[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's because the focus of the hearing was statutes of limitations. The Estate emphasized several times in their court papers and motions that they deny Robson's allegations against MJ and that those allegations are lies.

I know, and so should William too, but I don't think he has read any court papers because he has no clue what is the name of "estate's young attorney", nor knowledge of what is in the court papers, not to mention no idea what was the hearing about

I can barely contain myself while waiting for Pearl Jr's take of the hearing:bugeyed

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He knew Wade's attorneys by names, but couldn't bother checking out what was the name of the attorney that he kept referring as estate's young attorney.

Exactly :doh:

What was he going on about MJ being dead and not being present? Is he hoaxer too?

As far as I know he isn't but maybe he likes the hoaxers attention so he says things they like to hear.

" I have grave doubts that MJ ever since firing John Branca & that law firm, ever dreamed Weitzman & Branca & firm would ever be representing Michael, 5 years after his public funeral with a claim of alleged "molestation" years after it was too late to file ANY Claim."

I have no idea what he is trying to say here?

I'm with you on this. I think he's trying to insult Branca.

"Robson, running out of easy money was persuaded, by his forensic Dr. ______, that he just did not recognize the abuse as ABUSE. Weird the documents do not reveal the doctors name. Our courts are becoming "Star Chamber" events. Without naming the "witness" or doctor, its just HEAR say. And Hearsay is NOT admissible in court."

What an earth is he talking about forensic Dr? Does he mean the name of therapist that Wade went to see?
That is easy to find if he wanted, but usually those names are blacked out in court documents?

:doh::smilerolleyes:

Yes. He talks about the therapist Wade went to see. The fact their names are blacked out in public court documents doesn't make it a hearsay though :mello:

 

[Bubs]

Yes. He talks about the therapist Wade went to see. The fact their names are blacked out in public court documents doesn't make it a hearsay though :mello:

I wonder why he kept calling Wade therapist as forensic Dr?

1 search on google and I got this:
"The details of the new allegation are sealed by the Los Angeles probate court where Robson’s lawyer filed the claim last week, according to a court document obtained Tuesday by CNN. The deadline has long passed for creditors to file claims against Jackson’s estate, but Robson is asking the probate court to allow him to file a late creditor’s claim. The sealed documents include an affidavit from Dr. David Arrendondo, a San Francisco-based child psychiatrist, the filing said."

 

[HIStory]

I wonder why he kept calling Wade therapist as forensic Dr?

1 search on google and I got this:
"The details of the new allegation are sealed by the Los Angeles probate court where Robson’s lawyer filed the claim last week, according to a court document obtained Tuesday by CNN. The deadline has long passed for creditors to file claims against Jackson’s estate, but Robson is asking the probate court to allow him to file a late creditor’s claim. The sealed documents include an affidavit from Dr. David Arrendondo, a San Francisco-based child psychiatrist, the filing said."

There are two therapists in Robson's court papers. One he went to in May 2012, the other is Arredondo who is vouching for him being a "victim". The law requires another therapist to vouch for him besides his own personal therapist that he went to. It means nothing of course because thing is with psychology you can always find a therapist to vouch for you whatever you claim. Case in point, Daniel Kapon who was supported by Carole Liberman that he was supposedly a credible "victim" and in the end it turned out he never even met MJ. And of course Stanley Katz with Chandler, Arvizo, the McMartin "victims" etc. Psychology is simply not an exact science, a lot of it is just biased opinions. I have no doubt if it went to trial then the Estate too would have their expert psychiatrists telling the exact opposite of what Robson's are claiming.

It's Robson's initial therapist whose name is blocked out. Of course that is not a "forensic Dr" eithter, but probably some regular therapist.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

I wonder why he kept calling Wade therapist as forensic Dr?

1 search on google and I got this:
"The details of the new allegation are sealed by the Los Angeles probate court where Robson’s lawyer filed the claim last week, according to a court document obtained Tuesday by CNN. The deadline has long passed for creditors to file claims against Jackson’s estate, but Robson is asking the probate court to allow him to file a late creditor’s claim. The sealed documents include an affidavit from Dr. David Arrendondo, a San Francisco-based child psychiatrist, the filing said."

I think because Wade saw two therapists. One that helped him realize he can make money and the forensic one that's needed when you file a sexual abuse claim.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^

They don't follow this case as well as we do. Let me tell you something funny - I posted the April 21 hearing date : which was clearly written at the latest document Radar posted. Pearl said she doesn't think the hearing will happen and called it "misinformation" because the court system did not show it under the "civil case summary". That means they still don't realize that there is a civil case AND a probate claim. Probate hearing won't show up under the civil case. Like I said , it's a very missed opportunity. If someone who knew and understaood what was going on attended the hearing, the reporting would have been 1000 times better. But we are getting a conspiracy about Weitzman and attempts to pit against Estate with Tmez mention.

