Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[elusive moonwalker]

Because she panders to the white men at the top. She does their bidding. Look how she protects harvey amongst others and is so quick to attack the people they want attacked. She needs an oscar for the best uncle tom.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember when they tried to say....&#128514;&#128514;...that Michael Jackson...&#128514;&#128514;&#128514;....was cancelled? &#128514;&#128514;&#128514; <a href="https://t.co/22UxcuuL1Q">https://t.co/22UxcuuL1Q</a></p>&mdash; Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1217495921375809536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. Januar 2020</a></blockquote>
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[myosotis]

LOL LOL LOL LOL :rollin: :hysterical:

Latest news on awards for 'Leaving Neverland':

The 'Broadcast Awards' (presented on 5th Feb 2020, have nominated LN for the following award...no, not best doc, or best specialist factual, or best post-production, not best original programme, not best popular factual programme, nope it missed out on all those nominations, in favour of...(drumroll)....

....

....

Timeline TV Moment of the Year
(Sponsored by Timeline TV)
for:

Abuse victim James Safechuck reveals the &#8216;engagement ring&#8217; Michael Jackson bought him for a mock wedding
(Amos Pictures for Channel 4/HBO)

Others in the same category are:
Bros: After the Screaming Stops
The brothers debate the danger of conkers
Fulwell 73 & Lorton Entertainment for BBC Four

Chernobyl
Tense countdown as conscripts have 90 seconds to throw radioactive granite into the reactor&#8217;s core
Sister & The Mighty Mint for HBO/Sky Atlantic

Fleabag
Fleabag and the &#8216;hot priest&#8217; get up close in the confession box
Two Brothers Pictures for BBC Three/Amazon Prime

Line of Duty
DCS Carmichael puts Ted through the wringer about his murky past in a lengthy grilling in the interrogation room
World Productions for BBC One

Lorraine
&#8216;What&#8217;s the point of that?&#8217;: Lorraine Kelly lashes out at Jennifer Arcuri
ITV Studios for ITV

Love Island
&#8216;I was coming back to tell you that I love you&#8217;: Amy&#8217;s heartbreak as Curtis confesses his feelings for Jourdan
ITV Studios & Motion Content Group for ITV2


https://broadcastawards.co.uk/shortlist-2020/

(I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the Estate legal offices right now. I'm betting they won't know whether to laugh or scream!)

The awards will be held at a very posh hotel in central London (Grosvenor House Hotel), and are sponsored among others by Barclay's Bank, BT and Canon. ''The Broadcast Awards are the most hotly anticipated event in the television industry calendar. Celebrating the very best in British programming and channels. The awards recognise and reward the UK&#8217;s most ground-breaking content, creators and channels.''

 

[terrell]

LOL LOL LOL LOL :rollin: :hysterical:

Latest news on awards for 'Leaving Neverland':

The 'Broadcast Awards' (presented on 5th Feb 2020, have nominated LN for the following award...no, not best doc, or best specialist factual, or best post-production, not best original programme, not best popular factual programme, nope it missed out on all those nominations, in favour of...(drumroll)....

....

....

Timeline TV Moment of the Year
(Sponsored by Timeline TV)
for:

Abuse victim James Safechuck reveals the ‘engagement ring’ Michael Jackson bought him for a mock wedding
(Amos Pictures for Channel 4/HBO)

Others in the same category are:
Bros: After the Screaming Stops
The brothers debate the danger of conkers
Fulwell 73 & Lorton Entertainment for BBC Four

Chernobyl
Tense countdown as conscripts have 90 seconds to throw radioactive granite into the reactor’s core
Sister & The Mighty Mint for HBO/Sky Atlantic

Fleabag
Fleabag and the ‘hot priest’ get up close in the confession box
Two Brothers Pictures for BBC Three/Amazon Prime

Line of Duty
DCS Carmichael puts Ted through the wringer about his murky past in a lengthy grilling in the interrogation room
World Productions for BBC One

Lorraine
‘What’s the point of that?’: Lorraine Kelly lashes out at Jennifer Arcuri
ITV Studios for ITV

Love Island
‘I was coming back to tell you that I love you’: Amy’s heartbreak as Curtis confesses his feelings for Jourdan
ITV Studios & Motion Content Group for ITV2


https://broadcastawards.co.uk/shortlist-2020/

(I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the Estate legal offices right now. I'm betting they won't know whether to laugh or scream!)

