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Re: Regarding the Coroner's Report...

Well from what I read in the report, Michael was healthy although it stated he suffered from vitiligo and lupus and pain. The report showed that Michael was not a drug addict, no weed, oxycotin, cocaine etc. in his system. Some of the prescription medication he took were for his disease and lupus. The drugs that were put in his system by Dr. Murray seems to strike suspicion in me. I think it also is a cause for concerned about whether or not those drugs were what Dr. Murray claimed he gave before giving the propofol or were they to cover up something...plus there was way too much propofol Murray gave to Michael...just my thoughts.
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
You're blaming Michael for this? A Dr who is administering this powerful drug, ought to know that Propofol does not help with sleep in any shape or form and does not give you rest. Murray should NOT have given this to Michael at all unless he was operating in a hospital period. What a ridiculous post.
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My post was very clear...if you can't read or understand english, it's not my problem.

You, insinuating that I think MJ is to blame for his death, is preposterous.

Which supports my previous comment about you.
 
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MoeJack said:
I just read the Coroner's 51 page report...and it made me sick. I just couldn't believe that Michael had all of these physical, emotional, and cosmetic problems for all of these years and yet for the past 50 years he looked stellar. It really shows just how much he went through to appear more than perfect to the public and to his fans, looking healthy and vibrant and beautiful as ever. Yet, in reality he was suffering from all of these medical problems and prescribtion drugs and depression and pain and physical ailments. Yet here he was at 50..about to embark on 50 solt out shows, looking and sounding greater than ever..with many of us comparing him to the Dangerous era from 20 years prior. It's just so hard to take in. This is really the first time it's hit me since june/july. Any thoughts?
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The only thing I saw in regard to this was of the scars left over from the burn incident from the Pepsi commercial. Other than that I didn't see anything about cosmetic problems in trying to be perfect.
 
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Beachlover said:
Jumping on a poster who makes that sort of statement is uncalled for.

Propofol can give a wonderful sleep as has been proven. You do not know everything.

This poster in no way blamed Michael for anything. You, on the other hand, have decided that it has to be given in a hospital operating room and you are wrong about that too. What an equally reticulous post from you too.
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thank you for defending my original post.

This poster has been on a vitriolic mission all evening...I have deemed him or her an attention seeker.
 
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Memefan said:
My post was very clear...if you can't read or understand english, it's not my problem.

You, insinuating that I think MJ is to blame for his death, is preposterous.

Which supports my previous comment about you.
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It wasnt an insinuation. And you must have forgot what it was that you said. Call me names as much as you like, water off a ducks back, it is known and has been mentioned by Drs that Propofol doesnt not give you rest at all. It puts you in a coma and as the Autopsy Report has said, it has never been documented that Propofol has been used to treat insomnia.
 
To the medical knowledgeable folks does the line: spermatogenesis with normal leydig cells confirm that the reports of MJ being unable to be the father of the kids was definitely BS?
 
Someone PLEASE save the file and send it to me, it is not working (it says it is damaged), I need to read it....:( my email is spylka@gmail.com thanks
 
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wendy2004 said:
Second point. The 2 Urines. This seems very interesting to me for 2 reasons. Propofol, lidocaine and benzos were found in BOTH samples. Now think about this for a second or two. Urine production STOPS or declines after death, yet Michael had more urine in his bladder waiting to be excreted (550 ml)....just a little more than what was found in the bottle (450 ml). His bladder was distended...which sorta means it was kinda "full" and time for him to possibly "go" again.

Now, if BOTH samples contain propofol and benzos, could Michael have had that much liquid in him to produce BOTH propofol and benzo laced urines in such a small amount of time? To me, it suggests Murray was giving Michael propofol earlier/longer than he claimed?

What do you think? Do you think it's possible that Michael could have been able to produce the sample in the bottle AND what was STILL in his bladder between 10:40 til when the paramedics got there and he appeared to have lost signs of life? Remember if Murray, per his version of things, put Michael out at 10:40. Michael couldn't have produced enuf urine to "go" twice in that amount of time, could he? In less than 2 hours? I know they found lots of empty orange juice bottles on the nightstand so MAYBE he was drinking a lot to hydrate himself. But if he didn't receive propofol til 10:40am he could have gone to the bathroom on his own (all night and into the morning) and empty his bladder. He'd only need the catheter thingy for when he was going to be put out for long periods of time and unable to go on his own, right? :unsure:

If any of you have ever been catheterized can remember how often you "went" (this is one time where TMI might be helpful) or if you had any control over how often you "went"...or if it just happened randomly without any control from you, this might be helpful.
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I have suspected for a while that murray never tried to wean MJ off Propofol as he claimed. I think he gave MJ the propofol very early on and he was on it for hours until he died. The report said he even had proposal in his eyes tissue. For it get to all these organs, in such concentration, MJ had to have been hooked on the drug for a while..and not just 25mg.

A specialist on CNN said 25 mg of proposal won't put you to sleep for long (that was back in september when the first autopsy leaked)...for MJ to have a catheter on, murray must have intended for him to be asleep for hours.

I cannot imagine him going through such pain (putting a catheter on is hell apparently) every night....sad. It pains me that cannot have a "do-over" with him.

MJ trusted this incompetent doctor...all he had to do was monitor him. If he knew he couldn't do a proper job, he should have turned him down.

nena said:
they should only take into account what was in michael's body and who gave them to him and how this contributed to his death.
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:clapping::clapping::clapping: Nicely put.

Also, the other drugs were all prescribed for good cause. We know MJ has a history of the ailments the drugs are usually prescribed for (panic attacks, insomnia..) These are not the opiates that Chopra & Oxman have been blabbing about.

