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dearmichael1 said:
Are u serious. he spoke of another person , like you put it in private. All the shit ppl have said about him for YEARS, you are condemning him for it. WHAT? Don't tell me you dont talk about other people in the privacy of your own home, especially when they talk bad about you . I know I do. Its human nature. That doesn't take away from who he is. He still comes across as the sweet caring Michael, but human too. This mas had been Judge and ridiculed for years , from folks in the industry and the press. And no one defends him, but when he defends himself he is vindictive. Sorry but you sound just like these people out there. You may have only heard Madonna say one bad thing about Michael but other people have heard many. And like Michael said on those tapes after they went out SHE WROTE SOME MEAN THINGS ABOUT HIM SO HE CALLED A A NAST WITCH. I think that was FUNNY AS HELL

And as far as Madonna being class. I think most of the population in the world didn't view her as that. Most people thought she was trashy and a Hoe. Not just Michael. Myself and everyone that I know.
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To be honest with you, that is probably why she did the tribute. To redeem herself. She is probably not offended.
 
mjjfan4ever said:
I think Liz and Princess Diana has a lot in common. They were / are two of the most charitable women. Liz has been at the forefront of the fight against AIDS for decades. Princess Diana, the causes and people she touched through her work is probably something that attracted her to MJ. Not just her looks.

He doesn't seem bitter about women. He needed ...
a woman that was not out for fame and fortune but was out for love
a woman that would love him unconditionally and not judge or ridicule him.
a woman that would live in luxury and travel the world curing and helping the most destitute children
a woman that was beautiful but not overtly sexual.
he doesn't seem bitter to me.
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We are not being fair. I agree with you. Can you imagine how hard it is for THE MICHAEL JACKSON THE KING OF POP. Known all over the world to find a mate? He could barely find a true friend. I would be suspicious and paranoid. He said the stars would salivate over him even more than his beloved fans. He always spoke highly of us. He always felt we had his back. Give him a break. At this time, he had been divorced twice in the run of five years.
 
Dangerous21 said:
i have not heard these private tapes, only read the first 10 pages of this thread.

but as with ALL things related to Michael, if you listen to MICHAEL's words and think about HIS actions, the truth becomes clear and it is beautiful.

1) Michael has NEVER spoken bad about anyone, except in private, and only AFTER that person hurt him first. Soooooo many people have taken their shots at Michael in public and Michael NEVER did the same (i.e. Lisa Marie, Madonna, leeches like this Shmulee jerk). Michael is classy.

2) When Michael speaks, I feel so much Love. Love for children, for his fans, for his family, for humanity. This Schmulee guy does not have the wisdom or good fortune to learn from Michael. Michael never Judges people for things he has no clue about. Michael has been a good human being his whole life.

3) Michael did NOT give up. I don't know him, but after loving him for MY whole life and knowing all that I do know about him, I don't think that he has ever been happier than he was NOW with his kids. I truly believe this.

To judge Michael and lie and say that Michael would have wanted these private tapes made public is so shameful.

Furthermore, for ANYONE who says that Michael lived a tragic life or insinuates that he failed his God-given gifts/potential is WRONG. Michael became the most famous man in the world and contributed more to humanity than any one person I've ever known. The hundreds and thousands of people on this forum are living examples of people touched by Michael's love. There are MILLIONS of us in this world.

We know all that Michael gave. We know that we were and still are blessed to have been alive for Michael Jackson.

There are two types of people: those that contribute to society and those that destroy it selfishly. Michael Jackson will live forever because he gave - and gives - us all love and happiness through his music, dance, and magic. This Schmulee is one of many who we will FORGET because he is not worth remembering.

I'd rather read each of your thoughts because I know your words come from a place of love. I will not let Michael down by giving this despicable Schmulee his 15 seconds of infamy.
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I agree with everything you wrote 100%
 
Gaiaschild said:
The Rabbi is seeking to make $$$$$$ from these tapes and book. and seeking to tarnish Michael's reputation ie by making out he supports Hitler,
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The rabbi never said or suggested Michael supported Hitler. In fact, he stressed Michael despised Hitler's views. It were just the tabloids who took Michael's words out of context and made it sound like something it wasn't.
 
ensleyave said:
We are not being fair. I agree with you. Can you imagine how hard it is for THE MICHAEL JACKSON THE KING OF POP. Known all over the world to find a mate? He could barely find a true friend. I would be suspicious and paranoid. He said the stars would salivate over him even more than his beloved fans. He always spoke highly of us. He always felt we had his back. Give him a break. At this time, he had been divorced twice in the run of five years.
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thanks!:better:

if people would just take a moment and empathize instead of criticizing, especially now that he is not here to defend himself.
its already so frustrating defending MJ to haters, but to have to defend him on his own fan site. whatever.
 
respect77 said:
The rabbi never said or suggested Michael supported Hitler. In fact, he stressed Michael despised Hitler's views. It were just the tabloids who took Michael's words out of context and made it sound like something it wasn't.
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How can a black man support Hitler? Hitler hate blacks. He said he was a genius orater to make his followers believe in so much hate. This is something historians have said. Michael and his siblings had a Jewish tutor who traveled all over the world with them as their surrogate mother. He and Janet took care of her up until she died. Then they took care of her husband. This is ridiculous.
 
I don't know why people so worked up over his comments on Madonna and women in general.

I actually found the Madonna thing hilarous because I can picture those two (who had absolutely nothing in common) on their "date". LOL! And IMO Michael is totally right about her! She was not a classy lady and she not his type at all! Why should he say otherwise?

I think Madonna is intelligent enough to laugh about these comments now. She knows there's at least some truth in it and she also remembers she too made some nasty comments on Michael in public (and we don't know what kind of comments she made on him in private) and she was amongst those who abandoned him as she put it in her MTV speech. So this is just the equalizer. I think Madonna can take it like this and laugh about it. BTW, her spokesperson already made a comment saying no matter what's in that book they won't affect Madonna's feelings about Michael.

As for women in general. I found that part incredibly interesting. It gives us an insight into why Michael never had a long-lasting stable relationship: it was not that he was not interested in women (no man who is not interested in woman feels tempted by what women have between their legs ;) ), as the media often thought, but it was the trust issue. He said women manipulate men with the thing they have between their legs. Honestly, again, in the world he was living in it was simply the truth! Hollywood is full of women who would use their sexuality to advance their career or to take advantage on men. That's what Michael saw all his life from women! Starting with his first and probably biggest crush/love, Diana Ross. He loved that woman dearly but at the same time he wasn't blind or stupid. He knew Diana slept with Berry Gordy to advance her career when Gordy was married and Diana was about to get married to another man. Michael knew that and still couldn't help himself lusting after her. So I think he decidied in his heart that women are like that and women have control over men by their sexuality and poor men can't help themselves about that. Michael himself experienced it the most with Diana, IMO. He couldn't help himself, couldn't stop loving her, even though he knew what kind of woman she was.

In the book he makes Lewinsky responsible for the Clinton sex scandal and he also makes Delilah responsible for Samson's downfall in the Bible story. It's always just the woman. In his mind men are victims of women who are manipulating them with their sexuality. (BTW, I cannot say he doesn't have a point about that. Let's be honest: it's very often the case! Even when we look at great kings and emperors in history, often it turns out they were manipulated from the background by their wives.)
 
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ensleyave said:
LMP did not live at Neverland. He lived with her in the city. He loved her and she promised him they were going to have kids together before that got married. He said that was the first thing they were going to work on. She then changed her mind after they were married. He said it broke his heart. After they were divorced, she continued to hang out with MJ's mother writing letters to him saying she loves him and will have his kids as many as he wants, but his heart was hardened toward her and it was to late. He still kept in contact with her for many many years up until the time of the recordings. He did not have anything really bad to say about her. I think he loved her. They would argue about him being responsible for trying to help so many sick kids. He said she even hung up the phone on a sick girl that called the home. He also said she was mainly concerned for her kids and others were not his or their responsibility.
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I always knew she was a bitter selfish self-absorbed brat! and Michael put up with a lot of crap from her, he made me angry so many times because he never stood up for himself he just turned the other cheek and I'm not talking just about Lisa
 
respect77 said:
I don't know why people so worked up over his comments on Madonna and women in general.

I actually found the Madonna thing hilarous because I can picture those two (who had absolutely nothing in common) on their "date". LOL! And IMO Michael is totally right about her! She was not a classy lady and she not his type at all! Why should he say otherwise?

I think Madonna is intelligent enough to laugh about these comments now. She knows there's at least some truth in it and she also remembers she too made some nasty comments on Michael in public (and we don't know what kind of comments she made on him in private) and she was amongst those who abandoned him as she put it in her MTV speech. So this is just the equalizer. I think Madonna can take it like this and laugh about it. BTW, her spokesperson already made a comment saying no matter what's in that book they won't affect Madonna's feelings about Michael.

As for women in general. I found that part incredibly interesting. It gives us an insight into why Michael never had a long-lasting stable relationship: it was not that he was not interested in women (no man who is not interested in woman feels tempted by what women have between their legs ;) ), as the media often thought, but it was the trust issue. He said women manipulate men with the thing they have between their legs. Honestly, again, in the world he was living in it was simply the truth! Hollywood is full of women who would use their sexuality to advance their career or to take advantage on men. That's what Michael saw all his life from women! Starting with his first and probably biggest crush/love, Diana Ross. He loved that woman dearly but at the same time he wasn't blind or stupid. He knew Diana slept with Berry Gordy to advance her career when Gordy was married and Diana was about to get married to another man. Michael knew that and still couldn't help himself lusting after her. So I think he decidied in his heart that women are like that and women have control over men by their sexuality and poor men can't help themselves about that. Michael himself experienced it the most with Diana, IMO. He couldn't help himself, couldn't stop loving her, even though he knew what kind of woman she was.

In the book he makes Lewinsky responsible for the Clinton sex scandal and he also makes Delilah responsible for Samson's downfall in the Bible story. It's always just the woman. In his mind men are victims of women who are manipulating them with their sexuality. (BTW, I cannot say he doesn't have a point about that. Let's be honest: it's very often the case! Even when we look at great kings and emperors in history, often it turns out they were manipulated from the background by their wives.)
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I was offended at first when I read it, but then I said hell he has a point. From the early age of five years old he saw women manipulating men with sex. Strip clubs, groupies, Tatum wanted sex, Diana , the women his dad was with. To him he felt these women new his dad was married but they chased him anyway. His brothers wives used their sexuality to break up their group. Lewinsky new Clinton was married and threw himself on him anyway. He admitted being unfaithful is wrong. He also admitted men are weaker than women. That is why he puts up a strong sexual barrier at that time in his life. I don't agree with everything he says about it because it takes two, but you have to put yourself in his shoes. From five to at that time forty-something that is what he saw from other women.
 
he grew up with a certain situation with women, but theres also average men who say the exact same negative stuff on women too, blaming only women for men sleeping with men and stuff. shows you michael was human. he cant speak roses and innocence every minute. but i almost wanted him to say sweet stuff on women like he does with children. i dont know why.
 
He said women would come up to him all the time and say they wanted to have sex with him. He said he was taught, JW and his mother, that sex is private and should not be spoken about. Why they want to have sex with me. They don't know me. That is why on the Oprah interview and the Bashir sh** he was very uncomfortable with the question. Michael was very spiritual. In my opinion, that is why he was so torn and his life contradictory. Think about, he's was just like us. We are all those things. Once again, HUMAN.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
he grew up with a certain situation with women, but theres also average men who say the exact same negative stuff on women too, blaming only women for men sleeping with men and stuff. shows you michael was human. he cant speak roses and innocence every minute. but i almost wanted him to say sweet stuff on women like he does with children. i dont know why.
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Don't feel bad. Before the two divorces and that Chandler thing he still had hope in relationships he wanted one. Remember the Oprah interview. He said that. This is before all that bullcrap took place. Like we all do, when we have been burnt a few times we become cynical on certain things. He said he was lied to by adults so much he rarely wanted to be around them. Adults were to conditioned not to let their guard down to be playful and innocent. They are always sizing you up like a dog. That is why he was afraid of dogs per say. He wasn't so much afraid of dogs it is what the owner taught the dog to do. Paraphase. Remember this was a long time ago. His heart could have soften again.
 
why do you girls take what he says about women so personal? he said SOME women can be mean and manipulative, but he also said what type of woman he liked, the innocent sweet caring type like Princess Diana. he liked her not because she was a princess but because she was such a good person and had the same kind of sweetness he had, after watching her interviews I thought they had so much in common I always knew that's why he was drawn to her
he was a shy guy he liked the good girl type, what did you expect him to like ALL women?
there was an article about these conversations a few years ago and I read a summary of these tapes back then so this is old to me, but back then it didn't make the headlines because MJ was not dead! I hate how now they turn it into something sensational and how they paint him as a tragic icon, his death was a homicide and he was a happy man when he died he was a strong man who overcame everything, it's too convenient for the media to paint this image they have blood on their hands too they made him suffer endlessly all his life and they're trying to get away with it!
and I hate that the rabbi is making money off MJ I hate it!
 
respect77 said:
The rabbi never said or suggested Michael supported Hitler. In fact, he stressed Michael despised Hitler's views. It were just the tabloids who took Michael's words out of context and made it sound like something it wasn't.
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That may be true in that particular instance but the Rabbi is also twisting michaels words, to mean something else not just the media. He said Michael was on drugs and wanted to die, I heard him, my point is the media are running these stories and they are character assassinating Michael as usual, this time to try and turn homicide into suicide.
 
Gaiaschild said:
That may be true in that particular instance but the Rabbi is also twisting michaels words, to mean something else not just the media. He said Michael was on drugs and wanted to die, I heard him, my point is the media are running these stories and they are character assassinating Michael as usual, this time to try and turn homicide into suicide.
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I agree with you. People hear what they want to hear.
 
Jesus flippin' Christ. :doh: I knew some backlash would come out of this.

Michael was HUMAN. He wasn't f*cking perfect. Was I surprised (and even amused) by some things he said? Yes. But that just revealed another side of him that showed that he was human like everyone else. He bitched about Madonna and how some women act (which I gotta agree with by the way). So what? I bet he bitched about other people behind their backs, just like how I bet PLENTY of us here have bitched about other people.

Some people need to stop treating Michael like he can't do/say anything wrong. Whether you agree with him or not, he still had his own opinions based on his experiences. He was HUMAN!

I'm sorry if I offend people here, but some comments are just bugging me here a bit.
 
Gaiaschild said:
That may be true in that particular instance but the Rabbi is also twisting michaels words, to mean something else not just the media. He said Michael was on drugs and wanted to die, I heard him, my point is the media are running these stories and they are character assassinating Michael as usual, this time to try and turn homicide into suicide.
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Also agree with you. The rabbi pissed me off when he said, "You stupid, stupid man...". If this was a suicide, we would've known back in July or something and this would've been LABELED as a suicide. But it's a HOMICIDE.
 
lulu said:
I agree with you. People hear what they want to hear.
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Wow...I was just thinking "People will hear what they want to" (I was thinking about AEG) as I was opening my email (topic subscriptions) and there was your post. Saying the same thing. o___O

Sorry or being OT but this was weird. And it's absolutely true! We hear what we want.
 
I absolutely loathe this Rabbi and what he is doing and dont wish to disrespect Michaels memory by listening to private conversations. Whatever Michael says is up to him. We all dont have to agree with his every word, it is OK to disagree with him and doesnt make you any less of a fan if you dont follow his every word.

I hope this Rabbi crawls back under the rock he came from quickly, I have no desire to ever see or hear from him ever again.
 
Starde said:
Jesus flippin' Christ. :doh: I knew some backlash would come out of this.

Michael was HUMAN. He wasn't f*cking perfect. Was I surprised (and even amused) by some things he said? Yes. But that just revealed another side of him that showed that he was human like everyone else. He bitched about Madonna and how some women act (which I gotta agree with by the way). So what? I bet he bitched about other people behind their backs, just like how I bet PLENTY of us here have bitched about other people.

Some people need to stop treating Michael like he can't do/say anything wrong. Whether you agree with him or not, he still had his own opinions based on his experiences. He was HUMAN!

I'm sorry if I offend people here, but some comments are just bugging me here a bit.
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That is right. We fans need to calm down and not let the media twist our thoughts. He was just like us. Except, his life was like the Truman Show constantly being watched and judged.
 
I went to borders.... bought me a nice cup of tea.... grabbed the book and read a few pages.

the price of tea was $2.34 cents, the time I spent reading MJs words... PRICELESS !!!!

Of course the rabbi misquoted the Hitler comment to raise an uproar only to later state emphatically MJ didn't support Hitler.... all about $$$$$$$$$$

From what i read, MJ believed in Jesus Christ, Loved Children, wanted to use his celebrity status to give a voice to children, loved his mother, family, prince and paris...
Admired deeply Mother Teresa, Princess Diana, Mahatma Gandhi.
He spoke about Justice, he was proud to be an American but he felt as a global ambassador....
MJ repeatedly stated how much he loved his fans and how much us fans REALLY LOVED HIM...
the rabbi had the audacity to say.... YOUR FANS LOVE WHAT YOU GIVE THEM.... THEY REALLY DON'T LOVE YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE..

this prick doesn't know MJ fans..... Sorry for the language folks...

with that said.... I hope the Rabbi rot in hell. There is a section in which MJ is talking about Gavin, his cancer, their friendship. If this book had been published or the tapes released in 2003.... MJ MAYBE could have avoided the whole trial ordeal. Just my opinion.
What is in the book would not have changed or alter OUR feelings for MJ because we have always known him to be a loving and innocent person.
But the haters would have had a different view of MJ and not all the misinterpreted and misconstrued trash that was out there.

why wasn't the book/tape released then??? because i truly believe the falling out MJ had with the rabbi made the rabbi vindictive towards michael. the book/tape would have helped MJ. SOME haters would have understood Michael THE MAN NOT THE MYTH.
why is the book released now?? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ the good rabbi is CASHING in.

I would suggest you guys/gals read the book at the book store (I only read the MJ part of the interviews... didn't even bother reading the rabbi's questions...)

BUT PLEASE DON'T BUY IT.

Michael clearly knew he was being taped. There is a chapter where the rabbi interviews Katherine. the rabbi told Katherine " let me know when you want me to stop the recorder".
But we really don't know what MJ's intention was so.....
 
did you know that he had his own t.v show :yes: cause i remember watching it along time ago :yes:

know is it o.k to say this on here

this man is asshole why would he do that to are angel :mat: he is my angel :angel:
 
I wonder if this Boteach guy would have released this if he was alive, probably not. Another person who wants attention and money. If Michael was still alive, he wouldn't have released them now.
 
I would not spend my money on Rabbi book. I hate people try make money out of Michael's death they are not his friend. I can not stop laughing at Michael comment on Mondonna. I will stick with Ebony and Jet they are loyal and faithful to Michael.
 
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