Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[NatureCriminal7896]

"They smiling in your face, all the time they want to take your place, the backstabbers." -The O'Jays

lol. now isn't that the truth.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So while Michael Jackson’s USA mid year streaming #’s are up a whopping 40% totalling 1.1 billion+, Oprah Winfrey’s <a href="https://twitter.com/OWNTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OWNTV</a> ratings are down 30% with the cable network slumped outside the Top 40. <br><br>Congratulations Oprah for confirming what you give out, you get right back. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Karma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Karma</a> <a href="https://t.co/VJgKqc387o">pic.twitter.com/VJgKqc387o</a></p>— Malhotra (@amkwindsor) <a href="https://twitter.com/amkwindsor/status/1156356012770832384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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LOL! serve her right. who the heck watch that channel anyway? i never did. never will.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

It's more special than the other awards.

Really? do you know how special?

 

[wendijane]

I was confused there for a minute, I thought it was Brett Barnes that had changed his story about Michael but its OK it was that Cory idiot, I was panicking there :scream:

no never fear , brett is true blue :wub:


so typical that documentary won but when they all go up in court, and face the big noise... ohh, it will be a different scene you can bet on it.

Ah , not interested in that -HAS BEEN _ NEVER WAS - sheryal crow i never liked her , ever . even when she was on the bad tour with m yapping her mouth off ..whiny old crow ...
Poor michael there were two old crows on that tour :coockoo:
... What a headache .

 

[Alh21]

no never fear , brett is true blue :wub:


so typical that documentary won but when they all go up in court, and face the big noise... ohh, it will be a different scene you can bet on it.

Ah , not interested in that -HAS BEEN _ NEVER WAS - sheryal crow i never liked her , ever . even when she was on the bad tour with m yapping her mouth off ..whiny old crow ...
Poor michael there were two old crows on that tour :coockoo:
... What a headache .

I've never liked her either, can't stand her music, poor Michael my heart bleeds for the stuff he had to go through

 

[wendijane]

I've never liked her either, can't stand her music, poor Michael my heart bleeds for the stuff he had to go through

Yes i feel the Same. its horrendous & relentless..
He was truly mentally strong I truly blame "people" . to why he is not with us anymore. each one of the naysayers (one way or another ) had a part of it.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Whoa! was he just joking or was he just upset with her? what did she do to him? it's like he was joking but i know don't know. wow.

Michael said himself that if his fans knew how he was at work that they would not love him anymore. Michael was no angel and no saint. And I am sure there were times when he said and did hurtful things. He was human after all. It it is quite possible he said this **shrug**.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I understand. but he could of said in a nice harmful way. none us was there so nobody can really say how he said it. true there are days when all get stress out. it's normal. but seriously? greez. love mike and understand he's an "perfection" but there's ways you can be nice without mean. i understand he's human but that don't sound like the mike we all know. he also deal with that same stuff as a child. so if he was that way then i'm starting look at mike differently now. love his music and short films etc. but if that's how he really was then i don't know anymore.... love mike but if he had attitude with people that makes him a selfish brat. if i was working for him and if he didn't like the way i did things and if he said it in nice way i would understand. but if he gonna come up to me having an attitude. then he could do his on darn self. i really hope it was just one his bad days. but if not, i don't know how see mike anymore.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

No hate but this is gonna make mike look bad because if she telling how he treated her. it's okay if he said sorry. but he didn't i don't how to see mike anymore. NO HATE. LOVE HIM. but that's a selfish move.

 

[PoP]

I was confused there for a minute, I thought it was Brett Barnes that had changed his story about Michael but its OK it was that Cory idiot, I was panicking there :scream:

Brett would never backstab Michael. And if you&#8217;re referring to Corey Feldman, yes that&#8217;s true, he&#8217;s not defending Michael anymore, he infuriated me and my gut knew all along that he can&#8217;t be trusted at all and which is why I already put him in my bloated list.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

Michael said himself that if his fans knew how he was at work that they would not love him anymore. Michael was no angel and no saint. And I am sure there were times when he said and did hurtful things. He was human after all. It it is quite possible he said this **shrug**.

