[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And sue Blanca Francia instead of using her as a lead witness. If anything proves Wade is lying it's that he's using Blanca's story to bolster his claims, if he was telling the truth he wouldn't need her and would want nothing to do with her. He should not be incorporating her stories into his narrative.

The hearing is just about filing under seal, there will likely be more hearings, hopefully under seal so the media won't hear more about them. But hopefully the estate will learn more about the specifics of Wade's claims so they can adequately start fighting back.

Other "victims" will suffer the same problems Wade is, which is that they have previously denied it before and will need to claim they only recently remembered it or recently suffered trauma about it. And how likely is that going to be that someone will suddenly hear Wade and become traumatized by abuse that happened 20-30 years ago and need money for it?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just fyi, Yashi said last night on her twitter after someone asked her about it that she did NOT date Wade, that it was just a rumor.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Post remove, already posted by another member "respect777"
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-lot-money-in-claims-against-michael-jackson/

This article states that Robson is asking for just $15,000, to reimburse him for psychotherapy sessions. I was under the impression that the documents were sealed, so who knows where this amount came from.

Also $15,000 is not a lot a money to ask for if it is going to have you in hiding for the rest of your life.

I think it's better to post the whole article to put things into a perspective:

Source: Wade Robson not asking for much money in sex abuse claims against Michael Jackson

LOS ANGELES – Michael Jackson was acquitted of all 14 child molestation charges in 2005, but now – eight years later – one of his key defenders is claiming that he was sexually abused by the King of Pop.

In April, Wade Robson, a 30-year-old Australian-born dancer and choreographer, came forward with claims that Jackson abused him for years as a child, labeling the music mogul – who died in 2009 –a “pedophile and a child sexual abuser.” Although Robson, a former MJ dancer in the ‘90s, previously testified on Jackson’s behalf, he has since asked a court to allow him to file a claim against the Jackson estate – alleging that Jackson’s companies MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures failed in their duty to protect him when they hired him from Australia to work with the star.

“This is not a case of repressed memory. I have never forgotten one moment of what Michael did to me, but I was psychologically and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse,” Robson recently told Matt Lauer on the “Today” show, adding that “manipulation and brainwashing” forced him to not reveal the truth. “He performed sexual acts on me and forced me to perform sexual acts on him… Because I’ve lived in silence and denial 22 years, I can’t spend another moment in that.”

However, the timing of Robson’s explosive claims – which come as the Jackson family is embroiled in a $40 billion wrongful death lawsuit against concert promoters AEG – has many raising eyebrows.

“Given that Jackson’s estate could now recover tens of millions in the suit against AEG, it is far too convenient and cynical to [now] make a monetary claim against the same estate,” California Criminal Defense Attorney David Wohl, told FOX411’s Pop Tarts column.

And Robson’s bombshell accusations have drawn mixed reactions from Jackson fans and foes.

Jermaine Jackson said the dancer was “full of s**t,” while a fan of MJ added via Twitter that “[Robson] said all that for attention and money.” Another weighed in: “Let MJ rest in peace. I don’t trust you/nor believe you.” And scores of others called Robson an “opportunist” and a “brainless fool.”

Acclaimed attorney Howard Weitzman, a lawyer for the famous family also issued a statement calling Mr. Robson’s “transparent lawsuit” both “outrageous and sad.”

“Mr. Robson has adamantly denied under oath and in numerous interviews over the past 20 years that Michael Jackson ever did anything inappropriate to him,” Weitzman stated. “He now wants us to believe that he committed perjury at least twice and has been lying to anyone and everyone about Mr. Jackson since the early ‘90s so he can file a claim for money.”

However, a source closely connected to the Jackson family told us that the dancer is not asking for much money at all, just reimbursement for his therapy sessions– likely totaling no more than $15,000.

Another insider also noted that, while the documents are sealed, Robson has not asked for any specific monetary damages.

“Rather, he would leave it to the court to decide what he deserves,” said the source. “This isn’t about the money for him. It’s about speaking the truth.”

And at least a few others have advocated their support.

“We live in a world where the victim is hated & the perpetrator is praised,” one Twitter user suggested. Another wrote: “I believe Wade Robson. Michael Jackson, talented and extraordinary, was a pedophile. And people must own it.”

And according to Los Angeles-based therapist Dr. Nancy Irwin, it can be extremely difficult for grown men to understand that they were sexually abused.

