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SOS can you please give a link to that? I never know where anything is in here anymore. Too much to see.
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You guys I have been looking and looking for it too. It was there I tell ya it was there!! :lol: I saw it just yesterday. I believe it was yesterday. I figured you all saw it and I was in a rush as usual and didn't save it. I just got off of the TMZ site to try and find it to no avail...sry... I promise u it was there. That same photo too, of the back of the girl wearing the white pants as she's facing the car...I guess MJ's car ... wasn't really paying close attention to the pic, mostly the article, but u guys have seen the photo I'm sure...it was that pic with the article.
Nice posts queen_g and Asedora (luv that name!) and I agree with you about those being the kinds of "walls" he could have meant in that song since he did also say, "I feel your fever from miles around", and "I can hear your prayers", so definitely he was 'connnected' with "her" in that way.
queen_g its interesting how a lot of things that occur fall in line with this thread, whether they are intentional or not on MJ's part, so maybe its sometimes too, the "Higher Power" lining things up for "all things" to "work together" for "the good" and sometimes it seems there's no better good than the love "vibe" in this thread.
edit: Asedora, I meant to mention, I know what you mean about "falling in love was in my plan" doesn't fit the context of, "I never thought that I would be your lover" and I agree. I'm open to it being both because I view the entire song as a sort of 'mosaic' where pieces don't all necessarily flow in a linear form according to the way I'm hearing it.
"and you said you wanted to go with me all the while" .
*leaves to go look for thread or article some more*
Nice posts queen_g and Asedora (luv that name!) and I agree with you about those being the kinds of "walls" he could have meant in that song since he did also say, "I feel your fever from miles around", and "I can hear your prayers", so definitely he was 'connnected' with "her" in that way.
queen_g its interesting how a lot of things that occur fall in line with this thread, whether they are intentional or not on MJ's part, so maybe its sometimes too, the "Higher Power" lining things up for "all things" to "work together" for "the good" and sometimes it seems there's no better good than the love "vibe" in this thread.
edit: Asedora, I meant to mention, I know what you mean about "falling in love was in my plan" doesn't fit the context of, "I never thought that I would be your lover" and I agree. I'm open to it being both because I view the entire song as a sort of 'mosaic' where pieces don't all necessarily flow in a linear form according to the way I'm hearing it.
I'd said that I'm hearing,Also, the line:"And you said won’t you go with me, on a while" or "you wanted to go with on a while" are two different things. I prefer the first one. It makes sense to me and I like it better that way
"and you said you wanted to go with me all the while" .
*leaves to go look for thread or article some more*
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Susie,:yes: Amazing post you had there about the color green.
You guys, I know this is gonna be really strange, but when I read that I immediatly thought of "Anne of green gables", especially the anime series, not the first association one would have made, I know.
I won't post all of them links with cartoon openings I saved all night cause it would be wayyy too much, but I would like to share with you some of my favorite childhood memories. It is kinda selfish of me to post some links which have songs in Italian when most people here do not use it, not to mention a bit impolite as well, but that is the language in which I came to see them, a language I came to learn and love. I'm sure many of you have seen these in your own language.
Green gables series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZPDMFQz5ck
There's also Heidi, probably my favorite ever cartoon series. I must have seen this about three or four times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI3qPvtYnv0&feature=related
Prince Valiant, an incredible story taking place at King Arthur's court http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYPJ87kfEfY
And last but not least http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZBuyCkmI A truly beautiful and touching story dealing with slavery in the deep South. The lyrics to the song are pretty meaningful as well.
The Japanese are truly amazing when it comes to this anime thing, aren't they? It's incredible what they did. I'm not entirely sure Prince Valiant was made there though; I think, as it was with the Smurfs series which was done in France, Prince Valiant might have also been produced in Europe; I'm not sure about it, but the design seems different to me.
If my mind serves me right, which usually doesn't, this is not the first time a cartoon has been used up in here, so I am not taking a complete detour. Sorry for highjacking the talk people.
And in a totally different line of thought now, does anybody else except fruity me think this is the calm before the storm that will be the movie? I can see an emotional roller coaster ride approaching. We better fasten our seatbelts and prepare our landing gear.
But until then, I'll leave you with another classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4&feature=related.
unk:Your very welcome...Thank You for your links as well...:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
I like that quote, Lily. I'm glad you posted it in here.(this thread moves fast!) Here they are:
I think, I should think.
When was Serious Effect written and what about these lyrics point to there being a guy around "her"?