 

[Bubs]

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^^Good one
and in between those two therapists, he went to see lawyer without knowing who to sue.

I didn't know he saw two therapists.

 

[HIStory]

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^^Good one
and in between those two therapists, he went to see lawyer without knowing who to sue.

I didn't know he saw two therapists.

Well, to be precise he saw three. The first one he saw during his first breakdown in mid 2011 but he did not make allegations against MJ to that therapist. In fact, while being in therapy he wrote an e-mail to the Estate telling them he wanted to do the Cirque show badly.

I think Arrendondo is the same therapist who also gave a Certificate of Merit to Safechuck. I think so because there are extracts from both Certificates of Merit (the one written in support of Robson's case and the one written in support of Safechuck's) and they are the exact same, almost word by word. So I think this therapist who is vouching for them might have been contacted through their lawyer.

 

[castor]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is so sad that all these people around Michael always had a hand out for money or whatever benefit they wanted from their relationship with MJ. And some now try to find "alternative ways" of benefitting from their associataion with him. Disgusting vultures.

Karen Faye tweeted something very similar about these bozos:

@beta_niobe: @wingheart yes, but do you believe any of his accusers? well, at least one version of their ever changing stories LOL

Of course not. I was around, as well as their OWN families. I think it's a last ditch effort to extort a big payday for them, driven by greedy lawyers. The boys and their families had a taste of money and fame that they could not ever achieve without Michael. They know they could never look Michael in the eyes and lie when he was alive...but they have no problem going after the ruthless businessmen who stole control over Michael's estate, that lead to his death.

https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/579311278025355264

Also, if this shit goes to trial she could be a witness as she was around MJ and Safechuck a lot.

@beta_niobe: @wingheart thanks "I was around" Were you with MJ on the Bad tour? Did you see MJ and JS interact? Was his mother there too?

Yes...I was even there when they first met also. His mother was always present. RT

https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/579658369633382400

I was thinking this bit in Wade's declaration:
"He also began to fill my head with maxims to live by such as " Be in the history books" and "Immortalise yourself". He also prophesized that I would one day be a film director bigger than Steven Spielberg. As far as I was concerned, Doe 1 had written my fate."

I guess he also had written Corey Feldman's fate when he told him that the would be the next Marlon Brando.
Except Corey Feldman apparently has a functioning brain and understands why MJ said that while Wade Robson is...well...

 

[Justthefacts]

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I don't think anybody would want Karen Faye to take the stand for them

 

[castor]

Going to bring up 3T as an example. Michael signed them too in his productions company and helped them pursue their career. Obviously he was more sentimental with 3T than he was with others. After Why\I Need You they were on their own. Michael helped people to start their career but he couldn't maintain their success forever. He gave people the opportunity to succeed. You can see it as some kind of MJ scholarship (not necessarily cash).

He mentored a lot of kids. Boys and girls there was nothing special about Wade.
Sky Ferreria

Sky Ferreira on being friends with Michael Jackson

Eighteen-year-old singer Sky Ferreira may have just got her big break, but she's no stranger to pop royalty and even holidayed with Michael Jackson when she was growing up.

"He helped me very much. I didn't know how big he was. It never phased me until I was 13. then I realised how big he was."

So with Michael Jackson counted amongst her childhood friends, is he a big influence on her music?
She replies: "Yeah. a lot of my music is a throwback to Prince and Vanity 6. I guess the 80s and 90s pop music - that's my favourite era of pop."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/11010080/sky-ferreira-on-being-friends-with-michael-jackson

Even her grandmother's job – she was a hairdresser – was far from conventional when you take into account that her employer was Michael Jackson.

