[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Jane lost her show wow. What about Nancy Grace?

GreenEyes i agree with you i hope Alan does keep defend Michael i hope he doesn't change.


He needs to establish how MJ's companies were negligent.

My question is how is Wade going to do this when the companies are not natural person?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Companies can be negligent. They can't be sexual abusers. (I think. )
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is disappointing and it does seem as if this California judge is bending over backwards to accommodate these past the statute complaints.

The Kevin Clash (Elmo) cases were dismissed by the Pennsylvania judge (based on New York statutes) - tossed out - end of story period. He was not fooling around with it. But not this California judge. :(


GreenEyes this is what i have been saying for the longest because it is the California law by law Wade has miss every change to file but yet he still get another change to improve his case why?


This judge need to toss this out but because it is Michael Jackson whole different story. I just don't understand why this judge is not going by the laws.
 
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Companies can be negligent. They can't be sexual abusers. (I think. )


Yes that is true but how is Wade going to find someone in the companies to say their knew about the abuse and did nothing about it. It like the judge is given Wade more time to come up with more lies and excuses. If Wade didn't have enough on sexual abuse how is he going prove that the companies are negligent?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Question do you think this judge is bending the rules alittle for Wade or do you think he is going by the Laws?

Just like GreenEyes said the case (Elmo)was dismiss because of the statutes what is the different in Wade case he miss the statutes too so why is this judge even dealing with this why keep this messy going on top of that this judge is telling Wade and his lawyers what their need to do to improve their case this is just unreal.


If this was not about Michael Jackson this case would't have gotting this far because it would have been toss out. I really can't believe this judge is going to fool around with this. Why give Wade and his lawyers another chance to bring more lies and excuses.
 
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It is disappointing and it does seem as if this California judge is bending over backwards to accommodate these past the statute complaints.

The Kevin Clash (Elmo) cases were dismissed by the Pennsylvania judge (based on New York statutes) - tossed out - end of story period. He was not fooling around with it. But not this California judge. :(
The Kevin Clash case seemed like it took too long (in my opinion) to get thrown out. But even if it had just been one day, he was ruined. He had been on PBS for years and years with Elmo, and he had to leave-his career was over.

I just just heard of Kevin Clash when his documentary came out a few years ago and everyone was so surprised that the high squeaky voice of that adorable, cuddly Elmo was really a very tall, very masculine black guy. He was a guest on all the talk shows.

And I hate to say it, but while I was watching it, I told myself 'you watch-he's a sitting duck for a charge of pedophilia'-and it happened like a year later. I hate to be so suspicious these days of false allegations and I just couldn't sit back and enjoy that documentary like everybody else. It's infuriating to me, and it's infuriating that the legal system drags on and on and on, so these very talented people are ruined forever.

I'm interested to see if the allegations against Bryan Singer will hurt his career-I understand that they were trying to settle and the accuser's attorney even quit, so maybe that will help vindicate him.

I truly hope that Kevin Clash can go back to PBS or something even better.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Question do you think this judge is bending the rules alittle for Wade or do you think he is going by the Laws?

Just like GreenEyes said the case (Elmo)was dismiss because of the statutes what is the different in Wade case he miss the statutes too so why is this judge even dealing with this why keep this messy going on top of that this judge is telling Wade and his lawyers what their need to do to improve their case this is just unreal.


If this was not about Michael Jackson this case would't have gotting this far because it would have been toss out. I really can't believe this judge is going to fool around with this. Why give Wade and his lawyers another chance to bring more lies and excuses.

Re the statutes--they are different laws for each state--PA vs CA. These cases are not federal--they are under state laws and CA has IMO very wide (you can drive a truck through it) latitude in the laws re sex abuse of minors/children under 14. However, having said that, I think this judge is going too far even for CA laws in giving breaks. I am not impressed with him or with the Guardian Ad Litem Margaret Lodise. But I hope in the end he will throw this out.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What is the different between the Pa and Ca laws when it come to the statutes?