You gotta get back every rhyme
Gonna jump back
She won't get it
I got a feeling but giving you, I
And i'm so damn
So damn glad about it
I got a feeling
That your jumping around
Gon' get back
She wont get it
I gotta feeling like jumping around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it
I gotta feeling
Of giving you, I
Won't jump back
She won't let it
I got a feeling
Like nothing around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it
She don't smoke
She don't breathe
She don't hash
She don't dope
But she's a lyer
I gotta feeling
Like nothing around
And I'm so damn
So damn glad about it
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it
[Rap]
She's serious
Makin' me delirious
I'm curious
Next thing I know
Hittin' us
Enjoying
The animal magnetism
She's to hot to touch
Too cool for critizism
Each and every things
Like a mini movie being filmed
'Cause I'm the captain
AND HER BODY'S THE HELM
I'm shivering, quivering
I smile while i'm delivering
Get some love and passion
It's never been
so intense and spiritual like
In sence of above, against
And all off in silence
Then i scream like a man
Out of his rich
'Cause that's how serious
A serious effect is
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it
Aouw!
She mentioned that I was
She mentioned that I was
(serious)
Jumpin' around
I gotta break down
(serious)
She's the one who get it
(serious)
I got a feeling
Like jumpin' around
'cause i'm so glad
(serious)
And I'm so damn glad about it
Serious effect on me baby
Serious on
Serious effect on me baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious effect on
Serious effect baby baby
Serious
And I'm so damn glad about it
And what the heck is he feeling so **** glad about? Answer that for me and I'll really make sure you get that Academy Award...or somethun!
unk::angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
I wholeheartedly agree...I learned my lesson the HARD way...
People that have a such kind heart always desire to assist any way they can for a fellow human being when they come to them in there so called "need for help"...Not all the time...but most of the time...it is for a financial reason (s)...
Like I have been told throughout my life...I am too nice, kind hearted and I need to start being (meaner)...but...that is totally NOT my nature.
To make a long story short...I was told by one of my Legal Professors/Legal Studies Association that I am brutally honest about many of my personal experiences in life...and was asked why I am open about certain experiences that I have endured?
Basically, knowledge is growth and if there just one person that I can prevent by making the same mistake that I made then I am making a difference. Make sense? I think so...
Therefore, to address the "trust me" by my personal experiences...Karma...God has a great sense of humor sometimes...
When I left my comfortable life back somewhere around 1993 I needed to find work to support my son and I...(Again to make a very loong story short) I got a job at a very popular Sports Pub & Grille, Catering restaurant washing dishes and delivering Pizza's, Wings, (full menu) making minimum wage and working on my preqs for my college degree. This entity was growing by leaps and bounds...we we slammed practically all day/night 7 days a week...
After a few years I left the resturaunt, I wanted expand on my business experience, wear and tear on my vehicle etc.... the owners explained until they built the new building they would not have anything for me but would like me to be their daytime resturant manager/catering cordinator.
The owners did fulfill their promise, bought some land and built a fabulous building...they searched me out and offered me the position they promised, I kept blowing them off but eventually I ended up taking the position.
Everything was going great this (25 year family business) entity was making about 1.2 million a year...then...around 2002 or 2003 the resturaunt kept having issues with paying the bills...and I'm like whatz going on here...Payroll was bouncing, taxes, electric bill, food bills, etc. etc. you name it...Employees were coming to me whatz going on Susie we have families to feed, bills to pay...
Keep in mind...the family always had their hand out that was nothing new, wasting sooo much money, come to find out the wife (my boss the President of the Company) was lying to where she was spending all the money...(Gambling) Here we thinking she is going to resturaunt conventions but no she was trying for her BIG hit at the casinos.
At this point, the business was in such disarray...I confronted her son serveral times about the problem...he tried somewhat... but it was ultimately "her" business. Her and I would get in screaming matches about was was going on...She tried to get loans, borrow money etc.etc...when all else was exausted guess who she came running to...Although, I did not have much money, I did however have A1 top of the line credit rating.
She made me a promise if I helped save the 25 year business she would STOP gambling, go to gambling anonymous meetings ( I even made the appointment for her), and she would sign promissory notes (which she did and ultimately saved my butt).
Unfortunately, the gambling continued, she kept lying, and the family destroyed the 1.2 million dollar a year business, the employees, in a nut shell they lost everything...
I had to file bankrupcy, and the Federal Bankrupcy Judge almost had be criminally arrested (thank Goodness for those promissory notes)...
People ask WHY? would I invest into a business like that...I have sat back and thought of the whys...
It was a 25 year old business making a good income, had the right location, fabulous loyal employees, the customers (lines standing to get in) but most of all, it was because I cared about the employees, their families, we were a great team, we gave it our all, I truly thought that we could make it work...it was our business..."the back of the house "a kitchen is only as good as its cooks" and in the front of the house is only as good as the bartenders, waiters/waitresses"...It probably would still be here today if it were not for the blood suckers bleeding it dry...
