[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[passy001]

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http://www.trurodaily.com/Canada---...cas-biggest-trials,-retires-from-court-beat/1

AP's Linda Deutsch, who covered 48 years of America's biggest trials, retires from court beat
...After Michael Jackson was acquitted of molesting a teenage fan, he called Deutsch for an exclusive interview. ...

and again one good journalist we will not have anymore...

While LD tried her best to stay clear of sensationalism, i also think she could have done more during her coverage of the 2005 trial. the whole case was with no doubt a farce, and I don't think LD really even made an attempt to reflect that. to me that was a big let down. some could argue that, calling out the prosecution, would be pro-mj, and she could have been instructed not to take pro-MJ stance, just like Aphrodite. but, i don't buy that argument because her profession is about laying bare the facts irrespective of her affiliation to anything out there. and calling out the prosecution would be consistent with that.

That's just my opinion.

 

[HIStory]

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^ In an alternative reality where what they say make any kind of sense and can be even remotely considered as truth, they both had the chance to put the "horrible man" who "abused" them in prison for 20 years and they both activley and willingly refused to do so and even helped him "get away with it".

To be honest I am not sure I understand why James or his lawyers thought it would be good for him to insert himself in the 2005 case in any way or talk about things that allegedly happened then. While Wade had to talk about the case because he was a witness, James didn't have to say anything about it. I mean, if anyone asked him why he didn't come forward in 2005 he could have just said he didn't follow the news or something like that, like Wade claims he wasn't aware of the Estate (lol), it's stupid, but it's less stupid than his current claims where he acknowledged the fact 2005 should have been a time for him to tell the "truth" and he still didn't do it even though he was fully aware Michael was "a bad man" all while he claims the realization came 8 years later. Why did he bring 2005 up? Am I missing something?

You have to keep in mind that both Robson and Safechuck's first step was to go to a therapist and tell a story to them first - probably knowing that the story in such cases usually is "I went to a therapist and OMG I realized through therapy that I was abused" and that they have to get their story on record with a therapist. Only then they went to a lawyer. Not consulting a lawyer first IMO resulted in some claims in therapy that they would not have said if they first had consulted a lawyer. Wade's anal rape claim could be such a thing and Safechuck's claims about 2005 as well. It's one thing to find a therapist who willingly believes your BS - that's not difficult -, but it is more difficult to find one who would willingly lie for you and whom you can ask to support you through blatantly changing stories. So my guess is that he told this stuff about 2005 to his therapist and so he needed to stick to it. Of course, there could be another reason. Maybe they thought first it's a good idea to claim this and at trial have his mother testifying for him that he told him in 2005 he was abused and they thought that would make his case look stronger, but at the time they did not realize the legal implications of this claim for the statutes. Although this would mean his lawyers did not do their job very well.

Also remember that it took Safechuck more than a year to put together a complaint! That to me suggests there are probably more problems with it than even what first meets the eye, so some of his claims may result from bigger problems that they have under the surface. I mean he says he saw Robson in May 2013, went to therapy on May 20, 2013 then he went to Robson's lawyers in September 2013, then another eight months passed until in May 2014 they filed a notice that they would file and then another three months passed until they filed his actual complaint in August 2014. What took so long? I suspect there are big, big problems with his case. The whole filing process took them so long that they missed all kind of possible deadlines in the process! That suggests major problems IMO. I mean even after he went to Robson's lawyers in September 2013 it took them another eight + three months to put together a complaint. His lawyers sure knew about the legal deadlines but that did not make them hurry up so that at least they could make a claim similar to Robson's that before September 2013 he did not know about the Estate and it were Robson's lawyer who enlightened him about it etc. But they missed even that slight possibility when after meeting with Robson's lawyers they waited yet another eight months. (Of course, the "I did not know about the Estate" argument is also a very weak one when we are talking about a world famous Estate and there is even evidence of you working/communicating with that Estate - like in Robson's case.)

