[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bubs]

I also find it amazing that Safechuck didn't need any daily phone calls in 1993 to know what to tell the police but Wade?
He was different. MJ called him every day to make sure he was properly brainwashed into a complete idiot.

Maybe Safejunk didn't need daily phone calls because MJ made sure by marrying him that he doesn't speak?
Maybe MJ should have marry Wade too, it would have saved him lots of time on the phone and coaching him?

I'm sorry for the joke, but sometimes these two makes me laugh with their vivid imagination.

Maybe Wade realized that, too……

He met his idol when he was a little kid, they even stayed in contact, became friends. Michael invited him to Neverland, tried to help the family after moving to the US and told Wade how talented he was, how successful he could be in the future, encouraged him to pursue his dreams.

When Michael was in need, Wade told the truth on the witness stand.

After Michaels passing he continuously praised Michael and he hoped to tie his name to Michael’s, wanted to become involved in the Cirque shows, wanted to become a part of Michael’s legacy project.

When he didn’t get the Cirque job, he began to realize that the Wade/Michael connection had come to a dead end. And Michael was no longer there.

And maybe than it dawned on him, that Michael didn’t hire him to be his choreographer/dancer for TII. That speaks volumes. Michael always selected and hired the best professionals and that’s what he wanted for his comeback tour. I guess it was LMP who once said “Mediocrity never was an option for Michael”.

Anger, frustration, ego problems, nervous breakdown, he went totally nuts and came to the bizarre conclusion that Michael owed him big time. He wanted his share, no matter what and came up with the most horrible lies and disgusting accusations of all.

I hope and pray that the judge will kick him out.

I think Michael wanted to help many young kids and adults by giving them first step in their career path and taught them mind mapping how to reach it, but he never made career for them. I think he wanted them to carve careers out of hard work and practice as he did when he was a kid. Some of these people got disappointed (or went downright crazy) that being around MJ or being his friend didn't give automatically give them certain status or career.
I call it false sense of entitlement, and you can see that false entitlement with many people that were around MJ.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He seems like the type of judge that likes to cover his butt. Given people to fix things before he rules. I like ivy I just can't see him ignoring the rules. And I don't think any judge wants there rulings turned over by a higher court. Think about it if he were to rule in wafe's any person can claim anything about a dead person. The person could be dead for 50 years

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think Michael wanted to help many young kids and adults by giving them first step in their career path and taught them mind mapping how to reach it, but he never made career for them. I think he wanted them to carve careers out of hard work and practice as he did when he was a kid. Some of these people got disappointed (or went downright crazy) that being around MJ or being his friend didn't give automatically give them certain status or career.
I call it false sense of entitlement, and you can see that false entitlement with many people that were around MJ.

Exactly.

Robson had a career but apparently not in the heights of success that he imagined for himself (new Spielberg, international superstar) and when his familial mental illness kicked in it must have dawned on him that it's never going to happen. And frankly, also because he just does not have that kind of talent. He is a good choreographer and that's it. He was never going to be anything more than that. He is not a good director IMO (judging from his short films on YouTube), he is not a great musician or songwriter (despite of all the self-praising hyperboles in his complaint) - and whatever little talent he might have had in those areas it peaked in the early 2000s anyway. And when I read Safechuck's declaration it became clear that he too hoped for some sort of showbiz career. But he never achieved anything there, except for having some sort of garage band or something. It seems to me that he expected Michael to make a career for him in either music or film making, but instead he has to live the boring life of a boring small town web developer working 9 to 5, oh that sucks.

It is so sad that all these people around Michael always had a hand out for money or whatever benefit they wanted from their relationship with MJ. And some now try to find "alternative ways" of benefitting from their associataion with him. Disgusting vultures.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Exactly.