Needless to say, I "was" in financial ruin, my pride, my being was destroyed, and to this day I do beat myself up about it sometimes. But all in all, it was a great business experience while it lasted. I learned allot, got to meet boat loads of people, and I know we all did the best we could considering the circumstances...
The moral of this story...as they say in the business world ACYB (Always Cover Your Butt) stay away from manipulators, liers, thiefs, and when/if you ever want to invest in an entity always protect your credit, and never think/invest with your heart..!
Although I do not wish ill on anyone...but this story goes to show us that WE all eventually reap what we sow...
As far as that boss I told you about...this past year charges were pressed from her best friend, and the District Attorney for forgery, indentity fraud, theft and from what I currently heard from a very reliable source...recently she was caught "again" taking advantage of an elderly woman that she was living with...(the courts are in the process of prosecuting her), the husband is no where to be found (they say probably in Bankok which I wouldn't doubt), the son has lost his wife (divorce), job, been busted for DUI (about 3 times) alcoholic, a drug addict and recently court ordered into rehab.
As for me, although it has been a struggle...I am happy to report that I am recovering slowly but nicely...
:angel:Knowledge IS Growth...Education IS The Key~~~
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I have a question, ladies. Anybody here in this thread ever paid attention to “Invincible” lyrics?,I think. And “she” is there again LOL. Lyrics was not correct 100% from my point of view. In brackets I put a correct word the way how I hear it and it does make sense. If you think it is my mistake pls, let me know. BTW when this lyrics were written? This song is just SO good
If I could tear down these walls that keep you and I apart
I know I could claim your heart and our perfect love will start
But girl you just won’t approve of the things that I do
When all I do is for you but still you say it ain’t cool
If there’s somebody else, he can’t love you like me
And he says he’ll treat you well, he can’t treat you like me
And he’s buying diamonds and pearls, he can’t do it like me
And he’s talking [taking] you all across the world, he can’t trick [treat] you like me
[CHORUS]
So why ain’t you feelin’ me, she’s invincible
But I can do anything, she’s invincible
Even when I beg and plead, she’s invincible
Girl won’t give in to me, she’s invincible
Now many times I’ve told you of all the things I would do
But I cant seem to get through no matter how I try to
So tell me how does it seem that you ain’t checking for me
When I know that I could be more than you could ever dream
If there’s somebody else, he can’t love you like me
And he says he’ll treat you well, he can’t treat you like me
And he’s buying diamonds and pearls, he can’t do it like me
And he’s talking [taking] you all across the world, he can’t trick [treat] you like me
[CHORUS]
Now some way I’ll have to prove all that I said I would do
Giving you everything, fulfilling your fantasy
Then maybe you’ll change your mind and finally give in time
Then I’ll be showing you what other men are supposed to do for you my baby
[RAP]
[CHORUS x 3]
unk::angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
Maybe she was never interested in those types of things, did not impress her......it is possible that maybe this woman truly only cared about the human being...
Interesting...
:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
Could it, like some other things seem to, serve a dual purpose? I feel so.
Speaking of double messages, did anyone see the thread about the TMZ article about the message with the roses? The, "you make me soooo happy" message he gave to the fans outside his hotel?
It seems that when he said, "I can feel your energy through the walls" he literally meant through the physical structure of the hotel walls!
Interesting how things can be seen when left to interpretation. I don't mean to blow anyone's DMFLITD mood if it did, just goes to show, imho, we can't take everything as having a double meaning, or in some cases, maybe not any "meaning" beyond what the artist feels at a given time.
I still see the "story" (or more than one or two) in the music though. I agree with what you said, Asadora about OMC too. I do feelof that song though. In his 'final' song, he seemed to be sayingand wondered "why ain't she feelin' me!" in Invincible) -
- in the new song, where he repeats, "you said", in different places, one of those being, "you said you wanted to go with me all the while" - so that tells me he found that out in times more recent than OMC. So in a way, perhaps he got his one more chance at love.
than picking her up in his car to "paint the town", or
- wouldn't it be nice if they "met" in a Different kind of "closet" ... *looks away wistfully* ... a spiritual closet
He said
I noticed two interpretations of his lyrics in This Is It. One says, "falling in love wasn't my plan" and the other says, "falling in love was in my plan".
Could it be both? With MJ, who knows, and I guess we may as well say why not.
unk:Wow...love the great thought responses...According to Mr.Jackson's music I have to wholeheartedly agree with most of the analysis being posted...most intriguing to say the least..!:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
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Ape, I tried looking for that, too. Hmmm.