Dangerous Incorporated said:
It wasnt an insinuation. And you must have forgot what it was that you said. Call me names as much as you like, water off a ducks back, it is known and has been mentioned by Drs that Propofol doesnt not give you rest at all. It puts you in a coma and as the Autopsy Report has said, it has never been documented that Propofol has been used to treat insomnia.
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Go back re-read my post and make sure you have a dictionary available.

My post couldn't insinuate that MJ is to blame, because, I do not believe it.

By the way, I will no longer respond to your posts...because you & I do not speak the same language and don't seem to communicate efficiently enough.

Good bye 2 u.
 
caleb20003 said:
To the medical knowledgeable folks does the line: spermatogenesis with normal leydig cells confirm that the reports of MJ being unable to be the father of the kids was definitely BS?
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it means he was producing sperm.
 
Btw.. ephedrine was also present in both urines. (page 50) Forgot to mention that.

And to go back to the drug list....if you look at some of the meds that were in pill form, some were issued as early as Dec. 2008 and April 2009 by Murray and Metzger yet by the time of June 25th came around, Michael STILL hadn't finished a supply of 30 pills which he was directed to take "as needed". Look at the diazepam in tablet form and how often Michael was to take it. It was issued on 6/20, yet by 6/25 only 3 pills had been used. To me, that indicates Michael wasn't necessarily taking these meds everyday...or rather, he didn't feel a need to take them everyday or more than once a day as a true addict/prescription abuser would have. It also may indicate that at some point the meds no longer worked for him so he simply stopped taking them.

Translation: Doesn't look like he was popping these pills like skittles just becuz he could. Murray's defense is on thin ice if he tries to go the "MJ was an out-of-control addict" route with a jury...IMO.

Going to be now. :(

RIP Michael.
 

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Didn't the Chandlers lie and say he was circumsized? Sorry for the TMI!
 
come on, someone help me, isn`t it possible to save the PDF file from browser??? I`m so worried what`s in it, I want to read it, somebody help me..
 
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Propofol SHOULD NOT be given to treat insomnia. Every doctor knows that and it has been discussed many times on TV with specialists. Propofol can be used only in hospitals in operating rooms. Get real here.
If you guys ever been under anesthesia you should know how you feel after. It is not a healthy “sleep”. The drug just knocks you down and then you “wake up” feeling sort of emotionally relaxed but still tired and very weak.
I do not still understand how come that Murray gave it to him? I can assume that Michael asked for it but it does not mean that doctor had to give it to him. I believe that murders put Michael in a very stressful situation knowing his problems with insomnia and as a result he is not with us anymore.
Michael was driven to death it didn’t happened overnight. It looks like in Hollywood music industry they own super stars and they decide when this star has to die. Everything is for profit.
 
Re: Regarding the Coroner's Report...

I am scared to read it...

I just read what the other fans have summarized because I feel physically ill just thinking about it.

From what I have read from other users, Michael was healthy despite his other illnesses such as vitiligo and lupus! His death was so avoidable... :cry:

I feel numb....
 
It hurt so much to see Michaels name on the right corner. I just read the whole thing :cry: My heart is aching
 
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i don't know what to believe. some things in the report i believe, and some things in the report i do not believe. and that is my right.
 
Asedora said:
Propofol SHOULD NOT be given to treat insomnia. Every doctor knows that and it has been discussed many times on TV with specialists. Propofol can be used only in hospitals in operating rooms. Get real here.
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Thank you. I think its the first time we've agreed on something.
Edit: 2nd time! lol

Odd that one member claims to be a nurse and doesnt know this and those of us who arent in the field do know this.
 
read the whole thread. haven't read the report yet, but the info in this thread gives me an idea what to expect.

poor Michael. he really tried to be careful about his health. He consulted doctors and he hired one to look after him. But the doctor was just hungry for money and couldn't care less about his patient. Our Michael, who has healthy and not an addict, was murdered. It's tragic.

Murray will join Chandler in hell one day.
 
Can someone tell me which page of the report lists the drugs he was taking.
 
MJstarlight said:
yes of course they lied!
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I thought the same thing!!

Reading this coroner's report has made me feel squeamish - and I am a medical scientist who has been in the path lab heaps of times!! I think it's just because it's Michael that I feel this way.
 
A little correction :

Asedora said:
Propofol can be used only in hospitals in operating rooms.
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It's actually used in several minor procedures outside hospital setting such as colonoscopy, wisdom teeth removal etc. Legally it's not illegal to administer it outside a hospital setting. (but of course if you don't have the necessary precautions that's negligence)


For the other things you are right and this is why a involuntary manslaughter case is happening.
 
i dont understand this forum. We cant post fairly mild opinions or articles of basic content but we can post a full autopsy report about how they minced him!? WTF!???
 
I just read the whole lot and i never thought i would see the day that i read Michael Jackson's Coroner/Autopsy Report,very hard to take.
 
For anyone who care I converted the results from micrograms to milligrams

0.10 µg = 0.0001 mg - Urine Scene
2.6 µg = 0.0026 mg - Femoral Blood
4.1 µg = 0.0041 mg - Hospital Blood
3.2 µg = 0.0032 mg - Heart Blood
0.40 µg = 0.0004 mg - Vitreous
6.2 µg = 0.0062 mg - Liver
0.15 µg = 0.00015 mg - Urine
0.13mg - Gastric Content
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Thank you. I think its the first time we've agreed on something.
Edit: 2nd time! lol

Odd that one member claims to be a nurse and doesnt know this and those of us who arent in the field do know this.
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It's true that propofol should never be given for insomia, it is also true that residents/anesthesiologists/doctors who have abused propofol have done so because of severe insomnia. Studies for abuse/addiction to propofol show that the majority have post traumatic stress syndrome, severe insomnia, past physical or sexual abuse.
 
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