And BTW, what he filed in May 2014 was only a notice that he would later file a complaint (is that right Ivy?) Yet, Diane Dimond knew about the content of his allegations in her article in May 2014. Not that it was not clear before but it makes it even more clear that they fed Dimond with information and that the May filing was a PR stunt - just in time for Xscape and the most important for them at the time was to quickly get his allegations out to the media (Dimond) to probably put publicity pressure on the Estate at the eve of releasing Xscape.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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I guess less is more doesn't mean anything to some people. The more we know about their claims the more we can see through them.

You have to keep in mind that both Robson and Safechuck's first step was to go to a therapist and tell a story to them first - probably knowing that the story in such cases usually is "I went to a therapist and OMG I realized through therapy that I was abused" and that they have to get their story on record with a therapist. Only then they went to a lawyer. Not consulting a lawyer first IMO resulted in some claims in therapy that they would not have said if they first had consulted a lawyer. Wade's anal rape claim could be such a thing and Safechuck's claims about 2005 as well. It's one thing to find a therapist who willingly believes your BS - that's not difficult -, but it is more difficult to find one who would willingly lie for you and whom you can ask to support you through blatantly changing stories. So my guess is that he told this stuff about 2005 to his therapist and so he needed to stick to it. Of course, there could be another reason. Maybe they thought first it's a good idea to claim this and at trial have his mother testifying for him that he told him in 2005 he was abused and they thought that would make his case look stronger, but at the time they did not realize the legal implications of this claim for the statutes. Although this would mean his lawyers did not do their job very well.

I think you're right and that's exactly what happened. Very stupid move on their side IMO, but that's good for us. Don't know how they couldn't realize the legal implications since they already had problems with Wade's claims. Looks like the case is handled by not too bright people who are too blind sideed by the money, including their lawyers.

The delay of his claims is a ridiculous thing on its own right. There's seriously nothing he can say that makes it look good. Or less bad.

 

[HIStory]

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I think you're right and that's exactly what happened. Very stupid move on their side IMO, but that's good for us. Don't know how they couldn't realize the legal implications since they already had problems with Wade's claims. Looks like the case is handled by not too bright people who are too blind sideed by the money, including their lawyers.

Gradstein is a very high profile lawyer, so I don't think he is stupid. It is possible though that since his main area is copyright issues, he is not that familiar with this kind of law, but still these things would look too amateurish for such a high profile lawyer to be just mistakes. Like I said I think probably there are more problems with these cases under the surface and this is the best they could make of it.

 

[la_cienega]

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Unlike others, i guess i'm just totally confident that these cases (probate and civil) will get thrown out as the time limits are so clearly breached and the arguments are so lame. I can't imagine, whatever his polite remarks, the judge is going to be taken in by gradstein's reams and reams of filings citing all these precedent cases which aren't relevant to the case in hand and just ignores anything that is an obstacle to their story.

Like invincibletal, i'm concerned how the dismissal will likely be portrayed as due to a mere technicality, a victim of strict californian timelimit legislation for poor survivors of sex abuse blah blah. I hope that the estate doesn't see a dismissal of these cases as the final word, but will make statesments exposing wade and jimmy's hard to believe stories of decades long mind prison etc.

I think one of the key points to make about this is that they're clearly lying in order to get around the statutes. So if they're prepared to lie about that for money after decades of denying it, why should they be trusted about anything else?

Safechuck told MJ's lawyers in 2005 that nothing had happened, and Harvey Levin tracked the family down and they told them nothing had happened too.

Also, if Safechuck were telling MJ he wouldn't help and to never call him again, do people not think that a serial child abuser at this point would not be freaking out that one of his victims had realized it was abuse and could tell people? During the biggest trial of his life where every stone was being upturned and anything could be found out? But instead he presumably hangs up the phone and totally consents to Safechuck and never speaks to him again? He doesn't freak out and try desperately to contact him in any way he could to apologize and try and keep him on his side, throw money at him as that was apparently his forte, knowing his whole life is on the line??? No, he just hangs up and hopes for the best???? Do people really think this is how that could've ever happened?

