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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
What they have to prove now is that they are within statutes of limitations. They can achieve that if they manage to find support for CCP 340.1 (B)2 in their case, ie. this:
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Respect in respond to my comment, actually I know what they have to prove. I read the document and have a good understanding of it. I am just throwing out comments since we are in the discussing mode now with no new news.
 
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MJLovesyoumore said:
Does anyone have the contact details for the MJ estate or whoever it is that deals with web domains the estate own?

I'm not sure if anyone here is still interested in discovering who the real MJfacts is, but if so - I have just heard that mjfacts has just come into possession of a website (mjfacts . com)previously owned by the MJ estate. Though the WHOIS website does not disclose the details of the new owner due to domainsbyproxy being used, it may be quite possible from what I have read about domain purchasing to still get mjfacts details. Sometimes when purchasing a website from someone, the details of the purchaser are usually passed on to the seller. So the estate might actually have the details, such as name, email, and location of the person who purchased it.
It would be interesting to contact the estate or whoever deals with that side of things and see if they will release any information on who MJfacts really is.
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sorry i dont mean to derail this thread but are there any theories who this mjfacts really is?

when i re-read the details of chandler allegations in this thread i almost want wade's lawyers to try to bring them up. they can so easily be torn apart. to this day, i wish they were challenged in a court of law. to this day i wish their ****ing car broke down on another block.....
 
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metermaid said:
sorry i dont mean to derail this thread but are there any theories who this mjfacts really is?
when i re-read the details of chandler allegations in this thread i almost want wade's lawyers to try to bring them up. they can so easily be torn apart. to this day, i wish they were challenged in a court of law. to this day i wish their ****ing car broke down on another block.....
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I have heard MJfacts first name may actually be Dan which would be short for either Danny or most likely - Daniel. Though I don't know his last name...YET, I have learned quite a bit about this Dan, I hear he is actually a man in his late 30's, which is funny because he is posing as young Asian women on both twitter and FB. He used to suffer past addiction problems (not sure whether it was either drugs or alcohol related..:unsure:) and is currently residing in either the Swansea or Cardiff area in South Wales, UK.


to this day i wish their ****ing car broke down on another block.....
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For all we know they even plotted the whole thing from then. Having the car supposedly "break down" was possibly the initial part of their whole scam. I have heard of similar scams before, where scammers will either tamper with their cars or just pretend they have car trouble to lure over any innocent and benevolent passers by, so as to later con or rob them.
 
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MJLovesyoumore said:
Does anyone have the contact details for the MJ estate or whoever it is that deals with web domains the estate own?

I'm not sure if anyone here is still interested in discovering who the real MJfacts is, but if so - I have just heard that mjfacts has just come into possession of a website (mjfacts . com)previously owned by the MJ estate. Though the WHOIS website does not disclose the details of the new owner due to domainsbyproxy being used, it may be quite possible from what I have read about domain purchasing to still get mjfacts details. Sometimes when purchasing a website from someone, the details of the purchaser are usually passed on to the seller. So the estate might actually have the details, such as name, email, and location of the person who purchased it.
It would be interesting to contact the estate or whoever deals with that side of things and see if they will release any information on who MJfacts really is.
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I'm pretty sure Estate didn't sell anything to them. I was checking it and I realized the domain wasn't renewed and hence became available for purchase.
 
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MJLovesyoumore said:
I have heard MJfacts first name may actually be Dan which would be short for either Danny or most likely - Daniel. Though I don't know his last name...YET, I have learned quite a bit about this Dan, I hear he is actually a man in his late 30's, which is funny because he is posing as young Asian women on both twitter and FB. He used to suffer past addiction problems (not sure whether it was either drugs or alcohol related..:unsure:) and is currently residing in either the Swansea or Cardiff area in South Wales, UK.




For all we know they even plotted the whole thing from then. Having the car supposedly "break down" was possibly the initial part of their whole scam. I have heard of similar scams before, where scammers will either tamper with their cars or just pretend they have car trouble to lure over any innocent and benevolent passers by, so as to later con or rob them.
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Are you all talking about the Chandlers with the car breaking down? I always thought it was Michael's car that broke down and he ended up at June's husband "Rent a Wreck" place.
Or do you think they just pretended Michael's car was undriveable at the first meeting?
 
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barbee0715 said:
Are you all talking about the Chandlers with the car breaking down? I always thought it was Michael's car that broke down and he ended up at June's husband "Rent a Wreck" place.
Or do you think they just pretended Michael's car was undriveable at the first meeting?
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Was is MJ's car that broke down? :scratch: You are probably right. Sorry my memory has been absolutely terrible lately. :doh: Either way, I do think they plotted it from the very start.
 