“It is quite easy to psychologically manipulate a child… Especially when you are a huge celebrity, particularly if the offenses are non-violent and the child is fond of the offender outside of the abuse,” she explained. “In this particular case, we may never know the truth because MJ is gone. If it is true, [Robson] has every right to at least receive victim restitution.”

A source close to the Jackson family also told us there is potential truth in his allegations.


“When [Robson] and his mother testified for MJ during the molestation trial, I immediately thought ‘wow, this guy was molested’ even though he denied it. His testimony was pretty startling and what was more startling was his mother’s testimony,” said the insider. “She said that when Michael was returning to the U.S. during the 1993 Jordan Chandler investigation, MJ called her at about 1:30 a.m. and demanded she bring Wade to Neverland because he wanted to spend the night with him… That testimony really stuck with me,” continued the insider. “I believe [Robson], but [the timing] has given people ammunition to say he is lying and only after money because he filed the claim.”

On that note, a Neverland housekeeper who previously testified in graphic detail that she saw a 7 or 8-year-old Wade Robson naked in the shower with the world-famous entertainer is, according to TMZ, slated to play a prominent role in whether Robson receives any monetary compensation from the estate in his new civil suit.

Robson has had a successful career as a dancer and choreographer, directing videos for the likes of Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears, and starring on television shows including "So You Think You Can Dance."

An attorney for Robson declined to comment, and a legal representative for the Jackson family did not respond to a request for further comment.

Their source is "a source closely connected to the Jackson family". The same "source" is also talking crap about Michael saying he thought he was guilty.

Who likes to pose as a "source close to the Jackson family" while tlking crap about Michael? That's right: Stacy Brown.

Why don't they name their source? Hmmm...

How would Brown (or anyone for that matter) know how much Robson demands when they haven't named the sum yet? The source also says "likely", which means the "source" is speculating.

Also how would anyone "close to the Jackson family" know this? The Jacksons don't know anything more about it than any of us, IMO. It's the Estate that is being sued and that is dealing with it, not the Jacksons.

This smells completely like some Stacy Brown BS to me.

On that note, a Neverland housekeeper who previously testified in graphic detaithat she saw a 7 or 8-year-old Wade Robson naked in the shower with the world-famous entertainer

Fox doesn't even know Blanca Francia's testimony, it seems. She didn't testify "in graphic detail". In fact, she wasn't even sure if she saw one or two people in the shower, let alone any detail, like whether they were naked or not.

And according to Los Angeles-based therapist Dr. Nancy Irwin, it can be extremely difficult for grown men to understand that they were sexually abused.

“It is quite easy to psychologically manipulate a child… Especially when you are a huge celebrity, particularly if the offenses are non-violent and the child is fond of the offender outside of the abuse,” she explained. “In this particular case, we may never know the truth because MJ is gone. If it is true, [Robson] has every right to at least receive victim restitution.”

Why does the article say it's hard for grown men to understand they were abused when the therapist talks about children? The media at it again twisting things. For grown men it's not hard to understand they were molested, especially if they are testifiying for the alleged molester in another case...

It seems like the media has just started the BS.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This reeks of Brown. Wrong details stupid information just a waste of space
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What's the hell is going on with the family? It's the second article where a family insider gave "info" to the media

As for Stacy brown you might be right. Diane Dimond said on facebook she believed WR is only asking money for his psychiatry, Stacy Brown left a comment on her facebook and Hollie McKay is a friend of Stacy Brown on facebook. SB was probably the source of the Daily Mail article.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What's the hell is going on with the family? It's the second article where a family insider gave "info" to the media

As for Stacy brown you might be right. Diane Dimond said on facebook she believed WR is only asking money for his psychiatry, Stacy Brown left a comment on her facebook and Hollie McKay is a friend of Stacy Brown on facebook. SB was probably the source of the Daily Mail article.

I'm 99.99% sure it's Stacy Brown. He's always introduced in articles as "a source close to the Jackson family" to try to make himself look credible and also to try to make it look like the family thinks MJ was guilty. I don't think anyone else who is actually really close to the family would say things like this.

I don't think WR will only ask money for psychiatry - or if he will then those "psychiatry bills" will be a lot higher than $15,000. There is a reason why they say WR was in a "career trajectory" etc. because of the abuse. They will blame his losing jobs all on MJ's alleged abuse and they will prize them all, IMO.
 
