Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

ILOVEHISTORY, We fans constantly talk facts when defending michael.. I know we go as far as annoying people with them..

I know fellow mj fans can relate, you start talking to someone that thinks Michael is a child molester.. you go back and forth for a fee minutes, they state the info they've heard, we come back with facts to disprove and then they start name calling and attacking when they run out of "ammo"..

We have the facts, getting through to them takes patience and softness over fact attacking lol.. I try to balance but when it's so obvious with facts it's hard not to lol.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Ah that was it. For a minute I was thinking of the ex maid or bodyguard whom claimed they saw MJ in the shower with the Francia boy. These guys were proven by MJ's team to be liars on the stand. That wasn't the Francia kid?

But as fans, let us please not resort to tabloidish sounding Shit like creepy relationships and how he had a thing for boys. Come the **** on now. Talking about IloveHIStory here. My reaction was like "wtf" when I read that.

She claimed she saw robson. Later admitted on the stand she saw no one. She stole from mj and was fired in the early 90's sold stories. She was sneddon go to. Ie no credibility
 
myosotis;4239083 said:
Essential reading .. By Talun Zeitoun

I was a boy in Michael Jackson’s life, and nothing of what he’s being accused of in this documentary happened

I wanted to write and post this before Leaving Neverland premiered at Sundance last Friday. After all, I had a close relationship with Michael Jackson growing up and nothing of what he continues to be accused of has ever happened to me. I decided to wait because I was curious to see if the film would get any wings considering Wade Robson’s volatile and unsuccessful claims against Michael Jackson in the past. Sure, let him tell his story again. Truth and justice will prevail as they have. Soon after it premiered, I quickly Googled “leaving neverland” to discover news articles stating that the four-hour documentary received a standing ovation. In disbelief, I searched the hashtag on Instagram to see Story footage from the theater and there they were — Wade Robson, James Safechuck and the film’s director Dan Reed — on stage in front of an applauding audience at their feet. I’m not sure if the audience was doing so because they were perceived as survivors making a public appearance, or if the film was actually good in their eyes, or both; but all I could think about was that their strategy, unfortunately, worked.

Raising awareness about child abuse and providing a safe community for others to speak their truth is vital, but using Michael Jackson as a vehicle to do so is simply wrong. In order for any story to be valid, there has to be an element of trust and I do not trust the people associated with this film. Let’s be clear: Michael Jackson showed up. He faced public interviews, he answered difficult-to-stomach questions, he agreed to interrogative documentaries, he withstood a 10-year FBI investigation, and he appeared in an eighteen-month criminal trial until he was acquitted having been found not guilty on all fourteen child molestation and abuse-related accounts. The fact that twelve years of criminal investigations and government legal proceedings can be completely overruled by the media due to a manipulation of the same stories once told before by a select few, especially by those who were initially on the defense, is deeply concerning. Maybe even horrifying.

I haven’t seen the documentary, but it “focuses on two men… who allege they were sexually abused by the pop star Michael Jackson as children” (Wikipedia). Everyone is entitled to his/her/their story and I believe that each story should be told in truth to the best of his/her/their ability, but my issue with Leaving Neverland is the heavy reliance on one side, especially when that one side is comprised of only two people. On top of it all, those two people happen to know each other. So what we have is a product comprised of two acquaintances’ stories who were in Michael’s life as boys that has been glorified in a 236-minute documentary. Remember that the film would mark Robson’s second attempt to tell his story. He told the same, truncated version of his story publicly in 2013 and simultaneously filed suit against the Michael Jackson Estate, which the court later dismissed. This was eight years after he testified twice under oath explicitly stating that Michael did nothing wrong during a criminal trial in which the jury delivered a verdict of not guilty. It’s clear that this film’s intention is to position Michael as a child predator, but I find that the entire Leaving Neverland saga is really, in turn, a predation on a man of power and wealth now almost 10 years dead and thereby defenseless.