 

[HIStory]

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^^ Why would you want anyone on the stand at all whom you have supposedly molested over 100 times? If Safechuck claimed that MJ threatened him to stay away from the courtroom and go into hiding that would make slightly more sense. (Although even then such supposed threats would be very off-character for MJ.) But supposedly he aggressively wanted to drag him to court, even though the Judge has not decided yet about whether to introduce testimony about Safechuck or not (and later he decided that testimony about Safechuck would not be introduced). Even with Robson we noted how stupid and extremely risky it would be to put a guy on the stand whom you supposedly anally raped for years - and make him your first witness at that. So how extremely risky it would be to put Safechuck on the stand whom MJ did not even have contact any more for years at the time and Safechuck was probably also bitter at him for drifting away? So it's not like they could claim Safechuck was under MJ's control or anything.

 

[wendijane]

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So whats the update? I hope knobson and cronies have a really shitty xmas and a crappy new year after that.

 

[#MJforever57]

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I agree. I always thought it would be Mez and his team doing most of this contacting possible witnesses etc. So I can imagine the whole thing is made up. Since MJ is not here to deny it so Safechuck can claim anything about MJ calling him without Mez's knowlede etc, but it isn't necessarily true.

That how i see too.

 

[#MJforever57]

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And if someone abuse you and you have the chance to go to court to testify against that person, why would you denied not wanting to go and talk where it matters in COURT OF CRIMINIL LAW YET you want to sue his estate after that person is gone for money? See, it makes no sense.

And this is the world we live in sad.

 

[ivy]

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You have to keep in mind that both Robson and Safechuck's first step was to go to a therapist and tell a story to them first - probably knowing that the story in such cases usually is "I went to a therapist and OMG I realized through therapy that I was abused" and that they have to get their story on record with a therapist. Only then they went to a lawyer. Not consulting a lawyer first IMO resulted in some claims in therapy that they would not have said if they first had consulted a lawyer. Wade's anal rape claim could be such a thing and Safechuck's claims about 2005 as well. It's one thing to find a therapist who willingly believes your BS - that's not difficult -, but it is more difficult to find one who would willingly lie for you and whom you can ask to support you through blatantly changing stories. So my guess is that he told this stuff about 2005 to his therapist and so he needed to stick to it. Of course, there could be another reason. Maybe they thought first it's a good idea to claim this and at trial have his mother testifying for him that he told him in 2005 he was abused and they thought that would make his case look stronger, but at the time they did not realize the legal implications of this claim for the statutes. Although this would mean his lawyers did not do their job very well.

Also remember that it took Safechuck more than a year to put together a complaint! That to me suggests there are probably more problems with it than even what first meets the eye, so some of his claims may result from bigger problems that they have under the surface. I mean he says he saw Robson in May 2013, went to therapy on May 20, 2013 then he went to Robson's lawyers in September 2013, then another eight months passed until in May 2014 they filed a notice that they would file and then another three months passed until they filed his actual complaint in August 2014. What took so long? I suspect there are big, big problems with his case. The whole filing process took them so long that they missed all kind of possible deadlines in the process! That suggests major problems IMO. I mean even after he went to Robson's lawyers in September 2013 it took them another eight + three months to put together a complaint. His lawyers sure knew about the legal deadlines but that did not make them hurry up so that at least they could make a claim similar to Robson's that before September 2013 he did not know about the Estate and it were Robson's lawyer who enlightened him about it etc. But they missed even that slight possibility when after meeting with Robson's lawyers they waited yet another eight months. (Of course, the "I did not know about the Estate" argument is also a very weak one when we are talking about a world famous Estate and there is even evidence of you working/communicating with that Estate - like in Robson's case.)

Well legally lawyers cannot assist their client in lying and they shouldn't be taking part if they know their client is lying. Given Robson/Safechuck lawyer is a decent one, I don't see them sit down with Robson/safechuck to come up with what to say - hence why some claims aren't legally perfect. The only thing the lawyers can do is to accept what their client tells them with no questions asked - aka believe whatever the client is telling them and don't check truth or credibility.

Both Robson and Safechuck also needed a doctor / therapist report with their complaint. All the repressed memory, just realized this and that and even claims of emotional distress requires a doctor report.

I wrote this before and I'm skeptical of the therapist. I don't know if they are plain out lying and convinced the therapist and their lawyer or if they went to a therapist and through faulty therapist /therapy/ suggestion etc they created a false scenario they believe in - at least Wade. Whatever they told to the therapist has probably made its way to the complaint.