"She went everywhere with him, so I was always around him and his kids," says Ferreira. "I had birthdays there, I sang gospel music for him – he was kind of my mentor, so he influenced me, but more as a friend than as Michael Jackson, the pop star." When she heard the news of Jackson's death, she says: "Everything just kinda stopped, it was the first death I'd ever experienced. But sometimes something will remind me of him and I feel a lot better."


http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jan/02/sky-ferreira-album-drugs-sexual-abuse-interview

Her shyness meant that her often weekly trips to hang out with family friend Michael Jackson remained a secret (her gran was his hairdresser). "I rarely told anyone. The thing is I didn't know the extent of his fame. I knew he was a singer. I was just too used to it, I guess." There's an obvious fondness for those days spent hanging out at Neverland with her grandmother, a woman she lived with as a child and who she often refers to as her mother.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/apr/05/sky-ferreira-dark-side

Ferreira admitted: "I went to Neverland which was cool a lot. I had birthday parties there but no one ever came to my birthday."

http://www.gigwise.com/news/91774/sky-ferreira-asked-very-awkward-interview-question-on-brazilian-tv

Bryton McClure – “God Bless my friend, Michael Jackson

2009 on Bryton’s official website, he left a message to pay tribute to Michael ~ “God bless my friend Michael Jackson. I cannot begin, he was a major presence for me and my family. His love, his respect, his authority and his kindness were truly amazing. Michael I miss you and I will love you forever. Thank you for some of the best moments of my life” ~ Bryton

https://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress...-mcclure-god-bless-my-friend-michael-jackson/

Kelly Parker, Lala Romero, Nisha Kataria, Alfonso Riberio and of course Omer Batthi whose story is amazingly similar to Robson's, MJ helped his family to move to the US, he was a talented dancer, he
grew up with MJ except he was much closer to him than Robson ever was and of course Omer will never betray him!
Oh and he was a cute kid so they can't even make that argument if you know what I mean.

 

[castor]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think it's a possibility that one can survive demurrer and judge might allow discovery but dismiss that one too at summary judgment when it becomes clear that Robson cannot prove any elements against the corporations.

OK explain this to me like I'm a four year old.

If their claim against the companies survive the Estate's demurrer where the judge has to take everything they say as undisputed facts
that does not automatically mean the case would go to trial?
The next step is summary judgment where Robson has to prove that what he says about the companies is actually true?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

OK explain this to me like I'm a four year old.

lol

If their claim against the companies survive the Estate's demurrer where the judge has to take everything they say as undisputed facts
that does not automatically mean the case would go to trial?
The next step is summary judgment where Robson has to prove that what he says about the companies is actually true?

there are two dismissal possibilities. One is demurrer and the other one is summary judgment.

Demurrer is when "even if the facts alleged in the complaint were true, there is no legal basis for a lawsuit"

That's why the judge accepts everything as true and determines if the lawsuit can be filed based on legal rules.

again think the AEG example I wrote earlier today. Katherine claimed AEG conspired to make MJ attend to the rehearsals. Even if it was true, legal definition of conspiracy requires the act in question to be illegal. Making a person to attend work isn't illegal. So from legal basis there wasn't a conspiracy.

summary judgment on the other hand is "there are no disputes of "material" fact requiring a trial to resolve, and in applying the law to the undisputed facts, one party is clearly entitled to judgment."

summary judgment needs discovery and "A party seeking summary judgment may refer to any evidence that would be admissible at trial, such as depositions (or deposition excerpts), party admissions, affidavits in support from witnesses, documents received during discovery (such as contracts, emails, letters, and certified government documents)."

again the example I gave today: Katherine claimed AEG controlled Michael. This claim survived demurrer, discovery happened, after a summary judgment was filed citing all the discovery. Katherine claimed AEG controlled MJ's healthcare and the financial support they provided controlled MJ. However there was evidence showing MJ visited Klein - hence debunking the claim of AEG controlling his healthcare. Similarly a financial relationship wasn't enough from a legal perspective to show any control. Hence AEG won their summary judgment motion.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Both sides need to come to court for the judge's decision?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Both sides need to come to court for the judge's decision?

no. judge issue a written order and it is sent to both sides.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even though I'm fairly confident the judge will rule for the estate I'm still a little nervous. Because when it comes to Michael common sense isn't always common for some people

 

[PoP]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even though I'm fairly confident the judge will rule for the estate I'm still a little nervous. Because when it comes to Michael common sense isn't always common for some people

I do hope the judge rules in the Estate's favour. If he doesn't, then I'll keep blasting the damned justice system off.

 

[castor]

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And Wagener's comment about not hiring 'Hurricane' Mesereau is the dot on the I of irrelevance. Criminal law attorney and so forth.

he also did civil cases not just criminal.
And yes Wagener is right about that, noone could defend MJ more effectively against this nonsense than TM simply because he actually knew him rather well,
knew the ins and outs of his relationship with kids including Robson because you can be sure they did discuss that, knew what Robson did in 2005 and
is absolutely convinced that MJ's innocent. While Weitzman...frankly he doesn't give a rat ass about MJ and never did.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You don't know that. So let's not go there

 

[castor]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

There are two therapists in Robson's court papers. One he went to in May 2012, the other is Arredondo who is vouching for him being a "victim". The law requires another therapist to vouch for him besides his own personal therapist that he went to. It means nothing of course because thing is with psychology you can always find a therapist to vouch for you whatever you claim. Case in point, Daniel Kapon who was supported by Carole Liberman that he was supposedly a credible "victim" and in the end it turned out he never even met MJ. And of course Stanley Katz with Chandler, Arvizo, the McMartin "victims" etc. Psychology is simply not an exact science, a lot of it is just biased opinions. I have no doubt if it went to trial then the Estate too would have their expert psychiatrists telling the exact opposite of what Robson's are claiming.

