Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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That sure is strange. He could have done that himself, but why? And if he didn't want the tweet to be visible for some reason he could have deleted it. Odd.

I do hope is because he's been contacted by the State so he could help them doing rebuttal and they asked him to be quiet for now. My own theory.

Or maybe he just got tired of Twitter. But he's been tweeting defending MJ since always. But I found the timing really weird. And given their history, I take everything from the Cascio's with a grain of salt. I ain't trusting anybody.
 
ILoveHIStory;4239057 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking at this does anyone have any doubt Safechuck fabricated his allegations by copying that disgusting pro pedophilia book? who would even think such a thing? Is this what <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/metoo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#metoo</a> now supports? <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBO</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Channel4?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Channel4</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TaranaBurke?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TaranaBurke</a> <a href="https://t.co/ogxuNDafnW">pic.twitter.com/ogxuNDafnW</a></p>&mdash; Hammer (@Hammertonhal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hammertonhal/status/1089950122157453312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. januára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Un-****ing-believeable! These two shits should be thrown behind bars. Especially that Victor guy. All of that are his words, his fantasies, how is that dude still a free man? And Safechuck, he really wants us to believe that while knowing all of this happened and he could have gone against MJ during the trial, but refused? **** off.

Just by reading that, I can't even imagine what else is being claimed in that doc, it's no wonder people are disgusted. And if these people have no other knowledge of MJ and the allegations.... yeah it truly is no wonder they might come to that conclusion.

Goddamn man, this is so, so wrong.
 
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I've got 1000 subscribers on youtube and something like 500,000 lifetime views - good numbers but not amazing by some standards

anyway i'm putting together a video titled 'Was Michael Jackson a Pedophile?' it will detail the Chandler's, Arvizo's and now the Safechuck/Robson cases. easily digestible, short and full of evidence

hopefully another tool to share and get some traction to prove mj innocence

will post link here when done

if there's any worthwhile info to include send it over

That's a good idea, and the title will automatically get people to click on it. I've thought about doing one of these videos myself, but no one would see it, as my channel is tiny. I was going to go for the most click bait title ever - "What Michael Jackson REALLY did," and then just hit them with the facts.
Your channel is bigger, so I say, go for it :)

BTW, I watched Jermaine's interview and Piers Morgan kept saying "why did he pay millions to all those boys if he was innocent? It makes him look suspicious."
I pointed out on Twitter that Michael's financial people paid the settlement without his consent.
 
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BTW, I watched Jermaine's interview and Piers Morgan kept saying "why did he pay millions to all those boys if he was innocent? It makes him look suspicious."
I pointed out on Twitter that Michael's financial people paid the settlement without his consent.

All those boys??? Am I wrong as I thought he only settled on one case. Did Jermaine correct him.

As far as I'm aware the settlement of the civil case didn't prevent Chandler from cooperating on the criminal case. He refused after he received the money. Maybe they should ask why he was more interested in taking money than sending someone he claims had molested him to jail.
 
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That's a good idea, and the title will automatically get people to click on it. I've thought about doing one of these videos myself, but no one would see it, as my channel is tiny. I was going to go for the most click bait title ever - "What Michael Jackson REALLY did," and then just hit them with the facts.
Your channel is bigger, so I say, go for it :)

BTW, I watched Jermaine's interview and Piers Morgan kept saying "why did he pay millions to all those boys if he was innocent? It makes him look suspicious."
I pointed out on Twitter that Michael's financial people paid the settlement without his consent.

The financial settlement = guilty is absolute nonsense. Two grand juries refused to take the case and nowhere did the settlement say it would stop the criminal investigation. It just stops the civil trial where the burden of proof is nonexistent. Chandler refused to testify and defence had many witnesses ready to say Jordan was lying and had said so.
 
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I'm really furious about this documentary. Yesterday I visited family and people seriously questioned the fact that this was real or not, some even had doubts it was fake. Michael was a great musician and human being, which we we never get back and people took advantage of it. I don't want the world to see him as weird or a pedophile, but for what he stood for, and what he did to the world. What can we do, besides facebook/youtube/petitions? When is our documentary coming up guys?
 