Under the Ca state laws correct me if i am wrong does it say you must file within a certain time frame?

I agree with what you are saying about this judge he is going to far yes but what this judge has done is let Wade and his lawyers get around the statutes by using the excuse i just now remember and couldn't file. So my question is why is this judge not going by the Ca laws that clearly say you must file and on top of that he tell them to go back and redo you case now how does that sound.

Sound to me like Wade is getting alot of favors going his way
 
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I agree with what you are saying about this judge he is going to far yes but what this judge has done is let Wade and his lawyers get around the statutes by using the excuse i just now remember and couldn't file. So my question is why is this judge not going by the Ca laws that clearly say you must file and on top of that he tell them to go back and redo you case now how does that sound.

Sound to me like Wade is getting alot of favors going his way

Yes. And I think there are some major issues with this case that the judge either doesn't know about or he is ignoring. And it's not fair, in my opinion. I know he doesn't want his decisions being challenged on appeal. But this case is a disaster. It's like nobody but MJ fans cares about how crazy it is. Disgusting.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I must say I am really waiting to see what the plaintiffs are going to write... I guess they will do their worst.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes. And I think there are some major issues with this case that the judge either doesn't know about or he is ignoring. And it's not fair, in my opinion. I know he doesn't want his decisions being challenged on appeal. But this case is a disaster. It's like nobody but MJ fans cares about how crazy it is. Disgusting.
Well, maybe it seems like that. But I know the Estate cares. Just for a moment pretend that they didn't care anything about Michael as a person-they would still want to fight this tooth and nail, and I'm sure they are, because they are more than aware what that 93 settlement did to Michael's life and career. And anything but fighting would ruin the legacy, the hard work they've put into it, and money out of their pockets-which I'm sure is astronomical.

Now this is strictly hypothetical because I personally feel they truly care about Michael as a person, but I'm just putting it out there as if he was John Doe, the superstar.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What is the different between the Pa and Ca laws when it come to the statutes?

Under the Ca state laws correct me if i am wrong does it say you must file within a certain time frame?

I agree with what you are saying about this judge he is going to far yes but what this judge has done is let Wade and his lawyers get around the statutes by using the excuse i just now remember and couldn't file. So my question is why is this judge not going by the Ca laws that clearly say you must file and on top of that he tell them to go back and redo you case now how does that sound.

Sound to me like Wade is getting alot of favors going his way

Re CA laws--they are really broad re child sexual abuse and refer (somewhat obliquely) to recovered memories--this law goes on and on forever(i think it's 14 pages long!).