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Some people WANT Michael to be guilty

You'd think that people would want Michael to be innocent because then that would mean that no kids have been hurt, but no. People want him to be guilty because they enjoy the witch hunt against Michael. These people are more concerned with staring a witch hunt towards an innocent man then a child's safety
 
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That why i say today that the advice that Michael's lawyers gave him was wrong imo Michael should have had some kind of chance to clear his name everybody kept telling Michael you have got to make this go always you have to much to do so Michael end up settled the case out of court do you see the reaction that cost ppls had Michael guilty and it never change and it was unfair even Michael kept claiming he was innocent and he did nothing wrong but the ppls still didn't believe him. When a person lie on you oh the pain you feel it hurt and i know it hurt Michael everytime i look at the statement he did i feel his pain and it is so sad he didn't get the chance to clear his name and look at this messy with Wade so unreal.
 
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ivy said:
I'm pretty sure Estate didn't sell anything to them. I was checking it and I realized the domain wasn't renewed and hence became available for purchase.
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That MJfacts person getting the .com could be bad. People might trust what's written on a .com more than a .info site. >.
 
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The settlement only brought an end to the civil case, it did not end the criminal case also, this is always where people get mixed up. Many people in the public still think the settlement meant that Jordan and his family were being paid to stay quiet but that's not how settlements of civil cases work. Neither party were supposed to speak in detail about the situation to the media but they were allowed to participate in the criminal investigation, and if it had gone to trial they were allowed to testify, nothing in the civil settlement would, or even legally could stop that from happening. The problem is that many people in the public aren't aware of that because their understanding of law isn't very good, so they end up with a perception that is wrong, especially when articles in the media call the settlement a "payoff".

If a person attempted to pay another to keep them quiet, this would be illegal, it would be considered an obstruction of justice. There isn't any way around that and I have little doubt that Sneddon would have been all over it if there had been any attempt to do that. When you think about it, it's actually quite silly that people think this settlement was meant to get rid of the complaint altogether and shut anyone up, the settlement was big news, there was even a press conference about it by the Chandler's lawyer, this was no secret. The allegation was already out publicly and had been for a long time. If the intention is to shut someone up about something, the attempt at a payoff would happen before any press or police got involved, because the whole point would be to avoid all of that in the first place.

We know that in August 1993 Michael was given the perfect chance to pay money to this family when Evan, of his own admission demanded money. This was before press were involved, so that would have been the time to give a payoff to stop people finding out about the allegation but Michael refused. Given those facts I'd like to see someone prove that he was trying to shut them up!
 
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analogue said:
Some people WANT Michael to be guilty

You'd think that people would want Michael to be innocent because then that would mean that no kids have been hurt, but no. People want him to be guilty because they enjoy the witch hunt against Michael. These people are more concerned with staring a witch hunt towards an innocent man then a child's safety
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Yeah, they enjoy for the thrill of that kind of entertainment which makes them even more stupid than ever. I mean is it no different than wanting to see a criminal getting fried on the electric chair and is that entertaining? No! Some people not only wanted Michael to be guilty, they wanted in him dead so they can continue to tarnish his good name. I can never these kinds of stupid people and they make me sick.
 
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I agree it was the media and when their said settlement a "payoff". ppls right away said Michael was guilty their would so quick to judge him without knowing the facts. Just like Michael said don't judge me if you don't know me it say it in the bible judge ye not
 
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From what I've seen emotions are a major factor in people's opinions about all of this. It's good that people are so against child abuse, but their biases and emotions can be very detrimental when it comes to verifying the truthfulness of a claim. Many people don't wait for all the information before forming their conclusions, and if they're determined to hold onto their opinion as being right they'll make any excuse they can to ignore or dismiss any evidence that is contrary to their view. Thinking emotionally can impair a person's ability to think logically and once that happens it's very difficult to change that.

Confirmation bias:

In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.

Confirmation bias is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study.

Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

As such, it can be thought of as a form of selection bias in collecting evidence.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/confirmation_bias.htm
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

FYI- Parties are having discovery disputes in civil trial.

I wonder if the same disputes might cause delay in probate hearing. We'll see.
 
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ivy said:
FYI- Parties are having discovery disputes in civil trial.

I wonder if the same disputes might cause delay in probate hearing. We'll see.
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Do we know what is the nature of those disputes?
 
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Remember Wade lawyers want from the Estate infor or discovery it is about MJ companies who was in charge their are try to say that the companies were negligence their are trying to say that someone knew that Wade was being sexual abuse by Michael and did nothing about it.

I knew something like this was about to happen and remember the judge told Wade and his lawyers that this look like negligence go back redo your case and their are still trying to get around the statute of limitations Wade is trying to say he was control by Michael he claim that in 1993 Michael said if he told we both will go to jail and Wade believe that this is the reason why he didn't file.
 
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ivy said:
^^

he's just talking about scheduling. normally what happens is the initial dismissal. if the case survives that they set the schedule for discovery, expert testimony and trial. he's just saying, he doesn't think discovery would matter for the dismissal request - and he's correct usually there's no discovery. However given that he allowed them discovery and they would be getting it at october means IF this case goes forward they would be saving time for discovery process.

