Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Ashtanga]

Now THIS is a FUNKY dance tune...Let's Dance..!



As Always

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Video wonderful. A thousand times thank you.



And to all:


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[Sdeidjs]

Video wonderful. A thousand times thank you.



And to all:


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Awwe...Golly Gee Wilickers Ashtanga...Your very welcome..!

Thank You for sharing too..!

Now...Let's Dance~~~

unk:

As Always

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[Ashtanga]

Awwe...Golly Gee Wilickers Ashtanga...Your very welcome..!

Thank You for sharing too..!

Now...Let's Dance~~~

unk:

As Always

:angel:

:wild: :wild: :wild:


Thanks!!!

 

[No-Body]

Amazing videos and thoughts being shared. Way too deep talk about loneliness and isolation for me to get into at this hour, but i wanted to THANK YOU all for your words full of wisdom and truth and the amazing vids.

Sus, i hadn't heard Streetwalker in years, i really can't even remember when i heard it last; truth be told, from the new songs on the Bad special edition i was always drawn more to Fly away and the Spanish version of IJCSLY, but now that you done postin that wonderful link i was reminded whatta funky 'lil' song Streetwalker is lol. Don't even get me started on Why...

Ash, thank you for the vid - i wasn't familiar with this most inspiring artist. It's always lovely to hear people get their praise on.

Yesterday i ran by chance into some quotes which fit this thread, me thinks:

One word frees us
of all the weight and pain of life;
That word is love. - Sophocles

Love feels no burden, thinks nothing of trouble,
attempts what is above its strength,
pleads no excuse of impossibility
It is therefore able to undertake all things. - St. Thomas Aquinas

Nothing is sweeter than love;
nothing stronger, nothing higher,
nothing wider, nothing happier,
nothing fuller, nothing better
in heaven and earth...
love flies, runs, and rejoices;
it is free and nothing can hold it back. - Thomas a Kempis

 

[Ashtanga]

Amazing videos and thoughts being shared. Way too deep talk about loneliness and isolation for me to get into at this hour, but i wanted to THANK YOU all for your words full of wisdom and truth and the amazing vids.

Ash, thank you for the vid - i wasn't familiar with this most inspiring artist. It's always lovely to hear people get their praise on.

Oh, I love that song and I think we need a little of that here >>> :angel:

Yesterday i ran by chance into some quotes which fit this thread, me thinks:

One word frees us
of all the weight and pain of life;
That word is love. - Sophocles

Love feels no burden, thinks nothing of trouble,
attempts what is above its strength,
pleads no excuse of impossibility
It is therefore able to undertake all things. - St. Thomas Aquinas

Nothing is sweeter than love;
nothing stronger, nothing higher,
nothing wider, nothing happier,
nothing fuller, nothing better
in heaven and earth...
love flies, runs, and rejoices;
it is free and nothing can hold it back. - Thomas a Kempis

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It's all for L.OV.E. ... :wub:


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[8701girl]

Guys i want to write out this poem that i found and it made me think of michael


HIS JOURNEYS JUST BEGUN:


Dont think of him as gone away
His journey's just begun,
life holds so many facets-
this earth is only one.
Just think of him as resting
from the sorrows and the tears
in a place of warmth abd comfort
where there are no days and years.
Think how he must be wishing
that we could know today
how nothing but our sadness
can really pass away
And think of him as living
in the heartsof those he touched.....
for nothing loved is ever lost-
and he was loved so much.

 

[Safira]

:clapping:

It's all for L.OV.E. ... :wub:


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:sorcerer::bunny:

 

[Ashtanga]

:sorcerer::bunny:

And.....



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[MysteriousPhoenix]

I like everyone's posts on the loneliness thing.

I have another question for you (although I know I said I shouldn't analyze so much - guess that didn't last long, haha).

I was wondering what you guys thought about the line in YANA where MJ sings:

"I can hear your prayers ..."