I was part of Michael’s life from the day I was born in 1987 until 2001. The last time I was literally close to him was backstage at the Staples Center when his casket wheeled past me. I knew him well because my mother, Janet Zeitoun, his sole hairstylist during the time, knew him even better. One could say that they might as well have been siblings. In fact, my mother was one of the few non-family members invited to the private memorial service at the cemetery hours before the public one in Downtown LA. Michael felt so comfortable with my mother because she made him laugh unlike anyone else, let alone the fact that she’s incredible at her craft. Michael even said in writing that she’s the “Michelangelo of hair.”

From the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, my mother has been around the globe with Michael. She’s been by his side doing his hair on sets, in dressing rooms, backstage at his concerts, at his home, on planes, in hotel rooms, in cars, and yes, even at Neverland. When my mom was pregnant with me in ‘86, Michael told her that she’d be having a boy; and on the day of my birth, Michael sent a limo to our home filled with gifts. And from then on, my single, hard-working mother who wanted to spend as much time with me as she could often brought me to work with her. So I grew up on the sets of Michael’s music videos, I played with my toys on the floor of his dressing rooms, and he sometimes came over to our house to get his hair done. As I got a bit older and could walk on my own two feet, I became the boy responsible for making sure Michael got candy in between some of his concert rehearsal sets. Michael would make everyone stop and patiently wait for me to wobble my way on stage to him. I even remember singing “I Just Can’t Wait to be King” to him in his trailer (so embarrassing!) but he gave me his undivided attention and smiled. I went to Neverland, several times of which Michael was there and he gave us the full tour of his home. I remember my favorite golf cart to get around had a Peter Pan emblem on it. I remember his movie theater concession stand being filled with candy that you could go behind the counter and take to watch whatever movie you wanted. I remember riding the big steam engine train that would take you from one end of the ranch to the other. I remember a big pot-bellied pig named Petunia and that I was could name a newborn deer and rabbit. I chose Cuddie and Thumper, respectively; original, I know, but Michael loved the names.

Unlike Robson or Safechuck, I wasn’t in the public eye with Michael. The only sort of public thing that happened was him publishing a photo of us in the centerfold of his 1995 tour book. Fourteen years later, the caretaker of his children recognized me backstage at the Staples Center during his memorial service and told me that the photograph was one of Michael’s favorites, and at the time in 2009 was still framed on his grand piano in Neverland.

I remember leaving Neverland a happy kid who couldn’t wait to go back. I remember telling my mom that I wanted to have another birthday party there or that I wanted to hang out with Michael again at the ranch. The bulk of my experience with Michael was during the 90s right when the FBI investigation began on account of child molestation allegations. Knowing that this was happening and that these charges were set against him, I don’t think my protective and well-aware mother would’ve allowed me to continue hanging around Michael or head up to Neverland had she not trusted him.

I firmly believe Michael did no wrong. You don’t have to take my word for it, though; know that his truth was proven in a court of law. The stories being presented in Leaving Neverland are incredibly one-sided. This film is merely the Wade Robson & James Safechuck Story because I, too, remember leaving Neverland, as does my mother, and as do many people in his life who’d be glad to have a say in a film so generically titled; now wrongfully entitled to depict Michael’s life and his misunderstood relationship with children. Any credible director of a documentary seeking truth on the matter would do his/her/their due diligence and present the full story from a carefully chosen and meaningful variety of sources. With four hours of film time to spare, I’m sure there could have been room. This is why I’m deeply disappointed in HBO and Channel 4 UK for picking it up with plans to air it later this spring. The networks snagged a falsity and will be responsible for disseminating a poorly researched film based on the highly skewed opinions of a select few that many of its subscribers will conclude as true.

Leaving Neverland is connecting because Robson and Safechuck’s well-acted stories are similar to those of true survivors watching the film. It’s a smart, yet corrupt way to capitalize on an entire community’s vulnerabilities. It’s also connecting because their stories are bolstered with a compelling medium to tell them as well as an accredited establishment like Sundance to premiere it. It’s riding the wave of an important #MeToo and #TimesUp movement, and it poorly validates a shortsighted equation that many people think they already have the answer to: Michael Jackson plus always being around children must equal child molester. The result? A byproduct of lies smeared with a thin layer of credibility intended to enrage the general media and side with self-proclaimed victims. And because the people behind these forms of media have a following (or not), perhaps they’re employed by some “greater” masthead and their information is muffled with journalists who actually the seek truth, the general population slowly becomes convinced, valuing information by ease of access which has really been served to them by algorithms designed to showcase what individuals only want to see. This is where destruction escalates. This is where the snowball gains its mass. This is why I’m stepping in with my story now.