340.1. (a) In an action for recovery of damages suffered as a
result of childhood sexual abuse, the time for commencement of the
action shall be within eight years of the date the plaintiff attains
the age of majority or within three years of the date the plaintiff
discovers or reasonably should have discovered that psychological
injury or illness occurring after the age of majority was caused by
the sexual abuse
, whichever period expires later, for any of the
following actions:
(1) An action against any person for committing an act of
childhood sexual abuse.
(2) An action for liability against any person or entity who owed
a duty of care to the plaintiff, where a wrongful or negligent act by
that person or entity was a legal cause of the childhood sexual
abuse which resulted in the injury to the plaintiff.
(3) An action for liability against any person or entity where an
intentional act by that person or entity was a legal cause of the
childhood sexual abuse which resulted in the injury to the plaintiff.
(b) (1) No action described in paragraph (2) or (3) of subdivision
(a) may be commenced on or after the plaintiff's 26th birthday.
(2) This subdivision does not apply if the person or entity knew
or had reason to know, or was otherwise on notice, of any unlawful
sexual conduct by an employee, volunteer, representative, or agent,
and failed to take reasonable steps, and to implement reasonable
safeguards, to avoid acts of unlawful sexual conduct in the future by
that person, including, but not limited to, preventing or avoiding
placement of that person in a function or environment in which
contact with children is an inherent part of that function or
environment. For purposes of this subdivision, providing or requiring
counseling is not sufficient, in and of itself, to constitute a
reasonable step or reasonable safeguard.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any claim for
damages described in paragraph (2) or (3) of subdivision (a) that is
permitted to be filed pursuant to paragraph (2) of subdivision (b)
that would otherwise be barred as of January 1, 2003, solely because
the applicable statute of limitations has or had expired, is revived,
and, in that case, a cause of action may be commenced within one
year of January 1, 2003. Nothing in this subdivision shall be
construed to alter the applicable statute of limitations period of an
action that is not time barred as of January 1, 2003.
(d) Subdivision (c) does not apply to either of the following:
(1) Any claim that has been litigated to finality on the merits in
any court of competent jurisdiction prior to January 1, 2003.
Termination of a prior action on the basis of the statute of
limitations does not constitute a claim that has been litigated to
finality on the merits.
(2) Any written, compromised settlement agreement which has been
entered into between a plaintiff and a defendant where the plaintiff
was represented by an attorney who was admitted to practice law in
this state at the time of the settlement, and the plaintiff signed
the agreement.
(e) "Childhood sexual abuse" as used in this section includes any
act committed against the plaintiff that occurred when the plaintiff
was under the age of 18 years and that would have been proscribed by
Section 266j of the Penal Code; Section 285 of the Penal Code;
paragraph (1) or (2) of subdivision (b), or of subdivision (c), of
Section 286 of the Penal Code; subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 288
of the Penal Code; paragraph (1) or (2) of subdivision (b), or of
subdivision (c), of Section 288a of the Penal Code; subdivision (h),
(i), or (j) of Section 289 of the Penal Code; Section 647.6 of the
Penal Code; or any prior laws of this state of similar effect at the
time the act was committed. Nothing in this subdivision limits the
availability of causes of action permitted under subdivision (a),
including causes of action against persons or entities other than the
alleged perpetrator of the abuse.
(f) Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter the
otherwise applicable burden of proof, as defined in Section 115 of
the Evidence Code, that a plaintiff has in a civil action subject to
this section.
(g) Every plaintiff 26 years of age or older at the time the
action is filed shall file certificates of merit as specified in
subdivision (h).
(h) Certificates of merit shall be executed by the attorney for
the plaintiff and by a licensed mental health practitioner selected
by the plaintiff declaring, respectively, as follows, setting forth
the facts which support the declaration:
(1) That the attorney has reviewed the facts of the case, that the
attorney has consulted with at least one mental health practitioner
who is licensed to practice and practices in this state and who the
attorney reasonably believes is knowledgeable of the relevant facts
and issues involved in the particular action, and that the attorney
has concluded on the basis of that review and consultation that there
is reasonable and meritorious cause for the filing of the action.
The person consulted may not be a party to the litigation.
(2) That the mental health practitioner consulted is licensed to
practice and practices in this state and is not a party to the
action, that the practitioner is not treating and has not treated the
plaintiff, and that the practitioner has interviewed the plaintiff
and is knowledgeable of the relevant facts and issues involved in the
particular action, and has concluded, on the basis of his or her
knowledge of the facts and issues, that in his or her professional
opinion there is a reasonable basis to believe that the plaintiff had
been subject to childhood sexual abuse.
(3) That the attorney was unable to obtain the consultation
required by paragraph (1) because a statute of limitations would
impair the action and that the certificates required by paragraphs
(1) and (2) could not be obtained before the impairment of the
action. If a certificate is executed pursuant to this paragraph, the
certificates required by paragraphs (1) and (2) shall be filed within
60 days after filing the complaint.