How would you guys feel if MJ could really hear your prayers? Would that be a comfort to you or would that make you feel a little awkward? Discuss.

 

[Safira]

I like everyone's posts on the loneliness thing.

I have another question for you (although I know I said I shouldn't analyze so much - guess that didn't last long, haha).

I was wondering what you guys thought about the line in YANA where MJ sings:

"I can hear your prayers ..."

How would you guys feel if MJ could really hear your prayers? Would that be a comfort to you or would that make you feel a little awkward? Discuss.

hmm.. I would say awkward ^^
hmm I've actually speculated about that sentence from YANA.. Well, you could easily go crazy-overanalythical on it, but lets just stick with the idea that he had a very spiritual connection to this person that the song is for.

"I can hear your prayers" can be a metaphor that he understands her so much that he can almost read her thoughts.

 

[Ashtanga]

I like everyone's posts on the loneliness thing.

I have another question for you (although I know I said I shouldn't analyze so much - guess that didn't last long, haha).

I was wondering what you guys thought about the line in YANA where MJ sings:

"I can hear your prayers ..."

How would you guys feel if MJ could really hear your prayers? Would that be a comfort to you or would that make you feel a little awkward? Discuss.

I'm not good at these things :bugeyed, but something came in my mind.

I think it would be a comfort and does not have to be considered something strange.

But I think about the fans..............

Michael was always a very sensitive man and spiritual. Michael always knew about the thousands of fans around the world. Somehow he felt the deep love and admiration of thousands of fans for him. How? It is difficult to explain why there are thousands of fans and of course Michael did not know all these fans, but he knew of their love for him. He talked about this a few times. He always felt that love... and prayers too.

I think this is the same for: "I can hear your prayers..." Somehow he heard those prayers. How? It's really difficult to explain how Michael felt all these things, but most important is to see how he was always sensitive. All these things were so far away from him and he had the ability to feel all those things in some way: love and prayer for him.... and the distance does not really matter. :yes:

It is something sOOOOOOOOo special and personal, only Michael could explain all these things. And in my opinion......... He ALWAYS said many things between the lines many times and in different ways. :yes:


h34r:

 

[Safira]

I'm not good at these things :bugeyed, but something came in my mind.

I think it would be a comfort and does not have to be considered something strange. But I think about the fans... Michael was always a very sensitive man and spiritual. Michael always knew about the thousands of fans around the world. Somehow he felt the deep love and admiration of thousands of fans for him. How? It is difficult to explain why there are thousands of fans and of course Michael did not know all these fans, but he knew of their love for him. He talked about this a few times. He always felt that love... and prayers too.

I think this is the same for: "I can hear your prayers..." Somehow he heard those prayers. How? It's really difficult to explain how Michael felt all these things, but most important is to see how he was always sensitive. All these things were so far away from him and he had the ability to feel all those things in some way: love and prayer for him.... and the distance does not really matter. :yes:


h34r:

Your post was really beautifull! Some of what you wrote made me cry a tear.. Michael Jackson was such a good man in many ways. He was the best idol that any fan could wish for! Many famous people doesent really care about their fans, but Michael did. He was always so thoughtfull and caring to us. I wish that we all could've given just an inch back to him of what he gave us. Then he would be overflooded with love all the time :give_heart:

:boohoo: I know he knew that we appreciated everything he did..

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

"I can hear your prayers" can be a metaphor that he understands her so much that he can almost read her thoughts.

Yeah, it's hard to say if he meant it literally or not. I'm hoping it's more of a metaphor 'cause I know with myself, I like to really let everything out when I'm praying. I try to be as honest and open with God as I can be. I guess that wouldn't be so bad for him to hear, but what about the part where you confess your sins and stuff? Isn't that supposed to be between you and God alone? Well, maybe he's not saying he hears that part (I hope :mello.

It's interesting that you also mention reading thoughts. He also seems to claim in his songs, in a round about way, that he can also do that and he can also feel, sense, even see her ... and much, much more, lol! Is that a good thing or a scary thing? I dunno, maybe soul mates are just wired that way?