NONE of us are saints or angels. We all have human flaws. That’s just reality and not exclusive to Michael. Btw, this man went through things that none of us have ever gone through and still kept his sanity, dignity, humility, and kindness. Honestly, I don’t think I could have done that. I really don’t think anyone else could have done it, either. We are witnessing what he had to endure and this is only the surface. Btw, I have never heard or read the statement of what you claimed Michael supposedly said about himself. When was this?

 

[WildStyle]

I understand. but he could of said in a nice harmful way. none us was there so nobody can really say how he said it. true there are days when all get stress out. it's normal. but seriously? greez. love mike and understand he's an "perfection" but there's ways you can be nice without mean. i understand he's human but that don't sound like the mike we all know. he also deal with that same stuff as a child. so if he was that way then i'm starting look at mike differently now. love his music and short films etc. but if that's how he really was then i don't know anymore.... love mike but if he had attitude with people that makes him a selfish brat. if i was working for him and if he didn't like the way i did things and if he said it in nice way i would understand. but if he gonna come up to me having an attitude. then he could do his on darn self. i really hope it was just one his bad days. but if not, i don't know how see mike anymore.

I'm not sure if you're confused or not, but Michael did not mean soul in a spiritual or human sense. He meant soul in a musical sense. You know like singers that have soul... Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder etc. I see nothing wrong with the comment because it's clear to anybody with ears that Crow is not a soulful singer.

 

[TheChosenOne]

I understand. but he could of said in a nice harmful way. none us was there so nobody can really say how he said it. true there are days when all get stress out. it's normal. but seriously? greez. love mike and understand he's an "perfection" but there's ways you can be nice without mean. i understand he's human but that don't sound like the mike we all know. he also deal with that same stuff as a child. so if he was that way then i'm starting look at mike differently now. love his music and short films etc. but if that's how he really was then i don't know anymore.... love mike but if he had attitude with people that makes him a selfish brat. if i was working for him and if he didn't like the way i did things and if he said it in nice way i would understand. but if he gonna come up to me having an attitude. then he could do his on darn self. i really hope it was just one his bad days. but if not, i don't know how see mike anymore.

Then you are going to have a problem when Ms Presley's book is released. She is going to reveal things about Michael that you are not going to like.

 

[TheChosenOne]

NONE of us are saints or angels. We all have human flaws. That&#8217;s just reality and not exclusive to Michael. Btw, this man went through things that none of us have ever gone through and still kept his sanity, dignity, humility, and kindness. Honestly, I don&#8217;t think I could have done that. I really don&#8217;t think anyone else could have done it, either. We are witnessing what he had to endure and this is only the surface. Btw, I have never heard or read the statement of what you claimed Michael supposedly said about himself. When was this?

This was many years ago on this board. Have no recollection of where or to whom it was said. Sorry.

 

[Alh21]

I understand. but he could of said in a nice harmful way. none us was there so nobody can really say how he said it. true there are days when all get stress out. it's normal. but seriously? greez. love mike and understand he's an "perfection" but there's ways you can be nice without mean. i understand he's human but that don't sound like the mike we all know. he also deal with that same stuff as a child. so if he was that way then i'm starting look at mike differently now. love his music and short films etc. but if that's how he really was then i don't know anymore.... love mike but if he had attitude with people that makes him a selfish brat. if i was working for him and if he didn't like the way i did things and if he said it in nice way i would understand. but if he gonna come up to me having an attitude. then he could do his on darn self. i really hope it was just one his bad days. but if not, i don't know how see mike anymore.

I've gone back over the conversation but I can't find what your are referring to, what did I miss

 

[Alh21]

Then you are going to have a problem when Ms Presley's book is released. She is going to reveal things about Michael that you are not going to like.

