but the company, and not about proving the abuse by the company, and the judge would have to exclude many issues and questions concerning MJ as a person and a posibble molester... because he would not be the defendant and the one who was convicted of anything, imo.

If I am mistaken... well, I will just sit and wait...

A trial about the companies would very much revolve around whether MJ was a child molester - only Robson would also have to convince the jury that the companies knew about it. But child abuse allegations against MJ would be very much a part of that trial as well. I mean how can you decide about whether a company has responsibility in a child abuse case if you do not try to convince the jury that there was child abuse in the first place? So of course that would be a part of it.

But that is only if there is a trial. To me from what I have seen in the court papers against the companies it's hard to imagine how it would get past both demurrer and summary judgement.Unless there is something important we have not seen. Based on what do you think that the case against the companies would reach the trial phase?


How could the entity like MJJ Production have known if WR had been molested by MJ, the person?

If the companies had no way of knowing about alleged abuse then it will not get past demurrer in the first place.
 
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A trial about the companies would very much revolve around whether MJ was a child molester - only Robson would also have to convince the jury that the companies knew about it. But child abuse allegations against MJ would be very much a part of that trial as well. I mean how can you decide about whether a company has responsibility in a child abuse case if you do not try to convince the jury that there was child abuse in the first place? So of course that would be a part of it.

But that is only if there is a trial. To me from what I have seen in the court papers against the companies it's hard to imagine how it would get past both demurrer and summary judgement.Unless there is something important we have not seen. Based on what do you think that the case against the companies would reach the trial phase?




If the companies had no way of knowing about alleged abuse then it will not get past demurrer in the first place.

Of course, something about MJ would be in the trial if he maybe molested someone somwewhere, but still, it would not be the same like if he personally was the only defendant with the particular charges of the particular crimes at particular places.

The verdict would not be - MJ is guilty of the xyz abuse.

Especially if you and some of the other MJJC members DID prove in the comments what BS the accusations are!
IMO, the strategy of Robsons lawyer would be defferent.
I honestly have to admit, I dont quite understand the US legal system how exactly the company could know about any abuse of any of its employees, or agents.
The company didnt pay for travel or personal expenses for Robson and his family, did it, or?
The company didnt administer or manage anything related to the places of the possible crimes described by Robson, did it?
... and so on...

And yes, WR can try to convince the jury that there was child abuse in the first place, but whould the judge allow the very same info and testimony about MJ - the person if he did not allow the previous attepmt againt him/Estate.
It could not be 2 in 1, could be?

Most of the MJs personal part would have to be excluded.
Otherwise the judge could allow the trial now.

Based on what I think there could be trial againt the companies?
Based on your conclusions by your comments, and I dont say that the ruling about any trial is a done deal, but its more likely to get this trial, and totally not the trial against MJ/Estate.
... and based on the statue of limitation, btw, there isnt the same statue of limitation for companies like this for the deceased (1 year), isnt it?

I absolutely support you and other researchers, thats why I asked you before if the info you have provided us could be send to the Estate or lawyers, if they know about anything like your exact quotations from testimonies, the court files, about videos by WR, about this and that... and so on.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I would think a case against the companies would fall flat since the companies supposedly have to know about the child abuse, and Wade has already said they didn't tell anyone.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The verdict would not be - MJ is guilty of the xyz abuse.

A liable verdict against the companies would obviously mean that the jury would also have to state that they think MJ was guilty. A company cannot be held liable for alleged abuse if the jury thinks the abuse did not happen in the first place. So a liable verdict against the companies would implicitly mean a liable/guilty verdict against MJ too. It would not be any less important in terms of MJ's reputation.


And yes, WR can try to convince the jury that there was child abuse in the first place, but whould the judge allow the very same info and testimony about MJ - the person if he did not allow the previous attepmt againt him/Estate.
It could not be 2 in 1, could be?

The two things are related. Like I said a company cannot be held liable of something that the jury thinks did not happen in the first place, so yes the trial would still revolve around MJ's guilt or innocence of child abuse. So yes, testimony regarding that would probably be allowed.