 

[Safira]

Yeah, it's hard to say if he meant it literally or not. I'm hoping it's more of a metaphor 'cause I know with myself, I like to really let everything out when I'm praying. I try to be as honest and open with God as I can be. I guess that wouldn't be so bad for him to hear, but what about the part where you confess your sins and stuff? Isn't that supposed to be between you and God alone? Well, maybe he's not saying he hears that part (I hope :mello.

It's interesting that you also mention reading thoughts. He also seems to claim in his songs, in a round about way, that he can also do that and he can also feel, sense, even see her ... and much, much more, lol! Is that a good thing or a scary thing? I dunno, maybe soul mates are just wired that way?

Soulmates are wierd..
I don't think he could litterally hear her prayers.
When talking about love in a song, it will always be a little metaphoricly and spiritual.

And soulmates do have some wierd abilities to feel eachother on distance. Not like they know "now she's sad", "now she's talking to her mother" or something like that. But more in a energy-kinda-way. I don't know if its when they are both thinking of eachother at the same time. But I've experienced it myself.. Also in dreams.

 

[Ashtanga]

Your post was really beautifull! Some of what you wrote made me cry a tear.. Michael Jackson was such a good man in many ways. He was the best idol that any fan could wish for! Many famous people doesent really care about their fans, but Michael did. He was always so thoughtfull and caring to us. I wish that we could ALL give just an inch back to him of what he gave us. Then he would be overflooded with love all the time :give_heart:

Thanks Safira! :give_heart:

Michael has always been incredible and unique with fans, as a father, as a human being and as a man. I always say that when God made Michael, He threw away the recipe to make another one like it. lol! :wild: I really have never seen another artist to be so beloved by fans as Michael is. And I've never seen another artist to have a connection soooooooo strong and especial with their fans like Michael always had. It's amazing and it is difficult to explain. :wild:

I admire and love other artists :yes:, but Michael will always be first on my list. Michael will always be TOP in my life and every day I really love him even more. :wub:

I never met Michael and he never knew of my existence (lol! :wild: :doh, but I know that somehow he felt and feel all my deep and sincere love for him, so it is with me and all the fans around the world. He feels and has always felt. All of us always live in the heart of Michael and we were always in his thoughts. If he always loved us more, we always love them more every day. :wub: :wub: :wub:

 

[Ashtanga]

And soulmates do have some wierd abilities to feel eachother on distance. Not like they know "now she's sad", "now she's talking to her mother" or something like that. But more in a energy-kinda-way. I don't know if its when they are both thinking of eachother at the same time. But I've experienced it myself.. Also in dreams.

I think there is something deeper than the distance. It is when you look in the eyes of the person and know what that person is feeling and thinking. For example: If this person lying to you, you will know and will feel for the look, speech, behavior. Presentiment? I believe. Why is there a voice within us that always tells us things and warns us. That voice never fails.

 

[Safira]

I think there is something deeper than the distance. It is when you look in the eyes of the person and know what that person is feeling and thinking. For example: If this person lying to you, you will know and will feel for the look, speech, behavior. Presentiment? I believe. Why is there a voice within us that always tells us things and warns us. That voice never fails.

You are so right.. There is also a psychological side of this soulmate stuff though. But I do believe that there is more to it than that!

 

[Rubi]

Ash, Safira
Beautiful words for each one of you
Neither have much to add.

But when I hear this phrase in YANA, "I can hear your prayers"
In prayer we speak of our desires and anxieties ... He can know what our desires and anxieties tb. The desires and sufferings of a human heart. And we are not alone ...

 

[Safira]

Ash, Safira
Beautiful words for each one of you
Neither have much to add.

But when I hear this phrase in YANA, "I can hear your prayers"
In prayer we speak of our desires and anxieties ... He can know what our desires and anxieties tb. The desires and sufferings of a human heart. And we are not alone ...

thanks and :angel:

 

[Ashtanga]

You are so right.. There is also a psychological side of this soulmate stuff though. But I do believe that there is more to it than that!