The awards will be held at a very posh hotel in central London (Grosvenor House Hotel), and are sponsored among others by Barclay's Bank, BT and Canon. ''The Broadcast Awards are the most hotly anticipated event in the television industry calendar. Celebrating the very best in British programming and channels. The awards recognise and reward the UK’s most ground-breaking content, creators and channels.''

The British media and tabloids need to have a seat. Right now, the british media is not looking good on how they are treated Megan and Harry and trying to put all blame on Megan. Their bigotry is so apparent. Look even how they did MJ with the name calling. Always want to disrespect people of color/blacks.

 

[terrell]

Because she panders to the white men at the top. She does their bidding. Look how she protects harvey amongst others and is so quick to attack the people they want attacked. She needs an oscar for the best uncle tom.

Today she want to talk about why she never married Stedman. She needs to sit down and do not try to deflect the issue off what she was trying to do to Russell Simmons and got busted and lies and tactic she did to MJ. People are not letting it go.

 

[Amaya]

Because she panders to the white men at the top. She does their bidding. Look how she protects harvey amongst others and is so quick to attack the people they want attacked. She needs an oscar for the best uncle tom.

She appeals to the stay-at-home mom crowd as well since she had a daytime talk show. I'm sure a lot of women that watched her show continued to follow her work after it ended.

LOL LOL LOL LOL :rollin: :hysterical:

Latest news on awards for 'Leaving Neverland':

The 'Broadcast Awards' (presented on 5th Feb 2020, have nominated LN for the following award...no, not best doc, or best specialist factual, or best post-production, not best original programme, not best popular factual programme, nope it missed out on all those nominations, in favour of...(drumroll)....

....

....

Timeline TV Moment of the Year
(Sponsored by Timeline TV)
for:

Abuse victim James Safechuck reveals the &#8216;engagement ring&#8217; Michael Jackson bought him for a mock wedding
(Amos Pictures for Channel 4/HBO)

Jesus ****ing Christ this is desperate holy shit.

 

[DifferentKindOfLady]

Today she want to talk about why she never married Stedman. She needs to sit down and do not try to deflect the issue off what she was trying to do to Russell Simmons and got busted and lies and tactic she did to MJ. People are not letting it go.

That guy Stedman... To me he is so creepy. And I´ve never understood their relationship either. She didn´t married him because she never liked him, he´s just a puppet, so she can say she has a man.

 

[christy]

Because she panders to the white men at the top. She does their bidding. Look how she protects harvey amongst others and is so quick to attack the people they want attacked. She needs an oscar for the best uncle tom.

For her, pandering and doing her bidding to network bosses like Harvey
must be a badge of honor.
Just think, to be invited to his private luxury yacht...
zipping champagne watching LN mockumentary
hot from the heels of Sundance ....even before HBO releases it,
makes her think she's in the inner circle ..
in the upper echelon of the media fraternity..
an admission to the "boys" club, is a sign she's arrived.
She's one of them in the media empire ..a powerful force to be reckoned with.

 

[Carmour260]

That guy Stedman... To me he is so creepy. And I´ve never understood their relationship either. She didn´t married him because she never liked him, he´s just a puppet, so she can say she has a man.