I urge you to make it your undying responsibility to seek truth and acknowledge all sides in your consumption of how Michael is being depicted in this film. The capitalization of circumstance, divisive use of content and manipulation of media — all combined with rising false senses of entitlement — can quickly nullify a verdict and forever challenge truth to favor the other. This is the loophole with our digital ecosystem that actually determines one’s fate and this is the precise mechanism Leaving Neverland is using, especially when money is at stake. It will ultimately destroy his family, defame his legacy and eradicate his artistry. If you think this little loophole won’t take it that far, well, for starters: it’s already killed Michael Jackson.

Michael signed a letter to me on Neverland letterhead once. It read: “from your protective and older brother, Michael Jackson.” Now I find it my turn to protect him by telling my story because I solemnly swear that this kind-hearted, genius-of-a-man is innocent. I probably would have known otherwise.

https://talunzeitoun.com/2019/01/30...KVUOyu4BsQ7L9qsgo-WTjLDxNW-ZtJkEXqhUbi8ZL9k14

Jesus, this was amazing to read. And he's right too, it has indeed already killed the man. Who's to say anything left of him in terms of his art work get destroyed this way?

Pieces like these really should be more out there. Sources similar to Forbes should publish this.

And if anyone was in doubt anything, this perfectly makes it clear how he saw children. He didn't have a "thing" or whatsoever and there was nothing sick about his relationships with them, nothing.
 
Last edited:
Since Jimmy and Wade wouldn't have a case or a documentary without the Chandler's, who started all the shannagins.

Uncle Ray talked to Maureen Orth when Michael was arrested by Tom Sneddon for the Gavin case. Here's what Uncle Ray had to say:

In the end the Chandlers demanded witness protection before they would testify, and it could not be worked out. “Had the D.A. acted quicker, before they got so scared, they would have had them without witness protection,” Ray Chandler tells me. A source close to the prosecution disagrees: “I think we got played by Feldman and the Chandlers. Jordie was always on the fence.”

“Despite the fact he’s got a lot of money,” Ray Chandler says, “he’ll always be ‘the Michael Jackson kid.’ It’s a heavy weight to tote around.” He says Jordie has had to start his life over at least three times. “Whenever he starts with a new social group, someone figures it out, and he can’t stay in the group, because people continue to talk about it: How much money did you get? Did he do it?” Even in Germany, he was accosted by a stranger on the street, yelling, “You’re Jordie Chandler!” Once, he received an e-mail through a brand-new account: “We know who you are.”

“It’s been psychologically devastating for him,” Ray Chandler says. “In the last half of ‘93, he felt himself to be the most vilified man in the world.” He adds, “Michael did break up this family. Michael doesn’t seem to get close to children from solid, two-parent homes.”

According to Ray Chandler, “If Jordie were to testify today, he’d be a real hero for life. He should come out, because this boy is sick, he’s brave, and he needs help. If Michael’s acquitted, people will look back at ‘93 and say that was a hoax, too. Then Jordie and Evan will be in a much worse position than now.”

“If Jordie thinks it’s going to end with this one, he has to see nothing ends with this one,” Ray Chandler says. “Jordie’s testimony would be the nail in Michael Jackson’s coffin.”


I suppose Jimmy and Wade convinced Dan Reed not to share the limelight. Uncle Ray enjoys the limelight, as one can see in his interview with Maureen. Notoriety must be a high for those who can't get attention any other way. Uncle Ray wants us to sympathize with his brother, Evan and Uncle Ray's nephew. I just don't believe a word Uncle Ray has to say. And that is all there is...words. "So, too, the tongue is a little member and yet makes great brags. Look! How little a fire it takes to set so great a woodland on fire. Well, the tongue is a fire. James 3: 5, 6. Maureen and Uncle Ray were trying to do that with this article in Vanity magazine.

Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96IostqAdy8
 
innuendo141;4239063 said:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_...ngmodushpmg00000004&__twitter_impression=true

Reed claims he spoke to a third, who did not want to be named, yet goes on to say that he wants to let the film speak for itself.

Did you speak to others whose names you cannot name?
I did speak to one other, yeah.


And that person recognizes that it was abuse?
Yeah.


But does not want to speak publicly about it.
Yes, didn’t want to go on camera.

Dan Reed on Huffington Post.
----

OK. Let's asume he's not lying here. Who would that third person be?

Jonathan Spence? The woman who briefly was also part of Robson & Safechuck's lawsuit but shortly dissapeared?

I'm getting nervous about Jonathan Spence 'missing persona' as I was nervous about Safechuck since 2005 trial.

What do you think?
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Jane doe who was on board for two mins .or francia. Spence got married at neverland defended mj etc but then again what does that mean nowadays.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

JSpence got married at neverland defended mj, etc.

I just want to know everything in my power to defend MJ. Especially from his more public kids-friends.

I know Emmanuel always defended Michael, so did Kellie Parker, Alfonso Ribeiro, etc... But Jonathan is more of an enigma to me; since he seemed dissapeared, as Safechuck was all these years. That's why I'm afraid they may some other nasty surprise on us. I know I'm being paranoid, but who knows. Who would have thought this could've happened.

The 'Jane Doe' allegations are absolutely laughable (not even MJ haters believe that) as they break their whole narrative and MJ "profile" they want to portray. So I'm not "worried" about her.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Spence filed against depositions by robson & safechuck

I thon its jason franca. Reed never speaker about him in his interview
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I have doubts that they really have third accuser.
I think its absolut fakenews we schouldn't take serious after we know what absolut anbeliveble garbage is told in this documentery!!
Their lies knows simply absolutly no limits!
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I thon its jason franca. Reed never speaker about him in his interview

That would be a relief. He's as laughable as the jury thought he was.

By the way, since some of you are talking about Blanca Francia, guess who fed her stories...

gutierrez-and-blanca-francia-photo-from-vgs-book.jpg


I'm absolutely sure the whole ORIGIN of all MJ allegations started with this pervert son of a bitch.
 
AliCat;4239097 said:
Since Jimmy and Wade wouldn't have a case or a documentary without the Chandler's, who started all the shannagins.

Uncle Ray talked to Maureen Orth when Michael was arrested by Tom Sneddon for the Gavin case. Here's what Uncle Ray had to say:

In the end the Chandlers demanded witness protection before they would testify, and it could not be worked out. “Had the D.A. acted quicker, before they got so scared, they would have had them without witness protection,” Ray Chandler tells me. A source close to the prosecution disagrees: “I think we got played by Feldman and the Chandlers. Jordie was always on the fence.”

“Despite the fact he’s got a lot of money,” Ray Chandler says, “he’ll always be ‘the Michael Jackson kid.’ It’s a heavy weight to tote around.” He says Jordie has had to start his life over at least three times. “Whenever he starts with a new social group, someone figures it out, and he can’t stay in the group, because people continue to talk about it: How much money did you get? Did he do it?” Even in Germany, he was accosted by a stranger on the street, yelling, “You’re Jordie Chandler!” Once, he received an e-mail through a brand-new account: “We know who you are.”

“It’s been psychologically devastating for him,” Ray Chandler says. “In the last half of ‘93, he felt himself to be the most vilified man in the world.” He adds, “Michael did break up this family. Michael doesn’t seem to get close to children from solid, two-parent homes.”

According to Ray Chandler, “If Jordie were to testify today, he’d be a real hero for life. He should come out, because this boy is sick, he’s brave, and he needs help. If Michael’s acquitted, people will look back at ‘93 and say that was a hoax, too. Then Jordie and Evan will be in a much worse position than now.”

“If Jordie thinks it’s going to end with this one, he has to see nothing ends with this one,” Ray Chandler says. “Jordie’s testimony would be the nail in Michael Jackson’s coffin.”