Safechuck to me has always seen as secondary, like someone just came forward to back Wade up. I'm not big on conspiracy but when Wade first come forward Stacy Brown was saying 2 more people will come forward. As I said it multiple times Safechuck's claims seemed even more absurd than Wade. He knew he was abused, told his mother what an evil man MJ is, but didn't realize emotional effects of the abuse until Wade/2013?I would think if he knew he was abused in 2005 that trial should help him realize. As for telling his mother - I think that's just to back him up. Because if this goes to trial how could anyone prove anything for certain? You would have circumstantial evidence and other people backing up some claims. Remember how Gavin's brother was a witness to the alleged abuse? This is no different IMO. Wade doesn't really have anyone to back his claims given both his mother and sister testified to nothing happening in 2005. So they would either do a 180 flip and say they knew and they lied in 2005 or they would stick to saying they had no idea until Wade told them in 2013. Anyway as for Safechuck I think he is just there to back Wade up.

And BTW, what he filed in May 2014 was only a notice that he would later file a complaint (is that right Ivy?) Yet, Diane Dimond knew about the content of his allegations in her article in May 2014. Not that it was not clear before but it makes it even more clear that they fed Dimond with information and that the May filing was a PR stunt - just in time for Xscape and the most important for them at the time was to quickly get his allegations out to the media (Dimond) to probably put publicity pressure on the Estate at the eve of releasing Xscape.

I'm not 100% sure about that. Yes he filed a notice on May and media didn't report the complaint until August. However I'm not sure if the original complaint was sent to the Estate at May and redacted version only made it to the system at August.

However I'm 100% sure that Dimond was given information. As I said rest of the media didn't get the complaint until August so Dimond shouldn't be able to get or see the complaint until then. The only thing she could have seen is a notice that Safechuck was planning to file a sexual abuse case. That if you believe she was at court or had a source at court on a Friday that notified her of the notice as it was filed. She wrote her piece over the weekend and every detail on that news story should come from sources as the court documents weren't available to anyone at that time.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Last night i was watching Reel and they were talking about Bill Cosby and how he need to come out and tell his side of the or denied that this never happen and i said to myself why should he come out and say anything because the ppls have made up they mind anyway Cosby does not even have a chance will the ppls believe i don't think so in they eyes this man is guilty no proof no evidence no facts jut words and this is what the ppls believe. Pppls have pull away from Cosby cancel events took his name off things all of the money he has give to colleges like Temple don't even what to be assocate with him. If all they want to hear from Cosby is did he do this will the ppls believe him or not.


The way i see it is this man has already gone to trial and been found guilty that why the law should be upheld here the statute of limitations should stop these ppls from brings up alleged abuse false allegations that has happen 20,30,40,50 years ago. They say these ladies feel okay with it now because others ladies are coming out with it if you have been sexual abuse you need to report why wait down line to come out with it now how are we going to stop sexual abuse if you don' t say anything. What get me is all of these ladies have a clear picture of what happen to them no memory lost. These ladies felt that because Bill Cosby was a powerful man the the ppls will not believe them because this was Bill Cosby the all america dad that the world love.


Imo these ladies just want that 15 min of fame and money and to bring another legacy down to the ground it sad what a world we live in.

 

[terrell]

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Last night i was watching Reel and they were talking about Bill Cosby and how he need to come out and tell his side of the or denied that this never happen and i said to myself why should he come out and say anything because the ppls have made up they mind anyway Cosby does not even have a chance will the ppls believe i don't think so in they eyes this man is guilty no proof no evidence no facts jut words and this is what the ppls believe. Pppls have pull away from Cosby cancel events took his name off things all of the money he has give to colleges like Temple don't even what to be assocate with him. If all they want to hear from Cosby is did he do this will the ppls believe him or not.


