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kasume said:
There were bruises on his chest......hmmm.....

I think someone pinned him down by force.
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The bruises on his chest would have been from CPR. There is an Ephedrine/Caffeine/Asprin bottle found at the scene also; not doctor prescribed.

They have already stated there was no foul play to the body (meaning no forced trauma)

They can also tell whether there was a any blood flow by the types of bruises they found.
 
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Billie_Jean09 said:
Exactly! The very fact that there are 2 ''stories'' of events to this whole sorry tragic scenario says alot. Agree? :(

The truth is the truth. Which is it?? :doh:
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we don't know :

search warrants say 11
autopsy report says 12 (according to a LAPD detective on 26th June , ie before Murray was interrogated by the LAPD)
Murray's lawyers now say 12

I think Murray said he gave propofol at 10 50. So what he was doing between 11 and 12 is important, since he was supposed to monitor Michael.
 
A central chest shows 1- 1.2, 1-1.4 IRREGULAR abrasion with surrounding 3x3 inch bruise – report says. Now I want to ask WHO DID THIS? This is not normal! Something is not right here!
 
another tidbit: they mention finding an empty vial of propofol already when they first went to the house, propofol is listed on the drug list dated June 26. Murray was only interviewed on the 27th, so I guess then Murray didn't tell police about the propofol "voluntarily".
(No idea though why he would leave one vial lying around when the rest was hidden.)
 
I thought Propofol dissipates quickly into the system so for there to still be significant trace amounts of Propofol would mean that Murray had to give him more the 25ml. There were 6 bottles found in the room. How many mls in each bottle?
 
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What I don't get is why would he give this stuff to MJ between 10:00 and 11:00 a.m. on this particular day when MJ's chef said he would routinely come down to the kitchen to get MJ's breakfast at around 9:00 a.m.?

Why did he change his routine like this?

What was he doing between 9:00 a.m. and 12:00 noon?
 
wow I couldn't read the whole thing ...It was reallllllyy hard to read...I feel like I am gonna throw up.....I cannot read anymore.......:cry:...I got to about page 5 or 6.....

edit......it was page 13..not...6........all I can do is cry..........I cannot read anymore!!
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
I thought Propofol dissipates quickly into the system so for there to still be significant trace amounts of Propofol would mean that Murray had to give him more the 25ml. There were 6 bottles found in the room. How many mls in each bottle?
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I thought the report said it was 25mg not 25ml we'd have to convert the mg's to ml's, I suppose. The half life is 30-60 mins according to what I've researched
 
Asedora said:
A central chest shows 1- 1.2, 1-1.4 IRREGULAR abrasion with surrounding 3x3 inch bruise – report says. Now I want to ask WHO DID THIS? This is not normal! Something is not right here!
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probably CPR. they state that there's no foul play - no forced trauma.
 
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And I still can't understand why a cardiologist would not have emergency equipment on hand to jump start his patient's heart in case something went wrong.

Hasn't Dr. Murray ever heard of Murphy's Law?
 
The report is :shock: :boohoo: Poor Michael. To die being in good health and having a personal doctor in the house. It's unbelievable. He at least could be resuscitated if Murray monitored him. It is not just an accident. I'm so angry.
 
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still according to the LAPD, it says that Michael had been "undergoing
daily strenuous exercise in preparation for a planned music tour". Nothing to do with his death, it just gives a hint of what the first testimonies were (this report is dated June 26)
 
ivy said:
probably CPR. they state that there's no faul play - no forced trauma.
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It says IRREGULAR. CPR procedure cannot give a person such a strange marks on the skin.It does not make sense. 4 ribs are broken too. What kind of CPR was that?!
 
Yeezy2010 said:
I just hope none of the pictures taken leak in any way.
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I hope so too. But there's 61 autopsy photos and 17 photos taken at hospital. I fear that one will leak but I hope it doesn't happen.
 
propofol concentration in urine was 0.15 and urine bladder 550 , it is very very low percentage , it means Murray probably gave mj ONE SHOT of propofol during the last 12 hours of his life . High concentration of propofol in blood does not mean he was given a lethal dose , it means MJ died immediatley , because normaly the concentration drops within a minute or two , but 4.1 is HIGH , really HIGH and it fits within the range of blood concentration when someone's under a major procedure and not just sedation . Based on propofol concentration in his blood MJ probably died within seconds .

the oxygen tank was empty , GREAT .

if they had a motive , he would have been charged with FIRST DEGREE MURDER .
 
Asedora said:
It says IRREGULAR. CPR procedure cannot give a person such a strange marks on the skin.It does not make sense. 4 ribs are broken too. What kind of CPR was that?!
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it's not unusual to break ribs during CPR.

Do you mean irregular bruises ?
 
Asedora said:
It says IRREGULAR. CPR procedure cannot give a person such a strange marks on the skin.It does not make sense. 4 ribs are broken too. What kind of CPR was that?!
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irregular means that it does not have a perfect shape such as it is not a circle etc. (that's what I understood at least).
ribs are often broken at CPR. when doing CPR you need to apply pressure to the heart that would mean breaking ribs.

What if I crack a rib when I do CPR?

