[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He looks like he is addicted to something now
 
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I think his was sustained because he said he told Michael not to call me again, proving that he could break away from Michael


No, the judge specifically mentioned that Safechuck claimed he told his mother in 2005 that he was abused.
Which contradicted his other claim that he didn't realize the illicit nature of the sex acts until he went into therapy in 2013.

If he had sustained it because the phone calls stopped in 2005 that would mean he was accepting the principle of e. estoppel in this case, which is without precedent.
There is not one case anywhere in the US where the executors of an Estate were estopped because of the actions of the decedent.

He looks like he is addicted to something now


Not to be picky but pretty much everyone is addicted to something, even if they don't know about it.

Meanwhile, I found a gif showing MJ molesting boy:

https://twitter.com/shemjacksonbad/status/510548683952504832


Call the cops!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am not sure, but have you seen Robsons behaviour during the years, especially during his shocking interview in 2013 about MJ, because it seems to me like he was ... kind of... addicted to something...
His eyes, the style of behavior, the face features, the hair style.
I have seen and talked to a few people addicted to alcohol or drugs and... they have some particular face/behavioral features that are very easily recognisable by addicted people or after a rehab!

Is there something he is hiding?

He certainly lost weight. On his website he said he became a vegetarian now (supposedly that helps him to heal from abuse :smilerolleyes:) so I guess that's why he lost weight. But even considering that he looks crappy now. I don't necessarily think that's because addiction (but who knows) but it could be because of his mental illness. Which of course has nothing to do with Michael. It runs in his family on his father's side.
 
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I just remember that part stuck out in my mind about thephone call. Think about it AlbertEinstein died in 1955 a one night stand he had with a chick who lied about herage ten years before he died could suehis estate saying she was raped and hasjust realized it
 
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I have never ever trusted Wade, not even in 2005 when he testified. That face , that look, there is something wrong about him.
 
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He certainly lost weight. On his website he said he became a vegetarian now (supposedly that helps him to heal from abuse :smilerolleyes:) so I guess that's why he lost weight. But even considering that he looks crappy now. I don't necessarily think that's because addiction (but who knows) but it could be because of his mental illness. Which of course has nothing to do with Michael. It runs in his family on his father's side.


Being vegetarian hepls him heal from abuse? If only it were that easy. ****ing asshole
 
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Being vegetarian hepls him heal from abuse? If only it were that easy. ****ing asshole


Robson joined the club.

Evan Chandler - bipolar, hungry for millions
Janet Arvizo - schizo, hungry for millions
Wade Robson - bipolar, hungry for millions
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have never ever trusted Wade, not even in 2005 when he testified. That face , that look, there is something wrong about him.


I went back and took a look at all of those interviews he did where he talked about Michael. Knowing what we know now, if Wade would have asked Michael for something no matter how small and Michael would have said no, or sorry I can't do that for you without hurting me or others, Wade would have turned on him. His Mother sounded very ungreatful for the fact Michael helped them stay here and gave her a job. He didn't have to do that but he did. When you consider how she just showed up wanting to see him it is a very big laugh for him to say Michael formed compaines just to abuse him. Nah chump your damn Mother bought you here to be abused
 
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When you consider how she just showed up wanting to see him it is a very big laugh for him to say Michael formed compaines just to abuse him. Nah chump your damn Mother bought you here to be abused

And now they are trying to make it out as some sort of calculated plot by Michael to bring them into the US with the intent of molesting Wade. When in reality it was Robson's mother who sought Michael out to help them to come to the US and then she pressured his office to get them the green cards.

And they are trying to make it out as if Michael went such lengths to be with Wade that he brought them to the US all the way from Australia and started a company just to be able to molest him - only he actually did not even spend so much time with him. I mean he brought them to the US and started a company to be able to spend a couple of days with Wade per year? He started a company just to be with Wade, but actually he did not seem to bother to be with Wade for example during the shooting of Jam (acc. to Joy Robson's testimony in 2005 they did not even know in which hotel MJ stayed and they only met him on the set). And why would he even need a company for that when Joy Robson voluntarily brought Wade around MJ?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Too much trouble, plenty of children in America. No joke.
 
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No word yet eh? Thanks to Ivy and respect for all you do. To say that you are great is a understatement. Stay strong. It will all work out in the end. Its the getting there that sucks.
 
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will it all work out though? i mean alot of fans said that about the trial in 05, that once MJ was found not guilty the public would finally see him for who he truly was, innocent. Fans said he would come back from the trial and go on to release more albums, do more concerts, break more records, etc. Yet here we are ten years removed, the man is dead, didn't get to do any of the things mentioned above, alot of the general public still believes he was a pedophile and ****ers are still out accusing him of abuse. The judge could very well be in favor of Robson, we all know how much bad luck MJ has had. Who's to say it won't continue?
 