Robson had a career but apparently not in the heights of success that he imagined for himself (new Spielberg, international superstar) and when his familial mental illness kicked in it must have dawned on him that it's never going to happen. And frankly, also because he just does not have that kind of talent. He is a good choreographer and that's it. He was never going to be anything more than that. He is not a good director IMO (judging from his short films on YouTube), he is not a great musician or songwriter (despite of all the self-praising hyperboles in his complaint) - and whatever little talent he might have had in those areas it peaked in the early 2000s anyway. And when I read Safechuck's declaration it became clear that he too hoped for some sort of showbiz career. But he never achieved anything there, except for having some sort of garage band or something. It seems to me that he expected Michael to make a career for him in either music or film making, but instead he has to live the boring life of a boring small town web developer working 9 to 5, oh that sucks.

It is so sad that all these people around Michael always had a hand out for money or whatever benefit they wanted from their relationship with MJ. And some now try to find "alternative ways" of benefitting from their associataion with him. Disgusting vultures.

I was thinking this bit in Wade's declaration:
"He also began to fill my head with maxims to live by such as " Be in the history books" and "Immortalise yourself". He also prophesized that I would one day be a film director bigger than Steven Spielberg. As far as I was concerned, Doe 1 had written my fate."

I believe that could be part of his declaration that is true, but that is mind mapping that Frank was talking about in his book. It wasn't MJ's fault that Wade is so stupid that he took it literally, or he couldn't make himself bigger than Spielberg. He just didn't have what was required to get there or wasn't willing to work hard for it.

Ps, here is and article about MJ and mind mapping
http://knowwithoutborders.org/visual-thinking-with-mind-mapping/
He must have studied mind mapping for years and lived by it.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Going to bring up 3T as an example. Michael signed them too in his productions company and helped them pursue their career. Obviously he was more sentimental with 3T than he was with others. After Why\I Need You they were on their own. Michael helped people to start their career but he couldn't maintain their success forever. He gave people the opportunity to succeed. You can see it as some kind of MJ scholarship (not necessarily cash).

By the way, Michael could easily bribe Wade with proffesional collaborations and things like that. The fact he didn't is very telling. Instead, Wade claims alleged intimidating phone calls which no one can prove.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was thinking this bit in Wade's declaration:
"He also began to fill my head with maxims to live by such as " Be in the history books" and "Immortalise yourself". He also prophesized that I would one day be a film director bigger than Steven Spielberg. As far as I was concerned, Doe 1 had written my fate."

I believe that could be part of his declaration that is true, but that is mind mapping that Frank was talking about in his book. It wasn't MJ's fault that Wade is so stupid that he took it literally, or he couldn't make himself bigger than Spielberg. He just didn't have what was required to get there or wasn't willing to work hard for it.

Oh I believe that MJ was telling him such things. That's something very typically Michael would say and we know he did say such things to people around him. It's to motivate people, especially kids and I think Michael did believe in this ideal that if you believe in something strong enough and if you work for it nothing is out of reach. The thing that Michael might not have factored in these motivational speeches is that not everyone has the same type of talent as he does. Most people do not. Hard work and belief can take you only that far without sufficient talent. Well, even MJ did not have the talent to become a new Spielberg, no matter how much he loved and wanted to do films. But that was not his talent. His talent was music, dance, songwriting, creating music videos, performing. A healthy minded person however can accept failures and can face the reality of his talent's boundaries. A healthy minded person does not become entitled and bitter to the person who "prophesized" to him as a kid that he would become this and that if he does not turn out to be this and that. It's obvious that Robson is a mentally ill person with entitlement issues and greed. Safechuck too seems to have entitlement issues, but maybe he just saw the bandwagon and jumped on it out of pure cynical greed, who knows.

 

[seany]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Two things.

Firstly I remember when I was younger watching some MTV show with Wade Robson where he did a whole tribute to MJ... Danced to Smooth Criminal, Thriller, Billie Jean etc... Has anyone got that? Fascinating to think he had so much admiration to a person who allegedly carried out such hineous (false) acts against him. I'm utterly perplexed.