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Does stacy still speak for maureen.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Stacy Brown posted a link to that article on twitter 3 hours ago, so at the same time the article was posted on Internet.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Stacy Brown posted a link to that article on twitter 3 hours ago, so at the same time the article was posted on Internet.

Stacy is busted...

Diane Dimond said on facebook she believed WR is only asking money for his psychiatry

So Diane Dimond's FB speculations now became "fact"...
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And how likely is that going to be that someone will suddenly hear Wade and become traumatized by abuse that happened 20-30 years ago and need money for it?

Er batucci and kapon back in 03 hearing about the arvizos? They hadn't even met mj and yet remembered years and years of abuse from him so goodness knows what wade's story will dredge up in some memories.

How would Brown (or anyone for that matter) know how much Robson demands when they haven't named the sum yet? The source also says "likely", which means the "source" is speculating.

Also how would anyone "close to the Jackson family" know this? The Jacksons don't know anything more about it than any of us, IMO. It's the Estate that is being sued and that is dealing with it, not the Jacksons.

This smells completely like some Stacy Brown BS to me.
^Agree, it sounds like stacy (with some help from ddimond), esp with the bit about the trial testimony. He or the journalist will be trying to make it sound official by saying it's a source connected to the jacksons. You know how the media and the general public are just clueless about who runs mj's estate - alot act like it's mrs j that's in charge so they think it'll be totally believable that the family will know what's going on. That's it, if this stupid story gets picked up the jacksons just have to come out and rebutt it - it's just not fair to mj to let the public think that sources connected to the family think wade's claims have merit.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm 99.99% sure it's Stacy Brown. He's always introduced in articles as "a source close to the Jackson family" to try to make himself look credible and also to try to make it look like the family thinks MJ was guilty. I don't think anyone else who is actually really close to the family would say things like this.

I don't think WR will only ask money for psychiatry - or if he will then those "psychiatry bills" will be a lot higher than $15,000. There is a reason why they say WR was in a "career trajectory" etc. because of the abuse. They will blame his losing jobs all on MJ's alleged abuse and they will prize them all, IMO.


Yep, and the value of those lost jobs is going to be more than he's made in his entire career, especially when they factor in future losses as well. So predictable.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It seems like the media has just started the BS.


I knew this was going to start happening sooner or later. The media was just waiting for the mess to start building up with more people defending Wade and making excuses for this garbage. It was only a matter of time.
 
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Stacy is busted...



So Diane Dimond's FB speculations now became "fact"...

This is what she said

Diane Dimond Jack Furlong Thanks for writing, Jack, from the perspective of a lawyer who has actual experience with sexual vics and perps. More on this fellow Wade Robson: he claims he had not one but two nervous breakdowns after the birth of his son a few years ago. That, he said, was the trigger. Robson entered into extensive therapy with a well known San-Fran area based psychiatrist who has expertise with "adult survivors of child abuse" as his website says. About two years later - unable to work in his chosen field of choreographer (Robson has worked with celebrities like Justin Timerlake and Britney Spears among others) he got a lawyer to quietly filed papers. All the court filings were under seal - apparently never intended for the public to see. Somehow TMZ got the papers and broke the story. Interestingly, Robson's filing does not ask for a specific amount of money. Reading through the lines it appears he'd like to be reimbursed for psychiatric bills and lost wages. Maybe he wants more than that but the papers don't make it clear. One more interesting point a reader made to me: MJ's mother, Katherine Jackson can ask for multiple BILLIONS in her wrongful death suit against AEG and that is "Justice" according to the King of Pops fans. Robson, who alleges he was molested by MJ from ages 7 to 14, asks for unspecified compensation and he is automatically a "money grubber." Somethings askew there.
 
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Interestingly, Robson's filing does not ask for a specific amount of money. Reading through the lines it appears he'd like to be reimbursed for psychiatric bills and lost wages. Maybe he wants more than that but the papers don't make it clear.

Yep, I too think there will be lost wages claimed and I'm sure that will be a lot more than $15,000. But it's all just speculation as of now, yet Fox News acts like they have some legit insider source "in the know". The media just picked up where they left in 2005... Manipultions, lies, twisting things, selling mere speculations as legit insider info etc.
 
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^Ddimond is in the dark as much as everyone else - re the san fran psychiatrist, she's presumably going by the name on the filing of the affidiavit, which apparently is not the psychiatrist that wade went to for his therapy, it's just someone who has to attest to the therapy sessions. And she's being disingenious about the court filings being under seal, she knows that all court papers, including requests to seal, going to the mj estate are looked at and checked by tmz and others so there was not much chance of this one going under the radar. She doesn't have a clue what's in the papers, she's just guessing, and we know wade's lawyer has stated there is no specified monetary claim.