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_...ngmodushpmg00000004&__twitter_impression=true


Reed claims he spoke to a third, who did not want to be named, yet goes on to say that he wants to let the film speak for itself.

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He says he researched very thoroughly, I guess the fact that this is a hit piece made him only include stuff that would make MJ look bad.
 
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I must cry by watching the interview with Jermaine.
This is all really so evil and absolutly unfair what is happen now.
It makes me sick!!!
No family of a famous dead superstar should ever endore this!
There should imidiatly instulting laws exist against this!
Saying something under oth and changeing the story years later when you can expect money should not be allowed.
Also acusing a dead defenceless person for a crime shouldn't be allowed eigther cause its absolutly unfair!
Then everyone can come forward and do this now and damage the legacy and achivments af a famous person.
No living superstar should wanted that this one day can happen to him when he is gone!
They should go on barricades now!
 
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All those boys??? Am I wrong as I thought he only settled on one case. Did Jermaine correct him.

As far as I'm aware the settlement of the civil case didn't prevent Chandler from cooperating on the criminal case. He refused after he received the money. Maybe they should ask why he was more interested in taking money than sending someone he claims had molested him to jail.

The financial settlement = guilty is absolute nonsense. Two grand juries refused to take the case and nowhere did the settlement say it would stop the criminal investigation. It just stops the civil trial where the burden of proof is nonexistent. Chandler refused to testify and defence had many witnesses ready to say Jordan was lying and had said so.

MJ settled on 2 cases, Chandler in 1994 but also in 1991 from the known info it was Francia, his case formally had nothing to do with sexual accusations cos Francia has never formally accused MJ of any molestation.

we as the fan community, have to FACE REALITY - MJ had a thing for boys, we can not argue with haters about that, it is the fact, he paid them luxury things, trips, he had a thing for such creepy relationships thats why we now and agaain have to read such filthy stories based on circumstances Michael made, it was HIM.

We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.
 
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The biggest key of proof that this is all bull (without bringing in other allegations) is the fact that these 2 men defend Michael, for wade - multiple times, than accuse Michael separately and lose there cases.. they get together, get the same, lawyer, and hook up with a director that his claim to fame is a pedophilia documentary a few years back - and all of a sudden there stories match up. Much of what was in the film was never brought up in there seperate court case against the Michael jackson estate.


The stories evolve even after there own court cases..

That's evidence of lies
 
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MJ settled on 2 cases, Chandler in 1994 but also in 1991 from the known info it was Francia, his case formally had nothing to do with sexual accusations cos Francia has never formally accused MJ of any molestation.

we as the fan community, have to FACE REALITY - MJ had a thing for boys, we can not argue with haters about that, it is the fact, he paid them luxury things, trips, he had a thing for such creepy relationships thats why we now and agaain have to read such filthy stories based on circumstances Michael made, it was HIM.

We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.

Was it wierd? Was it eccentric? Was it true? If people know they can just safely accuse someone and hope for a settlement for millions because it could damage his career and now legacy and the media will not question them then it is not strange that they do that. He was a really easy target but look at FACTS and they point to that he was innocent. And to debate with haters is imo a waste of time. Focus on more neutral people.
 
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we as the fan community, have to FACE REALITY - MJ had a thing for boys, we can not argue with haters about that, it is the fact, he paid them luxury things, trips, he had a thing for such creepy relationships thats why we now and agaain have to read such filthy stories based on circumstances Michael made, it was HIM.

We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.

Here are some facts:
1. Michael Jackson was a super generous person to almost everyone he met
2. He gave women, girls, everyone, gifts: trips, jewelry, cars etc.
3. Before Michael had children of his own he liked to be around other children, including his own nephews and nieces.
4. The people he cared for most were his own children.

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MJ settled on 2 cases, Chandler in 1994 but also in 1991 from the known info it was Francia, his case formally had nothing to do with sexual accusations cos Francia has never formally accused MJ of any molestation.

we as the fan community, have to FACE REALITY - MJ had a thing for boys , we can not argue with haters about that, it is the fact, he paid them luxury things, trips, he had a thing for such creepy relationships thats why we now and agaain have to read such filthy stories based on circumstances Michael made, it was HIM.