Yes, but I think all these things only happen when there is a contribution from the couple: when they have an open relationship and are always exchanging dialogues on all things life. Well, always be 100% transparent and honest in relationship. Only then can two people know each other so well.

Ash, Safira
Beautiful words for each one of you
Neither have much to add.

We are inspired today. And Michael contributes much for this.... always! :wub:

But when I hear this phrase in YANA, "I can hear your prayers"
In prayer we speak of our desires and anxieties ... He can know what our desires and anxieties tb. The desires and sufferings of a human heart. And we are not alone ...

:wub:

 

[Sdeidjs]

A soulmate (s) is a person (s) with whom one (s) has a feeling of deep and natural affinity, love, intimacy, sexuality, spirituality, and/or compatibility.

The twin flame or twin soul – which is thought to be the ultimate soulmate, the one and only other half of one's soul, for which all souls are driven to find and join.

"Even though twin souls are far apart, their flame, the cosmic energy they possess will not allow them to be separate, and never really ever say goodbye..!"



As Always

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[Ashtanga]

"Even though twin souls are far apart, their flame, the cosmic energy they possess will not allow them to be separate, and never really ever say goodbye..!"



As Always

:angel:

Soooooooooo beautiful and deep...... I love this song. :wub: :wub: :wub:

 

[Ape]

I like everyone's posts on the loneliness thing.

I have another question for you (although I know I said I shouldn't analyze so much - guess that didn't last long, haha).

I was wondering what you guys thought about the line in YANA where MJ sings:

"I can hear your prayers ..."

How would you guys feel if MJ could really hear your prayers? Would that be a comfort to you or would that make you feel a little awkward? Discuss.

Well, something that seems like it could make sense is a completely different take on it.

Gees I was trying to find lyrics that I could cut and paste but no lyric place lets you do that now it seems. So I'll have to type them out.

"Another day has gone
I'm still all alone ....

Something whispers in my ear and says "You are not alone... " " etc

So to me it sounds like someone left him all alone and lonely and God whispers to him that he's not alone because God is with him. Even though they are far away, they are together and he's always in God's heart. Just the other night God heard him cry and ask Him to hold him in His arms. God can hear his prayers and will bear his burdens (God does this for us all) but first He needs your hand so forever (with God) can begin. Even after death, our relationship with God continues if we've given Him our hand right?

Then at the end he is telling the girl the same thing God told him, that if she wants him, he'll be there; she just has to "whisper three words and (he'll) come running" and he'll always hold her in his heart.


So I don't think it is that Michael is hearing anyone's prayers. He hears God tell him this. He is all lonely and feeling alone and then is reminded that he is not really alone because God is with him, God hears his prayers and will help him bear his burdens. So then he feels renewed I guess, and wants to be there for the one who left him alone just the way God is there for us because that is what love is. God still loves us when we turn away and leave him just as the woman left Michael (or whomever the song is about, if not Michael), and his love will continue on for the one who left him just like God's love.

I hope that was easy enough to follow. :angel:

(P.S. I just saw a rough draft of my movie and it's good, but they still have lots of work to do on it and probably will make lots of cuts to it because it's too long and they have unnecessary things in it. I had the easy part. Acting has got to be so much easier than editing and making the sound all perfect and all that stuff that I'm not a part of. So possibly the premiere date will be postponed in order to make it better. )

 

[Ashtanga]

So to me it sounds like someone left him all alone and lonely and God whispers to him that he's not alone because God is with him. Even though they are far away, they are together and he's always in God's heart. Just the other night God heard him cry and ask Him to hold him in His arms. God can hear his prayers and will bear his burdens (God does this for us all) but first He needs your hand so forever (with God) can begin.