I suppose Jimmy and Wade convinced Dan Reed not to share the limelight. Uncle Ray enjoys the limelight, as one can see in his interview with Maureen. Notoriety must be a high for those who can't get attention any other way. Uncle Ray wants us to sympathize with his brother, Evan and Uncle Ray's nephew. I just don't believe a word Uncle Ray has to say. And that is all there is...words. "So, too, the tongue is a little member and yet makes great brags. Look! How little a fire it takes to set so great a woodland on fire. Well, the tongue is a fire. James 3: 5, 6. Maureen and Uncle Ray were trying to do that with this article in Vanity magazine.

Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96IostqAdy8

He forgot the legal emancipation there and the Evanstory lawsuit and there were also lawsuits in 2007 I think. Evan was suing Jordan for what seemed to be break of contract of some kind and Jordan was suing Evan and accused him of rather serious assault. Kind of like what the stepfather accused him of around 1993. It should all be in the archive somewhere.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

The "EVANstory" lawsuit by itself just ruins any credibility the Chandlers may had left. It's absolutely INSANE.

Everytime I slap in the face any MJ hater o doubter with that lawsuit, they just don't know what to say.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Spence filed against depositions by robson & safechuck

I thon its jason franca. Reed never speaker about him in his interview

The kid Elusive just talked about? Whom the jury laughed at because they didn't believe a word he said?

I'm gonna do some research on him after I finish eating these fries. I want to know exactly what that dude was about. VindicateMJ should be a good place.
 
VaNiL;4239107 said:
The "EVANstory" lawsuit by itself just ruins any credibility the Chandlers may had left. It's absolutely INSANE.

Everytime I slap in the face any MJ hater o doubter with that lawsuit, they just don't know what to say.

Yes, and that is exactly why I think the media don’t report it because I find it hard to beleive that they really don’t know about it.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Regarding a third accuser, there could be one.. they may be simply.going into his history to see what they could cover up or see if there is anything public enough to easily dismiss.

Remember this, IF someone else joins in this- it will be someone we know very little about.. reason? Because the Korean we know the easier we can call put the BS, and theyll just say we have not heard of this person much Because he was so traumatized.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I have doubts that they really have third accuser.
I think its absolut fakenews we schouldn't take serious after we know what absolut anbeliveble garbage is told in this documentery!!
Their lies knows simply absolutly no limits!

I agree. The man who claims he did enough research (don't make me laugh) came with this incredibly one sided doc about two guys that aren't exactly trustworthy (to put it mildly) and he claims there's a third one. Find it extremely hard to believe.

If it's Francia, then all I can say is.... how? How is that dude still claiming something happened? And let's say it's a new accuser, then the question is... why didn't he come forward with it years ago?
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

And let's say it's a new accuser, then the question is... why didn't he come forward with it years ago?

They sure would say he/she realized it was abuse and not a consent relationship (*vomits in mouth*) or that he was scared to testify before/threatened by MJ.

This whole mess is nonsense. I just hope someone with a voice in the media says STOP, things doesn't add graphic as they may be. Don't show some jewelry you say MJ bought you, bitch. You should have spoken in court or go to the police and not be fishing for a book deal and a 1.5BILLION lawsuit.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I agree. The man who claims he did enough research (don't make me laugh) came with this incredibly one sided doc about two guys that aren't exactly trustworthy (to put it mildly) and he claims there's a third one. Find it extremely hard to believe.

If it's Francia, then all I can say is.... how? How is that dude still claiming something happened? And let's say it's a new accuser, then the question is... why didn't he come forward with it years ago?
We should try to see trough it.
We have no proof that Wade and James get money from this "movie"
But we know that Dan Reed and his team definitly gets money for it and they do everything to make so much money out of it they can.
They must pay the production costs for example!
So we must see Dan Reed as a buissnesman who wants to make a career in hollywood and does everthing to sell his product as best as he can and be sucessful with it!
He is a ego cold man like Even C. , Tom S. and Martin B. who don't care about anyone especially not MJs family or his children!
 
Last edited:
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

We should try to see trough it.
We have no proof that Wade and James get money from this "movie"
But we know that Dan Reed and his team definitly gets money for it and they do everything to make so much money out of it they can.
They must pay the production costs for example!
So we must see Dan Reed as a buissnesman who wants to make a career in hollywood and does everthing to sell his product as best as he can!
He is a ego cold man like Tom S. and Martin B. who don't care about anyone especially not MJs family or his children!