Most of the MJs personal part would have to be excluded.
Otherwise the judge could allow the trial now.

The current proceedings have nothing to do with whether it's personal part or not. It has to do with statutes of limitations.

Based on what I think there could be trial againt the companies?
Based on your conclusions by your comments, and I dont say that the ruling about any trial is a done deal, but its more likely to get this trial, and totally not the trial against MJ/Estate.
... and based on the statue of limitation, btw, there isnt the same statue of limitation for companies like this for the deceased (1 year), isnt it?

I haven't seen anyone say that the companies part is likely to go on trial. Ivy said she thought it would pass demurrer but still be stopped at summary judgement. I am not even convinced it would pass demurrers. I have not seen anything in their complaint so far that would support the companies lawsuit going on trial, especially if the probate case is thrown out. They could not even really state a viable cause of action so far about how the companies are supposed to be responsible.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isn't there someone here that has contact with Howard Weitzman or the Estate? can someone ask them if the judge has issued a ruling yet?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isn't there someone here that has contact with Howard Weitzman or the Estate? can someone ask them if the judge has issued a ruling yet?

I imagine that we will hear from Wade's 'side' soon enough, whatever the outcome.

I'm happy they are being kept waiting. I hope every millisecond feels like a year to him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isn't there someone here that has contact with Howard Weitzman or the Estate? can someone ask them if the judge has issued a ruling yet?

they won't comment.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I looked it up, and it was Star in one of the police interviews.

They did claim that they saw MJ naked remember - that time they claimed MJ ran into the room or out of the room naked or with socks on or saying something or not saying something, they couldn't decide, but that's where they claimed he had an erection and was naked in front of them, and why Star claimed MJ was about 5 inches erect.

They of course contradicted each other about that naked scene too. Gavin said that MJ sat on the bed for minutes and told them it's natural (funny it sounds almost like that Canadian's boys videotape "our body was meant to be touched")
Star said he just walked in then walked out and said nothing.

And of course Gavin also said he just assumed he was fully white, we know from the autopsy report,photos taken in the early 2000s of his legs and even Dr. Patrick Treacy's interview on King Jordan that
Mj was black and white and his legs were the worst.
So these two liars never saw him naked.
I wonder why TM didn't make that argument either.

If Star indeed could determine the size of the penis he should as hell should have known other features as well, like the color of the penis and the scrotum so why didn't he say anything about those?
 
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BTW, when you look at the time line of the Arvizo case you will see that during the supposed molestations MJ hardly even stayed in the same place as the Arvizos. The Arvizos claim the molestations happened between February 20 and March 12.

We know for a fact that on February 20, when the Arvizos returned to NL MJ wasn't even there. He was in Florida. We also know for a fact that between February 25 and March 2 the Arvizos were taken to the Calabasas hotel. And we know for a fact from phone logs that the prosecution presented that on March (6)7-8 MJ was at the Beverly Hilton hotel. It's as if MJ was running from them all the time. Some grooming! LOL.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

BTW, when you look at the time line of the Arvizo case you will see that during the supposed molestations MJ hardly even stayed in the same place as the Arvizos. The Arvizos claim the molestations happened between February 20 and March 12.

We know for a fact that on February 20, when the Arvizos returned to NL MJ wasn't even there. He was in Florida. We also know for a fact that between February 25 and March 2 the Arvizos were taken to the Calabasas hotel. And we know for a fact from phone logs that the prosecution presented that on March (6)7-8 MJ was at the Beverly Hilton hotel. It's as if MJ was running from them all the time. Some grooming! LOL.

All of this proves that MJ was in love with Gavin Arvizo!
According to Jim Clemente.

And because he was so in love with him he let the whole family leave on March 12, after only two mastrubation sessions and didn't even bother to give Gavin his phone number.

He was also so in love with with Gavin that right after the Bashir interview was recorded he turned his back on them and didn't even bother to contact them for months.
And if that fake-o-mentary had not been as twisted as it was MJ would have never ever contacted the Arvizos again.

But he sure was in love with that bulky ugly arrogant bastard.