Let me try to explain what is meant by "energy" here, if I may.
You probably have heard entertainers describe what they often feel while they are on stage. Some say being in front of a live audience gives a rush. Many say they can feel the energy from the crowd and it feeds their own energy while they perform. Michael Jackson would say that he felt both energy and love coming back at him while he was on stage.
It's this kind of love and energy that I believe he was feeling from his loving fans gathered outside the building. They might have been yelling out his name and saying, 'We love you, Michael!"
I believe his note was letting them know that he could feel their energy even though he was inside...he could feel their energy "through the walls."
See? It has nothing to do with a particular girl. He wanted to bless his fans because their presence and love was blessing him. So he let them know through a note. Kind, huh?
That's my take on it, anyway.
EDIT: Although the "roses" might have been in response to something Ape had said in this thread. We like to think that at least 'cause that would be majorly fun if it is the case!
Yeah, I know what energy means for entertainers. We do not know what was the meaning of this note. If it was for fans, it one thing. If it was another msg for her, it is another type of energy.
We do not know for sure was it for fans or not or it has double meaning. Once again, when this note was given to the fans? What was going on in his life? Anybody can answer this question????
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For me poetry is not a mosaic, it is river, like water flow. You do not need to put puzzles together in poetry but lines could have double meaning. It is true.This is what I learned from a very young age being interested in poetry. But it is just me again. Everybody is different like I said.
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Lully, from what you wrote earlier I understand you have the file I was talking about - Michael's quotes from Boteach's book? If I am not asking too much, could you please upload it somewhere? You can PM me the link, if you want.Thank you so much in advance. I was actually wonderin' where you and the rest of the Brazilian 'gang' - tha and Ash had gone lol. Good to see ya back. Every contribution to this thread is precious.
Btw of Brazil, one of my favorite songs and videos ever is "Santo,santo" by Gloria Estefan and Alexander Pires, one of your co-nationals. I'm sure he's great, I know no other song of his, but from the duet with Gloria I think he's nice, in more ways than one *giggling*. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzoMyT9mdYI I was familiar only with the Spanish version, but I see from Utube there is also a Portuguese version; it was only fair actually.
Incredible story there Susie. I'm really sorry for what you went through. Your life story is really impressive. You came out on top. Congrats.:clapping: Those were some brave choices you made and great battles you fought. Truly inspiring, thank you. I'm not sure most of us could have dealt with what you did. I know I probably wouldn't, but life has funny ways about it and until we don't reach certain critical points, we do not know what we are capable of. Thankfully, until now I haven't had to deal with such terrible matters. I hope I won't have to, now or in the future.
The question of trust really is tricky. As you and Michael himself saw on many occasions when people entered his life and didn't have the best intentions (the Chandlers and the Arvizos being the most obvious of cases), people can be really cruel. Caution is an imperative, but we cannot go through life in a complete state of distrust cause that would isolate us.
I am sure you took no delight in seeing the state in which that family ended up. I know vengeance belongs to the Lord and I know He seeks our salvation, not our doom. That is why I pray, not often enough though, for Michael's enemies and all those who have hurt him so much during his life - it is of the utmost importance for their own souls they go before God, if not the world, and admit their mistakes. Their redemption is at stake, but I am sure God in His mercy will take care of everything and everyone.
Btw of Brazil, one of my favorite songs and videos ever is "Santo,santo" by Gloria Estefan and Alexander Pires, one of your co-nationals. I'm sure he's great, I know no other song of his, but from the duet with Gloria I think he's nice, in more ways than one *giggling*. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzoMyT9mdYI I was familiar only with the Spanish version, but I see from Utube there is also a Portuguese version; it was only fair actually.
Incredible story there Susie. I'm really sorry for what you went through. Your life story is really impressive. You came out on top. Congrats.:clapping: Those were some brave choices you made and great battles you fought. Truly inspiring, thank you. I'm not sure most of us could have dealt with what you did. I know I probably wouldn't, but life has funny ways about it and until we don't reach certain critical points, we do not know what we are capable of. Thankfully, until now I haven't had to deal with such terrible matters. I hope I won't have to, now or in the future.
The question of trust really is tricky. As you and Michael himself saw on many occasions when people entered his life and didn't have the best intentions (the Chandlers and the Arvizos being the most obvious of cases), people can be really cruel. Caution is an imperative, but we cannot go through life in a complete state of distrust cause that would isolate us.