Frequently ribs are broken with the pressure CPR places on the sternum. Some studies quote up to 30% of cardiac arrest victims have broken ribs as a result of CPR. This happens more frequently the older the victim since the cartilage is less compliant and the bones more easily crackable. But remember, it's better to have a cracked rib than be dead.
 
ivy, I honestly think at least one will leak eventually too. There will be to many people dying to get there hands on a pic.

Such a sick world we live in.
 
AllForMJ said:
And I still can't understand why a cardiologist would not have emergency equipment on hand to jump start his patient's heart in case something went wrong.

Hasn't Dr. Murray ever heard of Murphy's Law?
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Technically, you can not jump start a heart. Thats just something we see on TV and in movies, but you never do that in real life. The machine you are referring to is a defibrillator and it is used to break a bad rhythm the heart is in.

What would have been needed here would have been oxygen because the benzo effect is to stop breathing and once you stop breathing you don't get oxygen and thats what causes your heart to pump fast to try to get oxygen.

He didn't even have an IV Dosing pump which is just unheard of.
 
Yeezy2010 said:
I just hope none of the pictures taken leak in any way.
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^ Yeah I'm very worried about that too... God I hope it never ever happens.


As far as the CPR... even when you take a very basic CPR class they tell you it's common to break ribs, break the sternum, cause bruises, abrasions etc. CPR is meant to jump start the heart... which is inside the chest... to do it probably you have to push HARD.

example explanation:
Properly performed chest compressions can cause ribs or the sternum to break in adult victims. If you hear ribs "cracking" you should check your hand location on the victim's chest. Although broken ribs can cause complications, you must keep in mind that the person is in cardiac arrest and that you are trying to revive him/her. Don't delay CPR or do inadequate chest compressions because you are afraid you might break someone's ribs.
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How come there is no estimated time of death by the coroner or anybody? Then it would be know if MJ had already died by the time 911 was called or not (although it is likely he was). I cant remember if we know when it was that Murray gave MJ propofol?
 
Beachlover said:
Technically, you can not jump start a heart. Thats just something we see on TV and in movies, but you never do that in real life. The machine you are referring to is a defibrillator and it is used to break a bad rhythm the heart is in.

What would have been needed here would have been oxygen because the benzo effect is to stop breathing and once you stop breathing you don't get oxygen and thats what causes your heart to pump fast to try to get oxygen.

He didn't even have an IV Dosing pump which is just unheard of.
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Actually, what would have been needed here was a doctor with much better sense and skills.

Also, I already know about the AED.
 
Soundmind said:
propofol concentration in urine was 0.15 and urine bladder 550 , it is very very low percentage , it means Murray probably gave mj ONE SHOT of propofol during the last 12 hours of his life . High concentration of propofol in blood does not mean he was given a lethal dose , it means MJ died immediatley , because normaly the concentration drops within a minute or two , but 4.1 is HIGH , really HIGH and it fits within the range of blood concentration when someone's under a major procedure and not just sedation . Based on propofol concentration in his blood MJ probably died within seconds .

the oxygen tank was empty , GREAT .

if they had a motive , he would have been charged with FIRST DEGREE MURDER .
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Do you remember me speaking about whether or not the drip was on a pump or not? Ok. Well, here is the thing. They do say in the report that he had the amount after induction that would be used for general anesthesia. That means that he was dripping this into his arm too fast more than likely.

The oxygen tank was checked days later I believe and its not uncommon for them to not be turned all the way off so that means little to me either.

The time line seems to have been corrected and since there is bruising I would think it means he was still pumping blood at the time of the bruising but I'd have to speak with someone who does autopsies to find out more. You can't bruise someone whose heart does not beat.

The charge, after hearing all of this and reading the autopsy made me shake my head too. I don't understand why it is so slight.
 
allformj said:
for years they called him a pedophile, and after the execution of over 100 search warrants, nothing could be found to prove it.

For years they called him a drug addict, and now here is an autopsy report that proves that he wasn't.

They started saying he could no longer sing, and "this is it" has proven that he still could. This type of stuff just went on and on and on.

They made him live a life of total scrutiny and nothing that they were looking for was there to be found. None of it!!!

Now they all can go back to their miserable lives...they're own miserable secret lives.

Michael jackson's final destination is heaven.

Their final destination is hell.
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amen!!!
 
Beachlover said:
Do you remember me speaking about whether or not the drip was on a pump or not? Ok. Well, here is the thing. They do say in the report that he had the amount after induction that would be used for general anesthesia. That means that he was dripping this into his arm too fast more than likely.

The oxygen tank was checked days later I believe and its not uncommon for them to not be turned all the way off so that means little to me either.

The time line seems to have been corrected and since there is bruising I would think it means he was still pumping blood at the time of the bruising but I'd have to speak with someone who does autopsies to find out more. You can't bruise someone whose heart does not beat.

The charge, after hearing all of this and reading the autopsy made me shake my head too. I don't understand why it is so slight.
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it says in the report as well that there was no infusion pump...that is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous to NOT have an infusion pump....propofol should not be infused without a pump....i guess it was given IV push??? that'll do it...:cry:
 
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