We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.

Wait...what's going on here?
 
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we as the fan community, have to FACE REALITY - MJ had a thing for boys, we can not argue with haters about that, it is the fact, he paid them luxury things, trips, he had a thing for such creepy relationships thats why we now and agaain have to read such filthy stories based on circumstances Michael made, it was HIM.

We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.

Now, that is a very disturbing statement.

IF Michael Jackson molested boys, I agree his relationships with kids were creepy, more than that.

If Michael Jackson as I believe were completely innocent, I do not consider his relationships to be creepy. I would call them "odd" in terms of how most people behave, but if there were nothing sexual going on, I do not think were creepy or wrong.

My personal thought is that Michael Jackson used kids as escapism from life/reality he was not comfortable facing. So he turned to kids, because they did not judge him, and he could just have the fun he never had as a child.

The point I am making however, is that if Michael had a childs heart as an adult and befriended children I do not see that as creepy automaticly just because its not "normal", as you appear to do.

Buying something for a friend is not creepy at all, unless you are buying things to silence them because you have done something wrong to them. I do not think being generous to people in general is wrong or suspicious, you also have consider Michael had the wealth to make people happy by buying things for people.

I would have preferred that Michael would not have put himself in this position, but thats mostly because of how everything ended up with in hindsight!
 
ILoveHIStory;4239068 said:
MJ settled on 2 cases, Chandler in 1994 but also in 1991 from the known info it was Francia, his case formally had nothing to do with sexual accusations cos Francia has never formally accused MJ of any molestation.

we as the fan community, have to FACE REALITY - MJ had a thing for boys, we can not argue with haters about that, it is the fact, he paid them luxury things, trips, he had a thing for such creepy relationships thats why we now and agaain have to read such filthy stories based on circumstances Michael made, it was HIM.

We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.

But was&#8217;t that in the Chandler investigation when he was under pressure from police and originally said nothing happend and then after some more pressure changed the story. I don&#8217;t think there was a settlement in 1991.
 
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MJ settled on 2 cases, Chandler in 1994 but also in 1991 from the known info it was Francia, his case formally had nothing to do with sexual accusations cos Francia has never formally accused MJ of any molestation.

we as the fan community, have to FACE REALITY - MJ had a thing for boys, we can not argue with haters about that, it is the fact, he paid them luxury things, trips, he had a thing for such creepy relationships thats why we now and agaain have to read such filthy stories based on circumstances Michael made, it was HIM.

We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.
I think MJ help people and dealt with who befriended him. Since the allegation, everyone focuses on the boys. ALL of these people families were there. MJ had boys and girls there. MJ had children of all ethnic there but if you listen to the media, he only dealt with white boys. Look at the little black girl in Washington who was mauled by a dog. MJ went there and PAID for her medical bills. Look at the black boy who was killed in Compton by a drive by. MJ PAID for his funeral. I can go on. Why don't everyone focus on those "gifts'. And one story I loved by MJ, when David Ruffin died, it was Michael who gave his family a BLANK CHECK to get what they needed to bury David and help themselves. Why don' people talk more about all of these "gifts".
 
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i think it's jason francia

Well, firstly I would not BANK ON that Reed spoke to a 3rd "victim", as it for sure fits his agenda to say that. Reed reached out to Arvizo and Chandler as well and they were not interested in joining in or making any statement. Of course Reed could have contacted Francia, and if so I have no idea what Reed was told.

But really, this is really getting OUT OF HAND. Reed saying there were sex tapes of Michael and James, but that Michael destroyed them because he panicked. You can just say whatever you want now without any evidence? Its not right.

Its like when Tom Sneddon said after the trial. "We know there are more victims out there, we just could not find them". I mean, that statement from a DA is absolutely horrible. Its slander.