(i) Where certificates are required pursuant to subdivision (g),
the attorney for the plaintiff shall execute a separate certificate
of merit for each defendant named in the complaint.
(j) In any action subject to subdivision (g), no defendant may be
served, and the duty to serve a defendant with process does not
attach, until the court has reviewed the certificates of merit filed
pursuant to subdivision (h) with respect to that defendant, and has
found, in camera, based solely on those certificates of merit, that
there is reasonable and meritorious cause for the filing of the
action against that defendant. At that time, the duty to serve that
defendant with process shall attach.
(k) A violation of this section may constitute unprofessional
conduct and may be the grounds for discipline against the attorney.
(l) The failure to file certificates in accordance with this
section shall be grounds for a demurrer pursuant to Section 430.10 or
a motion to strike pursuant to Section 435.
(m) In any action subject to subdivision (g), no defendant may be
named except by "Doe" designation in any pleadings or papers filed in
the action until there has been a showing of corroborative fact as
to the charging allegations against that defendant.
(n) At any time after the action is filed, the plaintiff may apply
to the court for permission to amend the complaint to substitute the
name of the defendant or defendants for the fictitious designation,
as follows:
(1) The application shall be accompanied by a certificate of
corroborative fact executed by the attorney for the plaintiff. The
certificate shall declare that the attorney has discovered one or
more facts corroborative of one or more of the charging allegations
against a defendant or defendants, and shall set forth in clear and
concise terms the nature and substance of the corroborative fact. If
the corroborative fact is evidenced by the statement of a witness or
the contents of a document, the certificate shall declare that the
attorney has personal knowledge of the statement of the witness or of
the contents of the document, and the identity and location of the
witness or document shall be included in the certificate. For
purposes of this section, a fact is corroborative of an allegation if
it confirms or supports the allegation. The opinion of any mental
health practitioner concerning the plaintiff shall not constitute a
corroborative fact for purposes of this section.
(2) Where the application to name a defendant is made prior to
that defendant's appearance in the action, neither the application
nor the certificate of corroborative fact by the attorney shall be
served on the defendant or defendants, nor on any other party or
their counsel of record.
(3) Where the application to name a defendant is made after that
defendant's appearance in the action, the application shall be served
on all parties and proof of service provided to the court, but the
certificate of corroborative fact by the attorney shall not be served
on any party or their counsel of record.
(o) The court shall review the application and the certificate of
corroborative fact in camera and, based solely on the certificate and
any reasonable inferences to be drawn from the certificate, shall,
if one or more facts corroborative of one or more of the charging
allegations against a defendant has been shown, order that the
complaint may be amended to substitute the name of the defendant or
defendants.
(p) The court shall keep under seal and confidential from the
public and all parties to the litigation, other than the plaintiff,
any and all certificates of corroborative fact filed pursuant to
subdivision (n).
(q) Upon the favorable conclusion of the litigation with respect
to any defendant for whom a certificate of merit was filed or for
whom a certificate of merit should have been filed pursuant to this
section, the court may, upon the motion of a party or upon the court'
s own motion, verify compliance with this section by requiring the
attorney for the plaintiff who was required by subdivision (h) to
execute the certificate to reveal the name, address, and telephone
number of the person or persons consulted with pursuant to
subdivision (h) that were relied upon by the attorney in preparation
of the certificate of merit. The name, address, and telephone number
shall be disclosed to the trial judge in camera and in the absence of
the moving party. If the court finds there has been a failure to
comply with this section, the court may order a party, a party's
attorney, or both, to pay any reasonable expenses, including attorney'
s fees, incurred by the defendant for whom a certificate of merit
should have been filed.
(r) The amendments to this section enacted at the 1990 portion of
the 1989-90 Regular Session shall apply to any action commenced on or
after January 1, 1991, including any action otherwise barred by the
period of limitations in effect prior to January 1, 1991, thereby
reviving those causes of action which had lapsed or technically
expired under the law existing prior to January 1, 1991.
(s) The Legislature declares that it is the intent of the
Legislature, in enacting the amendments to this section enacted at
the 1994 portion of the 1993-94 Regular Session, that the express
language of revival added to this section by those amendments shall
apply to any action commenced on or after January 1, 1991.
(t) Nothing in the amendments to this section enacted at the 1998
portion of the 1997-98 Regular Session is intended to create a new
theory of liability.
(u) The amendments to subdivision (a) of this section, enacted at
the 1998 portion of the 1997-98 Regular Session, shall apply to any
action commenced on or after January 1, 1999, and to any action filed
prior to January 1, 1999, and still pending on that date, including
any action or causes of action which would have been barred by the
laws in effect prior to January 1, 1999. Nothing in this subdivision
is intended to revive actions or causes of action as to which there
has been a final adjudication prior to January 1, 1999.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=ccp&group=00001-01000&file=335-349.4