It's Robson's initial therapist whose name is blocked out. Of course that is not a "forensic Dr" eithter, but probably some regular therapist.

So Robson went to the same therapist twice? After his first "nervous breakdown" and after the second?
And then he went to Arrendondo?

Or he changed therapist from the first to the second "breakdown" and then went to a third one which is Arrendondo?

 

[HIStory]

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So Robson went to the same therapist twice? After his first "nervous breakdown" and after the second?
And then he went to Arrendondo?

No he went to three therapists. In May 2011 during his first breakdown he attended a cognitive therapist. According to his complaint he did not make any allegations about MJ to that therapist. Then he had his second breakdown a year later and went to a different therapist in May 2012 - an insight-oriented therapist. This is the therapist to whom he first made allegations about MJ. And then Arredondo - I suppose he went to him after meeting his lawyers. It seems to me that Arredondo was arranged by his lawyers. He is the therapist who wrote the Certificate of Merit in support of his complaint. The law requires that therapist to be another than his own therapists.

 

[castor]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

lol

again the example I gave today: Katherine claimed AEG controlled Michael. This claim survived demurrer, discovery happened, after a summary judgment was filed citing all the discovery. Katherine claimed AEG controlled MJ's healthcare and the financial support they provided controlled MJ. However there was evidence showing MJ visited Klein - hence debunking the claim of AEG controlling his healthcare. Similarly a financial relationship wasn't enough from a legal perspective to show any control. Hence AEG won their summary judgment motion.

Then how is it that it went to trial?

No he went to three therapists. In May 2011 during his first breakdown he attended a cognitive therapist. According to his complaint he did not make any allegations about MJ to that therapist. Then he had his second breakdown a year later and went to a different therapist in May 2012 - an insight-oriented therapist. This is the therapist to whom he first made allegations about MJ. And then Arredondo - I suppose he went to him after meeting his lawyers. It seems to me that Arredondo was arranged by his lawyers. He is the therapist who wrote the Certificate of Merit in support of his complaint. The law requires that therapist to be another than his own therapists.

So between the first two therapists it became clear to him that he won't do the MJ Immortal.
What a coincidence!
When exactly did he go to a lawyer?

 

[HIStory]

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So between the first two therapists it became clear to him that he won't do the MJ Immortal.
What a coincidence!

Yes, exactly.

When exactly did he go to a lawyer?

According to his complaint in March 2013.

 

[castor]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, exactly.



According to his complaint in March 2013.

So he didn't know he could sue the Estate but he hired a lawyer....to do exactly what if he didn't know he could sue the Estate?

And was he ever considered to do MJ One? Or did he ever want to do that show?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Then how is it that it went to trial?

that specific claim didn't. katherine had 5 claims. 2 of them got dismissed during demurrer, and 2 got dismissed during summary judgment.

 

[HIStory]

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And was he ever considered to do MJ One? Or did he ever want to do that show?

How could we know that?

For all we know, the "offer" he got from the Estate could have been about One (and maybe the hater website mistakenly talks about Immortal), but apparently it never got past casual talks, so that July 30, 2011 video of him talking as if he is signed to do it is delusional either way and it shows, along with the "I want to do it badly" e-mail in May 2011 that he WAS eager to do it. And actually, despite of what he claims in his complaint, it wasn't his breakdown why he did not get that project, nor his movie. Putting together the dates from all of his court papers: he quit the movie in April 2011 (so before he sent that mail about wanting to do Cirque badly). He had this breakdown around that time - in April 2011 - so probably that's why he quit the movie. He went into therapy on May 16, 2011. But he was still writing an e-mail to the Estate about wanting to do the Cirque show badly on May 21, 2011. Then according to his own timeline in his own papers by July 2011 he returned to work with his "former sense of invincibility". And on July 30, 2011 he is on tape talking as if he is definitely doing the Cirque show.

 

[castor]

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How could we know that?