Michael was always very spiritual and I believe he always knew he was never really alone. God is always watching us and doing their job. But sometimes when we are disappointed, sad or bad in a situation where we do not know what to do and which path to follow, God sends his signs just to remind us that we are never alone. I'm sure God did so many with Michael. Somehow we feel God's presence and feel his constant acting in our lives... ALWAYS!!! :yes:

:angel:

(P.S. I just saw a rough draft of my movie and it's good, but they still have lots of work to do on it and probably will make lots of cuts to it because it's too long and they have unnecessary things in it. I had the easy part. Acting has got to be so much easier than editing and making the sound all perfect and all that stuff that I'm not a part of. So possibly the premiere date will be postponed in order to make it better. )

:wild:

Do not forget to tell us the news. unk:

:cheers:

 

[tha]

I like everyone's posts on the loneliness thing.

I have another question for you (although I know I said I shouldn't analyze so much - guess that didn't last long, haha).

I was wondering what you guys thought about the line in YANA where MJ sings:

"I can hear your prayers ..."

How would you guys feel if MJ could really hear your prayers? Would that be a comfort to you or would that make you feel a little awkward? Discuss.

What a difficult question, MP! :lol:
Well, I don't know....at the same time I think it would be a comfort I think would be a little awkward too! I don't know how to explain, but I think if he could hear my prayers I would see him like a kind of God and although his grandiosity, I don't want to see him like a God!
I don't know if I can make you understand me, but it is what I think!

 

[No-Body]

Wow, truly beautiful and inspiring posts everybody, truly beautiful. :clapping: I wanted to go back a bit to the whole loneliness talk you guys were having earlier cause I ran by a photo that I think illustrates perfectly what Michael went through for most of his life. I haven't got a clue how and where from I saved this, but considering Wayne Nagin is in the picture I would have to guess it's somewhere around 1997, maybe when he went to Cannes to present Ghosts at the 50th festival....

What is truly amazing about this picture is the fact that Michael is THE only one looking at that particular photographer and beyond his inate entertainment sense and the total showman he was (knowing exactly when and where to look so the camera can capture in the best possible way any of his movements), what that picture also shows is how he was the only one calm in all that madness; I could use another word, but it would be far too strong and it would offend the rest of the people in the picture and that wouldn't be right.

I don't know if that's the name of pic 'trapped eyes' as I originally saved it or if that's what I saw, but I think it does fit it to a certain extent. He does look like a deer trapped in the headlights, BUT, at the same time, I detect a sense of resignation, if not peace from a man who was used to that kind of chaos which had long become a way of life for him and which, might have been, at times, as weird as it sounds, a comforting environment.

We gotta remember that fame was what Michael knew for almost all of his life - the look in his eyes says something like 'hey, this is my life, see what it's like in my world?' I think he got used to this lifestyle so much so I can almost imagine him feeling strange when there wasn't such chaos around him. That might have been for him a reassurance of sorts of how much he mattered and he was loved; it's obvious how hungry he was for love and appreciation and what a deep sense of insecurity and inadequateness (is that even a word?) he must have felt throughout his life in spite of his amazing achievements.

Having said that, I am also convinced, as he said himself so many times, he would have loved nothing better than to be able to go out and do stuff that like rest of us who have the luxury of anonimity. I don't think any of us can properly understand what it must have been like for him and what a privilege it is to go about your own business without the world judging and disecting every word, every movement and every gesture. The ability to mess up without everyone judginging you is a privilege not afforded to the famous and it's something most of us take for granted; I actually think it's something to be cherished and to relish in.

As much of a breaking 'news' as it might have been to many – Michael Jackson was human – he cut, be bled, he hurt, he loved, he made mistakes just like everyone else, in spite of his out of this world fame and life; in the eyes of the Lord he was simply another of His children. As Ash put it so nicely – God did throw out the recipe after he was done with creating Michael, but the funny thing about that is that's what He does with each and every single human being being born and that is why cloning is such an abomination.