I so would like to cross-examine Clemente and make a fool out of him in court.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^ And now these two fools - Robson and Safechuck - are building on that ridiculous Arvizo case by taking elements from it (porn, alcohol etc.). What does it tell about Robson's and Safechuck's allegations? :smilerolleyes:
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Child molester's and child pornography go hand in hand. The FBI has already proven that Michael never had ANY child pornography on any of his computer's. These pictures benefit the predator in making their victim think it is a normal activity. It is also an addiction for the child molester, in which it feeds a vicious cycle.

It led two men, two year's ago to do their heinous crimes. One went to Cody, Wyoming and kidnapped a teen girl and then raped her. He didn't kill her, but was hoping the elements would finish the job. She was barely clothed and night was approaching, when some hunter's came across her and saved her life. The victim told the police about the hundreds of pictures of naked children.

The other was a 17 year old young man who murdered an 11 year old girl, while she was walking to school one morning. He admitted to police his addiction to child porn and why he went hunting for a victim. This was in the Denver, Colorado area. It seems the predator's in Michael Jackson's case is Wade Robson and James Safechuck, cooking up a potential scheme to deceive the Court to gain a monetary sum.
 
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I was thinking about all the contradictory reports about what Chandler actually said in his so-called description and it hit me that not one includes anything about ANY actual physical features regarding size or shape.

And even Gavin tried to come up with some BS about his size - claiming MJ was 5 inches when erect, which interestingly enough, didn't warrant a police search.

Maybe somewhere earlier during his police interviews he made such a claim about 5 inches (anyone who's ever seen the Gold Pants will find that claim ridiculous) but of course because Sneddon knew the pics from 1993 he would know that's very much off, so later they rather formed his story so that he did not have to "remember" MJ's penis.

Rejoice that Michael did not have to suffer the indignity and judgment that would come from the public - including some of his fans - knowing the actual measurements of the private areas of his body. This private man suffered enough indignity and judgment when many of his private matters became public. It was unfortunate enough that his autopsy picture was broadcast insensitively to the world however; Michael mercifully did not suffer through that.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Rejoice that Michael did not have to suffer the indignity and judgment that would come from the public - including some of his fans - knowing the actual measurements of the private areas of his body. This private man suffered enough indignity and judgment when many of his private matters became public. It was unfortunate enough that his autopsy picture was broadcast insensitively to the world however; Michael mercifully did not suffer through that.

Does anyone know if Sneddon had tried to introduce Chandler's drawing and description or only his own declaration in 2005?
 
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Rejoice that Michael did not have to suffer the indignity and judgment that would come from the public - including some of his fans - knowing the actual measurements of the private areas of his body. This private man suffered enough indignity and judgment when many of his private matters became public. It was unfortunate enough that his autopsy picture was broadcast insensitively to the world however; Michael mercifully did not suffer through that.
If I could give you a thousand thank yous for this post, I would.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Rejoice that Michael did not have to suffer the indignity and judgment that would come from the public - including some of his fans - knowing the actual measurements of the private areas of his body. This private man suffered enough indignity and judgment when many of his private matters became public. It was unfortunate enough that his autopsy picture was broadcast insensitively to the world however; Michael mercifully did not suffer through that.


Hopefully any further discussion of Michael's personal anatomy should be completely irrelevant to the current case, (even in the unlikely event that legal proceedings continue), since any testimony regarding the 'memories' of two adult males would be so heavily influenced by their subsequent knowledge and life experience (not to mention rumour and hearsay) that any such discussion should be worthless.
 
respect77;4089424 said:
BTW, when you look at the time line of the Arvizo case you will see that during the supposed molestations MJ hardly even stayed in the same place as the Arvizos. The Arvizos claim the molestations happened between February 20 and March 12.

We know for a fact that on February 20, when the Arvizos returned to NL MJ wasn't even there. He was in Florida. We also know for a fact that between February 25 and March 2 the Arvizos were taken to the Calabasas hotel. And we know for a fact from phone logs that the prosecution presented that on March (6)7-8 MJ was at the Beverly Hilton hotel. It's as if MJ was running from them all the time. Some grooming! LOL.

