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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

elusive moonwalker said:
Hope its not just gonna be a docu full of positive B.S ala fiddes and co. It doesnt help credibility
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From what I've seen it's supposed to be considering both sides of the story, which is a good thing IMO.
Nobody will listen to a puff piece made by only MJ fans/supporters. Look at Chase The Truth, Square One, Lies of Leaving Neverland etc. Almost completely ignored by the media and anybody who wasn't already convinced of Mj's innocence.

To be honest if we want to fully dislodge the notion that the accusations against MJ are credible then we NEED a show to tackle them head on and methodically discredit every one of them.

Most of the public don't actually know the detail of what he's accused of, and they certainly don't know the rebuttal evidence.
Most people just have this "group think" mentality that he's guilty because "everyone knows" and because of "all the evidence" but they couldn't tell you anything about it. This isn't an opinion that they can back up with any fact.
That's why when you completely dismantle Wade and James' claims and somebody is big enough to admit the stories are shaky to say the least, they'll often follow up with a comment that just because those two accusers are liars, just because Arvizo was also clearly lying (leading to MJ's acquittal), and just because Chandler's family tried to extort money from Jackson, it doesn't mean MJ isn't a pedo. In other words they have a feeling he must be a pedo because that's what they've always read in the news and so he just is regardless of facts. It's ludicrous.
 
Im talking about using ppl such as whitfield who arent very credible. Nothing to do with making a dou showing both sides of the story. Using people such as fiddes like in the other docu doesnt help credibility because they are viewed as "postive" liars.
 
MJTruth;4277193 said:
From what I've seen it's supposed to be considering both sides of the story, which is a good thing IMO.
Nobody will listen to a puff piece made by only MJ fans/supporters. Look at Chase The Truth, Square One, Lies of Leaving Neverland etc. Almost completely ignored by the media and anybody who wasn't already convinced of Mj's innocence.

To be honest if we want to fully dislodge the notion that the accusations against MJ are credible then we NEED a show to tackle them head on and methodically discredit every one of them.

Most of the public don't actually know the detail of what he's accused of, and they certainly don't know the rebuttal evidence.
Most people just have this "group think" mentality that he's guilty because "everyone knows" and because of "all the evidence" but they couldn't tell you anything about it. This isn't an opinion that they can back up with any fact.
That's why when you completely dismantle Wade and James' claims and somebody is big enough to admit the stories are shaky to say the least, they'll often follow up with a comment that just because those two accusers are liars, just because Arvizo was also clearly lying (leading to MJ's acquittal), and just because Chandler's family tried to extort money from Jackson, it doesn't mean MJ isn't a pedo. In other words they have a feeling he must be a pedo because that's what they've always read in the news and so he just is regardless of facts. It's ludicrous.
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The accusations HAVE been tackled HEAD ON and METHODICALLY discredited EVERY ONE of them. The media doesn’t give a damn because they WANT and WISH these false allegations to be true. The media, just as the haters , are pedophilic FANTACISTS who want this crap to be true. Just as it turned Dan Reed on to hear those NAMBLA fantasies from the two extortionists-Robson and Safechuck, it also turns on the media and haters. It is their perverted and sick fantasy about Michael.
 
somewhereinthedark;4277215 said:
The accusations HAVE been tackled HEAD ON and METHODICALLY discredited EVERY ONE of them. The media doesn’t give a damn because they WANT and WISH these false allegations to be true. The media, just as the haters , are pedophilic FANTACISTS who want this crap to be true. Just as it turned Dan Reed on to hear those NAMBLA fantasies from the two extortionists-Robson and Safechuck, it also turns on the media and haters. It is their perverted and sick fantasy about Michael.
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You summed it up.
 
MJTruth said:
Nobody will listen to a puff piece made by only MJ fans/supporters. Look at Chase The Truth, Square One, Lies of Leaving Neverland etc. Almost completely ignored by the media and anybody who wasn't already convinced of Mj's innocence.
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SO or LoLN aren't puff pieces (LoLN basically confronted Robson's claim in LN vs in his deposition), so this wasn't the reason the media ignored them. They ignored factual documents as well (construction papers, depositions, and court documents since 93).

A typical puff piece is actually LN - admittedly (biased, one-sided, and withheld information even from that one side), and the media didn't have a problem with that at all.
 
ozemouze said:
SO or LoLN aren't puff pieces (LoLN basically confronted Robson's claim in LN vs in his deposition), so this wasn't the reason the media ignored them. They ignored factual documents as well (construction papers, depositions, and court documents since 93).