Reed could go out before it airs on TV and say whatever he wants to create attention, the allegations itself are so insane, that Reed can get away with saying anything and people will believe him :-(
 
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I think MJ help people and dealt with who befriended him. Since the allegation, everyone focuses on the boys. ALL of these people families were there. MJ had boys and girls there. MJ had children of all ethnic there but if you listen to the media, he only dealt with white boys. Look at the little black girl in Washington who was mauled by a dog. MJ went there and PAID for her medical bills. Look at the black boy who was killed in Compton by a drive by. MJ PAID for his funeral. I can go on. Why don't everyone focus on those "gifts'. And one story I loved by MJ, when David Ruffin died, it was Michael who gave his family a BLANK CHECK to get what they needed to bury David and help themselves. Why don' people talk more about all of these "gifts".



I am glad that Jermaine has decided to appear on Good Morning Britain and I know he tried his best. I applaud him for that.
I think is emotion was quite powerful and it's evident that he 100% believes his brother was innocent.

I thought it was great that he had actually researched quotes from the 2005 trial, but thought he could have gone further with that.

I wish he was better informed generally and was able to put together a much better argument when put on the spot.

Piers raised the issue of the settlement. Jermaine could have explained the strategic reason for settling, the difference between civil case and criminal case etc. That was a valuable opportunity missed as many people see that as key "proof" that MJ is guilty.

Actually, to be honest, I'm always surprised that celebrities use that settlement against MJ - surely MANY celebrities know full well the difference between civil and criminal cases?! Surely they know full well the reasons one might settle!

I think Jermaine did his best (THANKS Jermaine), but it's just a pity he couldn't have had Taj with him.

Piers is a bully and I thought he conducted himself very well with Jermaine. It's clear that for whatever reason Piers wasn't in a mood to fight JJ over this and for that we shoudl be grateful.


I think Piers would be open to being educated about the reasons for settlement, the R&S lies, contradictions, changing stories, etc.
One thing's for certain if you can get Piers to open his eyes to even half of what's gone on he won't hold back if he decides to provide that information to the wider audience!! He just doesn't give a F!
 
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Safechuck was the hardest for me because he was the quieter one wade is too fame hungry and has slipped up already many times

the more I dug into it the more I realised it was a word for word copy of the pedophile gutierez book that isn't even allowed to be sold in us so says it all the guy still owes mj 2.4m
You will be quieter if u are going along with another liar.
 
Essential reading .. By Talun Zeitoun

I was a boy in Michael Jackson&#8217;s life, and nothing of what he&#8217;s being accused of in this documentary happened

I wanted to write and post this before Leaving Neverland premiered at Sundance last Friday. After all, I had a close relationship with Michael Jackson growing up and nothing of what he continues to be accused of has ever happened to me. I decided to wait because I was curious to see if the film would get any wings considering Wade Robson&#8217;s volatile and unsuccessful claims against Michael Jackson in the past. Sure, let him tell his story again. Truth and justice will prevail as they have. Soon after it premiered, I quickly Googled &#8220;leaving neverland&#8221; to discover news articles stating that the four-hour documentary received a standing ovation. In disbelief, I searched the hashtag on Instagram to see Story footage from the theater and there they were &#8212; Wade Robson, James Safechuck and the film&#8217;s director Dan Reed &#8212; on stage in front of an applauding audience at their feet. I&#8217;m not sure if the audience was doing so because they were perceived as survivors making a public appearance, or if the film was actually good in their eyes, or both; but all I could think about was that their strategy, unfortunately, worked.

Raising awareness about child abuse and providing a safe community for others to speak their truth is vital, but using Michael Jackson as a vehicle to do so is simply wrong. In order for any story to be valid, there has to be an element of trust and I do not trust the people associated with this film. Let&#8217;s be clear: Michael Jackson showed up. He faced public interviews, he answered difficult-to-stomach questions, he agreed to interrogative documentaries, he withstood a 10-year FBI investigation, and he appeared in an eighteen-month criminal trial until he was acquitted having been found not guilty on all fourteen child molestation and abuse-related accounts. The fact that twelve years of criminal investigations and government legal proceedings can be completely overruled by the media due to a manipulation of the same stories once told before by a select few, especially by those who were initially on the defense, is deeply concerning. Maybe even horrifying.

