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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the judge follows the law, summary judgement should be allowed. And Robson's claim should be denied. There is a statute of limitations for a reason. The judge himself should be very suspicious of these claims considering that Robson testified under oath at a criminal trial and denied anything wrong ever happened. I wonder how Beckloff feels about alleged perjurors?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe Wade's lawyers are counting on Chief Justice John Roberts hostility toward MJ and plan on taking it to the Supreme court for this reason.
 
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Soundmind said:
Maybe Wade's lawyers are counting on Chief Justice John Roberts hostility toward MJ and plan on taking it to the Supreme court for this reason.
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What makes you think Roberts is hostile toward MJ?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why speculate on some judge that currently has nothing to do with the case? We're not even done with this one.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just read more about the Chandlers and noticed something odd.

Evan Chandler beat or tried to beat everyone up.
his ex-wife, his current wife, Dave Schwarz, Taborelli, even Jordan but he never talked like that about MJ let alone tried to hit him.

Instead he HUGGED him right before he accused him of molesting Jordan and when allegedly walked in the room when his sons and MJ were sleeping
and found Jordan and MJ in the same bed he didn't try to break MJ's neck (as for example Kit Culkin would have done according to his book).
No he just removes MJ's hand from Jordan's crotch and thinks thank god both were fully clothed!

:wtf2


He wanted to humiliate MJ, and crush his dreams but he was never interested in putting him in jail or beat the crap out of him despite his violent nature
and despite that being a natural reaction of fathers who learn their kid was molested.

And when I think about that weird scene of him stroking MJ's hair and asking whether he was gay....
and his whining over MJ not returning his phone calls and he had a good relationship with him and all that....

:blink:

Seriously, was this guy in love with MJ or what?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I cannot believe this, still nothing!
I wonder if judge forgot he has ruling to do?
 
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Bubs said:
I cannot believe this, still nothing!
I wonder if judge forgot he has ruling to do?
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I just keep reminding myself he has many cases that he must decide, and must give every one due diligence in consideration. At least, I hope that's true. Otherwise, I'd go crazy wondering what the heck is taking so long.
 
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If he never said it'll take him "few days" to rule we would never say it takes too long, because he's still within the standard time :lol:
 
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gerryevans said:
I just keep reminding myself he has many cases that he must decide, and must give every one due diligence in consideration. At least, I hope that's true. Otherwise, I'd go crazy wondering what the heck is taking so long.
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Yes, same here. I also think apart from a decision he will need to issue a reasoning complete with legal support etc. So maybe the writing of the reasoning takes time.

Sigh. I just hope he will not let this unfair crazy mess go on.
 
"Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff did not immediately rule on the future of Wade Robson’s petition, but said he would have a decision within a few days."

It's been over a week, he should have said, he'll have decision ready some time next week.

I went as far as I googled the meaning of "few days" as I was certain that it means 2 days:blush:
I'm not counting, but it is ninth day today:bored2:


I definitely sue him if I die for heart attack while waiting;D

Ps, I think tomorrow would be good day to give his ruling because all the tabloids will concentrate to this boxing match and hopefully they don't have time to write garbage like MJ got away because time limits or similar stuff.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He said he wil l have a decision in a few days. Not that he will issue a decision in a few days:cheeky:
 
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Justthefacts said:
He said he wil l have a decision in a few days. Not that he will issue a decision in a few days:cheeky:
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Thats true! Se we could be waiting god knows how long.
 
Bubs;4088525 said:
"Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff did not immediately rule on the future of Wade Robson’s petition, but said he would have a decision within a few days."

It's been over a week, he should have said, he'll have decision ready some time next week.

I went as far as I googled the meaning of "few days" as I was certain that it means 2 days:blush:
I'm not counting, but it is ninth day today:bored2:


I definitely sue him if I die for heart attack while waiting;D

Ps, I think tomorrow would be good day to give his ruling because all the tabloids will concentrate to this boxing match and hopefully they don't have time to write garbage like MJ got away because time limits or similar stuff.
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Thanks for the laugh :lol:


Justthefacts;4088526 said:
He said he wil l have a decision in a few days. Not that he will issue a decision in a few days:cheeky:
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So he's keeping it from us? That :censored:!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

InvincibleTal said:
If he never said it'll take him "few days" to rule we would never say it takes too long, because he's still within the standard time :lol:
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So true, because those words indicate what the case should be...open and shut, not requiring a whole lot of thought because of statute of limitations and other obvious facts, like Robson being a crazy a** liar.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

InvincibleTal is right. If the judge didn't say he'll have a decision in a few days, we wouldn't even expected a decision this soon. 2-4 weeks is more the norm. Beckloff in the past have taken 2 weeks so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear anything until next tuesday. it could even take longer as he also needs to prepare his written ruling with citing cases and such and that could take time.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

castor said:
Just read more about the Chandlers and noticed something odd.