Thats absolutely true, and maybe, just maybe... it could have been televised live from the court room for all the people to see and hear the absurdity about molestations/abuse.

anyway, what I found the most horrific and absurd itself ever! is that the timeline of the Arvizo case was not just the date - between F.20 and M.12, but that the molestaion and abuse should have happened right after the LWMJ was aired in the UK on February 3, 2003 and three days later in the USA after the mega global scandal what MJ said and did=held Gevin´s hand in that famous scene and the bed story.
So, MJ accused of inappropriate behaviour by the doc wanted - consciously - to molest the very same boy at the very same place after ... the whole world was having fun and accusing of him for the documentary, at least + MJs press statement and REBUTTAL video Take Two: The Footage You Were Never Meant to See, aired 23 February 2003 (USA) , so the prosecution wanted the world to believe in this BS + info from your comment?

How was even possible that any judge or any grand jury took it seriously and would believe in molestation after such global impact of the LWMJ???
 
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ILoveHIStory;4089560 said:
Thats absolutely true, and maybe, just maybe... it could have been televised live from the court room for all the people to see and hear the absurdity about molestations/abuse.

anyway, what I found the most horrific and absurd itself ever! is that the timeline of the Arvizo case was not just the date - between F.20 and M.12, but that the molestaion and abuse should have happened right after the LWMJ was aired in the UK on February 3, 2003 and three days later in the USA after the mega global scandal what MJ said and did=hold Gevin´s hand in that famous scene and the bed story.
So, MJ accused of inappropriate behaviour by the doc wanted - consciously - to molest the very same boy at the very same place after ... the whole world was having fun of him for the documentary, at least, so the prosecution wanted the world to believe in this BS + info from your comment?

How was even possible that any judge or any grand jury took it seriously and would believe in molestation after such global impact of the LWMJ???

Exactly and not only that. Because of the Bashir documentary the Santa Barbara police and the DCFS started to investigate in February too.

It was not only the DCFS that started an investigation against Jackson because of the Bashir documentary. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department too launched an investigation in February 2003 based on a complaint by psychiatrist Dr. Carol Lieberman – again, because of the Bashir documentary. This investigation continued until April, 2003.

So the Arvizos story was that Michael started to molest Gavin WHILE all those investigations were ongoing. Even though he was not interested in him before, for three years. But he starts to molest him while all those investigations and media attention are ongoing. I guess he told to himself: "Well, they are investigating me, let it not be in vain, so I am going to give them a chance for their investigations to be successful even though I have not touched this boy before." Who is the idiot who believes this? :smilerolleyes:

The problem is that most people just do not know these details. The media really dropped the ball (no doubt, deliberately for the sake of sensationalism) to inform the public about this case, so all most of the public has out of context, inflammatory sound bites and salacious allegations that the media likes to report about for sensationalism. People do not know the full details and full context which totally destroy these allegations.

Another favourite part of mine is how they had four different versions about how Janet Arvizo learnt about the alleged abuse:


1) According to the prosecution’s Statement of Probable Cause (November 17, 2003) in her initial interview with Sgt. Steve Robel on July 6-7, 2003 Janet Arvizo claimed that their sons disclosed to her the alleged abuse after February or March, 2003:
“These disclosures were made to her after February or March of this year [2003]. She explained that she would interrupt and tell Star and Gavin to “forgive and forget”. She did this because she thought she was doing the right thing. She wanted Star and Gavin to make the disclosures to a priest or someone else. She has since learned that this was wrong of her to do.” [5; page 23]
On the stand in 2005 Janet Arvizo claimed that at the time she was not aware that either of her sons were molested, she was only “aware of things”, however, in the prosecution’s Statement of Probable Cause document (November 17, 2003) it is clearly claimed that in February-March, 2003 her sons disclosed accounts of molestation to Janet Arvizo (eg. Jackson allegedly “moving his hips against Gavin” in bed while they were supposedly in bed together, Jackson allegedly touching Star’s private parts etc. – see page 22-23 of the referenced document [5]).