I haven&#8217;t seen the documentary, but it &#8220;focuses on two men&#8230; who allege they were sexually abused by the pop star Michael Jackson as children&#8221; (Wikipedia). Everyone is entitled to his/her/their story and I believe that each story should be told in truth to the best of his/her/their ability, but my issue with Leaving Neverland is the heavy reliance on one side, especially when that one side is comprised of only two people. On top of it all, those two people happen to know each other. So what we have is a product comprised of two acquaintances&#8217; stories who were in Michael&#8217;s life as boys that has been glorified in a 236-minute documentary. Remember that the film would mark Robson&#8217;s second attempt to tell his story. He told the same, truncated version of his story publicly in 2013 and simultaneously filed suit against the Michael Jackson Estate, which the court later dismissed. This was eight years after he testified twice under oath explicitly stating that Michael did nothing wrong during a criminal trial in which the jury delivered a verdict of not guilty. It&#8217;s clear that this film&#8217;s intention is to position Michael as a child predator, but I find that the entire Leaving Neverland saga is really, in turn, a predation on a man of power and wealth now almost 10 years dead and thereby defenseless.

I was part of Michael&#8217;s life from the day I was born in 1987 until 2001. The last time I was literally close to him was backstage at the Staples Center when his casket wheeled past me. I knew him well because my mother, Janet Zeitoun, his sole hairstylist during the time, knew him even better. One could say that they might as well have been siblings. In fact, my mother was one of the few non-family members invited to the private memorial service at the cemetery hours before the public one in Downtown LA. Michael felt so comfortable with my mother because she made him laugh unlike anyone else, let alone the fact that she&#8217;s incredible at her craft. Michael even said in writing that she&#8217;s the &#8220;Michelangelo of hair.&#8221;

From the 80s, 90s and early 2000s, my mother has been around the globe with Michael. She&#8217;s been by his side doing his hair on sets, in dressing rooms, backstage at his concerts, at his home, on planes, in hotel rooms, in cars, and yes, even at Neverland. When my mom was pregnant with me in &#8216;86, Michael told her that she&#8217;d be having a boy; and on the day of my birth, Michael sent a limo to our home filled with gifts. And from then on, my single, hard-working mother who wanted to spend as much time with me as she could often brought me to work with her. So I grew up on the sets of Michael&#8217;s music videos, I played with my toys on the floor of his dressing rooms, and he sometimes came over to our house to get his hair done. As I got a bit older and could walk on my own two feet, I became the boy responsible for making sure Michael got candy in between some of his concert rehearsal sets. Michael would make everyone stop and patiently wait for me to wobble my way on stage to him. I even remember singing &#8220;I Just Can&#8217;t Wait to be King&#8221; to him in his trailer (so embarrassing!) but he gave me his undivided attention and smiled. I went to Neverland, several times of which Michael was there and he gave us the full tour of his home. I remember my favorite golf cart to get around had a Peter Pan emblem on it. I remember his movie theater concession stand being filled with candy that you could go behind the counter and take to watch whatever movie you wanted. I remember riding the big steam engine train that would take you from one end of the ranch to the other. I remember a big pot-bellied pig named Petunia and that I was could name a newborn deer and rabbit. I chose Cuddie and Thumper, respectively; original, I know, but Michael loved the names.

Unlike Robson or Safechuck, I wasn&#8217;t in the public eye with Michael. The only sort of public thing that happened was him publishing a photo of us in the centerfold of his 1995 tour book. Fourteen years later, the caretaker of his children recognized me backstage at the Staples Center during his memorial service and told me that the photograph was one of Michael&#8217;s favorites, and at the time in 2009 was still framed on his grand piano in Neverland.

I remember leaving Neverland a happy kid who couldn&#8217;t wait to go back. I remember telling my mom that I wanted to have another birthday party there or that I wanted to hang out with Michael again at the ranch. The bulk of my experience with Michael was during the 90s right when the FBI investigation began on account of child molestation allegations. Knowing that this was happening and that these charges were set against him, I don&#8217;t think my protective and well-aware mother would&#8217;ve allowed me to continue hanging around Michael or head up to Neverland had she not trusted him.