I am sure you took no delight in seeing the state in which that family ended up. I know vengeance belongs to the Lord and I know He seeks our salvation, not our doom. That is why I pray, not often enough though, for Michael's enemies and all those who have hurt him so much during his life - it is of the utmost importance for their own souls they go before God, if not the world, and admit their mistakes. Their redemption is at stake, but I am sure God in His mercy will take care of everything and everyone.
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Hi Guys! I've been trying to play catch-up. So glad to see Linda and AllforMJ BACK!!!
We have 3 of our children in various sports, dance and afterschool activities, so I can't be here so much now. I miss it
I wanted to share this with you before I have to go. Forgive me for changing the tone, but it applies to you and this thread.
A few weeks ago I was lying in bed thinking real hard about the Dreams I had and their meaning. I was trying to find a link in those dreams with any parts of the Investigation. My instinct has been, there is a link between the two. I also had been wondering if and when I will have another dream to give us more clues perhaps. I was overcome with worry and fear in all the silence with the investigation. I thought about Michael and his soul. I began to pray for answers and to be guided in the right path. I asked God to use me as a vessel in anyway, In my prayer I said I was open. I even prayed to Michael's spirit asking him for another sign. I wanted him to reveal to me anything that was troubling him or anything he wanted us to know, I asked in Jesus name.
After my prayer, I let it go. I remember feeling calm and peaceful for days, you have to understand during this time my family and I are going through the regular drama and issues we( family) face on a day to day basis, which also had me in prayer and asking for direction.
About a week later, a friend called me and asked me to do them a favor. This is no regular friend, I have never met them in person. I know them only through the MJ Fan community online. We, like 2 others have been texting, emailing and talking to one another since June 25th. We all met on these forums years ago and developed a closeness and trust but they never disclosed the kind of info to me as they have since that awful, awful day.
The favor that was asked of me was to contact any Fan Follower and pass along their email to that follower because Michael Jackson's Friend had heard things about them and wanted to get in contact with them with the intent to get their story to The Jackson's and The Los Angeles D.A. My Friend who asked this of me does not post on this forum, they were on another forum looking for the followers and I would be on here doing the same, well it was easy for me, they were on here or at least a couple of them had been. Remember their post and that picture of MJ in that Jacket that one of them made for him?
I jumped at this opportunity to help! I remembered a follower named "Crisa" who had been posting on here! I found her and pmed her!!!! I prayed she would take my pm seriously and respond. She did!!! She replied back! I gave her the email of my Friend who would then put her in contact with whomever it was that wanted to reach the followers.
I WAS TOO FRANTIC AND EXCITED (at the time)TO ASKED QUESTIONS LIKE, WHO on earth is the person who want to reach the followers. I was just happy to be put to use. It felt so good to know, someone other than us cared enough to do something.
My thoughts later were, this friend of our MJ's is a wealthy, hollywood mover and shaker perhaps or could it be a family member not wanting it made public that they were looking for the followers and asking fans to help them? Sounded plausible to me. I moved on with a smile, my heart felt good about what God had done for me.
Then days later, I recieved a Thank You PM from Crisa. She is so sweet. Apparently the followers were in contact with whomever was looking for them and they were pleased about it.
I have only been on the "This is not it" site a couple of times, I was moved to go there today, I was going to register when I got side tracked by what I saw on what looks to be a new page of "Support".
OH my God, do you see what I see? Could Michael have answered our longing question?
will try and come back later after homework and a school project is complete.
We have 3 of our children in various sports, dance and afterschool activities, so I can't be here so much now. I miss it
I wanted to share this with you before I have to go. Forgive me for changing the tone, but it applies to you and this thread.
A few weeks ago I was lying in bed thinking real hard about the Dreams I had and their meaning. I was trying to find a link in those dreams with any parts of the Investigation. My instinct has been, there is a link between the two. I also had been wondering if and when I will have another dream to give us more clues perhaps. I was overcome with worry and fear in all the silence with the investigation. I thought about Michael and his soul. I began to pray for answers and to be guided in the right path. I asked God to use me as a vessel in anyway, In my prayer I said I was open. I even prayed to Michael's spirit asking him for another sign. I wanted him to reveal to me anything that was troubling him or anything he wanted us to know, I asked in Jesus name.
After my prayer, I let it go. I remember feeling calm and peaceful for days, you have to understand during this time my family and I are going through the regular drama and issues we( family) face on a day to day basis, which also had me in prayer and asking for direction.
About a week later, a friend called me and asked me to do them a favor. This is no regular friend, I have never met them in person. I know them only through the MJ Fan community online. We, like 2 others have been texting, emailing and talking to one another since June 25th. We all met on these forums years ago and developed a closeness and trust but they never disclosed the kind of info to me as they have since that awful, awful day.