2) The very same prosecution document later contains a totally different version of how and when Janet Arvizo learnt about the alleged molestation of her son:
“It is important to note that during the course of the two interviews detailed in this affidavit, Mrs. Arvizo was not aware that Gavin has been molested. She believed the focus of our investigation was the family’s having been held against their wishes at the Neverland Ranch upon their return from Miami and their escape in March. Mrs. Arvizo (sic) told your Affiant she had contacted an attorney to help get their possessions back and to set up contacts with law enforcement to report what had happened to them. She emphasized she was not interested in money. Your affiant is aware through a conversation with Sgt. Robel that around 5:00 p.m. on September 30, 2003, that Sgt. Robel, Lt. Klapakis and District Attorney Tom Sneddon met with Mrs. Arvizo and her family in a Los Angeles hotel and informed her that our conversations with her children had established that Gavin had been molested. This was the first time she was aware of the nature of her children’s disclosures to law enforcement.” [5; page 64]

3) On contrary with both versions in the prosecution’s Statement of Probable Cause Larry Feldman in his testimony in 2005 then provided a third version when he said after sending the Arvizo family to Dr. Stanley Katz in June 2003 he called them back to his office and discussed Dr. Katz’s findings with them and what kind of legal actions were available to them at that time.

4) As mentioned above, in March-April 2003attorney William Dickerman wrote letters to Jackson’s attorney, Mark Geragos regarding the issue of returning the Arvizos’ items from a storage locker. In those letters Dickerman never makes any allegation of child molestation, false imprisonment or providing alcohol to a minor. When asked about this on the stand by Jackson’s attorney, Thomas Mesereau, this is what Janet Arvizo had to say:
Q. In none of his letters did he ever mention anything about alcohol or child molestation, true? A. Because that was information for these guys right here, for the police.
Q. How many months later?
A. Because I didn’t want Geragos to know that we were headed towards — straight to the police. [6]
So this is yet another version, in which they do not mention alleged molestation in those letters dated March-April, 2003, not because Janet Arvizo was not aware of it at the time yet, but because they were preserving that information for the police. Here we have to add, however, that they did not go “straight to the police” in March-April 2003, but they went to civil attorney Larry Feldman in May 2003 – like we have described above.

BTW, the whole thing with the lawyers - and how they were involved in the emergence of those allagetions - is just so transparent:

According to his own testimony, in early May of 2003 William Dickerman entered into a fee-sharing agreement with attorney, Larry Feldman. Feldman in his own testimony confirmed that they had fee-sharing agreement, although he suggested it came about a little bit later, (”not right at the beginning”), but he did not specify when.

