[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Justthefacts]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No it is not true

 

[LindavG]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No it is not true

Yes, it is. The kind of "empowerment" talk that Wade is doing is very popular in US culture. That's why he's choosing this angle to garner sympathy from the public. He knows that people will be hesitant to call him out when he speaks like this because that's considered socially unacceptable.

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think that's the guy behind MJFacts.info

It's some Asian woman behind that one. I think she pretends to have conversations with another, but really she has 2 twitter accounts and is just talking to herself.

 

[LindavG]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also, how presumptuous is he to think abuse victims even want to be represented by him or look up to him? I'm sure they can find better advocates than someone who praised a "child abuser" for 20+ years and testified in his defense in court - making another "victim" out to be a liar.

I see he changed his strategy once again, too. First he repressed his memories, then he didn't realise he was abused until last year, and now he was just "in denial" about it :smilerolleyes:

 

[shelly_webster]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

then he didn't realise he was abused until last year, and now he was just "in denial" about it :smilerolleyes:

It's the same.

 

[LindavG]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's the same.

Is it? I think "denial" implies that he realised all along that he was being abused but he just didn't want to admit it to himself, which would mean he purposely lied under oath to protect his "abuser". What I understood from his previous claim is that he didn't realise until last year that what happened to him was actually abusive, not that he was in denial about it.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also, how presumptuous is he to think abuse victims even want to be represented by him or look up to him? I'm sure they can find better advocates than someone who praised a "child abuser" for 20+ years and testified in his defense in court - making another "victim" out to be a liar.

I see he changed his strategy once again, too. First he repressed his memories, then he didn't realise he was abused until last year, and now he was just "in denial" about it :smilerolleyes:

That's why I think that his past of positive talking about Michael should be allowed to be brought up and considered by the judges when Wade starts talking his trash in court. Personally, I don't think it's fair that he should always have some kind of excuse to get out of the fact that he defended Michael for years and years including twice under oath in a court of law. I think he's throwing everything against the wall hoping that something will stick and raise his credibility with people who currently believe he's lying. Again, it's not fair.

 

[LindavG]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's why I think that his past of positive talking about Michael should be allowed to be brought up and considered by the judges when Wade starts talking his trash in court. Personally, I don't think it's fair that he should always have some kind of excuse to get out of the fact that he defended Michael for years and years including twice under oath in a court of law. I think he's throwing everything against the wall hoping that something will stick and raise his credibility with people who currently believe he's lying. Again, it's not fair.

His previous testimonies in court must count for something. What's the point of testifying under oath if you can simply retract everything later and say you were in denial.

I'm very curious to hear what the specific charges will be. I hope that Wade will go overboard with his accusations (Arvizo style) because that will only make him less credible. Who's going to believe Wade didn't realise he was abused until he was 29 when Michael was doing all these heinous things to him? He's already claimed some things that are virtually impossible to believe, for example that Michael used to call him daily back in 1993 to practice role playing. You mean to tell me Michael, who was all over the news for allegations of child abuse, called Wade (around 10 years old at the time) every single day and this raised no suspicions with the police, the FBI, Wade's mother, people around Michael, etc.? I'll assume Michael didn't practice these role playing games with Wade while Wade's family was sitting right next to him. So that means Wade must have left the room to be alone with Michael every time Michael called, day after day, and his mother didn't find that strange at all? If that's true, he should be suing his mother for negligence.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG brought a thought to me. Not only it is unlikely that Michael would have been role-playing with Robson, but we also have seen a few cases where families said that they lost contact with Michael when the first set of allegations came out. He was deliberately distancing himself from certain situations.

And we also have some proof that Michael put certain things in place to protect himself from being accused again - always having another adult present (the so-called co-conspirators of 2005) and always getting the permission of the parent.

Those are not the actions of a child molester, to my mind. It is the action of a responsible adult looking to do the right thing for himself and those around him

 

[8701girl]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

iane Dimond ?@DiDimond 20h
@wadeRobsonallys You know what? I'm not here to boost readership on your FB page. Really I've done enuf on MJ stories to last a lifetime.