I firmly believe Michael did no wrong. You don&#8217;t have to take my word for it, though; know that his truth was proven in a court of law. The stories being presented in Leaving Neverland are incredibly one-sided. This film is merely the Wade Robson & James Safechuck Story because I, too, remember leaving Neverland, as does my mother, and as do many people in his life who&#8217;d be glad to have a say in a film so generically titled; now wrongfully entitled to depict Michael&#8217;s life and his misunderstood relationship with children. Any credible director of a documentary seeking truth on the matter would do his/her/their due diligence and present the full story from a carefully chosen and meaningful variety of sources. With four hours of film time to spare, I&#8217;m sure there could have been room. This is why I&#8217;m deeply disappointed in HBO and Channel 4 UK for picking it up with plans to air it later this spring. The networks snagged a falsity and will be responsible for disseminating a poorly researched film based on the highly skewed opinions of a select few that many of its subscribers will conclude as true.

Leaving Neverland is connecting because Robson and Safechuck&#8217;s well-acted stories are similar to those of true survivors watching the film. It&#8217;s a smart, yet corrupt way to capitalize on an entire community&#8217;s vulnerabilities. It&#8217;s also connecting because their stories are bolstered with a compelling medium to tell them as well as an accredited establishment like Sundance to premiere it. It&#8217;s riding the wave of an important #MeToo and #TimesUp movement, and it poorly validates a shortsighted equation that many people think they already have the answer to: Michael Jackson plus always being around children must equal child molester. The result? A byproduct of lies smeared with a thin layer of credibility intended to enrage the general media and side with self-proclaimed victims. And because the people behind these forms of media have a following (or not), perhaps they&#8217;re employed by some &#8220;greater&#8221; masthead and their information is muffled with journalists who actually the seek truth, the general population slowly becomes convinced, valuing information by ease of access which has really been served to them by algorithms designed to showcase what individuals only want to see. This is where destruction escalates. This is where the snowball gains its mass. This is why I&#8217;m stepping in with my story now.

I urge you to make it your undying responsibility to seek truth and acknowledge all sides in your consumption of how Michael is being depicted in this film. The capitalization of circumstance, divisive use of content and manipulation of media &#8212; all combined with rising false senses of entitlement &#8212; can quickly nullify a verdict and forever challenge truth to favor the other. This is the loophole with our digital ecosystem that actually determines one&#8217;s fate and this is the precise mechanism Leaving Neverland is using, especially when money is at stake. It will ultimately destroy his family, defame his legacy and eradicate his artistry. If you think this little loophole won&#8217;t take it that far, well, for starters: it&#8217;s already killed Michael Jackson.

Michael signed a letter to me on Neverland letterhead once. It read: &#8220;from your protective and older brother, Michael Jackson.&#8221; Now I find it my turn to protect him by telling my story because I solemnly swear that this kind-hearted, genius-of-a-man is innocent. I probably would have known otherwise.

https://talunzeitoun.com/2019/01/30...KVUOyu4BsQ7L9qsgo-WTjLDxNW-ZtJkEXqhUbi8ZL9k14
 
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ILovehistory

When you look through the eyes of criticism you'll always see what you're looking for.. the entire premise of Is It Scary is about that.. "I'm gonna be exactly what you want to see"

Yes Michael had alot of young boy friends, let's not ignore that there was young girls as well - Kellie Parker being one. A select handful of these kids stayed close to Michael as adults..

I'd like to mention that Michael befriended child actors/singers of all ages, liza minelli, Liz Taylor, brooke shields, mark lester, shirley temple black, Corey Feldman, mcauley culkin and so on..

It speaks more so to him befriending those who he can relate with over specification to age.. you mix the need of finding people that relate in that way with a childlike personality - you'll find yourself around young children alot.. even of the boys, many of them were going through things (difficult childhood) divorces, unloving fathers and so on..

All what we know of of Michael, these kids had as well.. it's a relatability thing, not a sinister thing..

But again, you want to see nasty, youll see it..