Larry Feldman was the same civil attorney who negotiated the $15 million settlement for the Chandlers, the family of Jackson’s first accuser in 1993-94 . According to the Arvizos’ later story at this time Gavin had not yet disclosed his alleged abuse to anyone, including his mother or Dickerman, so at this time there were no allegations of child sexual abuse by the Arvizos yet. So why would Dickerman refer them to the same attorney who dealt with the first child abuse allegation against Jackson in 1993-94? In his 2005 testimony he explained it this way:
Q. All right. Did you file a lawsuit on behalf of Janet Arvizo or her family? A. No. Q. At some point in time, did you refer this matter to another attorney? A. Yes. Q. All right. Who was that other attorney? A. Larry Feldman. Q. And why did you do that? A. Excuse me. I began representing the Arvizos in February. And by the time I met with Mr. Feldman, it was the beginning of May. In that period of time I had learned a lot of things. There were a lot of allegations being made, and I realized that the best thing for my clients to do, and for me personally as their attorney, was to get some expert input as to matters of Michael Jackson. The initial things I didn’t think I really needed to do that with, but as things developed, I wanted to get some input. So I met with Mr. Feldman, whom, by the way, I knew — not “by the way.” It was very important. I knew that he was – by reputation, he was one of the top trial lawyers in California, if not the United States.
And actually, previously, not knowing him except by reputation, I had referred a case to him, tried to refer a case to him that I could not handle for various reasons of an old client of mine. And I knew that he was the go-to guy with regard to Michael Jackson matters. Of course, I knew about the 1993 case, so I met with him, with the idea of picking his brain, actually, not to refer any matters to him. And afterwards, he met with them, and they — we all associated together. The Arvizos hired both him and me. Q. All right. Have you filed a lawsuit as of this time on behalf of the Arvizos or anybody else? A. No. Q. Is it the case that the extent of your dealings with them so far, in terms of your communicating with others, has been for purposes of getting their property returned or dealing with the consequences of “Living with Michael Jackson,” the documentary? A. Yes. Q. Do you have an understanding with Mr. Feldman that should there be a lawsuit in the future, that – THE COURT: They’re not hearing you. MR. ZONEN: I’m sorry? THE COURT: Behind; these people can’t hear you. MR. ZONEN: I’m terribly sorry. Q. Is there an arrangement that, should there be a lawsuit in the future, that there would be compensation for you in any form of a settlement even if you’re not participating in that lawsuit? Do you know what I mean? A. Well, we have an agreement. Q. Okay. A. It doesn’t say anything about participation or not. We were retained together, and I have a fee-sharing arrangement with Mr. Feldman. Q. Which means what? A. Which means I will get — if there is such a lawsuit anytime in the future, that I will be entitled to a sliding scale, depending on whether there’s a settlement or a judgment. Q. Okay. What kind of lawsuit do you anticipate? A. I don’t anticipate any lawsuit. My understanding is that there isn’t one in the offing. Nobody’s talking about one. And I suppose if there were to be one — well, that would be speculation. [1]
It is not clear what Dickerman refers to when he says: “In that period of time I had learned a lot of things. There were a lot of allegations being made”, because according to the Arvizos’ own story they had not disclosed anything about alleged child sexual abuse to Dickerman at that point yet. The claim is that they contacted Dickerman to get back their stuff from the storage locker, to stop alleged harassment by Jackson’s people and to deal with the Arvizos’ issues with the media – i.e. writing letters to various media outlets to make them stop using the Arvizos’ photos and footage from the Martin Bashir documentary, unless they could show that the Arvizos had given their legal consent.

In the above extract Dickerman says: “And I knew that he was the go-to guy with regard to Michael Jackson matters. Of course, I knew about the 1993 case, so I met with him, with the idea of picking his brain, actually, not to refer any matters to him.”

Feldman previously dealt with only one case regarding Michael Jackson and that was the allegations of child sexual abuse by the Chandler family in 1993. There is no other claim for him being “the go-to guy with regard to Michael Jackson matters”. But we are supposed to believe that Dickerman contacted him just to help him get back some old furniture from a storage locker or to help him write letters to the media? Because remember, this was all happening BEFORE Gavin first made allegations of sexual abuse against Michael Jackson.

After being referred to Feldman by Dickerman, Feldman sent the Arvizos to Dr. Stanley Katz, a psychologist whose field is child sexual abuse. Moreover, Dr. Katz is the same psychologist who evaluated Jordan Chandler in 1993 and with whom Larry Feldman first worked together in 1987. Again, keep in mind that the claim is that the Arvizos were sent to Feldman regarding the storage locker, the alleged harassment and the media issues. Gavin testified in 2005 that the first person he ever made his allegations to was Dr. Katz and that he did not make any such allegations to either Dickerman, Feldman or his mother. Yet, he was sent to the same lawyer who negotiated a $15 million settlement for the Chandler family in 1993 in a child molestation lawsuit and this lawyer then sends him to a child abuse psychologist – the same one who also evaluated the 1993 accuser.

In his testimony Feldman claimed that Dr. Katz reported his findings to him in a verbal conversation in his office. Next Feldman called the Arvizo family back in his office to tell them about it. This is yet another contradiction among the many contradictions in the Arvizos’ story, because according to Janet Arvizo she had not learnt about her son’s alleged abuse until September 2003 when the police informed her about it after talking to her children. It actually does not make much sense that a child is sent to a psychologist who is a child abuse expert and the parent would not be informed of the alleged findings of that interview until months later, nor would she enquire about them.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't know what got into TM but he once again accused Weitzman and Branca that they will likely settle or had already done so that's why we don't hear anything about the judge decision.