note: re the references to 1999, the statute of limitations was altered in 1999 but CA tried to make it retroactive to BEFORE 1999 and it had to go all the way the to US Supreme Court before it was thrown out as unconstituional. That means CA was defending (on appeals too) an unconstitutional law--that's how far they went in the laws to support those making claims/charges of child sex abuse.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So Ca does have a law where you must file in a certain time frame which Wade has fail to do even after he knew in 2012 of the sexual abuse he still didn't file by Ca laws this case should be dismiss this judge shouldn't even be dealing with this is that wrong? That how i see it.
 
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Yes. And I think there are some major issues with this case that the judge either doesn't know about or he is ignoring. And it's not fair, in my opinion. I know he doesn't want his decisions being challenged on appeal. But this case is a disaster. It's like nobody but MJ fans cares about how crazy it is. Disgusting.



I agree with you 100% there is something wrong here just like it was mention this judge is given Wade every chance by telling them to go back and redo your case because it looks like negligence. Maybe this is what this judge is doing so that Wade can't appeal on his finale decision if this judge would have dismiss this case a long time ago he would by right be in the Ca laws because Wade miss every single deadline to file.


I know the laws are strong when it come to abusing a child you just don't do that Wade claim this happen for 7 years but he never told anyone he claim he had no memory of this until 2012 he til didn't file and why because Michael was control him and told him in 1993 that if you tell we will both go to jail i find that hard to believe that Michael threaten him.

Could this judge just maybe looking at the 1993 case where Michael settle and the case never when to trial because Michael's lawyers told him to pay Chandler off and move on he didn't have time to sit in a courtroom imo Michael should have been able to clear his name. We can guess but we don't know what this judge is thinking and yes it sad that the only ones whose know this is crazy is MJ fans because he is not here to answer to these false charges it is just unfair.
 
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Yes. And I think there are some major issues with this case that the judge either doesn't know about or he is ignoring. And it's not fair, in my opinion. I know he doesn't want his decisions being challenged on appeal. But this case is a disaster. It's like nobody but MJ fans cares about how crazy it is. Disgusting.


That why it is hard to know what this judge is think is he going by the Ca laws.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Here's an argument I hear a lot from people

They say that if Michael was a normal guy (As in not famous) then he would have been found guilty, and that it was because he was a celebrity was the reason why he (in their words) ''got away with it''


What they don't get is that if Michael was a normal guy then he never would have been accused in the first place because there would have been no money people could get off him
 
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Here's an argument I hear a lot from people

They say that if Michael was a normal guy (As in not famous) then he would have been found guilty, and that it was because he was a celebrity was the reason why he (in their words) ''got away with it''
Clearly an argument from people who don't know the first thing about that trial. The case was such a travesty, i still can't understand how sneddon got away with wasting so much public money on it.



jamba;4050791 said:
Re CA laws--they are really broad re child sexual abuse and refer (somewhat obliquely) to recovered memories--this law goes on and on forever(i think it's 14 pages long!).
I don't find them broad at all, at least compared to uk laws. You have timelimits, which in other calif cases have clearly been enforced, for reporting sex abuse. Also going by some of the precedent cases just claiming delayed discovery isn't enough, it has to be reasonable and is subject to tests. Uk allows criminal trials of sex abuse claimsgoing back decades, from people who just didn't feel they wanted to report it before. So far this judge hasn't really ruled on anything substantive, just asked for more info and allowed some discovery, so maybe we should wait to see if he actually allows these claims to go through before we bash him.