Maybe she will but we will never know if its all lies, I'm not going to worry about what she's going to write, like it's been said Michael was human and just like the rest of us

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I'm not sure if you're confused or not, but Michael did not mean soul in a spiritual or human sense. He meant soul in a musical sense. You know like singers that have soul... Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder etc. I see nothing wrong with the comment because it's clear to anybody with ears that Crow is not a soulful singer.

OH! okay. lol! that's understandable. sorry i get confuse and think the opposite. my bad. that understandable he probably was looking for someone with soul in their singing. i don't think that's bad as long he wasn't being hurtful about it. maybe she didn't have the taste he was looking for. i'm pretty sure that didn't mean he hate it her. if she upset about it she needs to move on. she has her own music and songs. even though she wasn't his taste of singing she still got chance to sing with him and even be friends with him. Michael had his fans (still do)and she has her fans. but that don't give her the right to talk nasty about him just because she didn't have enough soul in her singing. once again they were two different people Michael always crashed with people who was way too different from him. and i don't think that's an bad thing. everyone is different and have different taste etc. she just bitter. she needs to focus on her music then worrying about Michael music who has been done with for 10 years if you don't count his unrelease songs. his music still up the charts but i'm pretty sure you get what i mean.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> please listen to <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialSisQo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OfficialSisQo</a> and THANK him for telling the truth about Michael Jackson. This is a man who understands the industry, racism and met MJ personally. <a href="https://t.co/tQ20jFstjE">https://t.co/tQ20jFstjE</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1158450586120908802?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In our latest <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Podcast?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Podcast</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheMJCastEp106?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheMJCastEp106</a> we discuss the LN Emmy’s news, a gorgeous new MJ statue in China, MJ Birthday events around the world + what we think the Estate should do next!<br>&#63743;<a href="https://t.co/R2PnE0Et4I">https://t.co/R2PnE0Et4I</a><br>&#65533;&#65533;<a href="https://t.co/SXoYXT1dBs">https://t.co/SXoYXT1dBs</a><br>&#65533;&#65533;<a href="https://t.co/OaUscBBh7g">https://t.co/OaUscBBh7g</a><br>^Q <a href="https://t.co/wQLJc0umyi">pic.twitter.com/wQLJc0umyi</a></p>&mdash; The MJCast (@TheMJCast) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast/status/1158697370197954560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yvette, Thank you for being so well informed and outspoken while most of “Hollywood” hides&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;. They’re all listening to their agents and publicists rather than their own conscience. Are you just fearlesss and the rest of Hollywood spineless? Either way, I appreciate you <a href="https://twitter.com/YNB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YNB</a> <a href="https://t.co/SFufEcTbms">https://t.co/SFufEcTbms</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1158484885725577221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533; <a href="https://t.co/ViiB1N3fCq">https://t.co/ViiB1N3fCq</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1158512300417933312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks Peter for doubling down and saying evidence points to his innocence. They should stop pressuring people to say false statements <a href="https://t.co/Ed1aq0yqiW">https://t.co/Ed1aq0yqiW</a></p>&mdash; Regina&amp;Roger (@RogerStan123) <a href="https://twitter.com/RogerStan123/status/1158820755229904897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's his legacy &#128071;&#127996; <a href="https://t.co/p4DQm2FP0W">pic.twitter.com/p4DQm2FP0W</a></p>&mdash; Jin (@jin_chohan) <a href="https://twitter.com/jin_chohan/status/1158474415270531073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wade Robson's Michael Jackson allegation timeline disproven by his mother.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LoveMJJAlways?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LoveMJJAlways</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJTruthSquad?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJTruthSquad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJForever?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJForever</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFamUNITE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFamUNITE</a><a href="https://t.co/k8unMyJ1NV">https://t.co/k8unMyJ1NV</a></p>&mdash; LoveMJJAlways (@LoveMJJAlways) <a href="https://twitter.com/LoveMJJAlways/status/1158140847243681792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">OMG <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://t.co/lt9sJ6PbcD">pic.twitter.com/lt9sJ6PbcD</a></p>&mdash; Truth~backup (@never_giveupmj) <a href="https://twitter.com/never_giveupmj/status/1158800291233316865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Should Michael Jackson have the right to protect his reputation? <a href="https://t.co/OJUTOxxUTP">https://t.co/OJUTOxxUTP</a></p>&mdash; paul colebrook (MJcool) (@paulcolebrook14) <a href="https://twitter.com/paulcolebrook14/status/1157739761794256897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. August 2019</a></blockquote>
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[NatureCriminal7896]