Roger Friedman spoke of a charity fun by Robson and its untraceable. I definitely find that a little shady, to put it mildly. But you're right, we have no real proof.

Something else, I'm now reading on VindicateMJ about Jason Francia. I've read up to the part about the testimony and what follows is a shit load of text that I can't read right now. I just have one question, why did MJ settle it out of court? He should have fought that family, just like Arvizo. If someone can write a brief summary here I'd appreciate that. Or tell me where I can find it on VindicateMJ and I'll look it up myself. :)
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Please MODS ban all the trolls from this board. We don't need them here, especially now! Gaz please react and clean your site from trolls and haters. JCO8 posts made me sick!
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Rent-A-Wreck Files for Bankruptcy

Rent-A-Wreck , the company founded in Los Angeles in 1968, with the motto Don't Let The Name Fool You! has filed for bankruptcy. Rent-A-Wreck began as a pioneering concept: renting used cars for less at neighborhood locations. Airport based car rental was typical in the 1960s, and most renters were business travelers or vacationers renting while out of town. Media coverage, notably in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Mike Wallace show, sparked national interest in Rent-A-Wreck, and by 1973, the company had sold its first franchise.

Rent-A-Wreck of America Inc. has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in Delaware, saying lengthy and costly litigation with the company's founder had strained its liquidity and forced it into restructuring as operational losses mounted. Gregg Steinbarth, Rent-A-Wreck director and general counsel, said that the company began experiencing serious issues following its 2006 acquisition by JJF Management Services Inc. that included lawsuits brought by the company's founder David Schwartz. Rent-A-Wreck has spent $2.7 million in legal fees and expenses defending the Schwartz litigation over the past 10 years.

Schwartz founded Rent-A-Wreck as an alternative to expensive car rental agencies by offering used cars to consumers for their rental needs. The company went public in 1985 and was acquired by JJF in 2006. There are currently 76 Rent-A-Wreck franchises in 28 states and on the island of St. Maarten. A master franchisee in Oslo, Norway, administers sub-franchises in Iceland, Norway, and Sweden.

The company came to court with a plan to right-size its franchise network by eliminating underperforming and non-performing franchise locations. It is hoped that the restructuring will allow the debtor to put more focus on its healthy franchises and bolster the inherent value in the Rent-A-Wreck name, as well as position the remaining locations for success after emerging from bankruptcy administration. It is expected to be business as usual for the time being at existing Rent-A-Wreck franchise locations.

Here's 72-year old Rent-A-Wreck founder Dave Schwartz in the boxing ring in 2008.
The company is trying to avoid being knocked out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=202&v=FxM03y_sNXo

https://www.autoslash.com/blog-and-tips/posts/rent-a-wreck-files-for-bankruptcy

So Mr. Schwartz has a history himself. Mr. Schwartz is/was the Step-Dad of Jordy and then husband of June Chandler, Mom of Jordy Chandler and ex-wife of Mr. Schwartz. I can see why Michael Jackson didn't have a problem with Jordy and his extended family at the time, in 1993. Jordy's family or at least Mr. Schwartz is more of an upper middle class family, hard working. June says she didn't trust Mr. Schwartz, or that is what she told Michael Jackson. Maybe this is why Evan Chandler didn't feel the need to pay his child support?!
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Little question, are we stating all these facts here to each other to remind ourselves he was innocent or are we collecting this info to present to someone?

If so we should organize it somehow As a 'go-to' doc
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Roger Friedman spoke of a charity fun by Robson and its untraceable. I definitely find that a little shady, to put it mildly. But you're right, we have no real proof.

Something else, I'm now reading on VindicateMJ about Jason Francia. I've read up to the part about the testimony and what follows is a shit load of text that I can't read right now. I just have one question, why did MJ settle it out of court? He should have fought that family, just like Arvizo. If someone can write a brief summary here I'd appreciate that. Or tell me where I can find it on VindicateMJ and I'll look it up myself. :)

It was said alot of presure was put on him by sony as it was right before history was about to be released.there were no threats of police etc just threats of we will go to the tabloids.his mother blanca was already a known crook who had stolen from mj
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

i think it's jason francia

Or likely also one of the Arvizo's.