The favor that was asked of me was to contact any Fan Follower and pass along their email to that follower because Michael Jackson's Friend had heard things about them and wanted to get in contact with them with the intent to get their story to The Jackson's and The Los Angeles D.A. My Friend who asked this of me does not post on this forum, they were on another forum looking for the followers and I would be on here doing the same, well it was easy for me, they were on here or at least a couple of them had been. Remember their post and that picture of MJ in that Jacket that one of them made for him?
I jumped at this opportunity to help! I remembered a follower named "Crisa" who had been posting on here! I found her and pmed her!!!! I prayed she would take my pm seriously and respond. She did!!! She replied back! I gave her the email of my Friend who would then put her in contact with whomever it was that wanted to reach the followers.
I WAS TOO FRANTIC AND EXCITED (at the time)TO ASKED QUESTIONS LIKE, WHO on earth is the person who want to reach the followers. I was just happy to be put to use. It felt so good to know, someone other than us cared enough to do something.
My thoughts later were, this friend of our MJ's is a wealthy, hollywood mover and shaker perhaps or could it be a family member not wanting it made public that they were looking for the followers and asking fans to help them? Sounded plausible to me. I moved on with a smile, my heart felt good about what God had done for me.
Then days later, I recieved a Thank You PM from Crisa. She is so sweet. Apparently the followers were in contact with whomever was looking for them and they were pleased about it.
I have only been on the "This is not it" site a couple of times, I was moved to go there today, I was going to register when I got side tracked by what I saw on what looks to be a new page of "Support".
OH my God, do you see what I see? Could Michael have answered our longing question?
will try and come back later after homework and a school project is complete.
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I, myself, would rather see and hear Michael doing what he enjoyed doing so much. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the footage of him preparing for his record-breaking concert series. I'm looking forward to hearing HIS voice and HIS words as HE graces the stage. I'm looking forward to seeing him smile and I would never trade that in to listen to that obnoxious Rabbi that wants to make weird comments about him.
For the past 39 years of Michael's 40 years of being a professional recording artist, I have done just fine being a fan of his without the Rabbi's presence. Actually, I had never even heard of him until he attached himself to Michael like a leech.
Starting this week, Michael is going to be moving around the world via movie theaters rather than arenas and stadiums. This movie, and whatever else there is of him on film, is going to be the last time to see him alive during his final days. There is no way I could choose reading the Rabbi's words over seeing Michael himself. Just seeing how you used the word terrible to describe this Rabbi is an indicator that he is someone to stay away from in print and in person. I've dealt with people that actually act like that Rabbi and worse, so I already know I don't want to hear anything that he has to say. Plus, I just don't see how degrading Michael with his book is a good way to go about giving to charity. Michael never went around degrading people as a way to give to charity. He just gave.
Now, about healing the world. With Michael having such a massive fan base, being able to see him again is going to bring about a sense of healing. His massive fan base reaches all ends of this earth. It has billions of people in it and his massive global fan base has been grieving because he passed away abruptly. His fan base needs some sense of closure and there is nothing that this Rabbi has been saying to help.
Only seeing Michael doing what he enjoyed doing is going to help. He will be revealing on his own that he was happy. Seeing him happy makes his fan base happy. Yes, many of us will be smiling at the same time that we are wiping away our tears, but it will be because his will be greatly missed. When this Rabbi passes away, the world is not going to give him the same response as it will give Michael, and you can bet on that.
If reading the Rabbi's book alone has been able to console you, that is fine. But, I'd much rather see, with my own eyes, Michael having fun again. He waited over 15 years to have fun again.
In regards to AEG, Sony and the Rabbi making money, this is how I view it...
It is normal for a concert promoter to make money off of a concert that they had put money into. It is normal for a music company to make money off of a recording artist that they had signed to their record label. It is not normal for a Rabbi to make money off of publically degrading someone that privately came to them to be spiritually uplifted because their soul was weary.
What that Rabbi is doing with his book is unethical in every sense of the word, and it is very troubling to see a person such as him carrying the title of Rabbi to make people think that he is someone that can be trusted with souls.
I would trust Michael with my soul well before I would even consider thinking about trusting that Rabbi. Michael has a sound track record to prove that his intentions have only been good. He actually made a difference while he was here on earth. We all are still benefiting from his work and he did it without the Rabbi.
This is for that Rabbi that does not speak as a Rabbi...
Ephesians 4:29
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
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Lainy
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Shabuya :hug:
Thank you for feel miss the Brazilian gang! lol In this moment I must confess that I'm feel important! :king2: *play* :laugh:
Of course I can send you the link by PM will do that now. Michael's quote are very
interesting...