If people got upset with Michael just because he didn't pick them is ridiculous. he probably was looking for people who fit somewhat his taste. which he always said. i really don't think that's bad as long he wasn't cruel and selfish about it. what Michael didn't like someone else probably did. i don't think that's bad. we all have different tastes.

 

[terrell]

Wow. All it takes is for Jermaine to tell her that it is not true?

Gimme a break, Ms O'Neal. Stupse.

If she really believed that Michael was a child molester, she should have stood her ground - no matter the 'ugliness' it caused. We stand our ground in defense of his innocence.

I have no respect for this woman.

And see, that is what gets me. This folks flip and u find out they know nothing of the cases against MJ and then look stupid.

 

[terrell]

If people got upset with Michael just because he didn't pick them is ridiculous. he probably was looking for people who fit somewhat his taste. which he always said. i really don't think that's bad as long he wasn't cruel and selfish about it. what Michael didn't like someone else probably did. i don't think that's bad. we all have different tastes.

I agree. Heck the artist Prince was far more blaunt.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I don't know. maybe people take somethings differently. i wouldn't be mad if Michael didn't pick me to do something. i will know that i'm probably not for that part but i will know he doesn't hate me just he didn't pick me. sometimes you really got be careful what you say to people because they may take it the wrong way (*coughs* me for example but not for this problem.)

 

[TheChosenOne]

Ok. So LN and HBO are upping their promotion of this film. There is now a story on Yahoo providing a behind the scenes look at 'acclaimed documentary'.

This is why we cannot relax, cannot be deterred.

 

[travis3000]

Ok. So LN and HBO are upping their promotion of this film. There is now a story on Yahoo providing a behind the scenes look at 'acclaimed documentary'.

This is why we cannot relax, cannot be deterred.

Yes this is not going away and won't until the awards season is over. Then finally we can have a break. This has now been a 6 month event, luckily we are getting closer to the end of the nonsense.

 

[terrell]

Ok. So LN and HBO are upping their promotion of this film. There is now a story on Yahoo providing a behind the scenes look at 'acclaimed documentary'.

This is why we cannot relax, cannot be deterred.

Let them promote, now all the lies can be expose. Let them open that paradox box. it is so obvious what they are doing. Trying to make $$ off MJ's name. These people think folks are stupid. This makes them look worst. who promote such a thing. We know this LIE was done to help Wade/James with their court appeal and to extort money from the Estate. Now they open a topic for it to be even more explored. You will regret it fools.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

We all makes mistakes. no ones perfect. we all have flaws. it's just that what you do with those flaws. there's differences between having flaws and being down right disrespectful. anyway i'm gonna move on from this topic because i probably don't understand.

 

[KOPV]

You guys, there's very little left to do regarding Leaving Neverland.. We debunked it and Taj's doc will bring attention to it. spread the truth, join advocacy campaigns.

most people don't care of what's true, when a person is emotionally invested - it's very hard to get an open ear.. Be objective, communicate with those who are objective. the others on the spectrum, they'll either never change - or it will take a major project to interest them to open up. maybe Taj's project.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

You know if Sheryl really upset that Michael and her wasn't close where the heck was she when Michael was lonely and needed someone to talk to if really wanted to be close to him? worrying about he didn't pick you just because he felt she didn't have soul in her singing is ridiculous that's something she needs to think about it.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I can't believe we been doing this for 6 months. times sure do flies. we'll almost done. once these awards shows and court cases are done. hopefully we can move on with our lives.