The way i see it is this man has already gone to trial and been found guilty that why the law should be upheld here the statute of limitations should stop these ppls from brings up alleged abuse false allegations that has happen 20,30,40,50 years ago. They say these ladies feel okay with it now because others ladies are coming out with it if you have been sexual abuse you need to report why wait down line to come out with it now how are we going to stop sexual abuse if you don' t say anything. What get me is all of these ladies have a clear picture of what happen to them no memory lost. These ladies felt that because Bill Cosby was a powerful man the the ppls will not believe them because this was Bill Cosby the all america dad that the world love.


Imo these ladies just want that 15 min of fame and money and to bring another legacy down to the ground it sad what a world we live in.

So true. And I agree with Bill' daughter, how you be drugged but claim to remember s much? I believe he slept with alot of them but I doubt a lot of it was rape. Also, Bill did NOT become known as a "america dad" until the LATE 80's. In the 60s and 70's he was viewed as a C or B actor.

 

[barbee0715]

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Michael came out almost immediately and made that statement from Neverland and I've never seen eyes that full of both hurt and rage at the same time.
I think Cosby prob should do the same thing but prob won't because there is no crime here unless you actually believe these women were raped.
My feeling is that he had a bunch of extra marital affairs or one night stands with people who were more or less trying to get ahead in their careers. That's common in Hollywood.
P-I was taken aback when you said Stephen Collins was going to be on 20/20 this week and since I've seen all sorts of commercials for it. Now this is something I do NOT understand. Why would you go on TV and say you did this even if it was 30, 40 yrs ago. What possible good could this do.
He has crushed any chance of people forgetting about it and his show going back into syndication. And killed the future residual income for any of the cast of his show. Just amazing.

 

[#MJforever57]

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I was think that too come with a statement like Michael did but will they believe they didn't believe Michael.

I was think of that too this is not a crime he has not been charge with anything these are alleged allegations.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Michael came out almost immediately and made that statement from Neverland and I've never seen eyes that full of both hurt and rage at the same time.
I think Cosby prob should do the same thing but prob won't because there is no crime here unless you actually believe these women were raped.
My feeling is that he had a bunch of extra marital affairs or one night stands with people who were more or less trying to get ahead in their careers. That's common in Hollywood.
P-I was taken aback when you said Stephen Collins was going to be on 20/20 this week and since I've seen all sorts of commercials for it. Now this is something I do NOT understand. Why would you go on TV and say you did this even if it was 30, 40 yrs ago. What possible good could this do.
He has crushed any chance of people forgetting about it and his show going back into syndication. And killed the future residual income for any of the cast of his show. Just amazing.

I find that odd to the victims have not even came forward. That what they said about Cosby too the ppls he work with will not get paid alot of the money was coming from his rerun on TVLand and they have cancel his show.

 

[barbee0715]

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I was think that too come with a statement like Michael did but will they believe they didn't believe Michael.

I was think of that too this is not a crime he has not been charge with anything these are alleged allegations.

no actually at that time most people did believe Michael. I remember in particular a People magazine poll (huge at the time) where 80% of Anericans totally believed him. And there were others.
Everything changed only when the settlement happened.
Knowing what we do now I would have done the exact same thing but that's what really turned America against him. That's why there will always be people claiming he's guilty even tho America came back to her senses with Michael's death.
But one day those people will finally be dead and finally gone.

 

[#MJforever57]

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no actually at that time most people did believe Michael. I remember in particular a People magazine poll (huge at the time) where 80% of Anericans totally believed him. And there were others.
Everything changed only when the settlement happened.
Knowing what we do now I would have done the exact same thing but that's what really turned America against him. That's why there will always be people claiming he's guilty even tho America came back to her senses with Michael's death.
But one day those people will finally be dead and finally gone.

You are right when the settlement came yes ppls mind change again.

That why i hoping that this will end soon so Michael can finally rest in peace.

 

[la_cienega]

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^^ Why would you want anyone on the stand at all whom you have supposedly molested over 100 times? If Safechuck claimed that MJ threatened him to stay away from the courtroom and go into hiding that would make slightly more sense. (Although even then such supposed threats would be very off-character for MJ.) But supposedly he aggressively wanted to drag him to court, even though the Judge has not decided yet about whether to introduce testimony about Safechuck or not (and later he decided that testimony about Safechuck would not be introduced). Even with Robson we noted how stupid and extremely risky it would be to put a guy on the stand whom you supposedly anally raped for years - and make him your first witness at that. So how extremely risky it would be to put Safechuck on the stand whom MJ did not even have contact any more for years at the time and Safechuck was probably also bitter at him for drifting away? So it's not like they could claim Safechuck was under MJ's control or anything.