Lol at dimond saying mj fans are perfectly fine about mrs j asking for billions form aeg - she clearly doesn't visit mjjc.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Remember we all said Wade going on TV was going to be bad for him? Well stories like this prove it.
 
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If true, i think 15 000 would be the creditor's claim, then there is still the lawsuit for "possible" higher damges (In Wade's head. 15 000 sounds like a lot for a psychotherapy, don't you think ? He must have included further much needed sessions...)
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-lot-money-in-claims-against-michael-jackson/

This article states that Robson is asking for just $15,000, to reimburse him for psychotherapy sessions. I was under the impression that the documents were sealed, so who knows where this amount came from.

Also $15,000 is not a lot a money to ask for if it is going to have you in hiding for the rest of your life.

funny... didnt Wade say on national tv that he didnt sue for money?
 
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a source closely connected to the Jackson family
As soon as I read that, I immediately knew it was Stacy Brown. It's obvious. And it's obvious he's the one who sold the story to scummy tabloids about the "other two victims" coming forward. He was the first (and only) to make any mention of it.

I kinda thought this was all Wade's doing. But now I'm starting to believe that he is not working alone in this....
 
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If true, i think 15 000 would be the creditor's claim, then there is still the lawsuit for "possible" higher damges (In Wade's head. 15 000 sounds like a lot for a psychotherapy, don't you think ? He must have included further much needed sessions...)

But it's not true. Source is Stacy Brown. And apparently his source is Dimond's FB speculations.
 
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Notice how hard Wade and his camp are trying to get around the fact that Wade defended Michael TWICE under oath. I really think he's using the fact that a lot of people already believe Michael was guilty as a credibility crutch. And it's not fair. He can say anything he wants and because his lawsuit is a civil lawsuit, he doesn't have to prove it. I hate how he can do anything he wants, and the people he's hurting by doing this can't say anything about it.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Notice how hard Wade and his camp are trying to get around the fact that Wade defended Michael TWICE under oath. I really think he's using the fact that a lot of people already believe Michael was guilty as a credibility crutch. And it's not fair. He can say anything he wants and because his lawsuit is a civil lawsuit, he doesn't have to prove it. I hate how he can do anything he wants, and the people he's hurting by doing this can't say anything about it.

so can Branca and mcClain...And dont understimate Branca.....
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Stupid bitch Diane Demon, of course many of us called out The Jacksons for the ridiculous amount of money they're asking in the trial, not only Robson. Why the hell doesn't she point out he had his "chance" in 2005 but chose to testify on Michael's behalf? Did she forget "conveniently" he spent 20 years defending him! I hate her! :mat:
 
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so can Branca and mcClain...And dont understimate Branca.....


I hope Branca can get a team of lawyers together to deal with Wade's trash. Because to me, there are very serious problems with his claims and also with the excuses he gives for making them. And he shouldn't be allowed to get away with this. And especially not when his camp are trying so hard to erase his past of defending Michael like it doesn't matter.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^Ddimond is in the dark as much as everyone else - re the san fran psychiatrist, she's presumably going by the name on the filing of the affidiavit, which apparently is not the psychiatrist that wade went to for his therapy, it's just someone who has to attest to the therapy sessions. And she's being disingenious about the court filings being under seal, she knows that all court papers, including requests to seal, going to the mj estate are looked at and checked by tmz and others so there was not much chance of this one going under the radar. She doesn't have a clue what's in the papers, she's just guessing, and we know wade's lawyer has stated there is no specified monetary claim.

Lol at dimond saying mj fans are perfectly fine about mrs j asking for billions form aeg - she clearly doesn't visit mjjc.

Don't ya just love it. But she's always been clueless, even when she has facts, she's clueless.

And regardless of pro and con feelings of fans regarding the KJ suit, there is a big difference here.

It is a fact that MJ has died. It isn't that Wade was molested. The facts show just the opposite, and they came out of his own mouth.
 
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Did she forget "conveniently" he spent 20 years defending him! I hate her! :mat:

I think ddimond is emotionally and psychologically unable and unwilling to acknowledge this. She needs to find wade's therapist.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Ditto

She hates Michael and behaves like an obsessive psychotic fan at the same time, :wtf2!
 
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