A typical puff piece is actually LN - admittedly (biased, one-sided, and withheld information even from that one side), and the media didn't have a problem with that at all.
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The media may not report the lies exposed but they know it and they have seen Lies in Neverland and Square one and all other evidence and just wont admit they were wrong. That is why MJ is still on the radio and not ignored like RKelly. Even Oprah who removed their interview from her page early on. If she truly believe these liars, she would have left these liars up no matter what anyone say; if she cared about what any "say", she would have never did it in the first place but it backfired on her and all the lies are coming out and she is still in PR mode and now trying to deflect from LN and onto Russell Simmons.
 
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A typical puff piece is actually LN - admittedly (biased, one-sided, and withheld information even from that one side), and the media didn't have a problem with that at all.
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So true?
 
this year started as a mess but the mess turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

i am wondering what wade really thinks when he is by himself. what he did was so evil. money makes people to monsters. still shocked that he really went this path. i sincerely hope that he regrets his decision to flip. he wont ever be able to face an interview because of all the lies. only scripted interviews from now on but who does that? not even oprah anymore. but maybe tmz and some lapdogs from Oprah (looking at you, Gayle).

they didnt expect such a backfire from us 10 years after his passing. but we debunked them and there is no way for them to fix their "truth".
 
Glanni said:
this year started as a mess but the mess turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

i am wondering what wade really thinks when he is by himself. what he did was so evil. money makes people to monsters. still shocked that he really went this path. i sincerely hope that he regrets his decision to flip. he wont ever be able to face an interview because of all the lies. only scripted interviews from now on but who does that? not even oprah anymore. but maybe tmz and some lapdogs from Oprah (looking at you, Gayle).

they didnt expect such a backfire from us 10 years after his passing. but we debunked them and there is no way for them to fix their "truth".
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I wish I could be so optimistic. Robsome and Safecheque are still buoyed by support from victim organisations and by their lawyers, who no doubt tell them that they still have an excellent chance of a payday via their appeals.

I wouldn't be surprised (since the print media have been so supportive) if they have written a book (or books) to be released after the trial is over. And then there is the possibility of (watered down) docudramas based on their testimony. And 'guest speaker' slots at events and conferences. These guys (and Reed) are going to milk this story until they have got every penny out of it. I anticipate that Wade's memories will continue to evolve....

Hopefully, the 'Me too' squad will eventually get bored and move on to pastures new.
 
myosotis;4277233 said:
I wish I could be so optimistic. Robsome and Safecheque are still buoyed by support from victim organisations and by their lawyers, who no doubt tell them that they still have an excellent chance of a payday via their appeals.

I wouldn't be surprised (since the print media have been so supportive) if they have written a book (or books) to be released after the trial is over. And then there is the possibility of (watered down) docudramas based on their testimony. And 'guest speaker' slots at events and conferences. These guys (and Reed) are going to milk this story until they have got every penny out of it. I anticipate that Wade's memories will continue to evolve....

Hopefully, the 'Me too' squad will eventually get bored and move on to pastures new.
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Maybe but look at for example Wades ”Groove with Wade” project. He barely seem to have any subscribers at all. Nobody is interested in him as a person and they will never be able to do any interviews then they are asked any kind of critical questions.
 
Glanni said:
this year started as a mess but the mess turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

i am wondering what wade really thinks when he is by himself. what he did was so evil. money makes people to monsters. still shocked that he really went this path. i sincerely hope that he regrets his decision to flip. he wont ever be able to face an interview because of all the lies. only scripted interviews from now on but who does that? not even oprah anymore. but maybe tmz and some lapdogs from Oprah (looking at you, Gayle).

they didnt expect such a backfire from us 10 years after his passing. but we debunked them and there is no way for them to fix their "truth".
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I believe there will be "in" fighting with James/Wade against Dan soon. Dan is using these idiots just like he is using MJ to make $$$$ as well with these lies.
 
myosotis said:
I wish I could be so optimistic. Robsome and Safecheque are still buoyed by support from victim organisations and by their lawyers, who no doubt tell them that they still have an excellent chance of a payday via their appeals.

I wouldn't be surprised (since the print media have been so supportive) if they have written a book (or books) to be released after the trial is over. And then there is the possibility of (watered down) docudramas based on their testimony. And 'guest speaker' slots at events and conferences. These guys (and Reed) are going to milk this story until they have got every penny out of it. I anticipate that Wade's memories will continue to evolve....

Hopefully, the 'Me too' squad will eventually get bored and move on to pastures new.
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You can only beat a dead horse for so long until it will turn on you. Metoo is already getting on people's nerves. Eddie Murphy cracked a joke about it on SNL during "black Jeopardy". funny..
 
ozemouze;4277217 said:
SO or LoLN aren't puff pieces (LoLN basically confronted Robson's claim in LN vs in his deposition), so this wasn't the reason the media ignored them. They ignored factual documents as well (construction papers, depositions, and court documents since 93).