WOW Thanks for posting this song, the Alexandre Pires voice's very beautiful and he's a very... *laughs* you know... lol
Speaking in duets with brasilian, yesterday I was watching a program national (watch TV isn't really my habit, I prefer Disney movies... remembered the Lily now lol) and saw this song Entreolhares (The Way You're Looking At Me) by Ana Carolina and John Legend... gorgeous song... :blush: if you want listen this song here is the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZ0JBp4wWE&feature=related
Sdeidjs, Congratulations and thanks for sharing us! You should be proud of all that lived and went out victorious! His life experience is an courage example. You're really amazing woman. :give_rose:
Moddie777 I'm anxious to see what you have to say us! :yes:
PS: Besides Ash and Tha, I'm feeling miss of Linda and MP in this discussion :mellow:
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Asedora
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You didn’t understand what my post was about. It is nothing to do with rabbi per say. Rabbi gets money from my hands, if he is not going to use it for charities, it is his SIN not mine. He promised that he will give money for charity and by this very personal act of buying this book I gave rabbi a chance in front of eyes of God to do at least something good in his life. He is very religious and I let just him be. If this book was written by Uri Geller, I would never buy it but because it was written by a person who pretends to be deeply religious and trying to teach ppl high values, I bought it. I know exactly who he is, but I want to give him a chance. Why not? God will take of it later.
This is kind of moral and philosophical angle how I look at this situation.
Also, dialogues and MJ personal thoughts have much more higher value for me than watching him dancing and performing. Fans want to enjoy watching him, then just go ahead, I do not need it for myself. For me it is too soon to watch him being happy at his last days. Nobody was punished for this murder yet nobody is in jail. For me it is too soon to enjoy this movie.
Like I said, I am not paying a penny to Sony and AEG sharks. They also probably were involved in Michael death as well. They are making millions of dollars now from his death and no one promised that one single penny will go to charities.. It is sick. I do not want to be involved in it. Sorry. But like I said, everybody is different.
I do not judge anybody. Everybody does things according own believes, preference and some moral values.
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That's okay. Will you do me a favor, Asedora?
When those of us in this thread that are going to see Michael showing that he was happy start discussing it in this thread, will you let us at least enjoy it?
This thread was never about the Rabbi's book. It was about Michael Jackson singing about being in love and showing signs of it.
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tha
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Hello! opout:
I've been following the posts of you and I'm enjoying it! You always have points of view very interesting, the words of you are deep, so deep that I really feel touched by that!
I confess I was surprised to have been noticed my absence! :wub: Thanks!!!
I'm kinda sick these days and I think my disease is beyond anything clinical! :worried:
I have different beliefs from you about the "death" of Michael, but these days there is a hole in my soul! I feel very strange and I don't know how to explain! At the same time I feel very close to Michael, I feel very far!
I'm so lonely and the only person who could help me, can not do this or just don't want do it!
Sorry for those words! I don't want to bother anyone with it, but I have to let my pain go away a little from inside! Keep it so for me, suffocated me and sickens me more!
Being "the clown" at times makes me tired and even if I try always leave a hidden sadness behind the smile, it's hard!
And that reminds me of the song "The Tears Of A Clown" by Smokey Robinson that a very special person "submitted" it for me! :closedeyes:
Again, sorry for this!
I like you all people! I really like! And, Lully, you know how special you are to me! :wub:
Anyway....The Gang Brazilian is back!
opout:I've been following the posts of you and I'm enjoying it! You always have points of view very interesting, the words of you are deep, so deep that I really feel touched by that!
I confess I was surprised to have been noticed my absence! :wub: Thanks!!!
I'm kinda sick these days and I think my disease is beyond anything clinical! :worried:
I have different beliefs from you about the "death" of Michael, but these days there is a hole in my soul!
I feel very strange and I don't know how to explain! At the same time I feel very close to Michael, I feel very far! I'm so lonely and the only person who could help me, can not do this or just don't want do it!
Sorry for those words! I don't want to bother anyone with it, but I have to let my pain go away a little from inside! Keep it so for me, suffocated me and sickens me more!
Being "the clown" at times makes me tired and even if I try always leave a hidden sadness behind the smile, it's hard!
And that reminds me of the song "The Tears Of A Clown" by Smokey Robinson that a very special person "submitted" it for me! :closedeyes:
Again, sorry for this!
I like you all people! I really like! And, Lully, you know how special you are to me! :wub:
Anyway....The Gang Brazilian is back!
Queen G,
I basically was running a business that was not mine, but had no control over how the the finances were being spent. All the vet (thirty) employees were very hard working, capable, loyal, and we always thought of each other as family...