Secondly, there's a dude reporting from inside the probate court room yesterday on Facebook called William Wagner. I met him during the 2005 trial in Santa Maria. He's harmless albeit a bit loco.. He has pics of Howard Weitzman. I've taken screen shots so can email them to someone so they can post here? I'm not sure how to do it exactly.

My email is - mrseanokane@gmail.com

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The Wade Robson Project - Michael Jackson Tribute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYbLsNuUH0s

to post pictures here you can use servers like Tinypic and post the link with this code

 

[ivy]

Secondly, there's a dude reporting from inside the probate court room yesterday on Facebook called William Wagner. I met him during the 2005 trial in Santa Maria. He's harmless albeit a bit loco.. He has pics of Howard Weitzman. I've taken screen shots so can email them to someone so they can post here? I'm not sure how to do it exactly.

Sean, the picture has been posted here before. I'll quote it. I'll also copy WW's update below the picture.

TWIGGY @MJHOAXLIVE · 2 min Weitzman is grabbing the arm of the man who is opposing counsel. He sure has a big smile on his face!!

So apparently that is Gradstein, Robson's lawyer.

From W.W.

"This Morning, the hearing ACTUALLY happened. with Howard Weitzman arriving last, and Judge Beckloff came out and took the Judges Bench as soon as Howard arrived. Howard W. announced he was here to represent the ESTATE of MICHAEL JACKSON, [along with 3 other attorneys], and he sat down and let a younger attorney present their side. The younger attorney did a fair job of arguing, but i never heard him say, MJ was incapable of molesting, raping or injuring a child, as MJ himself said in a well known video. Instead, he argued the Statue of Limitations are there for a valid reason. And that Robson's attorneys, Gradstein & Marzano were basically trying to re-write the law, so
they could go ahead with the case, which was filed too late.
Equitable Estopple and Privity. Discussed a lot. Robson was not present. But he could have been. Michael Jackson also was NOT personally present, in the flesh, having been declared legally dead by the L.A. Cornoner almost 6 years ago. The difference is Michael could NOT be there, even if he wanted to be, and I have grave doubts that MJ ever since firing John Branca & that law firm, ever dreamed Weitzman & Branca & firm would ever be representing Michael, 5 years after his public funeral with a claim of alleged "molestation" years after it was too late to file ANY Claim.
It is particularly weird, also, that I personally saw ROBSON testify in 2005 in the bogus Arvizo case, that MJ never molested him, Robson. And when asked by prosecutor Auchincloss, asked Robson if maybe Robson was sleeping when MJ molested him. Robson laughed and said, "I think that would have woke me up" or words to that effect. I was in the courtroom watching Robson's body language and words, and he was telling the truth in 2005. He had months to think about it, and even came from Australia to testify FOR Michael Jackson.
The Law is clear. You must file your claim for ANY thing against the decedents ESTATE in a limited time, and it was long past when in May 2012, Robson, running out of easy money was persuaded, by his forensic Dr. ______, that he just did not recognize the abuse as ABUSE. Weird the documents do not reveal the doctors name. Our courts are becoming "Star Chamber" events.
Marzano, tried really hard to stretch the Statute of Limitation, and argued her "Fact #" this and that. After the hearing Pearl jr., Twiggy & I went and got that April 7th filing with the alleged "facts". And first thing I noticed is the forensic Psychologist name was blanked out. So we can not even check to see what this "professional" head shrinker's past record performance shows. This is like a woman claiming she was raped and Dr. _____ was an eye witness. Without naming the "witness" or doctor, its just HEAR say. And Hearsay is NOT admissible in court.
Other than that blatant obvious omission, ESTATE of MJ young attorney failed to point that out, but other wise made a argument that in the 15th century King Henry confiscated a nobleman's Estate, because his grandfather had committed Treason! Point was, the "Liability" can not follow the "property" for an endless length of time.
I think the ESTATE argued valid point. If this statute of Limitations can be stretched this far… then there will be NO STATUE of LIMITATIONS.
Robson's attorney added, "New law is made" every year.
Judge Beckloff tried to give the Estate Attorneys the "last bite of the apple", but Robsons attorney remarked again, which triggered Estate Attorney memory, on and on…
bottom Line,
Judge Beckloff said he would issue a ruling in a "couple of days".
Court was over by 9:40 am on Tuesday. But in the Hall way Howard Weitzman, seemed very happy and in a friendlier than most, gesture, grabed the male Attorney for Robson, and Twiggy, could it on camera see below. Howard was very pleased. and even happy. When I asked him if "this was the end of it?" he mumbled indistinctly, so I asked Robson's attorney Maryann Marzano, she said, if Judge ruled in favor of the Estate, "we will appeal", and if she lost appeal , she would appeal to the State Supreme Court, and if Robson lost there…. on and on to the "U.S. Supreme court."
MY gut feeling is that this is just to dirty my MJ legacy, and diminish his message, which was to "Heal the World, make it a better place". But if they appeal it to the US Supremes, that is more money for the Estate Attorneys to pay themselves, and … if they SETTLE out of COURT then ALL attorneys will get paid from the ESTATE of MJ.
The allegations are ridiculous, and the late filing is even more ridiculous. Thomas "HURRICANE" Mesereau knows how to win a case. I can not help feeling that if the Estate Attorneys had outsourced this defense to "Hurricane" Mesereau, this case would already have been buried with all the other bogus cases.
I can not help wondering who is going to be paying Robson legal fees.
[video will be up in 2 days]