Off topic, the compensation scheme for jimmy saville victims has been announced. Those suffering rape will get £40k and sexual assault between £7k - £15k. The lawyers will get over £10k for each claim, the lawyers handling the scheme will get over a £1m. The sums seem really low, savilles's estate didn't have alot of money init, i think a few £million, but the bbc and nhs are parties to alot of the claims as well as they employed saville. Wonder if wade/jimmy wd be going through this palava for £40k.
 
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So far this judge hasn't really ruled on anything substantive, just asked for more info and allowed some discovery, so maybe we should wait to see if he actually allows these claims to go through before we bash him.
And this is the problem this judge has not really ruled on anything. By law the statute of limitations have ran out so this case should have ended. Wade first reason why he didn't file he had no memory of sexual abuse second reason his memory came back and now he really that he was abuse by Michael for seven years so far he has gotting around the statute of limitations so this is still going. Third reason he knew in 2012 but still doesn't file and why because Michael had control over him and told him in 1993 not to tell or we both will go to jail do you see how Wade has gottin around the limitations so far to keep this messy going and still no ruling from the judge yet.


Now we have the judge telling Wade he need to go back and redo your case not enough on sexual abuse look more like negligence so this is another chance for Wade. Like Petrarose said waiting to see what the plaintiffs are going to write... I guess they will do their worst.



Like it was said this judge doesn't want his decision appeal i understand that and maybe that why he is doing this before he ruled on this case. We just have to wait and see what happen.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have october 1st hearing transcript
 
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Will you post it?
 
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October 1 2014 Hearing Transcript - https://www.scribd.com/doc/244181549/Robson-Oct-1-2014-Hearing-Transcript

We got some answers

For Corporate defendants Robson lawyers were given the chance to leave to amend their complaint. No date/deadline given.

People involved with corporations are John Branca, Norma Staikos, Richard Sherman. They held officer positions at the corporations.

Doe 1 / MJ hasn't been dismissed because everyone knows the case is involving MJ. Judge clearly says he can dismiss MJ in the future if for example he dismisses the rest of the claims with no chance to amend.

Judge doesn't really think they need discovery for the demurrer purposes.

I'm sure respect would make a better summary (which I would love to copy/steal :cheeky:).
 
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we dont know who the "corroborating doctor" is yet, right? i am really curious as to who helped wade cook this all up. he isn't that clever.

nightmare continues... "we would like to bring to the court's attention more than what just happened to wade.....numerous other children"
what filth. shame on all of them.
 
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^
Dr. David Arredondo
 
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Thank you Ivy for providing this.
 
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Ivy thanks so much for posting the hearing. It gives such a different and clearer picture when you read something yourself.

At the end there about letting the beneficiaries know, Marzono had a sort of tone in her language. Did anyone pick that up.

About the declarations--well we knew they were in there. We all know you can get professionals/experts to say anything to help your case. They have declarations from Wade, the doctor and a corroborating doc.
 
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Sorry you missed me with the tone line
 
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Why are all these leeches coming out NOW? Surely, if they realized this in 2009, they would have come out in 2009...so why wait 5 years?

It's just more torture for the Jackson family. I don't, and never will, believe that Michael was a pedophile, but even if he was, all of this stuff should have come out earlier!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He wasn't. It didn't come out earlier because WR was too busy praising him to anyone who would listen.

Yeah I picked up a bit on the tone. Regardless of what the reason, I feel uncomfortable her talking about the kids at all.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well I just took a look at it. She is the one who I believe is a big blow hard. This is the one who called one of the estate lawyer a liar and backed off when he called her on it
 
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