Go to church and look at the priest deep enough he will start looking sinister even if you dont know one thing about him.
 
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We, the fans, have to find a way how to defend this behaviour.... based on facts we know.
I have started a thread now in the Trails and Tribulation Forum-Part where we can collect things for this subject!
 
La74;4239077 said:
But was’t that in the Chandler investigation when he was under pressure from police and originally said nothing happend and then after some more pressure changed the story. I don’t think there was a settlement in 1991.

The settlement was in 94. Blanca threatened the tabs on the near release of history. Jason claimed mj might have accidently touched him during play fighting.nothing else.testifed in the trial he had threapy for ten years becausre of it and claimed he never knew his mother got a settlement.until a week before he testifyed.When he testifyed he was literally laughed at by the jurrors. They were heard during a break. They didnt believe a word he said and said so afterwards

At first francias denied anything and accused sneddon of harrassment. They made complaints against him.
 
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That's a good idea, and the title will automatically get people to click on it. I've thought about doing one of these videos myself, but no one would see it, as my channel is tiny. I was going to go for the most click bait title ever - "What Michael Jackson REALLY did," and then just hit them with the facts.
Your channel is bigger, so I say, go for it :)

BTW, I watched Jermaine's interview and Piers Morgan kept saying "why did he pay millions to all those boys if he was innocent? It makes him look suspicious."
I pointed out on Twitter that Michael's financial people paid the settlement without his consent.

:doh:

That doesn't do us any favours.
There is no evidence that the insurers paid the settlement without MJ's consent! Better to explain the strategic reasons why a settlement was beneficial to MJ!
 
myosotis;4239083 said:
Essential reading .. By Talun Zeitoun

I was a boy in Michael Jackson’s life, and nothing of what he’s being accused of in this documentary happened

This was great. My only concern is this won't get the wider attention it deserves.
 
This Reed guy is having a field day in newspapers all of the world, I find it extremely disturbing he just assumes everything is true without having a single piece of evidence. Every interview he makes, he is basicly burying Michael completely in the most sinister way. Torture.

Q: Do you feel like you have some sense of the totality of Michael’s alleged abuse? There are a couple of other potential survivors mentioned in the film who are not participants and others who still deny that what they experienced is abuse. Obviously, the implication is that we have no idea how many others there could have been.

Reed: Yeah, Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo made legal complaints against Michael, so that’s established. They both still stand by those allegations. There are little boys at the time who, along the years, spent many nights in bed with Michael, and that’s an established fact. Did he molest them? I don’t know. That’s for them to say. We’re not in the business of outing anyone. And if they were molested, they’ll come to terms with that in their own time. But the fact is that Wade and James were replaced in Michael’s affections, sexually or not, by other boys [like Macaulay Culkin and Brett Barnes] who had this outwardly similar type of relationship. I cannot speak to whether there was a sexual dimension or not. They’ve both denied it categorically and vehemently in the media and continue to deny it. Do I think there were many others? Yes, I do. Who were they? I’m not going to name names.

Q: Did you speak to others whose names you cannot name?

Reed: I did speak to one other, yeah.

Q: And that person recognizes that it was abuse?

Reed: Yeah.

Q: But does not want to speak publicly about it.

Reed: Yes, didn’t want to go on camera.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

The settlement was in 94. Blanca threatened the tabs on the near release of history. Jason claimed mj might have accidently touched him during play fighting.nothing else.testifed in the trial he had threapy for ten years becausre of it and claimed he never knew his mother got a settlement.until a week before he testifyed.When he testifyed he was literally laughed at by the jurrors. They were heard during a break. They didnt believe a word he said and said so afterwards

At first francias denied anything and accused sneddon of harrassment. They made complaints against him.

Ah that was it. For a minute I was thinking of the ex maid or bodyguard whom claimed they saw MJ in the shower with the Francia boy. These guys were proven by MJ's team to be liars on the stand. That wasn't the Francia kid?

But as fans, let us please not resort to tabloidish sounding Shit like creepy relationships and how he had a thing for boys. Come the **** on now. Talking about IloveHIStory here. My reaction was like "wtf" when I read that.
 
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