 

[HIStory]

I think the ESTATE argued valid point. If this statute of Limitations can be stretched this far… then there will be NO STATUE of LIMITATIONS.
Robson's attorney added, "New law is made" every year.

Is it me, or based on this it looks like even Robson's side knows their arguments do not fly? They just want the Judge to set a new precedent. Which precedent, if indeed set, would basically do away statutes of limitations in general. Then anyone could claim something like Robson does and the danger of someone extorting money out of them would never end for all Estates, even many, many years after someone's death.

When I asked him if "this was the end of it?" he mumbled indistinctly, so I asked Robson's attorney Maryann Marzano, she said, if Judge ruled in favor of the Estate, "we will appeal", and if she lost appeal , she would appeal to the State Supreme Court, and if Robson lost there…. on and on to the "U.S. Supreme court."

Oh, I have no doubt they would appeal. I mean for Robson this is a matter of life or death, since he does not really seem to have any regular income. So I'm sure he would go with the appeals as far as he could. While that is distressing but the good side of it would be that as long as the case remains in the court system I think more or less he would have to watch himself in terms of media-whoring activity.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was hoping the decision would be yesterday. I'm staying signed on thru cell so I can ck constantly.
Good defense arguments and "new laws are made every day" are up to the Legislature.

And of course they would appeal. They'd get a huge hunk of any money if they'd win. That's the ONLY reason they took this fraudulent case.

I really hope it gets thrown out today.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is it me, or based on this it looks like even Robson's side knows their arguments do not fly? They just want the Judge to set a new precedent. Which precedent, if indeed set, would basically do away statutes of limitations in general. Then anyone could claim something like Robson does and the danger of someone extorting money out of them would never end for all Estates, even many, many years after someone's death.

I thought exactly the same thing. they know they want the judge to create a new law / a new precedent. they know it's not likely. and the reasons you listed and we mentioned before is why it won't fly. They can appeal all they want, they won't have a leg to stand. Not only they have been given all the discovery they want but they have also been given a lot of time. I know for some fans why this took so much time was hard to understand but I wrote this before, I think Beckloff gave them all the chance to make their case, gave them everything they wanted. so they won't have any basis for successful appeal. I think Robson's lawyers quote to the media makes more sense - that they would pursue the corporations. I was talking to a few fans and I think it's a possibility that one can survive demurrer and judge might allow discovery but dismiss that one too at summary judgment when it becomes clear that Robson cannot prove any elements against the corporations.