A typical puff piece is actually LN - admittedly (biased, one-sided, and withheld information even from that one side), and the media didn't have a problem with that at all.
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Thank you. There is nothing “puff piece” about Square One and all of the other FACTUAL documentaries about Michael’s complete innocence. LN was the puff piece based 100% on LIES. The media and the haters know this, and don’t care. Fans can’t be naive or bullied into thinking that proMJ documentaries are “puff pieces” and that crap LN is not, just because the BIASED media WANTED that child porn movie to be true. You can bet that 100% of these haters/media fantasize about that perversion in that LN NAMBLA inspired movie. These people don’t give a damn about CSA. Fans can’t allow themselves to fall for haters’ and media’s bull@#$&.
 
terrell;4277241 said:
I believe there will be "in" fighting with James/Wade against Dan soon. Dan is using these idiots just like he is using MJ to make $$$$ as well with these lies.
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I really don’t believe that the two liars/extortionists- Robson and Safechuck will turn against the NAMBLA/ child porn director-Reed. They are ALL in this scam together for $$$$.
 
Glanni said:
this year started as a mess but the mess turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

i am wondering what wade really thinks when he is by himself. what he did was so evil. money makes people to monsters. still shocked that he really went this path. i sincerely hope that he regrets his decision to flip. he wont ever be able to face an interview because of all the lies. only scripted interviews from now on but who does that? not even oprah anymore. but maybe tmz and some lapdogs from Oprah (looking at you, Gayle).

they didnt expect such a backfire from us 10 years after his passing. but we debunked them and there is no way for them to fix their "truth".
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You are 100% correct!!
 
Glanni said:
this year started as a mess but the mess turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

i am wondering what wade really thinks when he is by himself. what he did was so evil. money makes people to monsters. still shocked that he really went this path. i sincerely hope that he regrets his decision to flip. he wont ever be able to face an interview because of all the lies. only scripted interviews from now on but who does that? not even oprah anymore. but maybe tmz and some lapdogs from Oprah (looking at you, Gayle).

they didnt expect such a backfire from us 10 years after his passing. but we debunked them and there is no way for them to fix their "truth".
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LN is pretty much WEAK.
 
This was a trying year, BUT thanks to you guys, we stood our ground! Their attempt to banish Michael Jackson for good failed, big time! Like Karen Faye once said, "Bashirs will come and go, but Michael will live forever." Next time something like this comes up again, and we know it will, we'll be ready to clap back with L-O-V-E!
 
somewhereinthedark;4277245 said:
I really don’t believe that the two liars/extortionists- Robson and Safechuck will turn against the NAMBLA/ child porn director-Reed. They are ALL in this scam together for $$$$.
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Even people who scheme together can turn on each other. look at Jordan and his dad.
 
Paris78 said:
Taj Jackson talks about his documentary and reflects on 2019.

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This was an excellent interview with Taj. Very revealing. Taj is the perfect spokesperson for this project. He is so passionate in his love for Michael and my respect for Taj increases ten fold every day.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Agreed. Hoping there will be a decision by the end of 2020 but who knows.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1210022904252919808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">26. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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JUst to let you all know. Just watched CNN. They had their top 9 2019 media stories. Meetoo movement/docuementaries/people expose. Leaving Neverland NOT ON THE LIST. There was Rekelly, Epstein, and others. NO LEAVING Neverland.
 
terrell said:
JUst to let you all know. Just watched CNN. They had their top 9 2019 media stories. Meetoo movement/docuementaries/people expose. Leaving Neverland NOT ON THE LIST. There was Rekelly, Epstein, and others. NO LEAVING Neverland.
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but no WEINstein again? lol. he still has a lot of power and influence.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will consider this a big middle finger to the LN brigade. <a href="https://t.co/QO1RtJnU0L">https://t.co/QO1RtJnU0L</a></p>&mdash; Justice for The Falsely Accused (@JuliaBerkowitz1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1/status/1210593121140166658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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Glanni said:
but no WEINstein again? lol. he still has a lot of power and influence.
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I agree but the way the media was going on about LN to see it was not mention in NOTHING, say something about CNN see the lies and now backtracking.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a true testament to Dan's research abilities, he was asked about this scene post-LN and if the Thriller jacket and glove were authentic. He insisted they were &quot;the real deal&quot; based on the photographs alone.<br><br>&quot;the photographic evidence suggests those were the real deal, yeah.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/VSlXfYfe7u">https://t.co/VSlXfYfe7u</a> <a href="https://t.co/4ATzUqdmc2">pic.twitter.com/4ATzUqdmc2</a></p>&mdash; TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1210655321686974466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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