A friend of mine contacted Spence's mother in 2012 and she only had positive things to share about Michael. Defended him to the core, couldn't understand all the stories. They also didn't stay in his room much at Neverland I don't think. Spence got married there, which sort of contradicts this idea MJ was against these men having relationships with women.

They also heavily challenged Wade and Safechuck in court and refused to have anything to do with the allegations.

So yeah, it's most likely Francia/Arvizo who didn't want to be on camera because they're not like these two new guys who want to go through some attention/fame, they know they'll get ripped to pieces again.

We actually know most of the kids MJ hung out with so there's really no great mysteries. Because Victor Gutierrez focused heavily on Brett Barnes, Safechuck, Chandler, Robson, Culkin, those are the ones who the media obsessed with because he helped the Neverland 5 create stories to co-ordinate together to claim about what and who they'd seen. It's why it's always been those same kids and for example nobody claims they've seen Omer Bhatti abused or one of the Cascios or Emmanuel Lewis or anyone. It's those same kids because those were the kids Victor was obsessed with.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Little question, are we stating all these facts here to each other to remind ourselves he was innocent or are we collecting this info to present to someone?

If so we should organize it somehow As a 'go-to' doc

There is another thread about collecting facts to debunk R&S allegation.

Some of these comments are just refreshers. Though I am a bit concerned about some comments where they seem to be questioning MJ.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The truth doesn’t sell. Salacious lies do. We both saw this type of biased journalism during the trial as well. <a href="https://t.co/Z1v82QtFwX">https://t.co/Z1v82QtFwX</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1090673036880035841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Amazing how you have seen it but they won’t let our family see it till it airs. Maybe it’s because they know we will poke holes all through it. Having known Wade for nearly 20 years, he is laughing at all of this, thinking he is getting away with murder. But he won’t. Count on it <a href="https://t.co/M9hHqM98KO">https://t.co/M9hHqM98KO</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1090617949319122944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was a boy in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a>'s life, and nothing of what he is being accused of in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> happened. Here's my story. <a href="https://t.co/Ze61G4fP09">https://t.co/Ze61G4fP09</a></p>&mdash; Talun Zeitoun (@talunzeitoun) <a href="https://twitter.com/talunzeitoun/status/1090619148038819841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2005 trial. What Wade Robson said, under oath, at risk of perjury. Defence attny Mesereau: &quot;Has Mr Jackson ever molested you?&quot; WR: &quot;Absolutely not. I can tell you right now that if he had, I wouldn't be here right now.&quot; His words. His truth. When it mattered. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a></p>&mdash; Jermaine Jackson (@jermjackson5) <a href="https://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/1090695819232129025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Message from the Estate of Michael Jackson: <a href="https://t.co/sZbnyfWoul">pic.twitter.com/sZbnyfWoul</a></p>&mdash; MJFacts (@MJFacts1) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJFacts1/status/1090701698916589568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Theyll do there best for this not to leak.. but damn I hope it does so we can view it before it airs... that would help any pro mj project alot.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After seeing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a>, I still believe Michael Jackson was innocent. It's disturbing &amp; horrible but basically it's a documentary that doesn't feature any sort of investigation and only consists of descriptive testimonies by someone who once actually defended MJ in court.</p>&mdash; Ellie M. V. (@ArchitectMEV) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArchitectMEV/status/1090653950615998464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jermaine Jackson Defends His Brother Michael <a href="https://t.co/MLCCB77Kv3">https://t.co/MLCCB77Kv3</a></p>&mdash; Duane (@dreederMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/dreederMJ/status/1090646792218296326?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Neverland Boy Stands Up for <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a>: I firmly believe Michael did no wrong...I solemnly swear that this kind-hearted, genius-of-a-man is innocent&quot; <a href="https://t.co/1GWV18z6mr">https://t.co/1GWV18z6mr</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/showbiz411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@showbiz411</a></p>&mdash; Showbiz 411 (@showbiz411) <a href="https://twitter.com/showbiz411/status/1090674756968435712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Back
Top