What made you think Stedman was creepy? That's new to me, so I'm curious on how you got that impression. I always thought that Stedman was used a beard as well. Oprah and Gayle are really lovers, but they can't be out because it's still sort of a taboo subject in the Black community (although I can't speak for the entire Black community). Although Oprah and Gayle are snakes themselves, I believe there's something else going on as well. I hope Tyler Perry watch his back very carefully because eventually, they will turn on him. I've heard some stories about him as well.

Let's keep an eye out on what's going on out there.

 

[terrell]

What made you think Stedman was creepy? That's new to me, so I'm curious on how you got that impression. I always thought that Stedman was used a beard as well. Oprah and Gayle are really lovers, but they can't be out because it's still sort of a taboo subject in the Black community (although I can't speak for the entire Black community). Although Oprah and Gayle are snakes themselves, I believe there's something else going on as well. I hope Tyler Perry watch his back very carefully because eventually, they will turn on him. I've heard some stories about him as well.

Let's keep an eye out on what's going on out there.

Oprah gets on my nerves now;however, I do not agree with this nor do I think it is good to make claims that is unfounded despite her doing this to MJ. That make us look just as bad.

 

[DifferentKindOfLady]

What made you think Stedman was creepy? That's new to me, so I'm curious on how you got that impression. I always thought that Stedman was used a beard as well. Oprah and Gayle are really lovers, but they can't be out because it's still sort of a taboo subject in the Black community (although I can't speak for the entire Black community). Although Oprah and Gayle are snakes themselves, I believe there's something else going on as well. I hope Tyler Perry watch his back very carefully because eventually, they will turn on him. I've heard some stories about him as well.

Let's keep an eye out on what's going on out there.

I don't know, I just always felt like that towards him. And I heard that story about them being lovers but I don't know if that's real. If it is good for them. But I always thought Stedman was just for a show.

 

[DifferentKindOfLady]

Oprah gets on my nerves now;however, I do not agree with this nor do I think it is good to make claims that is unfounded despite her doing this to MJ. That make us look just as bad.

I agree. I heard that story before but it might be real or not. It doesn't matter to me.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I honestly don't care about orpah anymore. i'm just here for MJ.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Oprah gets on my nerves now;however, I do not agree with this nor do I think it is good to make claims that is unfounded despite her doing this to MJ. That make us look just as bad.

Exactly. i don't care about her anymore. i'm just here for MJ.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

The British media and tabloids need to have a seat. Right now, the british media is not looking good on how they are treated Megan and Harry and trying to put all blame on Megan. Their bigotry is so apparent. Look even how they did MJ with the name calling. Always want to disrespect people of color/blacks.

Agree! some of media there are racist. even my mother agrees with the thing with Harry and Megan. off topic but they doing it because she half black. everybody knew when she marry him it was gonna be a lot mess afterwards. boy we wasn't lying. it's sad it's 2020 and new freaking decade and stuff like this still exist. if they do move i wish them the best and better life.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

LOL LOL LOL LOL :rollin: :hysterical:

Latest news on awards for 'Leaving Neverland':

The 'Broadcast Awards' (presented on 5th Feb 2020, have nominated LN for the following award...no, not best doc, or best specialist factual, or best post-production, not best original programme, not best popular factual programme, nope it missed out on all those nominations, in favour of...(drumroll)....

....

....

Timeline TV Moment of the Year
(Sponsored by Timeline TV)
for:

Abuse victim James Safechuck reveals the ‘engagement ring’ Michael Jackson bought him for a mock wedding
(Amos Pictures for Channel 4/HBO)

Others in the same category are:
Bros: After the Screaming Stops
The brothers debate the danger of conkers
Fulwell 73 & Lorton Entertainment for BBC Four

Chernobyl
Tense countdown as conscripts have 90 seconds to throw radioactive granite into the reactor’s core
Sister & The Mighty Mint for HBO/Sky Atlantic

Fleabag
Fleabag and the ‘hot priest’ get up close in the confession box
Two Brothers Pictures for BBC Three/Amazon Prime

Line of Duty
DCS Carmichael puts Ted through the wringer about his murky past in a lengthy grilling in the interrogation room
World Productions for BBC One

Lorraine
‘What’s the point of that?’: Lorraine Kelly lashes out at Jennifer Arcuri
ITV Studios for ITV

Love Island
‘I was coming back to tell you that I love you’: Amy’s heartbreak as Curtis confesses his feelings for Jourdan
ITV Studios & Motion Content Group for ITV2


https://broadcastawards.co.uk/shortlist-2020/

(I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the Estate legal offices right now. I'm betting they won't know whether to laugh or scream!)