Shes had enough of mjs stories really??? last i heard she was still dragging mj through the mud

 

[8701girl]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What I understood from his previous claim is that he didn't realise until last year that what happened to him was actually abusive, not that he was in denial about it

The thing is wade was a grown man when he testified in court in 2005 and he should've known what abuse was considering the fact that is what they were talking bout in trial its not like they were using code talk in court. Everyone knows what they accused mj of in 2005 so i dont understand how he could not know what abuse was .....it just doesnt make sense lol

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

His previous testimonies in court must count for something. What's the point of testifying under oath if you can simply retract everything later and say you were in denial.

I agree. This whole mess is just pathetic.

 

[8701girl]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

On another mj forum they talked bout closing all wade threads down cuz it looks like wade & his team are looking through mj forums


Do u guys think we should do this?

 

[qbee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

On another mj forum they talked bout closing all wade threads down cuz it looks like wade & his team are looking through mj forums

Do u guys think we should do this?

No I don't think we should - they can't see this forum (its private) They can't see that Wade is even being discussed here on MJJC. Its not listed and doesn't show up in search Engines either. Even if they could, all info here can be used against Wade _ There is no info here Wade can use as a defense. And if someone is posting a defense for Wade here, I would like to see it.

 

[8701girl]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No- they can't see this forum (its private) even if they could all info here can be used against Wade anyway _ There is no defense here for Wade to use. If someone is posting a defense for wade here please show me.

But what if they joined the forum pretending to be mj fans though?

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:blink:

 

[qbee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But what if they joined the forum pretending to be mj fans though?

They still have to post 10 posts showing they are a fan before they are upgraded and like I said there is nothing here for their defense. I don't even understand boards thinking like that. What if fan boards would have done that during MJ 2005 trial cutting fans off from information or discussion because prosecution might see it. It isn't necessary .. Don't be worried or afraid :better: I know for fact Mjonline team can and do see as well.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade Robs-them opens his lying trap again by writing to child abuse facebook pages:

"There are millions of survivors of child sexual abuse out there who are suffering in silence and/or denial, as was I.

Silence and denial is one thing. But there aren't millions of survivors of child sex abuse going around praising their abuser to whoever would listen for 20 years and also testifying for them twice under oath.

He sounds really desperate.

And this whole champion of abuse victims posturing is disgusting from him. If what he says is true (it isn't, but just for arguments sake) then he actively helped to let a child abuser get off the hook, not thinking of other (past or potential future) victims. So either way this is either hypocritical or downright disgusting from him.

Whoever said Robson is more despisable than Jordan, Jason and even Gavin was right. At least they have the excuse that they were kids under the influence of their greedy parents (or in Jason's case he was basically pressured into it by the police by improper interviewing techniques), but this is beyond disgusting. And Jason and Gavin also have the excuse that they were never really friends of Michael. Jordan was someone Michael considered a friend but he had an agressive, violent, greedy and lunatic father who basically threatened him into the whole thing. Wade is an adult, acting on his own free will and doing it to someone to whom he posed as a friend while he was alive. Wade really takes the cake from all MJ's accusers! This is beyond disgusting! I don't know how he can look into the mirror.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

His previous testimonies in court must count for something. What's the point of testifying under oath if you can simply retract everything later and say you were in denial.

I'm very curious to hear what the specific charges will be. I hope that Wade will go overboard with his accusations (Arvizo style) because that will only make him less credible.

I think claiming 7 years of abuse is already going overboard compared to the other accusers. Jordan and Gavin claimed abuse only for a short period of time while they were around 12-13 years of age. It seems to me Wade wants to make use of all the time he spent near Michael so that he can throw as many instances of alleged abuse at him as possible (so that he can claim more money).

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG brought a thought to me. Not only it is unlikely that Michael would have been role-playing with Robson, but we also have seen a few cases where families said that they lost contact with Michael when the first set of allegations came out. He was deliberately distancing himself from certain situations.

And we also have some proof that Michael put certain things in place to protect himself from being accused again - always having another adult present (the so-called co-conspirators of 2005) and always getting the permission of the parent.

Those are not the actions of a child molester, to my mind. It is the action of a responsible adult looking to do the right thing for himself and those around him

There were a few families Michael didn't distance himself from after the allegations - unfortunately the Robsons were among them.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The Friends of the Children's Justice Center of Maui, the organization Wade now pretends to support, lists these as typical signs of abuse on their website:

Learn the signs of child abuse and neglect.