Remember we discussed it before. I think he's also thinking a possible appeal and making sure it won't happen. Robson wanted discovery and he gave it to him. Robson wanted extra time, he said I can't give you extra time when you don't even know what you are looking for and even if something is out there to help you. He said but if you have a definitive thing you are looking for and tell me that I'm open to give you extra time. In my opinion he's making sure that there's no grounds for appeal.

We'll know soon enough. If not delayed that hearing is on Nov 6th. We would know by December I think.



He allowed Robson discovery but he also said he didn't think it matter.
He allowed Robson to amend his complaint against corporations but he denied his request for an extension/more time in probate case.

to me it is 50-50.

Discovery issue might be moot if it doesn't matter and if there's nothing to help them. Amending the complaint isn't the end of the world, Estate can file demurrer against the amended complaint. They went 3-4 rounds in Demann and Michael Amir Williams cases.
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Ivy in the bold do you think this might be the dispute?
 
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respect77 said:
Do we know what is the nature of those disputes?
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yes.

interrogatories and requests for admission

they agreed they would answer 35 + 8 interrogatories.

They have a dispute about requests for admission. Estate wants court to say they don't need to answer 36-93. The reasoning is : some questions are already answered, they can't know the private interactions between MJ and Wade and they deny any sexual conduct hence there's no need to answer to specific claims.

The hearing for this is on November 6th. Remember this is the civil case.

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MJLovesyoumore said:
I have heard MJfacts first name may actually be Dan which would be short for either Danny or most likely - Daniel. Though I don't know his last name...YET, I have learned quite a bit about this Dan, I hear he is actually a man in his late 30's, which is funny because he is posing as young Asian women on both twitter and FB. He used to suffer past addiction problems (not sure whether it was either drugs or alcohol related..:unsure:) and is currently residing in either the Swansea or Cardiff area in South Wales, UK.
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This same person has also posed as a black female and also an Italian female on some other sites. He uses multiple screen names and has pretended to be a fan and has infiltrated fan boards, posting and pretending to be a fan. I think this person was on the old MJFanClub.net site and used the screen name "dancingboy", until he got busted posting on Desiree's blog with info he got from MJFanClub's site and was terminated and blocked on MJFanClub. I also think he is using multiple screen names currently on IMdB. This person has NO life whatsoever, other than Michael Jackson. I think he spends his whole life devoted to this stuff. So yeah, he's still got a serious addiction problem.

Desiree's site is gone now, isn't it?

It's interesting you say the name is Dan or Danny. Do you know his last name?
 
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Comes to mind "dannyboy72" an active poster in this thread, who in my opinion is suspicious to say the least.
 
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GreenEyes said:
So yeah, he's still got a serious addiction problem.
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Often addicted people "heal" from one addiction by replacing it with another. Maybe he replaced his addiction with an obssession about MJ. It really does seem to be psychotic when someone goes to such lengths to spread crap about someone. Devoting all your time to a person you hate is definitely not healthy behavior.
 
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Did anyone realize the

"He (Robson) contends only he and Michael knew about the alleged conduct."

part?
 
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ivy said:
Did anyone realize the

"He (Robson) contends only he and Michael knew about the alleged conduct."

part?
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Yes, after all he claims he never told anyone before he told his therapist in 2012. But this is obviously a problem for him when he claims somehow MJ's companies, Branca, Staikos or Sherman knew or should have known.
 
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respect77 said:
Yes, after all he claims he never told anyone before he told his therapist in 2012. But this is obviously a problem for him when he claims somehow MJ's companies, Branca, Staikos or Sherman knew or should have known.
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I agree. His story is a mess. That's why he and his lawyers can't keep it straight. But they are constantly coming up with excuses for why the changes in his story shouldn't wreck his credibility.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Yes, after all he claims he never told anyone before he told his therapist in 2012. But this is obviously a problem for him when he claims somehow MJ's companies, Branca, Staikos or Sherman knew or should have known.
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I found it very interesting to read this also, it's clear that he's contradicting himself here. How can Wade expect people to "admit knowledge" when he says himself that only he and MJ knew what was supposedly happening? He doesn't even try to argue that people found out about it later and did nothing, he's claiming that these people knew what was supposedly happening at the time. I don't understand why he's saying that when it's so blatantly obvious that he's claiming two different things.
 
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This is a mess and he has no case.

It makes all of these RFA's meaningless as well. He sends close to hundred questions about private stuff / conversations he alleges happened between him and Michael. wants people to admit to them when he also claims no one knew what was happening between them.
 
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His whole claim is a pathetic joke and has been from day one. I suppose the idea was the minute the allegations were brought out the estate would throw up their hands in horror and settle to avoid the publicity. Since that hasn't happened ( and bringing J.S. certainly hasn't had the impact they hoped for) now he grasping at straws to try build arguments and a case out of nothing.
 
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Soundmind said:
Comes to mind "dannyboy72" an active poster in this thread, who in my opinion is suspicious to say the least.
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And what exactly is so suspicious about me? None of my posts were ever anti-Jackson.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

2 words for Wade Robison. **** off
 
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