The awards will be held at a very posh hotel in central London (Grosvenor House Hotel), and are sponsored among others by Barclay's Bank, BT and Canon. ''The Broadcast Awards are the most hotly anticipated event in the television industry calendar. Celebrating the very best in British programming and channels. The awards recognise and reward the UK’s most ground-breaking content, creators and channels.''

Oh my goodness is this real?

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember when they tried to say....&#128514;&#128514;...that Michael Jackson...&#128514;&#128514;&#128514;....was cancelled? &#128514;&#128514;&#128514; <a href="https://t.co/22UxcuuL1Q">https://t.co/22UxcuuL1Q</a></p>— Pez Jax (@Pezjax) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1217495921375809536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. Januar 2020</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

that's great news. congrats Michael.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Because she panders to the white men at the top. She does their bidding. Look how she protects harvey amongst others and is so quick to attack the people they want attacked. She needs an oscar for the best uncle tom.

I agree with everything you said but look up the definition uncle tom. actually means a good thing to call not a bad thing.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

WHY did she become so big and so important? I dont get it. I hope more and more people see her real face. She abused her power and is now questioned from many sides for it. But I am wondering if any similar powerful person will ever talk publicly about her misbehavior.

A lot people has talked about her. everybody knows she's not good.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

LaToya was never sexually abused by that monster Jack Gordon, she was brutally abused by him violently.

Thank you for clearly that up for me. i still feel sorry for her but she was still wrong for what she did.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Abuse comes in different forms and Joseph abused all of them by beating them for stupid things.

Ture a lot people tend to forget that.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

You know Joe also made them go to stirp clubs and preform. it's so sad he did that to them. so young. like Michael said he was an "adult" before he was a "kid". i'm so sorry for his trauma. joe should of went to jail. i know we probably would never got the Jackson 5 but that still doesn't give him the right to treat his family this way. Michael forgave him but still.

 

[analogue]

LOL LOL LOL LOL :rollin: :hysterical:

Latest news on awards for 'Leaving Neverland':

The 'Broadcast Awards' (presented on 5th Feb 2020, have nominated LN for the following award...no, not best doc, or best specialist factual, or best post-production, not best original programme, not best popular factual programme, nope it missed out on all those nominations, in favour of...(drumroll)....

....

....

Timeline TV Moment of the Year
(Sponsored by Timeline TV)
for:

Abuse victim James Safechuck reveals the &#8216;engagement ring&#8217; Michael Jackson bought him for a mock wedding
(Amos Pictures for Channel 4/HBO)

Others in the same category are:
Bros: After the Screaming Stops
The brothers debate the danger of conkers
Fulwell 73 & Lorton Entertainment for BBC Four

Chernobyl
Tense countdown as conscripts have 90 seconds to throw radioactive granite into the reactor&#8217;s core
Sister & The Mighty Mint for HBO/Sky Atlantic

Fleabag
Fleabag and the &#8216;hot priest&#8217; get up close in the confession box
Two Brothers Pictures for BBC Three/Amazon Prime

Line of Duty
DCS Carmichael puts Ted through the wringer about his murky past in a lengthy grilling in the interrogation room
World Productions for BBC One

Lorraine
&#8216;What&#8217;s the point of that?&#8217;: Lorraine Kelly lashes out at Jennifer Arcuri
ITV Studios for ITV

Love Island
&#8216;I was coming back to tell you that I love you&#8217;: Amy&#8217;s heartbreak as Curtis confesses his feelings for Jourdan
ITV Studios & Motion Content Group for ITV2


https://broadcastawards.co.uk/shortlist-2020/

(I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the Estate legal offices right now. I'm betting they won't know whether to laugh or scream!)