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Well, it's almost 4:30 now in LA and so I guess court is packed up and gone now for the weekend. I was SO hoping and praying that we would get a ruling today-but maybe Beckloff is off preparing the docs to backup his ruling.
Another couple of days of waiting, I guess. I wish I could get my mind off of it. :(
 
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i mean alot of fans said that about the trial in 05, that once MJ was found not guilty the public would finally see him for who he truly was, innocent.

I don't think any sane person believed that knowing what the media did during that trial.
Americans are hypocrites when it comes to rich/famous defendants.
If they settle they are guilty.
If they have a trial and lose they are guilty.
If they have a trial and win they are guilty and got away with it because they are famous and rich.

This is why I laugh every time some asshole says if he had been innocent he would have cleared his name in 1994!
Sure, like these assholes would just say : oh he was found not liable so that proves he is innocent! He has cleared his name.
Bullshit. They would have said exactly what they said in 2005: he got away with it because of his celebrity, good lawyers blah blah blah.

Why have a trial when you are perceived guilty no matter what?


I wonder whether this kills any chance that the lawsuit against the corporations would be allowed.

From the Corporations reply brief page 6:

Thus, as every California court to address the issue has recognized, including the Supreme Court, subdivision
(b)(2) "is targeted at third party defendants who, by virtue of certain specified relationship to the perpetrator
( i.e. employee, volunteer, representative, agent) could have employed safeguards to prevent the sexual assault. It requires the sexual
conduct to have arisen through an exploitation of a relationship over which the third party has some control"


Robson quibbles with the Corporate Defendants' focus on the "control" aspect of subdivion
(b)(2) by noting that the "control" language comes from case law and not the statute itself.
That Robson might disagree with the California Supreme Court's interpretation of a California statute is
irrelevant: "the controlling voice on California law is that of the Supreme Court of California"
Phyle v. Duffy, 223 U.S. 431, 445 (1948) (Frankfurter, J., concurring)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/241210019/Robson-Estate-Reply-Corporate-Demurrer


Marzano during the octorber 1 hearing was whining over the Estate's focus on control
and argued that there were others in the companies with authority although she never
argued that those people had authority over MJ himself!

So if the judge allows this to go forward he would go against the Supreme Court's
interpretation of the law.

I don't see how anyone could argue that "the alleged sexual
conduct have arisen through an exploitation of a relationship over which the companies had some control".

Even if the companies had never existed MJ still could have and would have had a relationship with Robson.

However I find it strange that the judge completely ignored this during the hearing.
 
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will it all work out though? i mean alot of fans said that about the trial in 05, that once MJ was found not guilty the public would finally see him for who he truly was, innocent. Fans said he would come back from the trial and go on to release more albums, do more concerts, break more records, etc. Yet here we are ten years removed, the man is dead, didn't get to do any of the things mentioned above, alot of the general public still believes he was a pedophile and ****ers are still out accusing him of abuse. The judge could very well be in favor of Robson, we all know how much bad luck MJ has had. Who's to say it won't continue?

A lot of the general public?? please don't generalize like that.. that is not true..
 
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It may seem like that at times but it isn't the case. There are always going to be those who choose to believe the worst of someone, no matter who it is. But it is changing, not as fast as we would like it perhaps, but it is changing. People were singing TDCAU in NY recently, The reaction to Michael's death was unprecedented and people continue to discover him and be inspired by his music. And that won't change. I will admit that I wish those who knew him, claimed his as their friend etc.. would speak up more than they do, but Michael's fans have done an amazing job of getting the word out and defending his name.
Robson on the other hand, what will be his legacy? Or any of them who have dogged him so relentlessly over 20 years. And when they die, how many will bring roses to their grave?
 
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Shoot, I was sure judge will give his ruling before weekend:-(
I guess there is little bit of silver lining while judge mades us to wait, Wade has to sweat over the weekend for the results and when it is denied, he is going to to cry that his plan for easy money didn't work out.
 
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I don't think any sane person believed that knowing what the media did during that trial.
Americans are hypocrites when it comes to rich/famous defendants.
If they settle they are guilty.
If they have a trial and lose they are guilty.
If they have a trial and win they are guilty and got away with it because they are famous and rich.