And how do these threats jibe with MJ being loving and consensual? Wouldn't that be a tipping point for a victim...?

Also, what would be in it for Wade/Safechuck to testify besides helping MJ? "MJ threatened me so I was afraid of him and did it"? Except nobody was afraid of him, as Safechuck shows by claiming he basically told him to **** off with nothing untoward happening to him. If MJ was an actual pedophile I'd believe he'd offer them both money to do it, as this was supposedly the only thing preventing people coming forwards and is now the only thing they want...

As for using his mother as a back up - that will fall apart if it came to the stand, besides all the obvious issues with realizing the abuse in 2005 etc, after 2005 it's 100% certain that Safechuck did not tell people around him it was abuse and I'm 100% convinced when MJ died he grieved and people around him would know about that. It looks like he wanted a back up for the 2005 period to justify the mess of a story he's created about the trial, but I believe if it came to court, he'd have to justify how he told his mother about it and yet was still an MJ supporter/fan even after that. Honestly, Safechuck comes across like an idiot. I think he assumed there would be a quick settlement so he never even bothered trying to make his story seem reasonable.

 

[HIStory]

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^ I do not have such information but that cousin of his that is on Twitter, Tony Safechuck made that positive comment about MJ in October 2013:

This is interesting because this was at the time when Safechuck was already consulting Robson's lawyers. So it seems even in his family what he was up to was kept a secret for as long as he filed his lawsuit. And it's obvious that he did not say anything negative about MJ to his wider family until very recently.

 

[MJInnocent]

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Kudos in regards to Larry King...I think he has been one in the media who has been great towards Michael(which is a breath of fresh air)I thought he was fantastic with Jermaine at Neverland after MJ's death.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Wow he was planing on keep this a secret now i do believe these two had this plan and the reason why they could not file is because they claim MJ was control them.

That why your words will get you in a world of trouble and come back to haunt you.

 

[#MJforever57]

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And how do these threats jibe with MJ being loving and consensual? Wouldn't that be a tipping point for a victim...?

Also, what would be in it for Wade/Safechuck to testify besides helping MJ? "MJ threatened me so I was afraid of him and did it"? Except nobody was afraid of him, as Safechuck shows by claiming he basically told him to **** off with nothing untoward happening to him. If MJ was an actual pedophile I'd believe he'd offer them both money to do it, as this was supposedly the only thing preventing people coming forwards and is now the only thing they want...

As for using his mother as a back up - that will fall apart if it came to the stand, besides all the obvious issues with realizing the abuse in 2005 etc, after 2005 it's 100% certain that Safechuck did not tell people around him it was abuse and I'm 100% convinced when MJ died he grieved and people around him would know about that. It looks like he wanted a back up for the 2005 period to justify the mess of a story he's created about the trial, but I believe if it came to court, he'd have to justify how he told his mother about it and yet was still an MJ supporter/fan even after that. Honestly, Safechuck comes across like an idiot. I think he assumed there would be a quick settlement so he never even bothered trying to make his story seem reasonable.

My point exactly and in the bold That is what both of them was thinking but the Estate refuse.

 

[MJresearcher]

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^ I do not have such information but that cousin of his that is on Twitter, Tony Safechuck made that positive comment about MJ in October 2013:

This is interesting because this was at the time when Safechuck was already consulting Robson's lawyers. So it seems even in his family what he was up to was kept a secret for as long as he filed his lawsuit. And it's obvious that he did not say anything negative about MJ to his wider family until very recently.

That's very interesting. You'd think a person would tell their family about their "abuse" before stepping foot near a lawyer about a case like this, I wonder if his family wondered why he didn't tell them anything until after speaking with lawyers? Sounds like a very strange thing for a person to do, but then, none of us believe this anyway so it kind of does make sense.