The awards will be held at a very posh hotel in central London (Grosvenor House Hotel), and are sponsored among others by Barclay's Bank, BT and Canon. ''The Broadcast Awards are the most hotly anticipated event in the television industry calendar. Celebrating the very best in British programming and channels. The awards recognise and reward the UK&#8217;s most ground-breaking content, creators and channels.''

I hate how they wrote ''Abuse victim'' and not ''Alleged abuse victim'' - What they're saying here that it's a fact Safechuck was abused. It's small things like this that help the media brainwash the general public into thinking Michael is guilty and it's disgusting

 

[myosotis]

Aaand another award nomination from the brainwashed media:
(No prizes for guessing who one of the sponsors of the Guild is - yup HBO)

2020 Producers Guild Awards, presented 18 Jan 2020

Nominated for The Award for Outstanding Producer of Non-Fiction Television

? 30 for 30 (Season 10)

? Producers: Libby Geist, Connor Schell, John Dahl, Rob King, Erin Leyden, Gentry Kirby, Deidre Fenton, Marquis Daisy, Jenna Anthony, Adam Neuhaus

? 60 Minutes (Season 51, Season 52)

? Producer: Bill Owens

? Leaving Neverland

? Producer: Dan Reed

? Queer Eye (Season 3, Season 4)

? Producers: David Collins, Michael Williams, Rob Eric, Jennifer Lane, Jordana Hochman, Rachelle Mendez, Mark Bracero

? Surviving R. Kelly (Season 1)

? Producers: Joel Karsberg, dream hampton, Jesse Daniels, Tamra Simmons, Brie Miranda Bryant, Jessica Everleth, Mary Bissell, Maria Pepin, Charlotte Glover, Allison Brandin, Laura Hoeppner

https://www.producersguild.org/news...evision-Programs-Categories---2020-Awards.htm

Held in January, the Producers Guild Awards is a must-attend event for the industry, and represents a unique chance for PGA members to extend their network, support their Guild, and pay tribute to the best of their profession. The 31st Annual Producers Guild Awards will be held at The Hollywood Palladium hotel in Los Angeles.

https://www.producersguild.org/page/pga_awards

Sponsors:
https://www.producersguild.org/page/sponsors

 

[myosotis]

&#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217;: Will Michael Jackson doc win at PGA Awards after its success at last year&#8217;s Emmys?

HBO&#8217;s controversial Michael Jackson documentary &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; has continued its awards run with a nomination from the Producers Guild of America in the Best Non-Fiction Television category. This comes on the heels of Dan Reed&#8216;s film winning Best Documentary or Non-Fiction Special at the Emmy Awards in September. (Watch our interview with Reed.) This begs the question, can the film keep up its winning streak at the PGA Awards?

While the acclaim and ratings alone seem to give the program a great shot at prevailing at PGA, there&#8217;s another interesting connection that bodes well in its favor. That would be the correlation between this category at PGA and the documentary/non-fiction categories at the Emmys. The winner of Non-Fiction Television at PGA for almost every year since 2002 has won or been nominated for one of the non-fiction series awards at the previous year&#8217;s Emmys.