Evan Chandler beat or tried to beat everyone up.
his ex-wife, his current wife, Dave Schwarz, Taborelli, even Jordan but he never talked like that about MJ let alone tried to hit him.

Instead he HUGGED him right before he accused him of molesting Jordan and when allegedly walked in the room when his sons and MJ were sleeping
and found Jordan and MJ in the same bed he didn't try to break MJ's neck (as for example Kit Culkin would have done according to his book).
No he just removes MJ's hand from Jordan's crotch and thinks thank god both were fully clothed!

:wtf2


He wanted to humiliate MJ, and crush his dreams but he was never interested in putting him in jail or beat the crap out of him despite his violent nature
and despite that being a natural reaction of fathers who learn their kid was molested.

And when I think about that weird scene of him stroking MJ's hair and asking whether he was gay....
and his whining over MJ not returning his phone calls and he had a good relationship with him and all that....

:blink:

Seriously, was this guy in love with MJ or what?
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Kind of like this dad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iwkBpZvjVc
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tomorrow is Friday. Please let the ruling come tomorrow!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A few days must mean something different in legalese. After all cases can go on for years. Legal time is slower than real time ;)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Right now I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear anything until Tuesday - 2 weeks.

He took 2 weeks for Safechuck decision and it's still considered quick decision - when compared to other cases/judges I followed.
 
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10 days and still counting:timer:

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Paris78;4087755 said:
by the way

Taj Jackson @tajjackson3 · April 24th

Dear @StacyBrownMedia, stop trying to make a career by lying about my family. It doesn't make u a journalist, just an opportunistic weasel.
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Lost his mind !

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Pathological liars among themselves. LOL.

(I personally do not think we should focus on hater activity here. I could not care less about the discussions of those hateful, dishonest and psychotic little bullies. By focusing on them, following them etc. we only give them the attention they crave for. )
 
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I don't care what this mentally ill man and his friend have to say
 
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respect77 said:
Pathological liars among themselves. LOL.

(I personally do not think we should focus on hater activity here. I could not care less about the discussions of those hateful, dishonest and psychotic little bullies. By focusing on them, following them etc. we only give them the attention they crave for. )
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Agree with you - just deleted some pics...but i think its also important to be aware...
 
I hope that it is OK to post a little quote from the latest conversation in 'Dancing with the elephant', with DB Anderson:

D.B.: Exactly. I’m not buying. No one believes Wade Robson. And I have more faith in journalism than I did before.

But never underestimate tabloids. So if it does get to the state where hysteria goes around, that is the moment when one of us needs to pounce on it with a story, which I hope someone is already working on right now, about Robson not getting the job at Cirque du Soleil which apparently caused his “remembering.”

And I would go for it right out of the gate with an opening sentence like “It’s widely believed that Michael Jackson was the victim of malicious prosecution by a zealous and bigoted district attorney in 2005. Now another has tried …” That story should be ready and waiting to be published at the critical media time, with last minute edits where needed, no matter which way the case ends up. In other words, I’d love to see a citizen journalist with a story on why Wade lost. But either way, a citizen journalist story can give the rest of the press some factual nutrition. Otherwise they’re just looking at a giant void filled with tabloid trash. Citizens are the anti-tabloid. We give the press choices.

Yes, now that you mention it, it would be very strategic to do a victory lap story, one that drives the final stake into the heart of this nonsense forever.
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myosotis;4088625 said:
I hope that it is OK to post a little quote from the latest conversation in 'Dancing with the elephant', with DB Anderson:

D.B.: Exactly. I’m not buying. No one believes Wade Robson. And I have more faith in journalism than I did before.

But never underestimate tabloids. So if it does get to the state where hysteria goes around, that is the moment when one of us needs to pounce on it with a story, which I hope someone is already working on right now, about Robson not getting the job at Cirque du Soleil which apparently caused his “remembering.”

And I would go for it right out of the gate with an opening sentence like “It’s widely believed that Michael Jackson was the victim of malicious prosecution by a zealous and bigoted district attorney in 2005. Now another has tried …” That story should be ready and waiting to be published at the critical media time, with last minute edits where needed, no matter which way the case ends up. In other words, I’d love to see a citizen journalist with a story on why Wade lost. But either way, a citizen journalist story can give the rest of the press some factual nutrition. Otherwise they’re just looking at a giant void filled with tabloid trash. Citizens are the anti-tabloid. We give the press choices.