 

[barbee0715]

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Well, it's 5 o'clock in LA now so guess my hope that Beckloff would just decide everything and throw out all the cases before breaking for the holiday is not coming true.
I wonder now if we'll hear anything before the new year.

 

[PopOfKing]

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Imo these ladies just want that 15 min of fame and money and to bring another legacy down to the ground it sad what a world we live in.

With all due respect... but how much do you know about this situation? Close to 30 different women have come forward including Beverly Johnson- a legend of her own. Most of these women are not seeking money or anything. Some won't even appear on camera. Even if some are phony to wave your hand and accuse them all of greed is just silly. There have been allegations all throughout his career. There is evidence. There will be many more. Stay tuned: Bill Cosby is a criminal. He's toast. Michael Jackson is a victim.

 

[#MJforever57]

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With all due respect... but how much do you know about this situation? Close to 30 different women have come forward including Beverly Johnson- a legend of her own. Most of these women are not seeking money or anything. Some won't even appear on camera. Even if some are phony to wave your hand and accuse them all of greed is just silly. There have been allegations all throughout his career. There is evidence. There will be many more. Stay tuned: Bill Cosby is a criminal. He's toast. Michael Jackson is a victim.

I do not know that much about the situation only what is on tv but that was imo.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, it's 5 o'clock in LA now so guess my hope that Beckloff would just decide everything and throw out all the cases before breaking for the holiday is not coming true.
I wonder now if we'll hear anything before the new year.

We got next week we might hear something like it was mention this judge want to take his time make sure all of his i and t are cross because when he makes that final desision he does not want his decision to be appeal so we just have to wait a little longer if we do not hear any news next week

 

[HIStory]

With all due respect... but how much do you know about this situation? Close to 30 different women have come forward including Beverly Johnson- a legend of her own. Most of these women are not seeking money or anything. Some won't even appear on camera. Even if some are phony to wave your hand and accuse them all of greed is just silly. There have been allegations all throughout his career. There is evidence. There will be many more. Stay tuned: Bill Cosby is a criminal. He's toast. Michael Jackson is a victim.

I agree. I don't think it's very wise from anyone here to compare MJ's situation to Cosby's. We know that MJ was innocent, but we cannot be sure about Cosby so what if we compare a guilty man to Michael? How is that good for Michael? We should be careful with this. Just because Michael was/is a victim of false allegations it does not mean everyone who is accused is. A healthy scepticism is good, but I do not know enough about these cases and Cosby's accusers to say that each of them are lying. Some may be, but I do not follow the case enough (nor do I care enough about it, to be honest) to declare the guilt or innocence of Cosby. I'm sure about MJ's innocence because I have spent a lot of time researching his case.

BTW, I have seen Josie Zohny comment on the case on her Twitter and she said she believed the allegations because she's been hearing things about Cosby long time ago. For those who do not know: she went to school with Jordan Chandler and she was one of the people on the Defense's witness list ready to testify that Jordan told her nothing happened. She's a big defender of Michael, but about Cosby she said this:

Josie @jzohny · dec. 4.
FWIW, I believe allegations against Cosby bc of disturbing stories told to me (before current wave) by multiple (reliable) people. (cont.)

Josie ‏@jzohny
...but I think retaining an attention whore like Allred harms credibility of current accusers. I'm less inclined to believe them bc of her.

And I think whoever wants to discuss Cosby should open a seperate thread for it. Here that's completely off topic.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's very interesting. You'd think a person would tell their family about their "abuse" before stepping foot near a lawyer about a case like this, I wonder if his family wondered why he didn't tell them anything until after speaking with lawyers? Sounds like a very strange thing for a person to do, but then, none of us believe this anyway so it kind of does make sense.

Before you go to talk to any lawyer you need to talk to you family first but i do not think that was Safechuck plan.

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's very interesting. You'd think a person would tell their family about their "abuse" before stepping foot near a lawyer about a case like this, I wonder if his family wondered why he didn't tell them anything until after speaking with lawyers? Sounds like a very strange thing for a person to do, but then, none of us believe this anyway so it kind of does make sense.

Of course he didn't tell his family lu he didn't want them finding the truth that he's a lying scumbag