 

[myosotis]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

so when do you expect the judge's ruling?

I hope he waits until after the weekend. Robson (and Safechuck) deserve to sweat.
I feel confident that this will eventually be thrown out, even if it does go all the way to the Supreme court on appeal.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was talking to a few fans and I think it's a possibility that one can survive demurrer and judge might allow discovery but dismiss that one too at summary judgment when it becomes clear that Robson cannot prove any elements against the corporations.

Why do you think it can survive demurrer? I do not see in the companies lawsuit anything that may help them survive demurrer. What is it that you see?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why do you think it can survive demurrer? I do not see in the companies lawsuit anything that may help them survive demurrer. What is it that you see?

well demurrer means the judge rules that there's no legal basis. if there's a question about the claims, it should survive the demurrer, discovery happen and reevaluated at summary judgment.

I want to remind examples from KJ- AEG. For example she claimed AEG conspired to make MJ to attend to rehearsals. In legal definition of conspiracy, it should be something illegal, making sure someone shows up for work isn't illegal. so even though it might have happened, it didn't satisfy the legal requirement. it got dismissed during demurrer. Secondly KJ claimed AEG had control over MJ, it could have been true or not, it wasn't clear from the start, it survived demurrer, judge allowed discovery. after discovery during summary judgment she dismissed that claim because KJ wasn't able to show enough evidence, financial support wasn't enough for control and MJ showed independent behavior by Klein visits. So only after discovery judge was able to determine there isn't enough to satisfy the legal requirement for it.

Now going back to Robson. The statute of limitations to sue a corporation is until 26 yrs old. but there is an exception. if you can show the corporation knew the abuse , had power to do something but did nothing statute of limitations doesn't apply. This is why I'm saying it could survive the demurrer and judge might want to see discovery, depositions etc. before he says "nope, you can't satisfy the exception rule" and dismiss it during summary judgment.

By the way I'm not saying, judge will rule in Robson's favor in regards to corporations demurrer. I see it more like a 50-50 that it could go either way. for probate claims I'm a lot more confident - like 90% - that judge will dismiss them and won't set a new precedent. And regardless of how he rules during demurrer, I don't think any of this would survive summary judgment and it would get dismissed then.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What a sad thing that we don't have anyone else in LA reporting other than WW and 2 MJ death hoaxers

I guess WW's heart is in the right place but that report is all over the place

"ESTATE of MJ young attorney failed to point that out, but other wise made a argument that in the 15th century King Henry confiscated a nobleman's Estate, because his grandfather had committed Treason! Point was, the "Liability" can not follow the "property" for an endless length of time."

I would like to read proper arguments from both sides, but that sound like good argument to me.What stops people going on suing estates decades after decades if there isn't law to stop at some stage.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ But Ivy do not forget that the Estate's demurrer against Robson's lawsuit against MJ companies was already sustained once. Only Robson was given a chance to amend it. Now, we do not see his second amended complaint, but we saw the Estate's reply to that - their new demurrer. From that to me it did not look like Robson could add much more compared to the first one. The only new element was that little tidbit about Norma Staikos supposedly telling someone "do not leave kids alone with MJ", which I just cannot see how it would be enough to make them survive demurrerer because even if we pretend it happened and she said that and even if we pretend she said that because she "knew something" re. MJ's relationship with kids (in actuality, let's not forget she testified in front of the Grand Jury in 1994 and never claimed to have seen or known any wrongdoing, but let's play devil's advocate for a moment) - so even so, fact is it would not matter from the POV of the demurrer since Norma Staikos was not Michael's boss, but Michael was hers. She did not have any power or authority over Michael. A company has to have some sort of power or authority over a person to be made responsible for alleged abuse by that person.