That doesn't even make sense since the judge will rule regardless of whether the Estate wants to settle or not.

What the **** is wrong the TM?

Here's the recent King Jordan show where he said it:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan...nduskywade-robson-and-safechuck-on-kjr-5-8-15
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Unfortunately we'll be hearing more settlement talk too, William Wagner is at it again too. I'm not putting any stock in it since it's coming from Wagner LOL.
 
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I really hope and pray the estate has not settled. Mind you no news dosent always mean bad news. But the more this goes on the more speculation there will be. I respect T-Mez and he is entitled to his opinion. We don't all have to agree with it. It's just his point of view.
 
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It's just his point of view.

Well yes anyone is entitled to think Estate might settle and it's their point of view. However sometimes what people say go beyond that, it becomes speculation and even a conspiracy.

I don't get why anyone thinks Estate would settle at this point in the case. There's a summary judgment happening (other two cases has active demurrers), judge has yet to rule. Even if the judge rules negatively for Estate there is still the appeals, even if that doesn't end well and probate claim gets added to the civil case there will still be demurrers and summary judgments. So there are still A LOT of chances to get this dismissed before any trial. So sorry but I personally don't get why anyone thinks they would even consider a settlement now. All of this speculation does nothing but to make fans nervous.
 
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I wish Mez would inform himself about where the process stands before making comments about it. Especially after he already made this same mistake earlier. But I guess at this point he just wants to bash the Estate regardless of actual facts.

I feel that there is a group of fans (those also surround Mez) who actually want the Estate to settle just to be able to bash them. They just cannot stop talking about a settlement even when there is no sign of a settlement. It is a sad sight when Estate bashing is the priority of some people in this.

Not saying a settlement is impossible, but like Ivy said this is not the time for that. And once again, because Mez said so and of course he is highly respected in the fan community some fans run with this claim of settlement and think it's what is happening when a look at the actual process tell us otherwise.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I saw that there's a hearing for June 30th and that Robson's case is still pending so there goes Wagener's claim about a settlement having happened. A fan posted about Wagener's claims in a facebook group but it disappeared pretty quickly. I don't know if the fan or one of the admins deleted it but it made me laugh. I've tried reasoning with this fan before and spoke about checking the status of cases since they're public but people still don't do this before posting garbage. I guess some people will never learn.
 
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If it goes to trial I hope the estate calls TM as a witness anyway. I want to see if he has the nerve to turn them down.
 
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The fan's post about Wagener's crap has been put back up, just rewritten. The arguments will begin in 3...2...1

Lol.
 
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If it goes to trial I hope the estate calls TM as a witness anyway. I want to see if he has the nerve to turn them down.


No of course he would testify. He already talked about that.

But he shouldn't testify. He should defend MJ.
I don't see how a wishy washy technocrat who never really cared about MJ could win such a case.

If this goes to trial only someone who understand MJ's entire life and his habits and his relationships could win.

Can you imagine Weitzman explaining why MJ didn't associate sex with bed sharing?
Why he let kids stay in his room why he didn't have the heart or any reason to turn them away when they asked Joy robson: can we stay with Michael?

Can you imagne Weitzman explaining that MJ was generous with everyone not just boys and he befriended just as many girls as boys
and he talked on the phone for hours with men, women, girls not just boys?

And why he had an amusement park and a zoo, and how he visited zoos and amusement parks all over the world simply because he loved those things?

And how sensitive and emphatic he was ever since he was kid?

I don't see Weitzman successfully arguing any of those.
 
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The fan's post about Wagener's crap has been put back up, just rewritten. The arguments will begin in 3...2...1

Lol.

I see that the fan post on FB states as 'evidence' of a settlement that 'there is no smoke without fire' (meaning presumably that any rumours must be true). Well, I sure hope they don't apply that to MJ. What a ridiculous argument.
 
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