It can be difficult to know when a child is being abused; their reactions can vary by personality, culture or age. Common clues to watch for include:

Multiple or unusual injuries. Visible signs may include burns, cuts or bruises. You may also hear inconsistent or overly rehearsed explanations of injuries.

Changes in mood and behavior. Abused children can appear more aggressive, scared, anxious, depressed or withdrawn. They may be anxious about leaving school or going places with the abuser.

Changes in eating or sleeping. Stress, fear and anxiety caused by abuse can lead to weight gain or loss, frequent nightmares, difficulty sleeping or extreme fatigue.

Changes in school performance and attendance. Abused children may have difficulty concentrating in school or have excessive absences. A child may also present as an overachiever and possibly be hyper-vigilant about grades or school activities.

Lack of personal care or hygiene. Children may appear uncared for or exhibit poor hygiene as a result of parental neglect or sexual abuse.

Risk-taking behaviors. Young people who are being abused may engage in high-risk activities such as using drugs or alcohol, carrying a weapon or overly sexualized behavior.

If a child discloses to you, don't confront the abuser. Let the child know you believe them and don't blame them; talk to a professional.

http://www.mauicjc.org/index.php/community-resources/learn-the-signs-of-child-abuse-and-neglect

I guess Wade is not that typical after all? LOL.

 

[AliCat]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Whether a woman is raped or a child is raped, their perpetrator does not respect them. It is a degrading thing and that's the purpose of why these violent acts are done to the innocent. That's the pattern. That's why it is unacceptable what Wade Robson is campaigning now.

What is funny is he is making the whole allegations against Michael Jackson look fabricated, all for money. Wade Robson is a perpetrator, trying to destroy an innocent man's reputation who isn't even alive to defend himself. Wade Robson has no respect for Michael Jackson and what Michael Jackson did in being a friend to his family when he was breaking into the American marketplace to be a dancer.

As we all know, Evan Chandler was on the same level, because of what he did to his son, Jordy Chandler, with the dumbells and the mace in the face. A restraining order was issued. This is a man who did not respect his son, much less Michael Jackson. The humility you see in Michael Jackson gave him his inner strength to keep persevering. You don't see this in Wade Robson nor in Evan or Jordy Chandler, etc.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The list of the signs of child abuse and neglect, unfortunately could be applied to a lot of other problems as well, such as a person on drugs or a MICA person. That is the problem with these lists.

Now what abused person in despair over the horrible things that a molester did to him, decides to open a facebook account & advertise. The big problem with Wade is that since he was not molested, he lacks the emotional aspect that goes with the abuse, so he simply sits at a computer and write what a therapist told him & what he read in the books. I am sure if an investigator checks Amazon and Barnes & Noble, he will find out that Wade bought books on the subject, before he claimed he had the collapse. If I did not have to buy transcripts, I would pay an investigator to do some investigation on Wade and put the information in a facebook account. I would want to know what he has been doing the last 2 years, who he saw, what he said, his finances, his job situation, and about the wife too, because she is in it with him. Then, I would write a book and publish it online.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I would want to know what he has been doing the last 2 years, who he saw, what he said, his finances, his job situation, and about the wife too, because she is in it with him. Then, I would write a book and publish it online.

If it goes to court all that will come out IMO. I agree the wife is in it with him. And I think Chantal too. It was odd when she posted a link to that TMZ article where Wade's lawyer called MJ a monster and she wrote something like: "not my words, just sharing knowledge". It seemed odd to me why would she be apologetic about that language by the lawyer if she believed Wade was truly molested by MJ? And her whole "knowledge" this, "knowledge" that talk sounds so much like what Wade is doing - ie. taking his story from books and not from reality. Of course, it's possible that Wade just made her believe this, but I have the feeling she is in it.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes she is in with Wade. If your bother tells you he was molested by a person you know, you are going to ask a lot of questions, because you will be shocked. You will ask when, where, how. You may say how come I never noticed? Your brother would then give you a narrative with details, not this textbook nonsense. If he gave her a textbook response, she would look at him odd, & wonder what was going on. The mere fact that she is also using all this book jargon, shows she asked him what to say or they planned this together. I feel he planned this with another person or persons. He will be in the front, and they will share the money.

It seems Wade has a lot of time on his hands now that he is not in show business. I guess that is why he is on the internet. His wife will have to bring home the bacon now.