ETA: And discovery. Wasn't that already given to them? So if they had discovered anything that could help them with the companies lawsuit they would have included that in their amended complaint.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What a sad thing that we don't have anyone else in LA reporting other than WW and 2 MJ death hoaxers

I guess WW's heart is in the right place but that report is all over the place

"ESTATE of MJ young attorney failed to point that out, but other wise made a argument that in the 15th century King Henry confiscated a nobleman's Estate, because his grandfather had committed Treason! Point was, the "Liability" can not follow the "property" for an endless length of time."

I would like to read proper arguments from both sides, but that sound like good argument to me.What stops people going on suing estates decades after decades if there isn't law to stop at some stage.

I didn't get this part at all

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What a sad thing that we don't have anyone else in LA reporting other than WW and 2 MJ death hoaxers

I guess WW's heart is in the right place but that report is all over the place

I thought exactly the same. such a missed opportunity. I think they don't necessarily follow or understand what's happening so the reporting stays superficial.

I didn't get this part at all

what part? King Henry? He confiscated an asset from a grandkid because of the actions of the grandfather. In other words it was "I'll take your assets because your grandafter committed treason", grandkid being punished for the actions of the grandfather. The argument is an extreme example of what could happen without statute of limitations - that claims can be brought decades later -30,40,50,60 yrs later- that your grandkids would be in a position to defend or experience negative consequences.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What a sad thing that we don't have anyone else in LA reporting other than WW and 2 MJ death hoaxers

I guess WW's heart is in the right place but that report is all over the place

"ESTATE of MJ young attorney failed to point that out, but other wise made a argument that in the 15th century King Henry confiscated a nobleman's Estate, because his grandfather had committed Treason! Point was, the "Liability" can not follow the "property" for an endless length of time."

I would like to read proper arguments from both sides, but that sound like good argument to me.What stops people going on suing estates decades after decades if there isn't law to stop at some stage.

That is quite sad. 2 MJ death hoaxers who will see a suspicious sign in the weather and William Wagener who collected money from fans for a project that never happened.

And Wagener's comment about not hiring 'Hurricane' Mesereau is the dot on the I of irrelevance. Criminal law attorney and so forth. Wagener has been a conspiracy guy for so long that he doesn't notice anymore how he mixes relevant and irrelevant. And is that a typo? Tarnish HIS MJ legacy? Did Wagener just say 'tarnish my MJ legacy'? That better be a weird typo.

I was hoping to get a more objective report, but unfortunately only MJ death hoaxers and a conspiracy dude were present.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

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I didn't get this part at all

I'm glad that the estate pointed out that 'kin liability' and 'collective punishment' (I.e. Double weirdness - seeking punishment of estate and heirs when 'punishment worthy' acts are only alleged, not proven) is just not a reality.

Hoping that the judge will mention and point out statue of limitations exist for a reason and that kin liability NOT being practiced is a good thing.

I mean, what's next? Trying a legally declared dead person in a court of law - in absentia, perhaps?

 

[ivy]

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And Wagener's comment about not hiring 'Hurricane' Mesereau is the dot on the I of irrelevance. Criminal law attorney and so forth. Wagener has been a conspiracy guy for so long that he doesn't notice anymore how he mixes relevant and irrelevant.

yeah that's an example of not understanding what's happening here. there's a complaint of why Michael could not have molested anyone not being mentioned. This is a hearing about whether to allow a late claim or not, so it is all about timing of the claim. It's not about if the claim is true or not. Secondly I don't think TMez or any other lawyer can speed up a legal process. This specific Robson probate claim took this time because Robson asked for discovery and time to look over discovery. Estate objected to them both but judge granted them both. Tmez is a good lawyer but he cannot control or change the process and what the judge will allow or not.

 

[barbee0715]

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I thought WW comment about molestation was uncalled for here since we're talking about the law.

I also thought the King Henry parallel was a good one.
Kinda pointing out that this case is almost medieval in its reasoning. We don't want to go back to those times of senseless law.