This is why I laugh every time some asshole says if he had been innocent he would have cleared his name in 1994!
Sure, like these assholes would just say : oh he was found not liable so that proves he is innocent! He has cleared his name.
Bullshit. They would have said exactly what they said in 2005: he got away with it because of his celebrity, good lawyers blah blah blah.

Yes, unfortunately that is so and I don't think any of us expressed here the opinion that if it gets thrown out the whole thing will be miraculously go away. But at least I don't want any of these fraudsters be able to make big money of their lies and extort the Estate. Well, they still will make some tabloid money if it gets thrown out but that's nothing compared to the millions of dollars they hope from their complaints. So I hope at least they won't succeed with that.


However I find it strange that the judge completely ignored this during the hearing.

I'd think the Judge will typically ask questions in a hearing about what he needs clarification. If he doesn't need clarification about something he will not ask questions, but that does not mean he "ignores" that aspect.
 
by the way

Taj Jackson @tajjackson3 · April 24th

Dear @StacyBrownMedia, stop trying to make a career by lying about my family. It doesn't make u a journalist, just an opportunistic weasel.
 
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That's the first time he used Brown's name and talked to him directly. That I've seen anyway
 
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Stacy Brown needs more than an email or a tweet sent to him. That lying sack of garbage needs more than that.
 
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Stacy Brown needs more than an email or a tweet sent to him. That lying sack of garbage needs more than that.

What would you expect from the pack of MFs like these?
Zonen, Dimond and Brown..., what a coincidence, right?
groupwithstacy.jpg
 
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What would you expect from the pack of MFs like these?
Zonen, Dimond and Brown..., what a coincidence, right?
groupwithstacy.jpg


I know all about their schemes and plans.. They definitely knew the Arvizo's were bonafide liars too.. They all look so sneaky and devilish in that pic.. They will be punished for what they did to MJ..
 
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I'd think the Judge will typically ask questions in a hearing about what he needs clarification. If he doesn't need clarification about something he will not ask questions, but that does not mean he "ignores" that aspect.


I think he ignored it because he said that there were allegations of MJ being an agent, and the corporations being on notice and the 1993 case and the Francia case and that put the claim, under the liberal pleading standards, within (b)(2).

If he had not ignored the Supreme Court's interpretation of the law he would have not said that. He simply took the language of the statute (which includes representative and agent)
and ignored that regardless of what Robson calls MJ (a representative agent) the company didn't control MJ.

BTW was MJ the representative agent of these companies at all?
What does that mean?
 
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I think he ignored it because he said that there were allegations of MJ being an agent, and the corporations being on notice and the 1993 case and the Francia case and that put the claim, under the liberal pleading standards, within (b)(2).

If he had not ignored the Supreme Court's interpretation of the law he would have not said that. He simply took the language of the statute (which includes representative and agent)
and ignored that regardless of what Robson calls MJ (a representative agent) the company didn't control MJ.

BTW was MJ the representative agent of these companies at all?
What does that mean?

Well, we have already been through this with your alter ego: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/129320-Discussion-Wade-Robson-James-Safechuck-file-claim-of-sexual-abuse-against-MJ-Estate/page688?p=4085077&viewfull=1#post4085077


Plus see:http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...ge563?p=4052056&highlight=liberal#post4052056
 
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So "broad liberal meaning" can mean that he simply ignores the Supreme Court's interpretation?
How does that work?
 
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So "broad liberal meaning" can mean that he simply ignores the Supreme Court's interpretation?
How does that work?

Would you please read what is written under the second link?
 
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is Andy good to have a token that will do your bidding for you. However had someone lost their wallet or purse that day, he would have been in trouble
 
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is Andy good to have a token that will do your bidding for you. However had someone lost their wallet or purse that day, he would have been in trouble

?????
 
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Would you please read what is written under the second link?


I did.

I think he's just looking to Robson's complaint against corporations. "broad liberal reading" is exactly like you said, if he accept everything. he thinks the problem is he doesn't have any claims. However I don't see this as meaning he would accept the complaint. He also mentions (twice I think) that this is a two step process, first a claim and then convince him why statute of limitations doesn't apply. I don't think he considered much about the second step. Judge seems to looking on the claims only. To me it reads "you didn't allege anything, go and make more clear claims and then we'll see if this survives or not".

I still don't see how the heck he could conclude that even with the liberal pleading standard with those allegations they would meet the requirements.

What he said was still illogical because reasonable steps to prevent abuse couldn't have been made by a company that was controlled by the alleged perpetrator not to mention
the 1993 case in no way meant that the companies knew or had reason to know or otherwise were on notice that MJ committed a sexual crime especially not against Robson since all three of them were adamant that MJ was innocent.
 
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