For all we know, the "offer" he got from the Estate could have been about One (and maybe the hater website mistakenly talks about Immortal), but apparently it never got past casual talks, so that July 30, 2011 video of him talking as if he is signed to do it is delusional either way and it shows, along with the "I want to do it badly" e-mail in May 2011 that he WAS eager to do it. And actually, despite of what he claims in his complaint, it wasn't his breakdown why he did not get that project, nor his movie. Putting together the dates from all of his court papers: he quit the movie in April 2011 (so before he sent that mail about wanting to do Cirque badly). He had this breakdown around that time - in April 2011 - so probably that's why he quit the movie. He went into therapy on May 16, 2011. But he was still writing an e-mail to the Estate about wanting to do the Cirque show badly on May 21, 2011. Then according to his own timeline in his own papers by July 2011 he returned to work with his "former sense of invincibility". And on July 30, 2011 he is on tape talking as if he is definitely doing the Cirque show.

He knew in May 2012 that he was going to sue the Estate.
I just wonder what he was doing between May 2012 and March 2013

He was still talking about MJ in July 2012 like everything was OK with him, no sign of "hey this guy raped me" realization at all:

 

[dannyboy72]

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He knew in May 2012 that he was going to sue the Estate.
I just wonder what he was doing between May 2012 and March 2013

He was still talking about MJ in July 2012 like everything was OK with him, no sign of "hey this guy raped me" realization at all:

that interview did not take place in July 2012. It was in March 2012.

 

[castor]

I wonder how he was doing the moonwalk every 15 minutes after he was abused. He must have been in quite a mood. Of course we now know that he enjoyed being molested so anything is possible in
Wade Robson's own Neverland.

I remember the first time he taught me the moonwalk at the dance studio at Neverland. I was 7, I think.
I remember standing at the ballet barre and him teaching me to push back one foot at a time, teaching me the weight distribution on the balls of the feet.
“Now just go, push off, and fly!” he said. That night I couldn’t sleep. I had to get up every 15 minutes and do it again.

http://www.dancemagazine.com/issues/september-2009/Remembering-Michael-Jackson#sthash.667ueNYu.dpuf

It's also extremely convenient that Charlie Michaels was at the right place at the right time, just at the moment when MJ grabbed Robson's crotch
and apparently MJ again didn't care if someone could see that the was molesting a boy.

No it was not some other employee who didn't sue MJ and didn't ran to Hard Copy for money.
It was Charlie Michaels who was there at the dance studio when MJ and Robson were there too.

Didn't that studio have a door?
And wasn't it the one place where noone was allowed to go in without MJ's permission?
According to Azya Pryor it was.

I wonder how Michaels could see anything that was happening inside the studio.


Also, Robson's suplemental statement of undisputed facts they cite various parts of Francia's testimony.
How can they call these "undisputed facts" when obviously they were very much disputed during the trial
and Francia herself contradicted herself, not to mention that she could go in MJ's room while Robson and MJ were in bed
is completely contradicted by Robson's own claim in his complaint that it was an unwritten rule that nobody was allowed in his room while MJ was in there.

Also, what is it with Francia always seeing MJ and a boy with half naked in a a bed?

Francia saw Jackson and Robson watching TV in bed together one two occasions.
On one occasion both Jackson and Robson were naked from the waist up.

http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/MJcase-signed.pdf

I can't imagine MJ letting an employee let alone a woman see him half-naked, there was testimony in 2005 by other employees that he was very private and never changed clothes in front of others,
and that's just one problem with this story.
The other one is that Francia talked about no such thing in her 2005 testimony at all!
So where the hell did Marzano get this shit?

 

[Tygger]

Court was over by 9:40 am on Tuesday. But in the Hall way Howard Weitzman, seemed very happy and in a friendlier than most, gesture, grabed the male Attorney for Robson, and Twiggy, could it on camera see below. Howard was very pleased. and even happy. When I asked him if "this was the end of it?" he mumbled indistinctly, so I asked Robson's attorney Maryann Marzano, she said, if Judge ruled in favor of the Estate, "we will appeal", and if she lost appeal , she would appeal to the State Supreme Court, and if Robson lost there…. on and on to the "U.S. Supreme court."

MY gut feeling is that this is just to dirty my MJ legacy, and diminish his message, which was to "Heal the World, make it a better place". But if they appeal it to the US Supremes, that is more money for the Estate Attorneys to pay themselves, and … if they SETTLE out of COURT then ALL attorneys will get paid from the ESTATE of MJ.

I can not help wondering who is going to be paying Robson legal fees.

While Wagener may not understand why Michael’s innocence was not defended during the hearing, his view on the financials in this situation is correct.