 

[ivy]

Radar

Decision Time! Judge To Rule In Michael Jackson Sex Abuse Case Brought By Wade Robson
Posted on Apr 23, 2015 @ 4:16AM

A judge is ready to rule if Michael Jackson’s alleged sex abuse victim, Wade Robson, will be allowed to proceed with a late creditor’s claim against the late singer’s estate, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Robson’s attorneys battled it out in court Tuesday, arguing that the claim should be allowed to proceed, even though it was filed four years after Jackson’s death. They say that it wasn’t until Robson began therapy that the choreographer realized he was allegedly molested by Jackson. Robson had been a star witness for Jackson during the 2005 molestation trial in Santa Maria, and testified the singer had never sexually abused him.

Maryann Marzano, one of Robson’s attorney’s, said her client believed the alleged sexual activity was consensual because Jackson had brainwashed him.

Meanwhile lawyers for Jackson’s estate argued the claim shouldn’t be allowed to proceed because it was filed after the deadline. Even if Judge Mitchell Beckloff allows the creditor’s claim to proceed, the estate said it would be rejected, forcing the case into civil court.

Robson has previously said in legal documents he had been sexually abused by Jackson from 1990 – 1997.

Judge Beckloff said he would have a written ruling within the next few days.

Story developing.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Radar two days late

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isn't it a late update about Tuesday? :scratch:

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That is quite sad. 2 MJ death hoaxers who will see a suspicious sign in the weather and William Wagener who collected money from fans for a project that never happened.

And Wagener's comment about not hiring 'Hurricane' Mesereau is the dot on the I of irrelevance. Criminal law attorney and so forth. Wagener has been a conspiracy guy for so long that he doesn't notice anymore how he mixes relevant and irrelevant. And is that a typo? Tarnish HIS MJ legacy? Did Wagener just say 'tarnish my MJ legacy'? That better be a weird typo.

I was hoping to get a more objective report, but unfortunately only MJ death hoaxers and a conspiracy dude were present.

I didn't know he was conspiracy guy as I have been following what he is up to for a long time.

Yes, I caught that slip "my Michael legacy" and thought is he fan in love with MJ or what

Lots of irrelevant stuff when he could have write decent report what was going on.
He knew Wade's attorneys by names, but couldn't bother checking out what was the name of the attorney that he kept referring as estate's young attorney.

What was he going on about MJ being dead and not being present? Is he hoaxer too?

" I have grave doubts that MJ ever since firing John Branca & that law firm, ever dreamed Weitzman & Branca & firm would ever be representing Michael, 5 years after his public funeral with a claim of alleged "molestation" years after it was too late to file ANY Claim."

I have no idea what he is trying to say here?

"Robson, running out of easy money was persuaded, by his forensic Dr. ______, that he just did not recognize the abuse as ABUSE. Weird the documents do not reveal the doctors name. Our courts are becoming "Star Chamber" events. Without naming the "witness" or doctor, its just HEAR say. And Hearsay is NOT admissible in court."

What an earth is he talking about forensic Dr? Does he mean the name of therapist that Wade went to see?
That is easy to find if he wanted, but usually those names are blacked out in court documents?

" The younger attorney did a fair job of arguing, but i never heard him say, MJ was incapable of molesting, raping or injuring a child, as MJ himself said in a well known video. Instead, he argued the Statue of Limitations are there for a valid reason."

:doh::smilerolleyes:

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

perhaps they are getting ready for the ruling

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah but they act like the hearing is going on right now. Not two days ago

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

" The younger attorney did a fair job of arguing, but i never heard him say, MJ was incapable of molesting, raping or injuring a child, as MJ himself said in a well known video. Instead, he argued the Statue of Limitations are there for a valid reason."

:doh::smilerolleyes:

That's because the focus of the hearing was statutes of limitations. The Estate emphasized several times in their court papers and motions that they deny Robson's allegations against MJ and that those allegations are lies.