..........One last thing to consider for how this might fare at PGA is how the other nominees in the category did at the Emmys. &#8220;Queer Eye&#8221; scored a win in the Structured Reality Program category. &#8220;30 for 30&#8221; received a nomination for Documentary or Non-Fiction Series but lost to &#8220;Our Planet.&#8221; &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly,&#8221; also about the sexual crimes of a musical superstar, was nominated for Informational Series or Special but lost to &#8220;Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown.&#8221; At this year&#8217;s News and Documentary Emmys, &#8220;60 Minutes&#8221; walked away with four awards including the honors for Featured Story in a News Magazine and Story in a News Magazine.

https://www.goldderby.com/article/2...michael-jackson-documentary-pga-awards-emmys/

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Aaand another award nomination from the brainwashed media:
(No prizes for guessing who one of the sponsors of the Guild is - yup HBO)

2020 Producers Guild Awards, presented 18 Jan 2020

Nominated for The Award for Outstanding Producer of Non-Fiction Television

? 30 for 30 (Season 10)

? Producers: Libby Geist, Connor Schell, John Dahl, Rob King, Erin Leyden, Gentry Kirby, Deidre Fenton, Marquis Daisy, Jenna Anthony, Adam Neuhaus

? 60 Minutes (Season 51, Season 52)

? Producer: Bill Owens

? Leaving Neverland

? Producer: Dan Reed

? Queer Eye (Season 3, Season 4)

? Producers: David Collins, Michael Williams, Rob Eric, Jennifer Lane, Jordana Hochman, Rachelle Mendez, Mark Bracero

? Surviving R. Kelly (Season 1)

? Producers: Joel Karsberg, dream hampton, Jesse Daniels, Tamra Simmons, Brie Miranda Bryant, Jessica Everleth, Mary Bissell, Maria Pepin, Charlotte Glover, Allison Brandin, Laura Hoeppner

https://www.producersguild.org/news...evision-Programs-Categories---2020-Awards.htm

Held in January, the Producers Guild Awards is a must-attend event for the industry, and represents a unique chance for PGA members to extend their network, support their Guild, and pay tribute to the best of their profession. The 31st Annual Producers Guild Awards will be held at The Hollywood Palladium hotel in Los Angeles.

https://www.producersguild.org/page/pga_awards

Sponsors:
https://www.producersguild.org/page/sponsors

This has got to stop. it's getting ridiculous now. i really hope it doesn't win anything.

 

[terrell]

You know Joe also made them go to stirp clubs and preform. it's so sad he did that to them. so young. like Michael said he was an "adult" before he was a "kid". i'm so sorry for his trauma. joe should of went to jail. i know we probably would never got the Jackson 5 but that still doesn't give him the right to treat his family this way. Michael forgave him but still.

That was a different day and age. Back then, kids could go and buy cigers and walk down the street alone.

 

[myosotis]

I agree with everything you said but look up the definition uncle tom. actually means a good thing to call not a bad thing.

Off topic, but it depends which dictionary you are using:

Uncle Tom /&#652;&#331;kl &#712;t&#594;m/

nounOFFENSIVE&#8226;NORTH AMERICAN

a black man considered to be excessively obedient or servile to white people.
a person regarded as betraying their cultural or social allegiance.


The Urban dictionary seems to disagree:

Theatrical productions of Uncle Tom's Cabin played throughout the nadir (post Civil War and Reconstruction); but since the novel's indictment of slavery was no longer congenial to an increasingly white society, rewrites changed Uncle Tom from a martyr who gave his life to protect the people into a sentimental dope who was loyal to kindly masters. In the black community, Uncle Tom eventually came to mean an African American who sells out his people's interests and still does today. In my opinion the phrase "uncle tom" should not be used today by black people because it degrades the status of a man who wasn't in fact a sell out but a hero who's name should be used with reverence not disgrace.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Uncle Tom

 

[elusive moonwalker]

You can guess which definition im going with?

 

[PoP]

Agree! some of media there are racist. even my mother agrees with the thing with Harry and Megan. off topic but they doing it because she half black. everybody knew when she marry him it was gonna be a lot mess afterwards. boy we wasn't lying. it's sad it's 2020 and new freaking decade and stuff like this still exist. if they do move i wish them the best and better life.

Pah. The media even tries to get people to claim Don Cherry's racist, but it's them whom are racist.