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If it goes to court all that will come out IMO. I agree the wife is in it with him. And I think Chantal too. It was odd when she posted a link to that TMZ article where Wade's lawyer called MJ a monster and she wrote something like: "not my words, just sharing knowledge". It seemed odd to me why would she be apologetic about that language by the lawyer if she believed Wade was truly molested by MJ? And her whole "knowledge" this, "knowledge" that talk sounds so much like what Wade is doing - ie. taking his story from books and not from reality. Of course, it's possible that Wade just made her believe this, but I have the feeling she is in it.

Me too.

I believe many know about this! even his mother knows, but I believe she doesn't want any involvement in it & that could explain why she recently effed off to Australia.

I also believe a close family friend of his named Gregory is on it also & his lawyer Helen Yu.

Gregory it the only person he has added to his facebook and he (Gregory) has mentioned (practically advertising) Wade's story numerous times on facebook, which I find slightly odd.

Also Helen Yu has been his lawyer for 13 years, on her website is a comment from Wade saying she is "loyal" and she has " a personal yet professional approach".

She also wrote an article on her website shortly after MJ's death titled: "Musical Artists: Worth More Dead Than Alive? Michael Jackson and Elvis Generate Millions for Their Estates".

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Me too.

I believe many know about this! even his mother knows, but I believe she doesn't want any involvement in it & that could explain why she recently effed off to Australia.

She won't be able to avoid being involved if it goes to court. And she won't look good if it does. If someone wants to believe Wade's claims then how does that make Joy look like? Very, very bad. Then she should be among the other DOES Wade is suing, not Michael's companies.

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

She won't be able to avoid being involved if it goes to court. And she won't look good if it does. If someone wants to believe Wade's claims then how does that make Joy look like? Very, very bad. Then she should be among the other DOES Wade is suing, not Michael's companies.

Huge 'IF' it goes to court, it's a possibly she is hoping it will not. And If it does go to court then I would imagine she would then have to stick up for her son and lie as most mothers would do to protect their children.
It would also be interesting to see her testimony suddenly do a 180o and suddenly she *remembers something odd happening between MJ and her son, something that never re-jogged in her memory when MJ was accused in 93 and 03.
I mean if you are knew someone who was accused of child abuse and your kids were around that person whoever that person was then you would you go over everything in your head and look out for signs, signals, any odd or unusual happenings.
She probably already did this many times and noticed nothing out of the ordinary, but I bet now she suddenly will.

 

[MJJ Fan4321]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

On another mj forum they talked bout closing all wade threads down cuz it looks like wade & his team are looking through mj forums


Do u guys think we should do this?

I totally agree, could Qbee maybe get involved in this and make it happen?

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Huge 'IF' it goes to court, it's a possibly she is hoping it will not. And If it does go to court then I would imagine she would then have to stick up for her son and lie as most mothers would do to protect their children.
It would also be interesting to see her testimony suddenly do a 180o and suddenly she *remembers something odd happening between MJ and her son, something that never re-jogged in her memory when MJ was accused in 93 and 03.
I mean if you are knew someone who was accused of child abuse and your kids were around that person whoever that person was then you would you go over everything in your head and look out for signs, signals, any odd or unusual happenings.
She probably already did this many times and noticed nothing out of the ordinary, but I bet now she suddenly will.

Exactly. But whatever she makes up now how does her 2005 testimony looks like now that Wade claims to have been molested? For example, in that she says she never asked Wade, not even after the Chandler allegations, she just trusted Michael and let Wade sleep in his room. Compare that to the Cascios who were asked by Oprah whether they ever asked their kids about it. And Dominic said naturally they sat down with them, talked to them and asked them after the first allegations. That's how every normal parent would react. It's not a bad thing, it's not something against Michael to ask your children in that situation. It's just what a parent has to do. So IF it goes to court it will be inevitable that Joy would be called and that her testimony from 2005 would come up. And now that Wade claims to have been molested, it would only make her look very, very bad. No matter what, there's no getting around that for them. And if she now will claim she actually did notice "signs" or suspicious things then that will only make her look even worse for not even asking Wade about it. Just turning a blind eye on those "signs"? For what? Money? Career? That's exactly the narrative the prosecution was trying to push about these parents. How happy is Joy to embrace that portrayal of a pimp now? Because that's what she will have to embrace now if they claim this.