Despite this entities short comings...it sure was an experience, I enjoyed being part of a very hard working entrepreneurship that many only think of as a true American Dream.
Literally working my way from the ground up...the knowledge & experience that I have learned in the approximately 12 years (1993 -2005) that I was employed there is truly an invaluable business management asset that no one can or will ever be able to take away.
Thank You for all your kind world...and your very welcome..!
:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
Lainy
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Asedora and AllForMJ Sorry for my intrusion .. but I must state my opinion ...
Really this thread isn't to discuss the Rabbi book's and yes about love ... but I believe that the diversity opinions and all forms expression are welcome, therefore, I find interesting talk about it too.
We're all aware that Rabbi doesn't deserve our credibility, so what I think that his comments doesn't affect us in nothin, I say for me of course. The things that Michael speak are very interesting, make us reflect... :yes:
But who wants to have access Michael's conversations does not buy the Rabbi's book, download it lol :lol:
As for the This is It movie, will be very interesting watch it, because I think that it will address important things make us think about all that is before our eyes...
Unsurprisingly I have different views of the majority, therefore, don't me throw tomatoes for this... lol just my opinion :cheeky:
:wild:
Tha, I hope you are better... I love you so much and you are not alone, I'm here with you! :hug:
Really this thread isn't to discuss the Rabbi book's and yes about love ... but I believe that the diversity opinions and all forms expression are welcome, therefore, I find interesting talk about it too.
We're all aware that Rabbi doesn't deserve our credibility, so what I think that his comments doesn't affect us in nothin, I say for me of course. The things that Michael speak are very interesting, make us reflect... :yes:
But who wants to have access Michael's conversations does not buy the Rabbi's book, download it lol :lol:
As for the This is It movie, will be very interesting watch it, because I think that it will address important things make us think about all that is before our eyes...
Unsurprisingly I have different views of the majority, therefore, don't me throw tomatoes for this... lol
just my opinion :cheeky::wild:
Tha, I hope you are better... I love you so much and you are not alone, I'm here with you! :hug:
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Your post sounds kind of judgmental to me. I am not taking your joy away from you and I promise I am not going to discuss TII movie here with anybody. For TII movie MJJC has a different forum also. As far as I know this thread was about MJ personal relationship with “her” and his dialogues from rabbi’s book perfectly fit in this discussion. If you found my posts are not interesting just do not answer, ignore them. I do not know why you trying to make such a big deal of it? I guess my personal points of view, some moral aspects and my explanation why I got this book bother you more than anything else. I do not know why, but whatever…. This is it.
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tha
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:yes: :clapping:
As for the This is It movie, will be very interesting watch it, because I think that it will address important things make us think about all that is before our eyes...
Love u 2, honey! :wub:
It just goes to show each and everyone of us...that life is not always a bowl of cherries...
"I once told "my very best friend" that sometimes when things happen in our life we ask God why is this happening..? Why must I go through this?
God only gives us as much as he knows what we can handle...He will give us the strength, guidance, courage, and the tools to overcome the wicked to achieve their rules..!"
I have experienced enough things in my life to truly believe in the power and might that comes from what we reap is what we truly sow..!
Thank You for your very kind words...
This woman has the patience of a Saint..and the strength of a Bull...Giggles~~~
:angel:Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
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Brazilian ppl always look happy to me. I love it LOL
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Shabuya :hug:
Thank you for feel miss the Brazilian gang! lol In this moment I must confess that I'm feel important! :king2: *play* :laugh:
Of course I can send you the link by PM will do that now. Michael's quote are very
interesting...
WOW Thanks for posting this song, the Alexandre Pires voice's very beautiful and he's a very... *laughs* you know... lol
Speaking in duets with brasilian, yesterday I was watching a program national (watch TV isn't really my habit, I prefer Disney movies... remembered the Lily now lol) and saw this song Entreolhares (The Way You're Looking At Me) by Ana Carolina and John Legend... gorgeous song... :blush: if you want listen this song here is the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZ0JBp4wWE&feature=related
Sdeidjs, Congratulations and thanks for sharing us! You should be proud of all that lived and went out victorious! His life experience is an courage example. You're really amazing woman. :give_rose:
Moddie777 I'm anxious to see what you have to say us! :yes:
PS: Besides Ash and Tha, I'm feeling miss of Linda and MP in this discussion :mellow:
Thanks Lully for acknowledging the post. I'm afraid I don't have anything further to say about it. I think without spoken words, Michael's spirit with the help of a higher being have said it all.
It can be interpreted in anyway depending upon the different level(s) of understanding each of us have with what we individually see as clues from Michael.
tha
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Brazilian ppl always look happy to me. I love it LOL
Yeah! We are! :yes: