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Coroners Report released - GRAPHIC CONTENT (Threads merged)

It was really disturbing to read but I had to..:(
I'm still not convinced about the weight though, I'm confused. I'll ask again my friends who hugged him in June if this could really be true..a lot insisted they will never believe it...IDK...Today was really one of the most upsetting days since June, I couldn't work, I was physically sick..:(
 
Rawr said:
I can't even read all of that. It's just going over my head once I reach pg. 21 or so. :mello:

I wish I could have a proper understanding of all of this. I could Google it all but it'd take too long.

I might ask my Physics teacher (who is also a medical doctor) if he'll sit down with me and help me out with it, but I don't know... :/ Maybe my Biology teacher will since she's like a mom to me and knows how much I love MJ.

I can't even think about this being Michael. It just DOES NOT COMPREHEND...

Though, for once, I actually feel like I'm invading his privacy. I'm usually really nosey when it comes to Michael stuff, but this time it just feels weird...
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I don't think it's being nosy. I usually don't care about who he really loved, why he married to the woman -kinda things. While reading the file, I just thought there's nothing new. He was healthy. He had the skin disease. He got broken his rib bones because of the CPR. If none of us look into the file, we will miss something IMO. It's our decision to read or not to read.
I know you were just talking about your opinion.

I hope there's no one who thinks that fans who read it are too nosy.
After reading it, I feel much better since it shows Michael was healthy and his death is because of Marray.
 
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This isn't news and michael was fairly healthy that's why he looked fine. The dangerous tour was not 20 years prior.
 
Oh man...and what was with the catheter thing/ urinary retention?? Was that put in during anesthesia? Or was Michael's condition such that he needed that? Omg, I feel so guilty reading that, and sick, but I wanted to know..
 
Re: Coroners Report released

ivy said:
update from TMZ

UPDATE: In the Coroner's report, the scene at Jackson's house is described in detail, and the bedroom sounds like a hospital. There was a chair next to the bed -- "reportedly the decedent's doctor sat here." Also there -- a green oxygen tank, prescription meds, medical supplies, a box of catheters, disposable needles and alcohol pads. Also found -- near the foot of the bed ... a closed bottle of urine.

Also, there was talk about Jackson's hair and reports he was bald. In fact, the Coroner's report says, "The decedent's head hair is sparse and is connected to a wig."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0eyuBPLVD
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The autopy report is posted on the smoking gun website. I know, I dislike them to and I believe MURRAY's mug should be posted there as well. Anyways here is the like and it is graphic.
In it lists the items in the room where MJ was. It states that the oxygen tank was empty...:(

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0208101jackson1.html
 
I am glad this report was released. Makes Murray even more guilty. Michael was in good health and I hope all these people with their conspiracy theories can now stop.
 
MarielovesMJ said:
I saw a guy while shopping have vitiligo, his skin was partially white. And there are people who don't believe this is a real aliment.
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Well, when it came to MJ ignorant folks couldn't separate his plastic surgeries from the Vitiligo! We all know what they thought why he got surgery for, which was not true! So they figure he changed his skin for that reason too! People can be real delusional sometimes!
 
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I feel numb after reading it but emotionally, in my thoughts I still cannot apply this detailed medical document to Michael. I do not really feel anything, I have no emotions left. I understand it is his autopsy and I will feel sick if I start thinking just that way. I was reading it with no emotions like it doesn’t belong to him. I know it will hit me later real hard. This what usually happens to me. Also the reason why I was reading it, I wanted to understand what happened. And now I know for sure that MJ was killed probably not accidently because there are many questions left in this report without an answer like ephedrine in his body, high level of Propofol, other drugs etc. I hope that the second autopsy report which was done by the family will clear up some questions. After reading this document I still do not believe it was an accident.
 
boy, i'm not used to the law acting so emotionless and formal and unbiased toward someone, like they are toward Murray. i had forgotten that the law was supposed to operate like this, because i was used to it being ravenous, and out of control, and biased like they were, when they raided Neverland, and towards Michael. with Murray's practice, they are trying to be as unrestrictive as possible, in their restrictions..
 
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Asedora said:
I feel numb after reading it but emotionally, in my thoughts I still cannot apply this detailed medical document to Michael. I do not really feel anything, I have no emotions left. I understand it is his autopsy and I will feel sick if I start thinking just that way. I was reading it with no emotions like it doesn’t belong to him. I know it will hit me later real hard. This what usually happens to me. Also the reason why I was reading it, I wanted to understand what happened. And now I know for sure that MJ was killed probably not accidently because there are many questions left in this report without an answer like ephedrine in his body, high level of Propofol, other drugs etc. I hope that the second autopsy report which was done by the family will clear up some questions. After reading this document I still do not believe it was an accident.
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I feel exactly the same i read it with no emotion like it wasnt him and then i actually starting thinking about it and it was way to much to handle. the bad parts are what got me and what they did to him in the autopsy, I just couldnt take the thought of them picking him apart like that. All in all he was a healthy person and he didnt have to die... I just hate the thought of people invading his body. I know it had to be done its just hard to take.
 
kristinaz said:
wait where did the 550 come from. Ugh I wish I could read these stupid things I don't know how to tell whether or not the reading is high for each part.

Just for clarification straight from the affidavit "1040hours Murray finally administered 25mg of Propofol(Diprivan)" So for sure it is mg and not ml
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550 comes from page 17.

I finally got thru the 51 pages of HELL and total invasion of privacy. Had to stop reading several times when I got to parts that were either too graphic or just TMI when you consider how private Michael was. :( :(

Anyway, I convinced myself the only way to get thru this CRAParse situation was to read it for myself with a clinical mind and decide what I think instead of relying on others' interpretations. And I came across 2 interesting things that may have already been mentioned in here, but in case it hasn't....

(Note: This may be a bit graphic for some and it's kinda graphic for me to even type.)

Hair samples were taken but I didn't see any results of the toxicology analysis. Anyone else see this? Did I miss another part somewhere? Please post a link if I have. eek! It's on the very last page (51) and the last thing the coroner's office collected, almost like a last minute afterthought...in August...AT Forest Lawn. :mello: Hair samples are important for the sole purpose of determining how long someone has been taking certain drugs in their body. I'm not sure how much a 1 and-a-half inch strand of hair can yield (meaning how many weeks back that would show) becuz the longer the hair, the further back the analysis can go in time, I believe.

*editing for clarity...not explained right* See post 253.
 
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kristinaz said:
wait where did the 550 come from. Ugh I wish I could read these stupid things I don't know how to tell whether or not the reading is high for each part.

Just for clarification straight from the affidavit "1040hours Murray finally administered 25mg of Propofol(Diprivan)" So for sure it is mg and not ml
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it came from the report , also he was not using an IV infusion , he obvioulsy gave a bolus injection and killed him , and from the concentrantion in mj's urine it was the only injection given that day . That was MURDER . No way a doctor would not have known that it's FATAL ERROR to give propofol through a direct injection especially when there was no equipment to revive .
 
I wasn't sure to read or not... :( But seems my pc don't want to open it, so it's even better. Cuz I would feel like I'm invading Michael's privacy :(

So deeply sad that it's happened like this to Michael, have no words :no:
And I can't believe it's just an accident and there is no one with their dirty greedy hands behind it all.
The one most important thing is - God see it all and at the end they will pay for everything they had done to Michael. Amen.
 
I thought the report said MJ could not have given himself the propofol becuase it was from an IV injection that ws in his left leg and he would have to bend over toadminister it which would seem inconsistent with trying to fall asleep?

Please correct me if wrong, I really don't know what bolus means but I was trying to undertsand the post.

Thamks.
 
do they show MJ autopsy meaing pictures if the do i wont look
 
Second point. The 2 Urines. This seems very interesting to me for 2 reasons. Propofol, lidocaine and benzos were found in BOTH samples. Now think about this for a second or two. Urine production STOPS or declines after death, yet Michael had more urine in his bladder waiting to be excreted (550 ml)....just a little more than what was found in the bottle (450 ml). His bladder was distended...which sorta means it was kinda "full" and time for him to possibly "go" again.

Now, if BOTH samples contain propofol and benzos, could Michael have had that much liquid in him to produce BOTH propofol and benzo laced urines in such a small amount of time? To me, it suggests Murray was giving Michael propofol earlier/longer than he claimed?

What do you think? Do you think it's possible that Michael could have been able to produce the sample in the bottle AND what was STILL in his bladder between 10:40 til when the paramedics got there and he appeared to have lost signs of life? Remember if Murray, per his version of things, put Michael out at 10:40. Michael couldn't have produced enuf urine to "go" twice in that amount of time, could he? In less than 2 hours? I know they found lots of empty orange juice bottles on the nightstand so MAYBE he was drinking a lot to hydrate himself. But if he didn't receive propofol til 10:40am he could have gone to the bathroom on his own (all night and into the morning) and empty his bladder. He'd only need the catheter thingy for when he was going to be put out for long periods of time and unable to go on his own, right? :unsure:

If any of you have ever been catheterized can remember how often you "went" (this is one time where TMI might be helpful) or if you had any control over how often you "went"...or if it just happened randomly without any control from you, this might be helpful.
 
wendy2004 said:
Hair samples were taken but I didn't see any results of the toxicology analysis. Anyone else see this? Did I miss another part somewhere? Please post a link if I have. eek! It's on the very last page (51) and the last thing the coroner's office collected, almost like a last minute afterthought...in August...AT Forest Lawn. :mello: Hair samples are important for the sole purpose of determining how long someone has been taking certain drugs in their body. I'm not sure how much a 1 and-a-half inch strand of hair can yield (meaning how many weeks back that would show) becuz the longer the hair, the further back the analysis can go in time, I believe.
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my understanding - they did not need hair samples because blood test showed no illegal drugs etc in his system. they probably did not need to test for long term use. they later went and took hair samples just to make sure that they have samples if further test needed.
 
Soundmind said:
it came from the report , also he was not using an IV infusion , he obvioulsy gave a bolus injection and killed him , and from the concentrantion in mj's urine it was the only injection given that day . That was MURDER . No way a doctor would not have known that it's FATAL ERROR to give propofol through a direct injection especially when there was no equipment to revive .
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wendy2004 said:
550 comes from page 17.

I finally got thru the 51 pages of HELL and total invasion of privacy. Had to stop reading several times when I got to parts that were either too graphic or just TMI when you consider how private Michael was. :( :(

Anyway, I convinced myself the only way to get thru this CRAParse situation was to read it for myself with a clinical mind and decide what I think instead of relying on others' interpretations. And I came across 2 interesting things that may have already been mentioned in here, but in case it hasn't....

(Note: This may be a bit graphic for some and it's kinda graphic for me to even type.)

Hair samples were taken but I didn't see any results of the toxicology analysis. Anyone else see this? Did I miss another part somewhere? Please post a link if I have. eek! It's on the very last page (51) and the last thing the coroner's office collected, almost like a last minute afterthought...in August...AT Forest Lawn. :mello: Hair samples are important for the sole purpose of determining how long someone has been taking certain drugs in their body. I'm not sure how much a 1 and-a-half inch strand of hair can yield (meaning how many weeks back that would show) becuz the longer the hair, the further back the analysis can go in time, I believe.

*editing for clarity...not explained right*
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Thanks you guys it helps. I got home and quickly glanced at the report was too scared to read the whole thing. Wendy I was reading your second point about the urine and your right I never thought about that! Also thank you to the member who posted the medical terminology.
 
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Pg 49 they list contents of syringes/IV stuff they took from the house:

10 cc syringe barrel with plunger, 0,19g white fluid, contained propofol + lidocaine

4 components of an IV system:
- 10cc syringe w/ 0,17g white fluid, containing propofol, lidocaine, flumanezil
- short section of IV tubing attached to Y connector 0,47g yellow tinted fluid, propofol, lidocaine, flumanezil
- no drugs in 17g clear fluid from long section of IV tubing attached to an IV bag plug
- no drugs in 0,38g clear fluid from 1000cc IV bag.

Now, from that I only know what a syringe and IV bag are, hopefully someone else can make sense of it, I assume it means the propofol was given as an injection?
 
ivy said:
my understanding - they did not need hair samples because blood test showed no illegal drugs etc in his system. they probably did not need to test for long term use. they later went and took hair samples just to make sure that they have samples if further test needed.
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Makes total sense. Thanks.
 
We can only hope that the jury does not take into consideration, the other drugs found....& think the wrong thing with that. that mj was a "drug addict" in the first place. am i wrong???
 
BillieJean84 said:
We can only hope that the jury does not take into consideration, the other drugs found....& think the wrong thing with that. that mj was a "drug addict" in the first place. am i wrong???
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they should only take into account what was in michael's body and who gave them to him and how this contributed to his death.
 
nena said:
they should only take into account what was in michael body and who gave them to him and how this contributed to his death.
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oh ok thank you. I meant like someone on the jury would not have sympahty for mj but that answered my question
 
princessleia said:
Pg 49 they list contents of syringes/IV stuff they took from the house:

10 cc syringe barrel with plunger, 0,19g white fluid, contained propofol + lidocaine

4 components of an IV system:
- 10cc syringe w/ 0,17g white fluid, containing propofol, lidocaine, flumanezil
- short section of IV tubing attached to Y connector 0,47g yellow tinted fluid, propofol, lidocaine, flumanezil
- no drugs in 17g clear fluid from long section of IV tubing attached to an IV bag plug
- no drugs in 0,38g clear fluid from 1000cc IV bag.

Now, from that I only know what a syringe and IV bag are, hopefully someone else can make sense of it, I assume it means the propofol was given as an injection?
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*edit: I see you're talking about another syringe*

BillieJean84 said:
We can only hope that the jury does not take into consideration, the other drugs found....& think the wrong thing with that. that mj was a "drug addict" in the first place. am i wrong???
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Not necessarily. My mother takes approx. 8 drugs a day to maintain her heart, blood pressure, cholesterol, and water retention on a daily basis...for the rest of her life. You can imagine what her nightstand and medicine cabinet looks like. Would she qualify as a drug addict based solely on the amount of meds she's legitimately taking?

I think the medications have to be kept in context...meaning did Michael have a legitimate medical need for these meds and was he taking them as prescribed? From the list in the autopsy report, I don't see any drug overlaps...meaning they found 2 identical drugs of the same name written by 2 different doctors during the same time period. All the meds are different...except those that fit into the benzo category. If each doctor (other than Murray) that prescribed the meds can establish a legitimate medical need, then they would be able to put each medication into context for a jury, I think.
 
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i got thow the 7 page but was tooo scard to read it i was scard to see mJ like this
 
Cris123 said:
First of all, this day was terrible for me, I was phisically sick, and mentally destroyed. I did watch Murray and read the autopsy because I want to know and because I don't care about my well being anyway.

Some of you asked about the level of propofol, it says the level is for major surgery such as abdominal surgery and that at those levels you require intubation (artificial breathing) and constant monitoring. How is this involuntary????

Also, the hemorrage is due to rescue efforts.
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That's exactly what I think. How can it possibly be called involuntary? He didn't have the proper equipment, didn't perform CPR correctly, waited too long to call 911... how do they KNOW it wasn't on PURPOSE?!!!! They don't!!!

I still can't believe that a year ago we were discussing what Michael was wearing, and now we're discussing an autopsy report. This just breaks my heart. Again. :cry:
 
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