Yes, now that you mention it, it would be very strategic to do a victory lap story, one that drives the final stake into the heart of this nonsense forever.
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Thanks for that. Helping journalists who are willing to make a change for honest and factual journalism is more like what we should focus on.
 
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^^I was about to post a little snippet of that 'Dancing with the elephant', with DB Anderson, because there was a talk here why media is not covering this case as much we would have thought, and that interview cave me an idea why is that. Great read!


Ps, to quote Robert Downey Jr of certain journalist, Stacy is syphilitic parasite:puke:
 
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Willa: And that’s a really important insight, and an important opportunity. But you have me very curious, B.D. What were some of the comments you received? And who sent them?
D.B.: After “Messenger King” was published, I got a phone call from a popular columnist. And he asked me, “did you really just say that Michael Jackson was framed by a white prosecutor? That was he was a victim of police brutality?” And I thought he was going to rip into me. But instead he told me, “You have said what everyone else has been afraid to say.”
Willa: Really? He actually said that?
D.B.: He did! Willa, I was shaking, because you don’t get calls like this every day. And you know, his remark was so profound. A lot of journalists know there is something rotten in Denmark. They know it. Oh, they know – it’s saying it out loud that’s the problem. But as I say, the younger journalists, they are not invested in the old status quo. Changes will be made.
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I think a good strategy is to completely ignore Robson/Safechuck. Don’t feed that beast. Instead, I would like to see advocates creating their own content, really good content that calls attention to the true issues: his philanthropy, or the use of his music in times of trouble, like in Paris – or interview ten children who were assisted with their medical issues by Michael. Write about how MJ put on the 9/11 concert but no one knew it. Write about AIDS. Write about South Central LA and school shootings. Lots and lots of possibilities. But with Robson, it’s different. In my opinion the current tabloid stories need to be starved of oxygen. No clicks, no commenting, no yelling at the author, just … radio silence. That is the kiss of death for a story and a reporter.
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I'm a bit torn about this advice. It seems to be the right strategy for most part, but sometimes silence isn't really a good strategy because sometimes the media makes a story go viral on their own and when they push and push articles about the same uncorroborated, untrue BS over and over again (eg. this whole nonsense about MJ paying off boys secretly - payments and boys that curiously no one has ever seen, but that does not bother the media in feeding these lies). And then an answer is needed. So it depends on the situation whether ignoring a negative story is the best strategy or not.

Willa: I see what you’re saying, but it also feels risky to let false claims go unanswered. Some pretty wild rumors have been circulated about him, and sometimes they get a lot of attention – even when there is concrete information contradicting them – because that information doesn’t get out. But I understand your point that giving those stories attention helps perpetuate them. It’s complicated.
D.B.: Robson’s lawyers are intentionally leaking stuff to the tabloids, as a strategy to get the estate to settle.
Willa: It does seem that way, especially with the timing of how they’ve announced the allegations. The Robson accusations were made public during the AEG trial, and the Safechuck allegations came out the day before the release of Xscape. And then there are all the really lurid leaks to the tabloids. It seems to me that Robson and Safechuck’s law firm – and they have the same law firm working for them – is engaged in a pretty sophisticated media campaign to embarrass and harass the Estate and force them to settle, as you say.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
I'm a bit torn about this advice. It seems to be the right strategy for most part, but sometimes silence isn't really a good strategy because sometimes the media makes a story go viral on their own and when they push and push articles about the same uncorroborated, untrue BS over and over again (eg. this whole nonsense about MJ paying off boys secretly - payments and boys that curiously no one has ever seen, but that does not bother the media in feeding these lies). And then an answer is needed. So it depends on the situation whether ignoring a negative story is the best strategy or not.
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I'm torn too, but I'm deadly against replying any Stacy Brown articles.
That's what he is looking for, and we most certainly don't need to another Demon Dimond that made her career based on writing garbage of MJ.

I agree with the estate's stance that they reply if the reporter calls them and asks their input for the article. That way their reply is in the same article, instead of them going on releasing reply in different post altogether, which means that garbage story runs longer than should.

If you look similar articles in TMZ, you see that they have asked estate's reply for many of the stories they are going to run, but at least their reply goes with original post. Stacy B or Daily Fail would never ask the estate's attorney's reply because they want their garbage not being questioned.


The thing is, as long as there are readers for these kind of stories, they keep rolling them out.
Second thing is that if there is 1 bad article of MJ, we see it and spend ages for mullin' over it, but if there is 100 good articles of MJ, we thank the poster and basically that is it. I think we should be clinking hell out of that kind of articles so that publication knows that public reads good articles of MJ:)
 
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