Notwithstanding, it would not be realistic to fail to recognize the fact that throughout history God does use certain people for the sake of all humanity and bestows upon them great gifts and huge responsibility to be leaders of entire generations and speak to the hearts and minds of people the world over and beyond time.

Because of the particular economic and technological conditions which do make this world of ours a global, colorful, messed up but beautiful little village, Michael had the opportunity to touch the world like no other artist – to sing and dance to the world and for the world. Many were receptive to the beautiful message he had to deliver, some were indifferent and some were downright vicious; too darn bad actually cause Michael managed to beautifully keep his innocence and purity and love in spite of the awful blows life and the world threw at him ocassion after another; the true loss is for those who were not and to this day are not capable of understanding the brilliance of what he had to offer – a voice raised against injustice pleading for love and harmony among individuals and nations.

Safira was perfectly right – he wasn't different from anyone else, his life was. There ain't no way he could have been all that different from everyone cause if that were the case he would not have been able to create art which could touch people of such different backgrounds. There was and still is a wonderful universalism in what Michael sang and did during all his life – the call of love which knows no distinction and barrier of any kind.

Y'all know that saying – to the world you are one person, but to one person you are the world. It is being used and overused that it is almost a cliché, I can't help but wonder though – Michael most definitely meant and means the world to millions of people all over the world (we got a few of us right here, right? :cheeky, but maybe what he needed all along was someone other than his love of God, his children and love of humanity to mean the world to him? As much comfort as you can find in all those kind of loves, there is a sense of lack of completion when you don't have a soul to share dreams and failures with.

But to round up the circle and come back to the picture I posted, I would also have to say that beyond the showmanship and 'there abandoned in his fame' type of situation I also see another sparkle in his eyes – a filtracious, 'come and get me' attitude, which, as everything else, simply made him another regular man faced only with some extraordinary circumstances, nothing more, but certainly nothing less either. But then again, maybe it's safer not to assume anything - with all that crowd someone could very well have stepped on one of his shoes and he could have been putting up a nice lil front tryin to act all detached and stuff when on the inside he would have like to scream or something lol.

Sorry for the length of the post and the randomness of some of thoughts – I'm not sure if what i'm tryin' to say makes any sense, but i'll have to take the late hours as my alibi.

P.S. Susie, thanks for that wonderful vid you done posting, lovely doesn't begin to describe it.

 

[8701girl]

Is it just me, or does it look as if michael is trying 2 say "help me" with his eyes?

 

[Sdeidjs]

Another one of Mr.Jackson's beautiful creations...and... I wholeheartedly believe unequivocally...to be one of many...of his greatest accomplishments..!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVoJ6OO6lR4

As Always

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[Ashtanga]

'hey, this is my life, see what it's like in my world?'

I think it is just that.

Look at all the madness around Michael's picture: paparazzi and many flashes.... chasing him.

Imagine all that you experience throughout your life and every time you leave your house? :bugeyed

What I see in the picture is that Michael was eager to run away to escape all this madness. So I can really imagine what Michael felt and thought about this situation.... various situations.

This is a great example of how Michael always spoke to us many times in various ways. :yes: I believe that these things often go unnoticed by us, for example, look at that picture of Michael, we never stop to think about it: "I wonder what Michael is trying to say and express with this look? or what will be Michael was thinking when the paparazzi got flagging this look?" Michael in this picture was taken by surprise by the paparazzi and this surely happened thousands of times.

So many things must have gone unnoticed by us.... Michael spoke and expressed himself so many times indirectly with us.

As Ash put it so nicely – God did throw out the recipe after he was done with creating Michael,

:wub:

Another one of Mr.Jackson's beautiful creations...and... I wholeheartedly believe unequivocally...to be one of many...of his greatest accomplishments..!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVoJ6OO6lR4

As Always

:angel:

:wub:

 

[Sdeidjs]

What can I say...without further a do~~~

Wonder what Mr.Jackson was thinking when he created "this" one....Anyone..?~~



As Always

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